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UFC 108 Results: Rashad Evans Survives Against Thiago Silva

Photo by Dave Mandel via Sherdog

Photo by Dave Mandel via Sherdog

Rashad Evans cruised through the first two rounds, showcasing a complete mixed martial arts game full of striking, grappling, and clinching.  By round three, a frustrated Thiago Silva began to taunt the former champ in an attempt to bait him into more aggressive engaging.  What looked to be a last ditch effort to show any sort of effectiveness led to Silva landing a combination that had Evans wobbled and leaning on the fence.

And then Silva just...stopped.  He walked away from Evans, put his hands on his hips, and let the MSU grad recover from the assault.  It brought back memories of Heath Herring's decision to stand up after nearly obliterating Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira with a head kick back at UFC 73.  The difference is that Herring had a legitimate concern - Nogueira carried a legend around with him as a fighter who pulled submissions out of the most precarious of positions.

Silva has no excuse.  He had a chance to end a fight he was undoubtedly behind on the cards, but for whatever reason couldn't bring himself to finish. 

It's a tempered victory for Evans.  Up until the final exchanges, I was prepared to sing his praises.  Evans demonstrated a fantastic ability to use his striking and quickness to set up his takedowns, finally putting together the two strong facets of his game.  But his defensive lapse provides that much more support for the criticisms his game has received coming into this fight.

In any event, Evans should be praised for the evolution he DID demonstrate, as well as the ability to compose himself and grind out the victory.  We can only hope his next trip into the Octagon involves a date with one Quinton Jackson.

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There’s a phrase I use a lot. It goes like this: ____ ____ went stupid.

Thiago Silva .. went stupid.

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by FlyByKnight on Jan 3, 2010 12:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Went full retarded

…went home empty handed.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Jan 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

‘went full retarded’ should be knights new saying

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Thiago was tired… but no way did he leave everything in the cage. That was foolish. Whether he would have finished Rashad or not he would not have regretted.

by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He should have thrown and thrown

like Manhoef vs. Cyborg. Don’t stop until you want to lose just so it’s over.

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by pdl on Jan 3, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

he definetely needed more heart there

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly. what the hell was he saving the little energy he had left for?

by mmalogic on Jan 3, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

walk to his corner?

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He just really seemed off tonight.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he just gassed, got taken down a lot and got up in every one of them, I guess it just took all his energy out. But he definitely could have shown more heart and go for the kill.

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember the mystery ankle injury?

It’s been on my mind the whole night.

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by pdl on Jan 3, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

frankly, he didn’t seem injured, he was getting up with no problem and I’d imagine an ankle injury would make that hard to execute, specially against a wrestler.

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he looked injured

before they entered the cage.. then when he walked back at the end of the first.. he looked like he was walking with a limp in his foot or ankle.

by waldog on Jan 3, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Shad chooses to stand and trade with rampage he’s done for…

by kanodogg on Jan 3, 2010 12:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Shhhhhhh.

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by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am just waiting for Rampage to do his chicken dance impression…then for both guys to KO eachother, preferably off of a Rampage slam.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Page is also a wresler

I think he’ll be fine in the takedown defense

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s also going to be much bigger than Rashad.

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by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

stanky chicken leg right thur

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by KrmtDfrog on Jan 3, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Deo Wade on Jan 3, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can already Rampage’s smack talk.

by grein on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

damn Thiago

so close man, work on that cardio bro

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a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When I saw that one-two nail Rashad, I thought it was going to be over. Then it’s like Thiago had a brain fart and forgot what he was supposed to do.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Jan 3, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, I thought it was over too! Thiago needs a heart transplant, he’d then be able to finish that fight (I suggest Wandy’s, since they were close).

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hear me out

i thought it should’ve been a draw
rd1 10-9 rashad
rd2 10-9 rashad
rd3 10-8 thiago due to the knockdown and rashads lack of offence

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

last round could’ve been 10-8 if thiago would’ve kept up the attack…

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

did the only damage of the fight though… i mean, i knew the judges would score it for rashad but i think there need to be more draws because rashad didn’t hurt thiago at all during the fight

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i definitely agree with the damage done.

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough…. draw i say!!

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one more round!

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

two more maybe???

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Putting a guy down and then letting him recover as you stand there with your hands on your hips doesn’t earn you a 10-8.

by ufc4 on Jan 3, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lost some respect for silva in the closing minutes of that round…

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cause you determine that? i think knocking a guy down when the other guy didn’t do a bit of damage the whole fight is dominating in comparision… i don’t think he gave it away that much, the dude was trying to finish him.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cause you determine that?

No, the judges do, and they scored it 10-9. Guess I was right.

by ufc4 on Jan 3, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, the judges rule in mma!!

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 2:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. That last burst was impressive, but ultimately he got nothing done w/ it. 10-9 for Thiago, not 10-8.

by Hardcase on Jan 3, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

luke thomas himself

said that if one fighter has no offence in the round and is dropped, that constitutes a 10-8

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Rashad had no offense in round 3, Thiago had no offense in round 1, so that was 10-8, so Rashad wins.

by Phildo on Jan 3, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously… i feel completely justified after seeing the fight metric, despite them giving rd 10-9. overall, i have no idea what the judges look for because neither guy won that fight.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s pretty much how I look at it.

by Hardcase on Jan 4, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t give round 3 a 10-8 just because Thiago had one good salvo.

by Andy R on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think it was more than a good combo

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure he had Rashad wobbly. But he followed it up with nothing. Stunning your opponent once doesn’t make a 10-8 round. A fighter has to dominate the round.

by Andy R on Jan 3, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, i still think he did enough. rashad didn’t do ANYTHING.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We’ll have to agree to disagree then. Most of the round was neutral. Thiago had one good bit of offense, which he didn’t sustain. I just can’t call that a 10-8.

by Andy R on Jan 3, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, i’m cool with that but likewise, i can’t call that a win for rashad.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Since he won the other two rounds, you can.

by Hardcase on Jan 3, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but i don’t think rashad did anything… either way. fight metric agrees that it should’ve been a draw. forget 10-8 then.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The judges obviously disagreed as they didn’t make it a 10-8 round.

by who me on Jan 3, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really? because i swore that they scored it a draw and now rashad has 2 draws.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless what anyone thinks about the judges (they suck) we all know exactly how they are going to score things like that and so do the fighters. If you don’t finish the fight you deserve what you get. Everyone can grouch as much as they like but this one is already in the books and nothing is going to change that.

by who me on Jan 3, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree, and like i said above, i knew how it was going to be scored… but it doesn’t sit well with me.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This fight isn’t going to sit well with these two guys either, really even if it was a draw it looked more like the both lost by the end. Rashad looked good for two except he couldn’t keep him down (which really looks bad being as wrestling is his strength) and Thiago had a real chance to pull out a miracle at the end after not doing much of anything except standing up but he laid an egg. Can’t say much for a guy who didn’t do anything for two rounds and then blew it in the third when he finally did manage to do something in the fight.

by who me on Jan 3, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 2:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

judges don’t know much anyways

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously…. i thought that was established.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vitor said they are boxing judges and that they need to get people that does MMA to judge fights. I tend to agree with him.

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and i agree with both of you brazilians.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

thanks!

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a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nah man, this isn’t boxing, 10-8 round is automatic just cause of a knockdown, rashad may not have had much offense striking but he was still taking thiago down in round 3.

by kanodogg on Jan 3, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

showcasing a complete mixed martial arts game full of striking, grappling, and clinching? really? in the words of rashad’s teammate, “i am not impressed”. it was the old rashad, take down your opponent and do nothing… i thought his striking was much diminished from his last few fights. granted, he won the decision, but i don’t know if this fight put him any nearer to a title shot.

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think his skills got any better, per se, but he meshed them more than we’ve seen so far.

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by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

with all respect, i think he took a few steps back in regards to striking and ground control. takedowns were impressive, though.

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind Silva is no slouch on the ground, BJJ black belt.

by ufc4 on Jan 3, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We don’t even have proof of his level of BJJ.

by grein on Jan 3, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s exactly why they gave him the belt =p.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Jan 3, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, that’s true. i just hate to see someone win by takedowns alone.

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He looked kinda like GSP, just without the damage and polish.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Takedown and top control mean ziltch if you don’t do damage.

For the 10-point must system. Rashad lost that fight.

by taro on Jan 3, 2010 3:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

taro?

nice to see you here, man :)

Gotta say I disagree with you there, though. Rashad basically nullified everything Silva had for two whole rounds, and then he did the intelligent thing in making Thiago come to him in round 3. He fell into Silva’s stupid little trap there and almost paid dearly for it, but ultimately he did control the landscape of the fight.

All that said, I’m still not a Rashad fan, and I really dislike the 10 points must system for MMA. It’s way beyond flawed.

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by misterjonez on Jan 3, 2010 5:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

except for the fact that Rashad was tooling Silva on the feet in the first two rounds (didn’t do much damage, but that doesn’t count for anything under the unified rules) and Thiago Silva had about 1 minute of meaningful offense in the entire fight.

by Phildo on Jan 3, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if you toss out the takedowns Rashad still accomplished more in the first two rounds, the fight was close to a draw but the only world where this would of been a win for SIlva is the world where he doesn’t back off with one minute left and actually finishes the fight.

by who me on Jan 3, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i still cant believe he didnt finish… i think thiagos corner told him he own round one i hope he didnt think he was winning in the score cards

by ZephyrBrasil on Jan 3, 2010 12:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Thiago was probably tired at that point

by IRodC on Jan 3, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At least we know Machida has two less guys to worry about at having a chance at taking his belt

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 12:42 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

sad, but true.

by stray on Jan 3, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd for truth

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by KrmtDfrog on Jan 3, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you mean Shogun's belt?

At least Rampage has had success against him…

by Koob on Jan 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

when i read this comment i thought it was orcus immediately

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I’ll say it too to make you happy; Shogun’s belt! :p

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a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It may be yet, but right now it is Lyoto’s after a well deserved and hard fought win =)

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lyoto is just borrowing from Shogun for a while, he’ll give it back in May :p

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a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lyoto is a nice guy, he will let Shogun get a picture with the belt before he is taken to the hospital after getting beaten by Lyoto =)

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

you will be disappointed my friend.

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, maybe not. We will however find out, and I hope the fight does not disappoint even if the winner does, for both of us my friend =D

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what more could machida next time? I’m expecting the same type of fight but an even more determinded shogun.

by naturalist on Jan 3, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt!

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shogun and machida are some of my fav fighters so the whole controversy there is kinda moot to me

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so…… who won??

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nnnnNNNNNOOOOO!!!! machida era.

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sonny Chiba is my avatar...

do I NOT want Karate to be back?

by Koob on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh it’s back baby…

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hence

the new Karate Kid movie!

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

for a second I thought that was Jackie Chan was teaching Kung Fu….in China…..

by Koob on Jan 3, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure there is at least one Karate dojo in China

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Machida fan...

but I can’t deny Shogun was robbed….not even close.

by Koob on Jan 3, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

come on! not even close?? 1/2 of people thought it was machida

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

People really need to look up actual robberies…that was just a close fight that ended up in the favor of Lyoto.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

acutally i thought machida took the first 3.. that was with mute on though.. but i think if i say anymore ill be skewered on these forums

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the whole fightmetric stats are damning…

by Koob on Jan 3, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i acutally counted the strikes myself and i still thought machida won the first 3 but just by a hair..

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damning? It showed it was an extremely close fight in almost every round.

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by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

try the fourth and fifth

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Effectiveness scores by round:

(Machida-Rua)
R1: 15-28
R2: 21-11
R3: 47-46
R4: 4-10
R5: 6-37

The only definitive round is the fifth.

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by Mike Fagan on Jan 3, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i love how this argument always comes back up! haha

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the rematch can’t come quick enough…

by Koob on Jan 3, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im pretty sure though Machida will have eliminated the only weakness ive seen in him and train to avoid those body kicks next time around. whats left will be those crazy barrages of exchanges which usually is in machidas favor

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so do you want machida again this time?

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, we’re tired of arguing, there is a rematch anyway, no need for this shit anymore.

"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."

by spectaa on Jan 3, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SHOGUN!

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

shogun wins again

wandy tears threw the mid weights

by mr. gogoplata on Jan 3, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hell yeah!

cagar é uma filosofia profunda...
a merda bate na água e a água bate na bunda.

by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You talking about the PRIDE one he never got the chance to get?

Because while he had a great performance, the recent one he fought for left on the waist of the better fighter that night.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As I said in the live blog:

If Rashad, or anyone else from Jackson’s camp, is going to try to get their GSP on, DO SOME DAMAGE!

A big reason GSP is beloved for how he fights is because he messes dudes up in between all of the takedowns. So, if you want to fight like him, then do more than some weak assed LnP.

Also, Rashad has a BJJ black belt to go along with his wrestling pedigree and Thiago Silva just stands up at will? I don’t want to say McDojo, cause it’s a Gracie school that gave him the belt, but that is fucking pathetic.

And, yes, Thiago Silva is a moron for letting up in the last minute. I don’t care how gassed you are, there are surely oxygen masks nearby for you when you collapse after the bell.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Jan 3, 2010 12:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

or after the refs steps in, I meant.

I need sleep.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Jan 3, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont wanna see Machida-Evans 2 after watching this

the only fight that interests me at 205 now is Machida-Rampage

by Curtis72094 on Jan 3, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What about Shogun – Evans….

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt about it

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

healthy shogun and machida are just on different levels of mma than rashad and silva

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would even add Couture to the list as well since he could very well outwrestle Evans, though Randy’s chin scares me

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by Noah'sArk on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think couture would out-wrestle evans. evans has more ko power, as well

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Jan 3, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Couture would absolutely out-do him in the clinch,

but if Rashad keeps blending his game like this for another fight or two, I’d even be willing to say that Couture couldn’t control him there.

Rashad looked like a black Couture out there for much of those first two rounds. Shorter, holding the taller guy up against the fence, working (less than Randy) dirty boxing in there with a few takedowns.

Rashad looked pretty good here, but I think Couture could still out-work him against the fence.

Rashad could take Couture’s head off with a Liddell-esque shot, though. Literally. Randy’s chin has all but disappeared.

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by misterjonez on Jan 3, 2010 5:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah, couture is still master of the clinch. i’m weighing takedowns and getting back to his feet, here. yeah, i don’t want to see evans land an overhand right square on Randy’s chin…

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Jan 3, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so many great match ups between shogun-rampage-nogueira-machida. rematch craziness too! we are lucky fans… especially that they’re all in the same org. sorry I had to say it

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 3:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

BJJ black belt doesn’t mean he’s gonna start throwing up subs. The only thing he shoulda done is let his hands go. I thought Rashad looked dominant tonight.

by thisredengine on Jan 3, 2010 12:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great overall game?

One of the worst fights I’ve seen in some time. Evans manged to get Silva to go straight back as opposed to circling and thus he was able to run him into the cage, get takedowns and then proceed to do NOTHING with them aside from getting escaped after 30 seconds at max. Great wrestling background? Keep the man down and do something ffs.

I can’t wait to see the fightmetric on this one.

Power shots landed by Evans: 1
Power shots landed by Silva: 3
Takedowns by Evans: infinity
Escapes by Silva: infinity

I’ll also add that this was a terrible overall card in terms of relevance. Aside from Daley interjecting himself and maybe Jim Miller as well, none of these fighters are deserving of a title shot in the foreseeable future. While Rashad may end up getting a shot at Machida again, he certainly didn’t earn it from this showing.

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by KrmtDfrog on Jan 3, 2010 12:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

A fellow named Santos, Junior Dos

would like a quick word with you.

A very quick word

by Trysdor on Jan 3, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meh

he’s gotta wait behind Velasquez, Nog, Mir and Carwin.

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by KrmtDfrog on Jan 3, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still dont understand how Carwin gets a championship shot with a win over Gonzaga… carwin should be fighting dos santos

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

remember when he knocked that guys mouth piece into the upper deck?

That put him in the fast lane to the title shot.

by Phildo on Jan 3, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually i dont remember.. thats how little i know of carwin

by pandaboy99 on Jan 3, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch his other fights

It’ll only take you 15 minutes.

by Cunny on Jan 3, 2010 6:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s unrealistic to think that Rashad could control Thiago from side control or hang on to the mount. Thiago is a great grappler and obviously had the size advantage to power out from underneath Rashad. Rashad should have just focused on GnP from half gaurd.
Thiago has no one else to blame but himself for not staying on him while he was hurt. WHy would he take his foot off the accelerator like that? He would tell Rashad to come on but he was only throwing 1 punch and backing up when rashad moved forward.
Props to Rashad for the walk out music.

by naturalist on Jan 3, 2010 12:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Anyone with Jose Aldo’s level of reactions would KO him with a knee as soon as he went for a telegraphed takedown.

by grein on Jan 3, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that not many fighters have Jose Aldo level of reaction time

by IRodC on Jan 3, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone with Karelin level of strength would have just ragdolled Rashad!

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Behold

Gigantopithecus

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Deo Wade on Jan 3, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree after seeing him tonite

by cagefightonacid on Jan 3, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some people need to share whatever they were drinking with the rest of us.

Rashad didn’t do much on the ground, but many of the takedowns were slams, and he won on the feet in rounds 1 and 2.

3 would have been 10-8 or finished if Silva jumped on Rashad when he rocked him, but he didn’t, I don’t think he did enough there for that to be 10-8 as it went down, this isn’t boxing, you need more than a knockdown to get a 10-8 round.

by Phildo on Jan 3, 2010 1:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

he did jump on Shad after he rocked him, it was later on that he gave up

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by orcus on Jan 3, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think i can come to conclusion saying that.......

Rampage,Shogun,Mousasi,Machida and Lil Nog can all beat Evans after what happened to tonight

by Curtis72094 on Jan 3, 2010 1:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

im glad sugar won and the fact he used his take downs but evey time he Silva down i thought this would be the time he GNP him. Needless to say it never happened. Kinda reminded me of the Hughes Serra fight. Rashad won but he did zero damage.

by mmatokyo on Jan 3, 2010 1:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is much like Fitch vs. Pierce

At the end… Fitch got buckled badly (n he actually took a lot of good shots in the fight including some stiff jabs)… I actually thought Pierce COULD have gotten the nod, but he lost… But nobody said anything about Fitch being overrated, even if some called him boring….

This seems to just be an excuse to attack Rashad. Yes, he made a costly error in defense in the third… Yes, he missed out on opportunities for GnP but he did have some really good takedowns, that were setup with good boxing… He also got into range really well, and stopped bouncing so much, while incorporating some head/shoulder movement. He wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t that bad…

There are many fights where guys get plain ol ROCKED, and they don’t automatically become overrated. Rashad fought one of the top ranked LHWs in the world, and earned a solid decision.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Jan 3, 2010 1:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm also not saying there shouldn't be criticism...

but a bit of the hate is just overboard. We had a night full of KOs and submissions… and the main event went the distance. But that doesn’t erase the entire performance… Rashad incorporated his wrestling and boxing well, but had some trouble holding a BJJ Black Belt on the ground, while giving up size…

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Jan 3, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have just had to come to the conclusion that outside of coaching, I just plain don’t like Rashad. He won the fight, but I really wish Thiago had gone for the kill more.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and thats cool

because everyone is entitled to like who they want. I just think that if you compare Rashad’s performance to ones from Guida and Fitch, it seems unfair to bash him the way some are.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Jan 3, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It really reminded me of GSP, but without the polish and the ability to get in punishment. Hopefully that will come with time.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 3, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All Rashad did was wrestle Silva. Silva did more damage.

Rashad won the decision according to the currnet lame scoring system. Silva won that fight.

by taro on Jan 3, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really?

Thiago landed the biggest shot and had one flurry that was big. Other than that Rashad used his boxing to get in, and got takedowns. He didn’t get KO’d and easilly won the first two rounds.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Jan 3, 2010 5:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends on how heavily you award

‘Octagon Control,’ since essentially Rashad took that category uncontested. In collegiate wrestling you get 2 points for a takedown and 1 point for an escape. I think it’s a closer gap in MMA, but the principle is the same: if you initiate a takedown and succeed, you’re controlling the terrain of the fight. All fights start standing, and standing is the ‘neutral’ position. Takedowns should be awarded..maybe not as much as some believe, and maybe more than others think.

After you look at that category, the rest of it really does lend itself to a Rashad win. The only round Thiago was coming forward (aggression) was the third, and the only round he won the striking was also the third. Using just those three categories (of the five? total) you’d have to give the win to Rashad.

Which is why the 10 point must system sucks. There should be greater volatility in round scoring. 10-5 should be possible, not common, but possible. 10-5 simply can’t happen in MMA because there’s no standing eight count to let the fighter recover. If he’s flashed for a few seconds and can’t defend himself, the fight’s over.

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by misterjonez on Jan 3, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like scoring takedowns or top control significantly in a vaccum unless a guy really burns his opponents stamina.

GnP absolutely, but what Rashad did yesterday wasn’t very effective in my mind.

by taro on Jan 3, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I don’t see how ‘Page can’t go into the Rashad fight as a huge favorite after this. He has enough wrestling to neutralize Rashad from just winning a decision, and is clearly the better boxer. The only thing that worries me is I think Wolfslair is a very mediocre camp compared to JSF, but I still like Rampage big time. (disclaimer: I’m biased toward ’Page in every way)

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Jan 3, 2010 4:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree. The only thing I can think of is if Rashad continues to get better at blending takedowns with striking and is able to get in Rampage’s head about what’s coming next.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jan 3, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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