Quote of the Day: Marloes Coenen Says Only a Lucky Punch Will Get Fedor Emelianenko Past Alistair Overeem
by Kid Nate on Jan 26, 2010 5:38 PM EST
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I know Alistair for years and am very happy for him that he is doing so well right know. He is really talented and dedicated, so much discipline. But I'm also for years a big fan of Fedor too. Okay, if Fedor wins it'll be after a beatdown given by Alistair, that Alistair will walk into a lucky punch. If Alistair can avoid that he'll remain the Strikeforce champion.
Marloes Coenen talking to Derek Bolender of MMA Mania about her teammate Alistair Overeem's chances against Fedor Emelianenko. She'll face Cristiane Cyborg Santos at Strikeforce:Miami.
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or a lucky takedown preceded by lucky gnp topped off with a lucky armbar
by milk72 on Jan 26, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
The same Fedor who got mounted by Brett Rogers.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Rogers mounted an offence for a minute or two there…
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yeah
he actually laid some nice GnP that had me worried for a sec
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first he'd have to fight in the US Marloes!
Marloes example of a lucky punch:
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by Orcus on Jan 26, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
I take no credit for this, I stoled it from someone after the Fedor/Rogers fight :p
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The guy that made the gif did a how to about it on fightlinker (hopefully it’s not taboo to post the link):
http://www.fightlinker.com/behind-the-gif.mma
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Buh!
The guy totally choked out James Thompson and beat the crap outta Kazuyuki Yoshida. Nothing short of an Act of God will save Fedor now.
Pee-pee money is not an employment history.
Yeah, didn’t he fight him after he beat Mike Hunt and Larry Goodwrench?
Pee-pee money is not an employment history.
by finkrod on Jan 26, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Kazuyuki Fujita
close enough though point is he fought a washed up japanese guy whose famous for stunning fedor
pretty funny
because that’s the only way she’ll beat Cyborg
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Jan 26, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Interviewer: Marloes Coenen recently said that you are her hero. Do you enjoy watching female MMA?
Fedor: To be honest, I don’t approve women participating in mixed martial arts, or martial arts in general. I do not watch female fights.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 26, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
If you intend to hit someone in the face with a punch and then your punch hits them in the face, its not luck.
What if you intend to punch someone, but close your eyes and don’t aim, but still hit? Luck or skill?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 26, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I never meant Fedor, just some hypothetical punch.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jan 27, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
She must be a UFC nut hugger.
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by szucconi on Jan 26, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I hate the recent rule change
that bans takedowns followed by GNP maulings or armbars. Sucks for Fedor. It’s like when the NCAA banned dunking to stop Kareem.
I might not think Fedor is the best ever mma god; but he has more than enough tools to take out Overeem (if he ever “decides” fight in the US)
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
What does fighting in the US have to do with Fedor vs. Overeem at all?
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
uhhhh, it was a reference to Overeem seeming to avoid fighting here, mainly due to drug testing
but fear of flying works too
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by JeremyShane on Jan 26, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem
only beats scrubs. He is going to get flat KTFO by Fedor.
He has also only had sex with women.
Doesn’t mean he can’t hook up with a dude tomorrow.
pdl: Making vulgar and nightmarish comparisons when they are completely not called for since the 80s.
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by pdl on Jan 26, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
you’re either referring to tiddies, or you spent time looking at his junk
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. maybe female primates only?
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Overeem only beats scrubs
As opposed to Fedor who only beats… uh…
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Who only beat basically every dominant heavyweight of his era.
He’ll likely never fight Brock but let’s not play the game where we pretend Fedor doesn’t have a hell of a run of beating some amazing talent.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 26, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Only new fighters are good. Those fighters will be old one day, and thus not as good as the new fighters that will replace them.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
This is a popular sentiment
I’m not confused at all.
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Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
“His era” is the key phrase. His wins over Nog and Cro Cop were certainly important and relevant at the time. That was five years ago.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the Nog that is still ranked top 5 today?
Or that he KO’d an arguably number 2 and easily top 5 Andrei Arlovski out of a hot streak. Or that he put the lights out on a top ten ranked Brett Rogers?
Or is this not good enough competition for the year to be ranked above Cain Velasquez, who has never touched top 15 competition? Or Shane Carwin, who has never seen top 10 competition, yet was on tap to challenge for the prestigious UFC HW title? Or Brock Lesnar, who only has one win in the past year? Or Frank Mir, who’s only top 10 win is over Nogueira… who apparently hasn’t been relevant since five years ago.
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by pdl on Jan 26, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
If you’re using Andrei Arlovski as the root of your argument about relevance I don’t really know what to tell you.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Then tell me what you would say
regarding the second paragraph.
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I think it's because he's allergic to the word "or"
and I used it to start six out of seven sentences.
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You shit on Cain Velasquez, who just ran through the same man your precious Arlovski had to beat to get a shot at Fedor after being so bad he was dropped by the UFC after a win.
You shit on Carwin, who annihilated the man who ruined the career of Fedor’s nemesis.
I never said Nog hasn’t been relevant for 5 years. He obviously has.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
'bout time you replied, I was getting bored!
Yep. Cain got a stoppage against somebody Arlovski also stopped. Kimbo got a stoppage against James Thompson, who Alistair also stopped. Ergo Kimbo should be in K1.
Also, Kimbo beat Ray Mercer who beat Tim Sylvia who beat Brandon Vera who beat Frank Mir. Clearly Brock isn’t that good, his only win the past year is against a guy who got TKO’d by a guy who had nothing for a guy who got KO’d by a guy who got submitted by a dude who lost to Sean Gannon on Youtube!
That one was fun, thanks for making me work a bit.
And yeah, Arlovski got cut for his performance… not leaving to get an insanely better payday. This is less fun now that you’re pretty much lying about things instead of using wild yet creative logic.
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by pdl on Jan 26, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You have your head up your ass if you don’t think Arlovski’s performance against Werdum got him cut. The “insanely better pay day” he got was only because the UFC wasn’t about to give him a raise after that terrible showing.
You’re the one bringing up rankings. Rankings are based on achievements, which naturally lends itself to some MMAth. Nog and Cro Cop were big achievements but obviously mean less and less as time goes on.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
So, the UFC offered him a contract that he declined.
Yeah, that sounds like getting cut to me.
So please, can you explain to me what makes Brock, Mir, Nog, Couture, Cain, or Carwin’s record of the past year better than Fedor’s? We’re talking about relevancy, right?
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Do you literally know nothing about MMA? Because if you did you’d know about how the UFC froze Arlovski out for nearly a year after the Werdum fight before throwing him on an undercard against O’Brien and handing him his walking papers.
If you need me to explain why beating Kongo or Gonzaga is more relevant than beating Tim Sylvia or Brett Rogers then uh….
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a cut.
He was still offered another contract. He was frozen out because they expected him to not resign. Same thing as Roger Huerta, except he has a loss.
Please indulge me. Educate this ignorant fool. Pray tell, what makes Kongo more relevant than Rogers? I’m all ears.
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Kongo is more relevant than Brett Rogers, especially in the context of this argument, because he completely dominated the toughest opponent of Fedor’s entire career. Did I really need to explain that?
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
By dominate
you mean admittedly intentionally knee to the balls over and over?
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That
and also beat him soundly in a mixed martial arts fight.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
yea, Arlovski, not a top five then, shouldn’t even be a top ten now; he is living off of his past when he gets ranked that well
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by JeremyShane on Jan 26, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Coenen has more of a chance than a lot are giving her.
However…
Fedor IS extremely lucky that he is able to throw punches with such amazing timing, force and accuracy.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 26, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions
I forsee a loopy assed punch that breaks the sound barrier in Alistair’s future…
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Megareem’s twice the fighter he used to be.
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Not quite.
255 / 205 works out to 1.24. So he’s about 124% the fighter he used to be!
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by pdl on Jan 26, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s been getting lucky for what, eight years now? WTF isn’t he playing the lottery?
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 26, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions
Arguments in favor of Overeem:
-Better striker than Fedor
-Better grappler than Fedor
-Much larger than Fedor
-Not as susceptible to bleeding/cuts
Arguments in favor of Fedor:
-He sometimes lands big punches on guys with bad chins
crazy?
he freakin subbed James effing Thompson. beat that punk.
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fedor beat Yuji Nagata
BAM
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Overeem was the ADCC European qualifier champion. Fedor was mounted by Brett Rogers and had to cheat to avoid being taken down by a middleweight.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
shush. rational anti-fedor commentary like that will earn you some enemies George.
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
He's Star Wars Prequel George Lucas
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by Damon O. on Jan 26, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Argument in favor of Fedor:
- Every time Overeem faces a good MMA fighter, he loses
- Every time Fedor faces a good MMA fighter he wins
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by Ubernoober on Jan 26, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The difference is that Overeem has actually fought a good MMA fighter since 2005.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Stellar comeptition like Fujita and Thompson?
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Kharitonov, actually. Back when Fedor was ducking him.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
And he got smoked by every LHW in Pride.
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How would Fedor have done at LHW in PRIDE I wonder?
Good thing he was there to fight the real heavyweight threats like Zulu.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
If my aunt had a dich she would be my uncle.
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unless she got it removed, and had a sex change. then you’re at square one.
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
offffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
…………………………………………………..topic
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Hey sorry if I threw a hypothetical into your “FEDOR WOULD TOTALLY BEAT OVEREEM” circlejerk
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t wank it now, I cut a finger off to prove a point.
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by Ubernoober on Jan 26, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha nice one again
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by Well Read Idiot on Jan 27, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
lol, he lost to Kharitonov, and to Shogun, Arona, Lil’ Nog, Werdum, everyone good he’s fought since ‘05. I’m starting to think you’re just having fun with these comments hehe
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I think he is too
but I’m taking advantage of higher bandwidth at work than I have at home, so I’ll bite!
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I'm bored
and doing what feels like busy work. I need a mindless distraction, and he is both distracting and mindless.
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if you need a mindless distraction, i recommend youtubing “goat that yells like a man”
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen that
and rolled around laughing for a solid 20 minutes. Fucking great.
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Yes, it’s weird how fighters sometimes lose when they fight good fighters instead of winning when they only fight bad fighters.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
fighters that can’t win against good fighters are not good fighters themselves… that’s a terrible logic…
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Worse logic than “a fighter who only wins against bad fighters can’t possibly lose”
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
someone finish this quote for me. "mr. madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response….
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone in on this blog is now dumber for having read it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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hey man, I always argue that Fedor should be fighting in the UFC for better competition, but he’s not fighting bums either, although I am sure nothing I can say will change your mind. Let me try this one, Fedor and your God Overeem are both part of this promotion in North America called Strikeforce, yet only Fedor seems to be active there… and you want to talk about people ducking competition? You should look at Overeem before even mentioning Fedor…
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Yeah he totally ducked Fedor so he could fight in the toughest kickboxing competition in the world because he was afraid. lol
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
lol
right, and now he’s going to fight Werdum, someone who’s beaten your boy (since 2005)… Is he still fighting bums?
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Werdum is indeed a relevant heavyweight and I give him credit for taking the fight.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
In that case, Elvis Sinosic is the GOAT.
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Much like Fedor
Sinosic hasn’t fought anyone good since 2005
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Who should Fedor have fought in teh time from 05-07?
He had cleaned out the division. Real threats to Fedor haven’t emerged since about a year ago.
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If Sylvia and Arlovski weren’t threats in 05-07, why were they suddenly threats in 08-09?
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Who should he have fought?
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Maybe Sylvia and Arlovski back when they were still clinging to relevance?
Werdum?
Monson?
Kharitonov?
Just about anyone other than Hong Man Choi, Zulu and Lindland.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
At this point
You have given yourself away. Nobody with grammar as good as yours could seriously be arguing a line of reasoning this stupid.
Surely you must be trolling. I say well played to you, sir.
Arguments in favor of Overeem:
- Betterstrikerkickboxer than Fedor
- BettergrapplerBJJ than Fedor
- Much larger than Fedor
- Not as susceptible to bleeding/cutsArguments in favor of Fedor:
-Hesometimeslands big puncheson guys with bad chinsand ends their effing night.
-Much better at MMA than Overeem
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You really want to argue that Sylvia and Arlovski don’t have bad chins?
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
You want to provide evidence
that Rogers has a bad one? Or a reason that you focus on “chin” when he only has 8 KO wins and 16 by submission?
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You mean aside from getting dropped by BET’s IRON RING superstar ABONGO?
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hey man, say whatever you want to about Fedor, but you do NOT fucking knock Abongo.
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by Ubernoober on Jan 26, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The only way you could justify arguing Sylvia has a good chin is if you believe he has some sort of narcolepsy brought on by being too close men over the age of 40.
Arlovski’s chin isn’t really debatable.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
And yet he gets dropped by noted power puncher Randy Couture.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, thats the thing about getting punched, sometimes it actually affects you.
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
That’s funny, I don’t remember Randy knocking him out. I remember him clinching with him, dirty boxing, taking him down, smothering him, working GnP, but never knocking him out.
Nor submitting him.
Curious.
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What does that have to do with his chin?
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
It has to do with what I said earlier.
You want to provide… a reason that you focus on "chin" when [Fedor] only has 8 KO wins and 16 by submission?
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I don’t see it as particularly relevant since Fedor hasn’t subbed a good heavyweight grappler ever.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Chuck Liddell never knocked out a good striker.
Boy did he suck.
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Chuck also KO’ed other good strikers. Fedor hasn’t subbed good grapplers. I don’t understand the comparison.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh right!
I forgot about the striking base that Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, Kevin Randleman, Jeremy Horn, and Babalu built their careers upon!
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If you don’t think Guy Mezger was one of the best strikers in the sport when Chuck knocked him out then you have no business arguing about MMA.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah.
When he was 4-4 in his last 8 and quickly fading. One KO against a striker.
If that counts, then so does when Fedor TKO’d Goodrige when he was still a relevant striker. Same with his TKO win over a then very game Herring.
Not that it matters, since most of his wins are submissions… against lifelong grapplers like Randleman and Coleman.
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I'm confused
So now you’re calling Chucks’ heyday irrelevant as a defense mechanism?
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Quite frankly
I believe little to nothing of what I’m saying in this thread. I’m just so bored right now and killing time since I’m stuck here while I render a file. The alternative is picking through how to handle the restrictions on CSS in Myspace. This is only slightly less retarded.
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Simple:
Don’t use Myspace for social networking. I cringe when clients request it.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Believe me, I don't.
It’s work stuff for a client. Believe me, I too am cringing.
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You don’t really understand how arguments work right? Because TKO’ing Gary Goodridge doesn’t make Fedor a good grappler.
Nor does subbing the submission wizards at TEAM HAMMER HOUSE.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure where you’re going with this one either.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
chuck Ko’d Overeem, man, just tell me someone good Overeem has beat, anyone? Maybe you can make a case for Belfort… way back in the days…
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Overeem’s quality MMA wins (Vitor, Igor, Sergei) were about as long ago as Fedor’s were and are just as irrelevant.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll give you Vitor and Igor, not sure if Sergei should be in that list since he beat Overeem in their latest bout. that’s a weak list though if you ask me, it’s no comparison to what Fedor has on his resumé
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It seems pretty clear to me that he’s saying neither has an impressive resume.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I don’t agree about Fedor, but I’m not really interested in arguing it. It’s a matter of opinion if he beat Timmay or Andrei before they were busted, and what sort of value people are placing on Rogers. But I also realize we wouldn’t be having this conversation if not for some of the terrible fights he took before Affliction.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
if you read some of his other comments, it doesn’t sound like that at all. It sounds like Overeem is fighting top competition for the past 5 years while Fedor isn’t. That’s what I get from his comments anyhow.
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Possibly
But the comment you replied to directly says that they both haven’t had relevant victories for a while and that they were comparable.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Good thing winning by KO isn’t the minimum standard by which rational people judge chins.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Having a good “chin” or a “beard” refers to a boxer (or fighters) ability to withstand a punch without being knocked out. That’s what it means. I know, I used to box. If you can take a big shot and not go down you have a “chin”.
Exactly. Sylvia can’t take a big shot without going down, ergo he doesn’t have a chin.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha stick a fork in that argument, that SHEET is DUN
by Austin Martin on Jan 26, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Moar arguments in favot of Fedor:
- Fedor’s pee doesn’t glow in the dark
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by Ubernoober on Jan 26, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Does mine? Wait, I must experiment…
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by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
This is trolling. I thought you were above that.
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by Rundownloser on Jan 26, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor has the better chin, heart, pain tolerance and most likely overall grappling as well.
They both have excellent defensive guards but Fedor has the more active submission game and better judo while Overeem has the better clinch and wrestling.
by Super Dingus on Jan 26, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Arguments in favor of Overeem:
-Better striker than Fedor
-Better grappler than Fedor
-Much larger than Fedor
-Not as susceptible to bleeding/cutsArguments in favor of Fedor:
-He sometimes lands big punches on guys with bad chins
I still can’t get past your claim about 20 posts up that carwin “annihilated” gonzaga.
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by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
You're losing this fight, son.
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by Damon O. on Jan 26, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The brown cat got a sick grown game. Watch him pull guard and sweep the withe cat.
I really need my mma fix.
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by spectaa on Jan 26, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Rec'd like a sumbitch
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
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by Blackout612 on Jan 26, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
True story: My work had put me up in a posh hotel for a conference, and I brought my wife along to spend the weekend. We were watching TV late at night, and some movie about Indian princes fighting over a woman came on; it was Showtime erotica-drama, like Skinamax for women. So, my wife wants to watch it and I wasn’t in the mood to argue. One scene near the end, the female lead gets naked and climbs into bed with the prince, who grabs her and flips her over so that he’s on top. Supposed to be very exciting, etc. I suddenly sit bolt up-right and declare “NICE sweep!”
I got such a look from my wife.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Hahaha I marked out in the new Sherlock Holmes movie when he armbarred the giant French guy
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 27, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody in here (at least the vast majority) thinks that Overeem has no chance. He does, like any other fighter, get to throw punches and kicks at Fedor’s head. In short, they’re fighting. One could land and end Fedor’s night.
Ok, now getting that out of the way, how do you judge the fighter’s potential to win? You look at the caliber of their opponents and their record, you look at their fights for their physical aptitudes, and you infer certain capabilities based on an idea of their abilities, having mastered certain martial arts.
Overeem isn’t the fighter he was back in the pride days. He’s much bigger (sterioids? not my call, but a possibility) and he’s moved into arguably the weakest division. He’s not beating amazing competition, but he’s not losing either. He looks good; physical and animated… who didn’t see the gif from the Thompson fight where he flew out of the ring? He’s bigger than Fedor. So he has a chance people.
But he is not favored to win. And he can’t be favored to win. Fedor hasn’t lost since the cut (maybe Arona before that?) and he’s faced some great fighters. Some not so great too, but Overeem has fought some not-so-great fighters too that kinda balances. So what we’re looking at is potential ability. To think Overeem can overcome the record, one has to infer a great deal about his potential abilities.
This is, I think, is why Coenen thinks Overeem can win the fight. She’s so involved with the guy that she’s using her creativity to wildly infer and predict scenarios where Overeem wins. And those scenarios do exist. But Fedor’s history, his speed/hips/power and his dominance have to account for him being the favorite.
While both Fedor and Overeem are beating bad fighters over the past two years, Overeem is destroying them flawlessly while Fedor comes close to losing almost every single time. It’s not hard to make the inference.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Why not? It’s clearly when Overeem had his remarkable “changes”. When talking about the Fedor of today against the Overeem of today, the previous two years are pretty much the only ones that are most relevant.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Because nothing about the last fights he’s had say that he’s gotten anything but bigger. How can you infer how he’s going to do against a top 10 heavyweight when he hasn’t fought one? I can’t figure you out; you might be trolling, but you also might be so convinced you’re right that you can’t think rationally.
If you’re not down with rationality, welcome to the club, but sometimes it helps.
Look, you really, really think that Overeem should be the favorite? Then you could make a killing betting. Economic Darwinism.
And, as a parting shot, “pretty much the only ones that are most relevant.” is a hell of a statement.
The inferences I have about Overeem beating Fedor are:
Overeem has a diverse muay thai skillset that has allowed him to compete at the highest level in striking competitions. He’s solid at range and in the clinch and doesn’t neglect his defense (like Arlovski or Rogers). Fedor’s striking defense is pretty bad, and his one weapon is a looping windmill that has really only been successful against guys with questionable chins.
Overeem has great submission wrestling with some of the best submission defense in the sport. Fedor is known for his subs, but just like his big punch those wins have come against questionable competition.
Fedor’s top game, which he used to pound on Nog back in the day, would be much more relevant if he hadn’t more recently been mounted by Brett Rogers or taken down by a middleweight. That implies that his wrestling has been completely neglected.
The old Overeem’s primary weakness was cardio/heart against fighters who could weather the storm while answering and frustrating him until he broke mentally. Fedor has not shown himself to be that kind of fighter recently, merely surviving instead of fighting back until getting his one good hit in to end it. Without that kind of constant pressure, I don’t see Overeem wilting like he used to.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
You mean his stellar kickboxing record
of 5-4?
Or assuming he loses to Fedor if he ever gets his ass to a piss cup and fights in the U.S., will we then point to his MMA record and look at the losses he’s had? I can tell you now, they’re 3 to decision, 6 to (T)KO, and 2 to submission. His biggest MMA wins have been Vitor Belfort and…. that’s about it. He’s 1-1 with Kharitonov and beat a long-past-his-prime Vovchanchyn. After that we’re really scraping for quality wins… Paul Buentello, Mark Hunt… not exactly world beaters.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 26, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
His recent (and thus relevant) kickboxing record is 4-2, with losses against Hari and Bonjasky and wins over Hari, Aerts and Texeira. That’s nothing at all to sneeze at and likely better than any other heavyweight mixed martial artist would fare.
I’ve addressed just about every single other point in your argument elsewhere in this discussion so feel free to read up on why you’re wrong.
by George Lucas on Jan 26, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Shit man
I absolutely would favor Fedor over Megareem, but GL has me thinking. I’ve thought about it before, but not in-depth. AO has beaten 3 legends of kickboxing and taken another to decision in Bonjasky. I don’t think Fedor could do that. Does it have to do with muscle? Maybe…. AO does like to throw opponents down in a kickboxing match.
But we also know that for some reason Fedor likes to tackle an opponent’s strength in fights, i.e. the ground with Nog and striking with Cro Cop. Yes, Fedor should win an MMA fight with Alistair Overeem, but if he wants to kickbox with the Demolition Man he could very well lose.
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by Anthony Pace on Jan 27, 2010 4:22 AM EST up reply actions
that’s not far fetched at all, Fedor could possibly lose if he stays on the feet, Overeem is for sure the better kickboxer out of the two, in a K1 bout I would probably pick him over Fedor. But in MMA? I just don’t see it going down. Fedor poses a lot of problems for Overeem, for one Fedor has a great chin, and Overeem never really KO’d someone who had one. His fight against Chuck is also proof that he’s subjected to the overhand that Fedor loves to throw. On the ground there is no comparison, Fedor is the much better grappler . But aside from the technical aspects of who is better, his major flaw lies in his mental game, even GL pointed that out by saying:
The old Overeem’s primary weakness was cardio/heart against fighters who could weather the storm while answering and frustrating him until he broke mentally.
while true, I’m not so sure the new Overeem does not have this problem as he has not faced good fighters since he got bigger. His mental game is weak, and I’d argue that the mental game usually does not change and Overeem would still be subjected to it. Fedor does not have this problem, he doesn’t even show any type of emotion at all in the ring, and the mental state is 90% of the game.
Perhaps this is the problem Overeem has, he’s definitely a gifted athlete but mentally he’s not up to the challenges, he always succumbed to good athletes.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
Fedor has a great chin, and Overeem never really KO’d someone who had one.
He stopped Badr Hari. With cushion gloves on too.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 27, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well it is safe to say the power would translate better with the small gloves.
I agree with almost everything you have been arguing (for the record), but Overeem does have every chance to KO Fedor with the power he has shown in K1
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 27, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
All 31 fights
of Fedor’s record, there has been the doubters and the haters. I’ve had the frustrating pleasure of debating with the haters for at least 18 of those fights. I’ve been watching him since around 2003. And since then I’ve always argued with the people who say he will lose. It’s a tense moment before the fight.. I’m always afraid that the person who argued was right, that Fedor may finally lose. But nope.. for the past 7 years, Fedor has won all of those fights.
By now I’m not even worried. After watching him so long, I’m convinced he’s not going to lose. It’s like a law of physics. Anyone who’s been a fan or has at least been watching him since then should feel the same.
FYI
For anyone confused while reading these comments—
No, Brett Rogers never mounted Fedor Emelianenko.
I thought the fight was over at this point. It would’ve been over for anyone else, pshh.. not Fedor.
I that gif just adds to the Fedor argument.
Only three of Roger’s punches landed well, hardly nice gnp.
Also, the gif is in slow motion, even then Fedor was in a bad position for 17 seconds.
you only count three?
I count 8, and that gif is only a mirror of what happened throughout the fight up until the end. in a rematch I’d still pick Fedor, and I don’t really give much of a chance to anyone in SF to beat him, but Rogers deserves his props for what he accomplished against Fedor.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
What’s crazy is Fedor looks like he’s letting Brett T-off on him so that he can set up the submission.
Crazy.
I think A knee from Ubereem could KTFO Fedor. Fedor is still the favorite to win the fight tho.
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by Thats It For you! on Jan 27, 2010 9:02 AM EST reply actions
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