MMA Nation Preemption Edition: Washington Post's Dan Steinberg Talks MMA, Dana White and the UFC
Locally (and by that I mean Washington, DC), it's hard to argue there's a sports blogger more influential than Dan Steinberg. In addition to having a wide readership strictly in volume, all of the key sports business players and thought leaders in the city regularly read his Washington Post DC Sports Bog. Admittedly, I didn't realize this until I began working at 106.7 The Fan, but it's all too apparent now.
I met Steinberg at UFC Fight Night 20 and wanted to follow up with him personally to learn more about how someone who sits in two worlds - traditional sports establishment and online sports blogging (although he writes full length articles as well) - views the buregeoning sport of MMA. Some of what he said I expected. Some of it I was surprised to hear. Among other topics, we talked about:
1. How MMA is viewed by the traditional sports media.
2. Why MMA fans should be cautious of being perceived similarly to hockey fans.
3. Impressions of the MMA demographic.
4. How MMA coverage develops within traditional media outlets.
5. His impressions of UFC Fight Night 20 and MMA fighting itself.
And then this one, which keys in on a fact I've probably been harping on far too long:
Luke Thomas: Your impressions of Dana White. Obviously a very successful guy at what he's done. Overall, what kind of sense do you get about him?
Dan Steinberg: Yeah, he's successful and he's smart. He definitely knows how to play the media game, which I appreciate. I don't know the history...I think it's a little bit weird how one man, how much his personality is vital to the sport. I always find it weird when he's actually quoted in stories about upcoming matches just because he has such a vested interest in everything. It just feels like he can't possibly be a neutral observer when he talks about fights that his organization is promoting.
I've always felt a little bit uncomfortable about seeing him quoted so extensively. I would like to see more sort of independent trusted voices. And this is maybe not the best example, but if you're writing these stories about college football games and there's just this whole army of analysts - college football analysts - from whatever television stations, from ESPN who you can quote as somewhat neutral observers. And obviously they have a interest in propping up the games they're covering, too, but not quite like Dana who is so financially invested in it.
But as a guy to talk to he's personable, and he's interesting and he's quotable and he's smart. I've got nothing bad to say about him.
Be sure to note: this is not a criticism of White. It's a critique on the media, MMA-based or otherwise, who seek out answers from a man who, given the nature of his position, can't give you helpful analysis insofar as independence is concerned. If reporters ask White to comment, why shouldn't he? Not his fault and he's smart to take advantage of the opportunity. However, it does illustrate that the current press corps seems either unaware or unconcerned they are asking White for information that almost requires him to answer in a manner in keeping with his deep, deep financial interest.
That highlights something I've been discussing for quite some time. Namely, this notion that White is both "honest" and just a promoter all at once. I've heard that what's refreshing about White is his desire to speak his mind. This generally is issued when he makes a point his fans or fans of his organization like. Conversely, if he makes a patently absurd statement, the same supporters remind us he's merely a promoter and just trying to leverage his answer for maximum benefit. Well, which is it? Is he a candid person who tells the honest truth as he sees it or is he distorting what he actually knows to be true for personal benefit? At some point his honesty and personal benefit will intersect, but that's generally going to be few and far between. White's unique position in the sport makes him an interesting source on all things MMA, but to Steinberg's point, I'd prefer if White were asked less about how he views dubiously valuable cards like UFC 108, where he will use any angle or point to boost it's visibility and marketability.
Anyway, listen to the whole interview. Steinberg's a very bright guy with a lot to offer on the topic of MMA. If you want a look into the mind of someone in powerful traditional media about how MMA is viewed, where it's headed and why, I suspect you'll enjoy his thoughts.
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On a related note; check out Luke Thomas on the Jordan Breen Show last week discussing the importance of opinion leader buy in:
http://www.sherdogvideos.com/breen/jordan_breen_show_ep241_1_21_10.mp3
(Sorry if you get in trouble from the moderators for so much self promotion, Luke.)
by casey manrique on Jan 30, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions
Nah, it's fine
Although I plan to follow up on this interview given the firestorm it caused.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 30, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I didn’t see the fanpost promoting your JBS spot until a few seconds ago. Oh well I guess it’s worth double pimpage.
by casey manrique on Jan 30, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Great Show
One of the best MMA Nations to date. The segment with the Doctor was very imfomative as well. Keep up the great work.
by KING FEDOR on Jan 30, 2010 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree 100%
People get so bent out of shape about Dana’s overwhelming presence in the media when what they should be bitching about is how blogger and trained journalists take everything he says as gospel.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game. You can’t blame Dana for taking advantage of an incredibly lazy and ignorant media contingent. He would be a fool not to. All that hate should be focused on the journalists who are too ignorant, too lazy, or just too plain dumb to realize that Dana has a HUGE incentive to play fast and loose with the truth.
Dana has used his position as an authority on the sport to shape the opinions of a a large percentage of journalists who are new to the sport. Guys like Kevin Iole enter the sport with no idea what he was doing and Dana takes the opportunity to turn them into an extension of the Zuffa PR machine.
Kudo’s to Dana for playing the game like a grand master. Shame on the media for getting played like a chump.
I think most fans are the chump in this case, not necessarily the bloggers. Most bloggers I’d argue can see through White’s BS, but its his fans that will take all he says as gospel. You can see the reaction of Kimbo for instance. Before he was a disgrace to the sport by Dana fans (sorry, don’t know what else to call them), and as soon as he became an UFC fighter he’s suddenly cool by the majority of them. They’ll give excuses such as he’s not going to be the main event etc, but frankly they’re just trying to cover their asses. DW has a huge following, anything he says there are people that will take it as gospel (and will even call a few bloggers “haters” when he’s being correctly criticized).
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Most bloggers I’d argue can see through White’s BS, but its his fans that will take all he says as gospel.
Change that to SOME bloggers and I will agree.
There are still plenty of sites out there that were more than willing to regurgitate Dana’s party line in regards to Kimbo Slice. Of the hundreds of MMA blog sites, only a select few actually called White to the carpet for his flip-flop, and nobody in the MSM called him on it.
Do you mean incidents like this?
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by Zak Woods on Jan 30, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’m a Dana fan, I admit it, but my opinion of Kimbo has nothing to do with anything Dana has said about him. I didn’t care for him much when he was with XC but that had more to do with the shady characters running that promotion who were trying to pawn him off on us as the baddest man on the planet. My opinion changed when ge got away from those snakes, was humble enough to go on TUF instead of just running off to Japan or elsewhere for the easy money, and then showed his personality on the show and we got to see he’s actually a pretty nice and at least halfway intelligent guy. Dana can say whatever he wants about Kimbo, I’m rooting for Kimbo because Kimbo made me change my mind about him.
by ufc4 on Jan 30, 2010 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
So...
because Kimbo’s image was carefully recrafted and marketed by the Zuffa, it’s all good?
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Yes, Zuffa made Kimbo into something he’s not, the way he acted on the show i’m sure is nothing like he is on real life. Very intelligent comment.
by ufc4 on Jan 30, 2010 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, Zuffa is famous for carefully editing the show
to create tension and characters out of it. That’s not new. But he’s still the same guy from Youtube who got into unregulated street fights with his crew filming them. If he was a disgrace to the sport before, now he’s just a disgrace with a great personality.
NOTE: I know you didn’t call him a disgrace, I’m not targeting that at you, it’s a blanket statement regarding the public makeover of Kimbo Slice.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I’ve never met Kimbo. He might be exactly how he appeared on TUF.
But relying on a reality TV show, which is heavily edited in order to shape perceptions, probably isn’t the best way to get an accurate read of a person.
Especially a person who was widely rumored to have received special treatment and a special contract to be on the show.
I never said I wanted the guy to watch my kids, but if he was just some street thug who didn’t care anything about MMA other than it being a means to make money so he could spend it on coke and hookers I think they wouldve had a hard time hiding that. He seems like a genuinely decent guy, I don’t need to spend a month with him to figure that out on my own.
by ufc4 on Jan 30, 2010 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
although I find you a pain sometimes, I never took you as blind follower and I think I may have read a few critiques regarding DW coming from you, so when I say DW fans I don’t mean you, I mean the people that blindly follows him on everything he says (there are a bunch).
The thing about Kimbo on EXC being called the baddest man on the planet was a promoter talk, much like the talk coming from DW saying Fedor is not top 5 HW. We all know promoters’ talk, Kimbo on EXC was no exception. I liked him a lot back then, and I still like him today, he brings eyes to the promotion which to me does more good than bad.
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Promoter talk is one thing, actually having him as your main event on a nationally televised card is another.
by ufc4 on Jan 30, 2010 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So, your entire issue is with his time slot?
A televised fight is a televised fight. The UFC may not have put Kimbo in the premier time slot for his fight with Houston Alexander, but they promoted that fight every bit as heavily as the main event.
Don't feel like looking through his prior posts
but I wonder what his stance on Herschel Walker being on the SF card is. ufc4, care to save us the time?
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I’ve actually come around on Herschel, hes saying all the right things about the sport and looks to be in great shape. If he wants to fight I don’t have a problem with it. But the idea that all televised fights are the same is ridiculous.
by ufc4 on Jan 30, 2010 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sure, you can also argue having him as part of the main card for a UFC PPV is just as bad, I am sure someone on the undercard have more merits to be on the main card than Kimbo, yet it’s going to be Kimbo vs Meathead on the main card of a PPV event. But he’s not going to be on the undercard, and the reason for this is because he’ll definitely help the PPV buys.
Many casual fans of the fight game will want to watch the main event only, having a name like Kimbo as the main event is a no brainer if you ask me.
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The problem with Dana
The reason the media perceives the UFC and DW this way is because he acts so unproffesional. The media hears Roger Goodell or Daniel Stern speak and then they hear Dana. Can you imagine Roger Goodell making one of those silly vlogs that Dana makes or Daniel Stern using the language that Dana uses. Dana seems to think acting like a cross between Don King and Vince McMahon is the way to go. It ain’t working
by KING FEDOR on Jan 30, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I actually think his attitude helps him more than it hurts right now, due to the current size of the sport and the demographic of the sport as well. Moving forward however, I think the UFC will ultimately need a new president because you can’t be that big and have Presidents acting like DW does IMO, which is the reason I personally don’t like him either.
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With the current audience it may work but to expand I think he has to be replaced. Reed Harris would be a perfect person for the job
I kind of want it to be Lorenzo, he’s very charismatic and very professional IMO
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LOL
People have been saying this ever since 2006, but the audience continues to expand.
Having a brash, outspoken pitchman is an absolute necessity for the UFC. They don’t have a network that will devote hours and hours of programming to them like the NFL and NBA have. Until they have achieved that level of success, Dana is a huge asset to the brand.
Until they have achieved that level of success, Dana is a huge asset to the brand.
so you agree that someday he’ll need to be replaced right?
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Absolutely.
If/when the UFC hits maturity as a major mainstream sport, Dana’s brash style will not work. But they aren’t even remotely close to reaching maturity yet.
as soon as they get a TV deal, DW should be gone (and depending on how SF fair in the next couple of years, if they are successful than the UFC will have to make the move to network TV IMO).
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It’s going to take a LOT more than just a TV deal.
They need to get a TV deal that is makes it economically viable to move from a PPV model to a broadcast model, and they are LIGHT YEARS away from that happening.
I don’t think that would be the only reason, if SF takes off on CBS (there is a possibility no matter what people say), the UFC will have to get a TV deal to stay relevant, otherwise SF’s popularity would outgrow the UFC’s and they would slowly become the #2 promotion in America.
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But if SF gets near that popularity, they’d start getting near UFC money, and then the UFC would be able to get a network deal from someone else.
It’s about the money, the UFC could not put on a show on network TV as it stands right now because the fighters will lose way too much money from taking away the PPV buys, forget about Zuffa making money.
this is all hypothetical, but if SF gets popular, than I’d imagine that the money they will get from being on a network will outnumber that what UFC gets with PPV or comes close to it, making it an easy sale for another network to want the UFC.
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Network tv will never pay as much as ppv
The ultimate objective would be to eventually offer a subscription to stream all UFC events to the fans homes. For a fee, of course. Until that day network could be used to expand the fan base and promote future ppvs.
For example: imagine if the UFC (or Strikeforce) alternated every month between a network show and ppv. On network tv they could attract at the most optimisic 15 million viewers. If the sport grew to the point where that was the consistent vieweship then they could sell 30 sec spots for around $240,000. The network would be willing to pay a broadcast fee of $10 million for a two hour broadcast that drew 15 million 18-34 males. Good money.
But if network tv exposure helped to double the fanbase than the average UFC event would sell 1 million buys or $25 million in revenue. Great money.
6 network shows for exposure, expanding the base and promoting ppv cards. 6 ppv – few enough that people wouldn’t have a problem buying every one – to make the serious money. Then throw in your monthly FN and a TUF here and there and we’ve got a lot of mma.
by John Nash on Jan 30, 2010 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I get what you’re saying that the UFC would still opt to continue a few PPVs a year, but they would have to run shows on network TV as well and that’s basically what I’m arguing that it would happen in case SF becomes a hit on network tv.
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The UFC continues to expand, gain more fans and earn more money than any other promotion in the world. They aren’t on network TV nor are they close to getting there because they don’t need to.
Strikeforce is only considered a #2 because of the CBS/Showtime deal. A deal EXC had when they too were considered the next “best”. You cannot just be on TV and magically become the top organization. Look at the WWE/TNA situation. Both are on TV, both run PPV’s. One is far and away the best. Why? It’s not difficult to figure out.
If the UFC ever transfers over to a major network, it will be because they will make more money than their current model. A model that is head and shoulders above what Strikeforce is doing.
I don’t mean SF wil definitely be bigger than the UFC by simply being on network tv, what I mean is that they have the potential. And I wouldn’t compare them to EXC either, I think they are quite different than each other. Listen, UFC is very successful, no one can doubt that, but bigger companies have gone bankrupt. I don’t say this as an assertion that it’s going to happen to the UFC per se, but way too many people think the UFC ship can’t be sunk, I just feel that it could, they’re not unstoppable.
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Why do people keep comparing Dana to guys like Goodell and Stern?
Dana is not some stuffed suit who works in an office doing paperwork. He is not an administrator with a legal degree overseeing a mature sports league that has a major media entity to promote his product. He is a ground up promoter. If he doesn’t promote his product, no one else will. He has more in common with P.T. Barnum and Don King than he does with guys like Goodell and Stern.
Huh?
Goodell is an administrative employee of a decentralized league.
Dana is an owner and promoter of a single entity.
How are their positions the same?
That is a gross over generalization.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 30, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think so. It is pretty much fact. Either Dana is going to act like a cartoon and be lumped in with Don King and Vince McMahon or he is going to act like a proffesional and be lumped in with the heads of the major sports
The structure of those organizations is so different that the comparison is moot.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 30, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
IT comes back to the root of what Luke was saying.
Dana promotes the UFC as a major sports league that will overtake traditional sports. He says that he will have the premier organization in the biggest sport in the world 10 years from now. We know it’s bullshit, but because he said it and so vehemently stands by it, we respond to it as though it were a serious claim.
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-Randall Munroe
It’s a critique on the media, MMA-based or otherwise, who seek out answers from a man who, given the nature of his position, can’t give you helpful analysis insofar as independence is concerned.
Someone should find Roger Goodell and ask him if the Superbowl is diminished when one team reaches the game by a blown call and see how neutral and objective his response is. Better yet, find Bob Arum’s neutral conjecture on Manny Pacquiao’s legacy in the sport of Boxing.
Dana will surely tell you what's on his mind, but that doesn't mean it's the truth.
I think that’s where some people get confused, cause as you pointed out, he’s refreshing when he speaks his mind, but when he says something stupid, he’s just promoting. I believe Dana when he says he’s looking out for the good of MMA, but it’s always been his view of MMA, and what he thinks the sport should be and where it would go. I don’t put it past him to lie under the guise of speaking his mind. It’s all about truthiness.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
The problem is that dana does both. There are times that he is the most honest and candid owner of a sports franchise/team that there is, and there’s times where he’ll put on his carnival barker act, stand in the middle of the three rings and start yelling like a banchee. And the problem is that people can’t separate the two, and use the carnival barker act to discredit when he says things that are true, and then they spend hours dissecting how stupid he is for saying the carnival barker act stuff.
Dana says fedor is irrelevant or that his ppv will beat mayweather’s, people will spend hours debating what he says, when no reasonable person believes them, and then use those statements to discredit him when he says Brock might not fight again or that the ufc has 18 millionaires.
by Phildo on Jan 30, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Wish I read your reply before I posted mine below.
Beat me to essentially the same points, and brought up another great one: It’s hard to separate the truth from the promoting. Brock’s health is a perfect example. Turns out he very well could have died or had his career ended, but the overwhelming reaction was that Dana has hyping a comeback and Brock was probably fine. When we don’t have out own knowledge regarding what he is saying, it’s hard to not be skeptical of the claims he makes.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
It is hard not to be skeptical, but isn’t it also fun at the same time? In all seriousness, he’s president of a company that puts on cage fights. He is going to say stupid, insane bullshit to sell his sideshow. I think the trouble comes from the fact that Lorenzo is the “face” people want. He’s the Roger Goddell.
I really like the hockey fan comparison. We’re way past the point where we have to defend MMA from every curmudgeon with an opinion.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
Dana alternately lies on both extremes.
Is he a candid person who tells the honest truth as he sees it or is he distorting what he actually knows to be true for personal benefit? At some point his honesty and personal benefit will intersect…
Sure he does things like say Fedor sucks or that 108 will do 500k buys. That’s clearly him being a promoter. But he doesn’t always play that character, and his fandom comes out. When he said Shogun won the fight against Lyoto, he cheapened what has historically been his greatest marketing tool: the LHW belt. That made any fight that wasn’t Lyoto vs. Shogun for the belt all but worthless, and it was his gut reaction as a fan of MMA to speak his mind.
Dana is both a promoter prone to hyperbole and occasionally untruths, and a guy from Boston who doesn’t want to stop telling people exactly what he thinks, when he thinks it.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I think when it comes to DW’s view on things inside the UFC, we can put some merits to it, if it’s a view outside the UFC than we should take it with a grain of salt.
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It's more than that though.
Like his last statement about Fedor and Mousasi. He said something along the lines of “I don’t know how they’d do in the UFC, we have a lot of really talented guys and it’s not easy for anybody. I’d love to bring them over and see what they can do.” That’s an honest, intelligent comment regarding the top fighters outside his promotion. I think we, the educated fans, just need to be able to tell the difference. There aren’t any simple rules we can go by.
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-Randall Munroe
Sure, but consider
Two things:
1. It’s not as if it’s always abundantly clear which Dana we’re getting: promoter or honest person. You’re acting as if we get disclaimers or know outright what’s happening with each statement. The examples you’re providing are obvious ones, but there’s an ENORMOUS amount of ground inbetween the two that makes unpacking what’s going on hard to decipher. The notion that it’s obvious is just flat wrong except in clean circumstances.
2. Let’s take your Shogun vs. Machida example. Was Dana being honest when he said Rua got robbed? Sure, and that’s great. But given the nature of his position (not the nature of his statements in this case per se), he does have a major financial interest in a rematch. That’s not White’s fault, it’s the nature of the business. So the point that his analysis is compromised by his position still stands even when he makes a good faith effort at reconciling wrongs or speaking out against perceived injustices.
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I think your first point was an elaboration on what I tried to put simply.
When I said there are no clear cut rules to tell, I meant that there’s no obvious line. It’s difficult for us (meaning hardcore fans, bloggers, industry insiders, new media) to decipher, and that’s why the discussion takes place. It is an absolute necessity that there is a specialize MMA media who can look at his comments, understand the context, understand the realities, and hep guide the mainstream coverage. Sherdog is in a great position to do that with their ESPN partnership. I’d like to see MMA Payout build similar mainstream connections.
Dana does have a major interest in a rematch, but he also has a long term interest in a champion who can actually defend that belt. He already started the hype machine behind Lyoto as a top p4p fighter, a recently converted knockout artist, an unbeatable mysterious champion who could actually hold the musical chairs belt, and the successor to Chuck Liddell as the top striker with impeccable takedown defense. Then after the “Machida Era” begins, Dana says “Eff that noise, he just totally lost. Do it again.” It would have been just as easy to join the handful of people who defend the decision and add “This was a close fight, and that’s why I always tell these guys to not leave it up to the judges.” and move on. It was a moment of fandom taking precedence over business.
Dana’s analysis is still always subject to skepticism and criticism, which was my original point. We need that skepticism and criticism to make a distinction between outlandish promoter sound bites, the real news he provides, and his personal opinion. It takes an educated contingent of fans and determined media to be able to understand, and even then it’s not guaranteed, but it seems to be the best option. Dana isn’t going to change. The way we react to and treat Dana can.
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-Randall Munroe
Ok, there is discussion about White’s statement, so then why are we subjected to “it’s obvious what Dana is doing”? Right, again, we can’t have it both ways. Either it’s ok to investigate what he says from an evidentiary standpoint or its not. Either it’s ok to decipher if White is being genuine or its not. When we try, EVERYTIME we get resistence for this ostensibly being an unnecessary exercise. So, again, which is it? If you’re with me that this actually takes time and effort to uncover, then cool. But it’s not ok to say the act of evaluating Dana’s statements is somehow misplaced.
As for the rematch example, you’re getting lost in the granular details for the larger lesson. It’s not about rematch vs no rematch per se. Think about this: do we really think White is going to make a substantive (not passing) statement about his the larger actions of his organizations? Smaller stuff like his feud with Oritz, he’ll get into, but not about what needs to happen to the marquee division of his organization. Or think of something else of import. The point is you’re trying to dress up White’s actions in altruism when NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES the element of conflict of interest exists. You view the altruism as genuine, but there’s no real way to prove it. It’s reasonable to assume, but impossible to prove. And because the spectre of his financial interest hangs over everything, avoiding issues where those are truly brought to the forefront (“Dana, tell us why you think UFC 108 will be a great card”) is something that should be avoided.
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Simply put:
It is not only ok to analyze any and all statements of Dana White, but it would be irresponsible of the media and community not to. We cannot say “Oh, it’s just promoter talk!” or “Dana is honest and speaks his mind!” reflexively. He does both at times, and it’s not readily apparent. It’s the job of the MMA media, bloggers, and hardcore community to lead the discussion as to what Dana we are getting.
Again, it seems we are agreeing. Dana’s statements about the rematch still should be looked at in the context of a fight he is promoting. A fight that is now the most anticipated rematch in years which will be a very profitable PPV. If we really wanted to pick at it, we could wonder if there’s a chance that this rematch is being granted to weaken the Soares hold on Zuffa champs (Aldo, Anderson, Lyoto… 3/8 under the same management is significant with JDS and Big Nog both in the run to another title) and preventing him from acting as a prompter within the promotion(s).
And this is the conversation that we need to be having. I think it was a very genuine moment of his fandom that ends up being profitable. Your reminder that his laudable decisions are not necessarily altruism is just as valuable to the dialogue. We both know his stance and his conflict as a promoter, those are well documented, but his motive and goals are where the aforementioned responsible analysis comes in.
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-Randall Munroe
I’ve heard that what’s refreshing about White is his desire to speak his mind. This generally is issued when he makes a point his fans or fans of his organization like. Conversely, if he makes a patently absurd statement, the same supporters remind us he’s merely a promoter and just trying to leverage his answer for maximum benefit.
To me, this is the biggest fallacy of Dana White’s most ardent supporters. Saying White is a promoter and prone to hyperbole doesn’t make his exaggerations any less wrong, yet “Dana’s just a promoter, he says stuff like that. You just hate the UFC” has become a rebuttal to blogger’s challenges of Dana’s more outlandish points. In turn, writers, on this site and others, get labeled “Zuffa haters” and everything they write is summarily dismissed because the author “hates the UFC.”
Consequently, half the discussion ends up focusing on people’s personal opinions of Dana White, rather than any actual substantive arguments. It’s funny how the public seems to be more swayed by what it perceives the author’s opinion of Dana White is rather than any actual argument he\she makes when discussing White or the UFC.
by Andy R on Jan 30, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The reason why Dana’s words don’t bother me all that much is that it’s abundantly obvious where he’s coming from. He’s the leader/promoter/minority owner of Zuffa. He’s biased because of his roles just as every other person on earth is biased in some way or another. Whether he’s being “honest” or filling the role of “carnival barker,” it’s really irrelevant. Dana doesn’t hide his agenda. He couldn’t if he wanted to.
“Unbiased” and “neutral” reporters are a dime a dozen in most media circles. However, many fall well short of their high -minded labels. As a matter of personal preference, I’d rather know where these people are coming from. What shapes their reporting on various issues?
What MMA needs is more knowledgeable, skilled people to cover the sport. Given that the pre-eminent organization gathers most of its revenue through PPV events, it’s understandable why there’s not much money in covering the sport. Hence, there isn’t a deep pool of talent to cover it. Zuffa is, more or less, a vertically integrated giant of MMA. If Dana went out and hired Luke Thomas, Jordan Breen, and Josh Gross to commentate and analyze UFC events, a large, vocal group would view these stalwarts of MMA media as biased company men. They would, after all, have a vested, tangible interest in Zuffa’s success.
Media outlets don’t have enough access to Zuffa to generate the revenue needed to cultivate the analysts and knowledgeable reporters in question. One might come to the conclusion that this is Zuffa’s fault. I’d counter that that’s a bit of a foolish argument. In the end, Zuffa must make deals that are in it’s best interests from a financial perspective. ESPN and the other networks must do the same. If, in fact, MMA becomes more popular than football (or rivals it in some way) and Zuffa is still the dominant player, the media giants will come calling with cash, and somewhat knowledgeable analysts, etc. will emerge. As in the case of NASCAR and even American football, these things take time shake out. Advancements in information technology have and will continue to help MMA grow at a faster rate than it might have in the past, but the impatient among us will still have to give the sport time to grow on its own.
The point is that the current state of affairs is really no one’s fault. Dana White fills a huge media void not because he’s the only person who should have opinions or a voice, but because the sport’s current makeup dictates that he assume that position.
by Cannon Jacques on Jan 30, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow another Dana White bashing thread from Bloodyelbow. Its not a complete day unless there is some Dana bashing.
God, you’re stupid. I’m banning you for that reason alone, which at this point seems more than justified.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 30, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs

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