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Not-So-Live-Blogging: Greg Nagy vs. Francisco Navarro

Herschel Walker will face Greg Nagy on Saturday.

I was finally able to find video of Herschel Walker's Strikeforce opponent Greg Nagy in action and rather than simply describe his fight from Rage in the Cage 136 I decided to blog it as I watched it as I do with any of my regular live blogs.  Here's the fight as I saw it:

Round 1 - Navarro is wearing a rashguard.  Nagy imediately kind of...hops in the air a few times before clinching up with Navarro.  They move around the cage in the clinch and Nagy is able to finish the takedown.  Half guiard but Navarro is able to reestablish guard and lock up an armbar.  Nagy powers out by standing up and slipping out.  Both men standing at a distance.  Nagy with a leg kick that completely lacked any sort of techique and clinches up.  Pushing Navarro into the cage but can't complete the takedown.  Francisco reverses the attempt into a takedown of his own and quickly into side control.  Body punches by Navarro and Nagy is able to stand up but gets caught in a guillotine.  Nagy able to pop his head out and is now in Navarro's guard landing tapping punches to the body.  Round ends and it was 10-9 Navarro.

Round 2 - Nagy jogs forward and eats a right hand before pressing Navarro into the cage.  Nagy reaching for the takedown and Navarro avoids.  Francisco landing small punches from in the clinch.  Nagy still looking for the takedown and he folds over from a knee to the body.  Navarro with another knee to the body and some body punches.  Nagy throws a few arm punches and then eats a knee to the head which is apperantly illegal as the ref issues a warning.  They exchange "punches" and Navarro hurts him with an ugly  winging shot.  Navarro follows him to the ground and takes his back.  Nagy turns and is mounted. Navarro throws a few punches and starts looking for the armbar but the round ends.  10-9 Navarro.

Round 3 - Again they exchange ugly shots and Navarro gets the better of it.  And again, Nagy pushes him against the cage.  Navarro spins and takes Nagy's back standing and takes him down.  A few body punches landed by Francisco and Nagy rolls over and Navarro has side control.  Navarro continues to alternate between looking for an armlock from side control and landing body shots.  Pass to mount now by Navarro and he's dropping punches to Nagy's face.  For some reason the ref stands them up while Nagy was mounted and getting punched.  Nagy pushes him into the cage and both fighters fall to their knees more than any sort of takedown.  Finally Nagy completes the takedown and the round ends.  10-9 Navarro makes it 30-27 on my card.  Francisco Navarro wins by unanimous decision.

What did I learn about Nagy from watching this fight?

- His striking appeared to be laughable at best.  Standing up he did a lot of odd things like running forward into a punching opponent and hop up in the air.

- He seems to want to use wrestling, but lacks any strong takedowns.  Mainly he looked to secure a body lock and try to press into the cage.  On the occasions where he was able to get a takedown it was more on Navarro's tripping during scrambles than anything.

- Nagy continually put himself in bad positions.  He had half-guard in the first round and made no effort to avoid Navarro moving his hips and regaining guard and then quickly grabbing an arm.  He stuck his head into a guillotine.  He allowed Navarro to take his back on the ground and standing as well as had no defense for getting his guard passed into side control or preventing the mount once Francisco had side control.

- I should point out that I also watched Nagy's first RITC fight against Robert Principato and he hurt Principato early with a wide right hand.  He then came close to getting guillotined after pushing into the cage and attempting a double leg.  Nagy then laid on top not mounting any offense, unable to pass a loose half guard until the ref stood them up.  The doctor then stopped the fight on a cut suffered by Principato on the initial punch of the fight.

This would all seem to point to him being exactly the correct guy for Walker to be fighting.  His stand-up is poor, he doesn't appear to have good wrestling, and his ground skills appear to not be anything to worry about.  As long as Walker has some technique he can likely coast based on having a solid jab and enough strength to get out of any sort of clinch against the cage.  I suppose the Principato fight could serve as a reminder that maybe Nagy can land a looping punch and hurt Walker, but it was not an impressive double-feature.

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That's him.

Top 2 pics are from the Principato fight. Bottom 2 are from the Navarro fight. Guy on bottom is Navarro.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 27, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Herschel is helping out my favorite charity with this fight, my pocket book!

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by keyboardwarrior on Jan 27, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Let’s not forget Walker has no fights, so let’s not discredit Nagy before the fight actually takes place.

"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni

by midwestbred on Jan 27, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s the thing though. Training at AKA should be more than enough to get someone with athletic talent over a guy like Nagy.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 27, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

well

I don’t think Strikeforce would put him in with anybody that has more than a 10% chance of winning. He has the potential to be a promotional tool for them and they won’t risk that by putting him in the cage with a dangerous opponent. The monely line on the fight isn’t great, but you figure if you invested in a stock and got a 30% return, you would be very happy.

"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."

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by keyboardwarrior on Jan 27, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes but

Wouldn’t this description fit just about any 0-0 or 0-1 or 1-1 fighter?… I mean at that level unless they are from the university of Arizona wrestling team what are we to expect?. In fact, your description sounded kind of like Lashleys first few fights?

by SimplePsych on Jan 27, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Lashley had a strong skillset in at least one area…that being the wrestling.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 27, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

His stand-up is poor, he doesn’t appear to have good wrestling, and his ground skills appear to not be anything to worry about.

Should this guy call himself a fighter then?

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by ludakrish on Jan 27, 2010 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Truth

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is actually something I’d like to see go away. I think it’s kind of lame to say that any time anyone has a fight that they’re automatically this ballsy warrior beyond criticism. There are plenty of people who I don’t respect as men, fighters or anything else that have “gotten in the cage.”

Yes, Nagy should call himself a fighter as he has fought professionally.

I have no beef with him personally…but video evidence points to him being a bad fighter.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 27, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

But he’s still a fighter. No matter how bad he sucks, he willingly agrees to inflict physical damage on another person and to be damaged in return.

And “fighter” in this situation is a very specific term as we’re on a MMA site discussing professionals. Shit, I’ve been in like four fights on the street, that doesn’t mean I’m a fighter. Do my scant amateur boxing matches count? I don’t know, I’m wearing head gear and 12oz gloves, going four rounds with someone who doesn’t really hurt me.

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely. He is a fighter. I’m not denying that.

I just hate the idea that everyone who has “stepped in the cage” automatically qualifies as a ballsy warrior who we must all respect.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 27, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But nobody said you have to respect him or that he is above criticism. All I said was that he IS a fighter.

by Steve4192 on Jan 27, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh it wasn’t directed at you specifically (I should have made that clear).

It just comes up so often when talking about fighters that it’s some magical thing that they “had the balls to get in the cage” (again, not aimed at you). And a large section of MMA fans think that you have to respect everyone who has ever had a pro fight. I’m just not willing to go along with that any more.

But yes, Greg Nagy is a fighter. ;)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 27, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I get this. And, it still allows us to have no respect for Jose Canseco.

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I even have a modicum of respect for Canseco.

I know I sure as hell wouldn’t have stepped in the ring with a 7 foot tall 350 pound pro kickboxer under any circumstances.

by Steve4192 on Jan 27, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hate his face.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Canseco, whatever his motives were for taking that fight, is a courageous dude.
When you see him against the monster that is HMC, he is scared shitless, but instead of running out of the ring straight to the embassy, he stays and takes a beating, what a man, BALLS → RESPECT!!

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by spectaa on Jan 27, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Balls or just out there to get a paycheck? Canseco didn’t take much of a beating, heck he curled up and tapped out pretty quick there at the end. It’s not like the dude jumped on a grenade or stood up to a tiger to save a baby here he took a regulated fight for a paycheck.

by who me on Jan 27, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Truth. Greg Nagy is no fighter, neither is Jose Cancseco. People will do a lot (almost anything) for money. This guy just gets the shit beaten out of him. What it does take balls to do is realize your no good at what you dream to be and get on with your life.

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by ludakrish on Jan 28, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case, I completely agree with you.

NO fighter is above reproach. Even elite fighters like GSP, Anderson & Fedor are not immune to criticism, just as elite athletes in other sports are not immune to criticism. If we can criticize those guys, we can certainly criticize the Greg Nagy’s of the world.

My only beef is when it goes beyond criticism and turns into outright disrespect for a guy who had the guts to put himself at risk rather than hiding behind a keyboard. For all his faults, Greg Nagy is still a tough SOB who had the balls to actually do something rather than sitting around talking it. He might not be a good fighter, but he is a fighter.

by Steve4192 on Jan 27, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Just getting in the cage doesn’t mean that he is a tough sob or that he has any balls at all it just means that he has fought professional fights before. We really don’t know enough about the guy to apply any adjectives to him as a person. He is a professional fighter is about all that we actually know about him.

by who me on Jan 27, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think stepping in the cage makes them above criticism, but it most certainly makes them a fighter.

I have no problem with you criticizing the guy. What I did have a problem with is ludakrish implying he was not a fighter just because he isn’t very good. One of my favorite fighters of all time (Olaf) kind of sucks, but that dude is a fighter through and through.

by Steve4192 on Jan 27, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

How is stepping in a cage any different, in terms of courage that is, than picking a fight on the streets? Does that mean everybody who’s ever gotten into a fight is a fighter?

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by ludakrish on Jan 28, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Balls don’t make you a fighter. They make you a foolhardy brawler. This isn’t UFC 1 we’re talking about…

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by ludakrish on Jan 28, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

CAN he?

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by keyboardwarrior on Jan 27, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn, that is a sexy picture of Herschel.

If my man wins by a head kick (kind of a possibility) I will cream myself more than the Ink Monster in Mario Kart.

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

Completely agree.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Do I need to do the "why boxing matchmaking is the way it is" post again?

Because there is a very legitimate reason why almost every top boxer takes the same career path and it isn’t “because it’s easy”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 27, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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