Dana White on ESPN: Brock Lesnar Will Face the Winner of Frank Mir vs Shane Carwin This Summer
by Kid Nate on Jan 20, 2010 1:08 PM EST
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Dana White announced on ESPN's SportsCenter today that Brock Lesnar will return to the UFC.
Lesnar has been given a clean bill of health by his doctors.
Lesnar will face the winner of the Shane Carwin vs Frank Mir fight at UFC 111 -- which Dana confirmed will be for the UFC Heavyweight Interim Championship belt.
But White added, if the winner of the Mir/Carwin fight is hurt and unable to fight Lesnar this summer, than Lesnar will face the winner of UFC 110's Cain Velasquez/Antonio Rodrigo Nogeira fight.
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WAR LESNARRRR!!!!!
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m not sure how I feel about a third Mir fight so soon, I want the fight to happen, but I just don’t like it that fast.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions
I agree
beating Kongo wasn’t that impressive, given that Cheick can’t beat top competition. If Carwin wins, I think he gets the shot given that they booked the fight last fall.
I wanna see Mir/Nog II before Mir/Lesnar III.
I wouldn't like that either
The champ would be on his 5th fight and 3 of them against Mir… just doesn’t sound intriguing to me.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
by Orcus on Jan 20, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If Mir didn’t have that spectacular victory over Kongo I’d agree.
While it may be soon, if he does beat Carwin in a similar fashion, it would be hard to deny him the opportunity.
And given the fact that I doubt Mir will be able to handle Brock’s ground game again, the winner of Cain-Nog (hopefully Nog) will be an even greater challenge for Brock.
If Brock can ground and pound Mir again and then beat Nog in a similar fashion, he will have secured his undeniable position as the #2 heavyweight. (Most people have him #3 or #2 often with Nog being #2 even though I believe Brock is #2 right now.)
If Mir beats Carwin which is the “Grey Hulk” to Brocks “Green Hulk” and combining that with his new weight gain… this fight is very easy to sell and it definately becomes interesting especially with the carwin win.
in terms of hyrdological engineering
that’s my understanding at least. Doesn’t really translate to the cage…so far!
by some schmuck in texas on Jan 20, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whatever
let lesnar finish him off so we can all move on with our lives
just 'cause you pour syrup on shit, don't make it pancakes
by imnotjohnlong on Jan 20, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I hope it's Big Nog
He doesn’t have that much time before JDS comes knocking on the door.
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
Staph infection or not
Mir beating him is problematic.
I'm fine with them giving Nog a rematch with Mir
if they are winners in their upcoming bouts, but since Brock has to fight somebody I just don’t want it to be Mir
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
I understand not wanting to see the fight twice, but Mir Lesnar III is going to be the biggest selling fight ever.
thrice :p
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
by Orcus on Jan 20, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s not the first time I’ve written twice. I’ve seen both. I must be blocking one from my mind.
I feel like all the fights are different though.
1. Brock is physical beast but inexperienced and gets caught.
2. Although Mir makes a few inroads standing, Brock’s size athleticism and improved strategy/sub defense is overwhelming.
3. Mir’s improved size may improve nullify Lesnar’s strength. Is Brock still in peak condition.
While anything is possible in a fight..
The odd’s will always favor Brock over Mir. Strength on it’s own and the fact that Brock is the better wrestler is going to dictate their fight. The ONLY way Mir ever wins a fight against Brock is to “catch” him with something.. He won’t bully or dominate Lesnar..
Mir doesn’t have the tools or the strength to dominate a guy like Lesnar..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
He has better offensive boxing
but Lesnar’s reach and quick reflexes combined with Mir’s plodding footwork and sub-par head movement are enough to compensate.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Mir doesn’t have the tools or the strength to dominate a guy like Lesnar..
by Steve4192 on Jan 20, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Does Mir’s increased strength partially nullify Lesnar?
Is Lesnar as strong post illness?
Those are the key questions for a rematch.
Mir will not win because of the added muscle/mass.
Lesnar will still clown him in the transition game, because his technique is superior in controlling the terrain of the fight. Even with the odds evened in the size department, Lesnar still out-classes Mir in the transition game, which is more important than how deadly Frank is off his back.
Frank’s improvement, thus far, seems to be in his striking game. He’s a little more fluid than he used to be, and he’s added quite a lot of power. But again, Brock will control where the fight takes place, so even this significant improvement is minimized by Brock’s superior technique on the ground.
Frank’s taken big steps, but the real work needs to come in the wrestling department. If he can bring that part of his game up to the point where he can at least present some problems to Brock in the transitions, then he’s got a real shot at bringing him down. Otherwise, see Lesnar/Mur II.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
I agree
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Jan 20, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I would scrap the interim belt
just make it Mir vs. Carwin for #1 contender’s.
except that they promoted a title fight, fighters started training for a title fight, people bought tickets for a title fight, sponsors agreed to pay for a title fight…
by Phildo on Jan 20, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
yeah
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 20, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
NO way
The more 5 round fights, the better! Why are you complaining?
by PHISH NATION on Jan 20, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
5 rounds is one of the least important reasons.
Also, there was no way chuck/wandy was going to decision.
Chuck and Wandy at the time of their fight?
A combined 14 decisions.
Mir and Carwin?
A combined 2 career decisions.
nice tid bit
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
huh? i agreed that this should remain for the interim title. i like the 5-rounders
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 20, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Shit happens neither mir nor carwin deserve to be champ over Brock. Whats the point just make it #1 contenders.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
I just listed 4 points. How would you feel if you bought tickets to a card with 2 title fights, and they just took one of the title fights away. No injury, same fighters, just no belt?
How about if you were Frank mir and you were told you were getting to fight for a belt and then told that you weren’t?
Or if you were Mir’s sponsor and you agreed to pay him x because he was fighting for a title and now he isn’t fighting for a title?
And they aren’t champ over brock, brock still has his belt.
by Phildo on Jan 20, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, if I paid to see Mir/Carwin, I wouldn’t care if there was a belt on the line or not. It’s still the same fight and it’s still a good one. 5 rounds are cool, but probably uncessary here. The interim belt… ma… doesn’t matter.
that’s you. If it didn’t matter to the majority of people there would never be interim belts, and they wouldn’t have made this for an interim belt when they did.
by Phildo on Jan 20, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
when you buy a ticket it says clear as day Card subject to change. you know going in they nothing is guaranteed
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
So because of that you should do things to piss off the people that buy tickets? Changing a card due to injury is one thing. Just changing the card because you can is something entirely different.
by Phildo on Jan 20, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Taking away a BS belt to begin with because the champ is back healthy and can defend is logical
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
except for the reasons i mentioned above, but i guess those don’t matter.
by Phildo on Jan 20, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's a moot point anyway
the Mir/Carwin fight won’t make it out of the first round, much less the 3rd.
by dugmouth on Jan 20, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, lets be fair.
You’re saying that they should create an interim belt only because they said they would before, even though it would be no more than a cheap gimmick now that we know when Brock will return. Changing this to a non-title fight preserves the integrity of the sport and the prestige of being a champion. It’s the right decision to make from a sporting perspective. You’re advocating prioritizing marketing over the sport.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
they shouldn’t create it now.
It’s ALREADY been created. They ALREADY sold out a stadium by promising 2 title fights. Fighters ALREADY agreed to fight for a title. Fighters ALREADY began training for a title fight and negotiating with sponsors to get paid as if they are fighting in a title fight.
You can’t undo all of that. It’s already done. and what else is a title but a marketing tool?
by Phildo on Jan 20, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The belt is not created.
Nobody holds it. They announced a LW title fight on UFC 41, but nobody won a belt. It did not exist before the event nor after. There is no interim HW belt right now.
And as for the “promise” of another title fight… they say the card is subject to change. They don’t “promise” a single thing. The announced card is nothing more than the current plan, and any ticket buyer/holder knows that. You want to know the exact card? Buy tickets the day of.
As for the sponsorship agreements, the major agreements are already in place (Ecko for Mir, not sure of Carwin’s primary) with stipulations for pay based on the fight. Pay for untelevised, higher pay for televised, higher for co-main, higher for main, highest for title fight. The less significant sponsors (MusclePharm, Cash for Gold, etc…) don’t finalize deals until a few weeks before a fight anyways, and even if they did, they tend to do a similar tiered pay system.
The training is the only issue you raise that’s would be relevant but the way this was handled, it isn’t. As it stands, they have 9 weeks warning. That’s longer than a standard training camp. They will still get a full training camp with time to prepare and gameplan for a 3 round fight.
And a UFC belt is a reflection of who is the most dominant fighter in the world at a given weight class. HW is the only division where that’s not true right now, but it still brings prestige and is both a physical and ethereal reward for outstanding accomplishment in a sport.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
People need to stop with this “card subject to change” shit. Because it’s shit. “Oh, we can lie to you, so we’re going to do it, sorry suckers.” Is a terrible way of doing business. You don’t change the card unless you have to.
Now, sponsors. Do you really think that a fighter gets paid the same no matter what? If the sponsorship amount doesn’t change based on PPV placement, main event status, and title status, whoever signed the agreement is a moron. It makes a difference whether or not the fight is for the belt, you saying it doesn’t has no bearing on that.
They are not going to take away a title match to please you and piss off the fighters, sponsors, and people that bought tickets. It’s done.
wow… so instead of getting a 5 round contender fight with this excellent fight you want everything scratched because of a shiny piece of metal…
This is as stupid as complaining about a bottle of whine you got on house because part of the label was torn.
Close your eyes and pretend there’s no belt. Switch the channel when Dana wraps it around the winner…. this ridiculous shit.
by mmalogic on Jan 20, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
To logic: Was that meant for me?
I don’t care if it’s interim title or not. At all. I’d be happy either way. I was explaining to Phildo why it doesn’t (or shouldn’t) matter anyways. I’m more than happy to see this be a 3 rounder, especially since I have no faith in Mir’s cardio and no information about Carwin’s. Long story short, either you replied to the wrong person or totally misunderstood what I was saying.
To Phildo:
People need to stop with this "card subject to change" shit. Because it’s shit. "Oh, we can lie to you, so we’re going to do it, sorry suckers." Is a terrible way of doing business. You don’t change the card unless you have to.
Now, sponsors. Do you really think that a fighter gets paid the same no matter what? If the sponsorship amount doesn’t change based on PPV placement, main event status, and title status, whoever signed the agreement is a moron. It makes a difference whether or not the fight is for the belt, you saying it doesn’t has no bearing on that.
They are not going to take away a title match to please you and piss off the fighters, sponsors, and people that bought tickets. It’s done.
Card is subject to change because it is. This isn’t like Japanese orgs putting random guys on posters to sell an event or TNA advertising Lashley just to have him show up in the crowd. The interim belt was based on being unsure of Brock’s medical status and had to structure the short-term future of the league accordingly. Their only issue was announcing an interim belt prematurely.
For the sponsors… what are you talking about? I clearly said they get paid different amounts. I can tell you for a fact that’s the standard in sponsorship contracts and rarely isn’t implemented. I’m unsure of what you are trying to say? Are you mad that the UFC gave them an opportunity for a big pay day on the interim belt, and now they are only given the opportunity for a slightly lower pay day followed by a fucking massive one against Brock?
And what’s with this “they will not…” BS? They can, might, and likely will unless the bout agreements are already signed stating that it’s guaranteed to be an interim title fight. Even then, they might offer a new bout agreement with higher pay or bonuses to prevent the creation of what many fans will see as an illegitimate belt and damage the brand.
Lastly, like I said before, I don’t care if it’s for an interim title or not. the interim title would have been meaningless unless Brock retired. The sponsors are likely ok with the fact that the same fight is going on, but they don’t need to pay extra for it. People who bought tickets to see Mir fight Carwin to be the UFCs #2 guy still get to see Mir fight Carwin to see who is the UFCs #2 guy. I doubt many people bought tickets just because the words “interim title” were on a poster, the names GSP and Frank Mir mean much more.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Block quote fail.
How do I always fuck those up? Two paragraphs after the block quote were also Phildo, for those who don’t just look up at what he wrote.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I don’t’ know what the hell you’re saying about sponsors. The sponsors will either pay less because it isn’t a title fight pissing off the fighters, or they will pay the same and not get what they paid for, and be pissed themselves, either way, someone is getting screwed.
My whole point is that it isn’t as simple as “brock is back, no title.” Plans, promises, payments and contracts were made based on the fact that the fight was for a title. WE know that the interim title means nothing, but once again, WE are irrelevant to what matters. You can say the title doesn’t matter all you want, but it does. If it didn’t matter, they wouldn’t have made the title in the first place.
the main point is, look at UFC 108 and Strikeforce Miami. Look how hard it is to actually put on a card. There are enough obstacles to have a card without adding any additional one’s.
Can they take away the title? Yes, but why? What are the benefits? Do they come close to outweighing the issues that come up in just leaving it the way it is? they advertised something, they booked something, they can still do that thing. Why change it?
Let me clarify. Numbers are hypothetical
Let’s say Mir gets 10k for a main card fight from Ecko. He probably gets 12k for co-main, 14k for main, and 15k if it’s for a title. These numbers would be hard-coded into his contract. These are numbers agreed upon already. Mir and Ecko both know that the payment is reliant on the whims of UFC decision making, and the contract wouldn’t have been negotiated on the basis of this announcement alone. Nobody is getting screwed, they are getting exactly what they negotiated and contracted for. Think of it as being paid hourly, planning to cover somebody else’s shift and pick up extra hours for overtime pay, then being told that management found somebody else to take the shift at standard pay rate. You’re not getting extra, but you’re not getting F’d in the A either.
I don’t understand the promises thing you keep saying. Nobody made a promise of anything. Unless the bout agreement specifically stipulated that it was a five round fight for an interim title, then there is no obligation by the UFC. And if it does say that, they can buy out that contract in lieu of a new one, which would require Mir and Carwin’s willing participation. If either didn’t like it, they could refuse.
For the why change it… because it’s bad branding. The UFC is little more than a marketing company. The interim title will dilute their branding and weaken their greatest marketing tools: the undisputed heavyweight title and Brock Lesnar. To marginalize both in one fell swoop is poor business. And again, it’s meaningless from a sporting sense. Brock is considered the unstoppable number one heavyweight in the UFC. A number one contenders fight (the current plan) tells us who the number two is. An interim title does the same thing, but confuses casual fans by implying they might be the best already. It’s not good from a sporting or promotional standpoint. I honestly can not understand why you are so outraged by this.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
What promises? The advertising, the bout agreements all of that. Yes, the UFC changes shit all of the time, but usually because they HAVE to. They don’t have to do anything here, why arbitrarily change things because they can?
Damaging the brand? the brand of the undisputed HW title that brock won while other people were fighting for interim belt and the only time he defended it was also in a champion vs champion match? That really hurt the branding of UFC 100.
Taking away the belt does more harm than good. If they scheduled Mir/Carwin today, would it be for the belt? No. But they didn’t schedule it today. Taking away the belt has so many more cons than pros that it would be stupid to even think about doing.
and why do you think taking that 1k out of the fighter’s pockets won’t make a difference?
If I say, I’ll give you 5k to do x, then you end up doing the same thing but I say, well, I’m only giving you 4k, you’re going to be pissed, that’s what i mean about the sponsors being an issue.
What Phildo is saying:
It makes a shit load more of a difference for the fighters, sponsors, promotion and ticket holders then the morons on the interwebs pissing and moaning about a shiny metal object.
Its a shit load of things to change for a minor glare the belt will cause on your TV – so suck it up and go whine about something more important.
by mmalogic on Jan 20, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Last time I will say this, since it's getting tiring.
There. Was. No. Promise. There was a plan made based on uncertainty of Lesnar’s medical situation. There is now certainty. The world changed, the UFC’s plan changed.
The last interim belt was created since Randy tried to run off with the real one. There was no hope of it being defended any time soon. Just like when Mir got injured and they didn’t know when he was coming back, the interim existed to fill a void and become the true title once it was clear that Frank was not returning any time soon. This was a virtually identical situation, but now we know Brock is coming back in about 6 months. These events aren’t in a vacuum, there are circumstances.
And splitting the belt again, right after the fustercluck is resolved, is a bad decision. Just because it has been done out of necessity before doesn’t mean it’s a good idea now.
The fighters are not doing the same thing though. 5 rounds vs. 3 rounds. Belt vs. no belt. Different situations, and they already have contracts in place for either one. And they are not robbing the fighters of anything. They aren’t demanding they turn over extra money they earn. I’m done with this argument, we clearly aren’t going to agree, and I believe that every single point of yours is totally wrong. No point in us talking to walls any longer.
To logic: I’m not pissing and moaning about anything, dude. I’m fine if it stays a title, I’m fine if it doesn’t. It makes no difference to me. Phildo just has extremely poor reasoning going on right now. Fighters aren’t getting screwed, they just aren’t getting a bonus. Ticket holders are told things may change, and now they are changing. Sponsors negotiate based on the idea that the UFC (and any promotion/combat sport) is a fickle beast, and prepare for these things. It’s not nearly as significant of an issue as he’s making it out to be.
Can you explain your stance on it? I’m kinda confused about your replies to me, and context would help.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
So if you’re right then why isnt Zuffa changing it? because Zuffa isnt as smart as you?
No because you’re wrong. It’s a simple concept.
Your saying it’s a good idea to change things now with this new information, and in reality it’s not. It’s as simple as that. Unless one of them gets injured and cant train for a five round fight it makes no sense to change things at this point.
People over estimate how much an interim title “messes things up” when in reality there’s little to no side effects, with many positive ones.
by mmalogic on Jan 20, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why are you so aggressive all the time?
I didn’t say I’m smarter than Zuffa. Nor did I say what the should do, only the reasoning behind what they can and may do. Whatever comes about will work just fine. I’m saying that Phildo’s outrage is misplaced and misguided and that if the UFC changes things, it’s neither a good nor abhorrently bad decision.
I don’t understand why you are throwing up straw men against me when we aren’t even having an argument. And are you actually attacking me for defending Zuffa? Holy shit!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I just wanted to say I enjoyed your argument. I agree with Phildo and rec’d his original statement, but you made great counter-arguments, and I was intrigued, just not swayed.
by Benjamin Smart on Jan 20, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you, sir.
I loves me some spirited debate, and even if you remain unconvinced, I’m happy you considered the other side of things.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
How can you say I’m wrong though?
You’ve admitted that the fighters will be getting less from sponsors if it’s not a title fight. How is that not a problem? Will they be doing less work, maybe, but that still doesn’t mean they’re going to be happy about it.
Would you be pissed off if you showed upf or work and your boss said, “you just got a week of unpaid time off starting right now, congratulations, go home.” you’d get less money, but you wouldn’t be doing the work, so who cares? Is that a real idea? You’re admitting that there are problems but saying that they aren’t problems, when in reality they are.
If they weren’t problems, there would be no interim belt in the first place. If the belt doesn’t mean anything to the fighters, why wouldn’t they say, “screw the belt, lets just fight” if it doesn’t mean anything in promotion, why put it on the poster?
What is wrong with some of you?
What part of “Card subject to change” don’t you people understand???
P*ssing off customers or not, the UFC can do this….why? BECAUSE THEY CAN! It’s Dana and Zuffa’s Event/Show and they can do whatever needs to be done given the circumstances.
The term “Card subject to Change” isn’t exclusive to the UFC, you know….BOXING, WWE, and other sports give out the SAME DISCLAIMER.
Relax…..
If he’s that healthy then he should fight in march right? I doubt he is ready to defend the belt just yet
by KING FEDOR on Jan 20, 2010 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brock is Wolverine CONFIRMED.
WAR BROCK
by Polyh3dron on Jan 20, 2010 11:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
UFC – At followup visit, doctors were “dumbfounded” that Brock’s stomach had healed completely; Brock calls it a miracle.
ufcs twitter
Did he really say “god bless god”? My nose just started bleeding…
The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run. Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering BROCKLESNAR; to the last I grapple with thee.
by judonerd on Jan 20, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
i think somewhere a parallel universe was destroyed
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 20, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
If Carwin beats Mir, do Carwin vs Lesnar as originally planned. But if Mir wins
they should put in the winner of Nog vs Cain vs Lesnar.
I’d hate to see another Serra/GSP type deal, where the champ sits out for over a year only to come back and fight the very same guy he just fought and beat for the belt.
Like somebody said above, if Brock fights Mir right away that will mean fighting Mir is 3/5 of his career LOL.
"they should put in the winner of Nog vs Cain vs Lesnar."
Just to be clear, I mean that the winner of Nog/Cain should fight Brock if Mir beats Shane.
Side Note he didnt look no smaller his arms are fucking huge
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Really... do you have super widescreen?
Because he barely look a little bigger than Dana nestled right next to him. And Dana is 5’10. 225 lbs!
by SimplePsych on Jan 20, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I used to hate Brock Lesnar but I think I love him now...
Seriously, it would have been a HUGE blow for MMA if he was to retire!
Welcome back Brock :D
Lesnar = ratings
This just made everything come up roses for UFC. A Mir/Lesnar pt 3 isn’t that bad. I would love to see Carwin/Lesnar because it’s a better of 2 people who fight the same way. Lesnar/Nog would just be frickin awesome. UFC has a lot of options, and either way, they win overall
welll this great beacause now once brock at top form this summer he is going to defeat carwin this summer. becauyse carwins gone knockout mir pretty easily
sigh*........ here comes the single sentence conjecture bias theories
by SimplePsych on Jan 20, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
With no capitalization and very little punctuation. And lots of misspellings.
Don’t forget those.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Hypothetical
Read the headline of my post to know where this is coming from but I have a question for someone who would know more about this than I do, but say that NY passes their legislation to regulate MMA early this year, would there be enough time to have Lesnar headline in MSG in say July and open NY with a bang?
im sure regardless of when its legal in NY and the Garden is booked Brock will be the Main Event
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Eat a salad, Broccoli Snar
just had to get that in there. Dietary fiber is very important! You know that now.
by some schmuck in texas on Jan 20, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions
haha that dude tried to argue with me the other day when i called him out on his “sources”
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Show me where Botter ever confirmed 100% that Brock was 220.
by ufc4 on Jan 20, 2010 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep Canadian Health Care was the closest thing to dethroning Lesnar.
I hear Jimmy Ambriz is available now so we have another option in the mix…
where have you been?
I heard about the planned TUF for Abu Dhabi only… I guess you were right about that one.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 20, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Zelaznik is also talking about a show in Italy..
Zuffa bitches are forgetting about the Philippines.. (yeah im still bitter) haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 20, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Philippines will happen… asia will be a major focul point.
Improve your internet lines… economies will be highly dependent on the strength of their lines. Look at South Korea – That’s the gold standard. It will be more valuable than physical transportation lines and routes.
There’s nothing more important for third and second world countries in the coming age… this will be the great equalizer.
Comcast just launched “TV Everywhere”… they know what’s happening.
improve on your internet lines? I don’t get what you mean.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 20, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
He called the PI a 3rd world country that needs to improve their telecommunications. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 20, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
that's the only thing I got from it too,
haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 20, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
No, The size of your middle class will be greatly determined by the effectiveness of your lines. And the size of your middle class greatly determines sponsor investments and in turn Content Produces like Zuffa to cater to your market.
Philippines is a second world country, not third… However, the good news is it’s part of an emerging region with it’s own emerging dynamics…. so get your lines up to par and you’re country will ride the wave alot better.
If everyone has to stop eating food for 60 days… it’s worth it – get the lines and there’s a huge pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
I'll be sure to talk to the President about it..
whatever it takes for me to see a UFC event here. haha :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 20, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
why do you sound serious about that line?
haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 20, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
i've figured it out
mmalogic = Sterling Archer
“It’s only the tip.”
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 20, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
NO Worries...
KOTC will be coming to Manila in April. They will host a show in Canada, Australia, US, Japan and the PI next year. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 20, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
KOTC in 2011?
Their site says april, they can’t even spell right, “Manilla. Philapines”…
But good news, I guess… or not, I’m not sure.. cause they’ll probably bring a bunch of guys the casuals have never ever heard off, then if it wouldn’t sell as much, it might turn off the Zuffa guys..
They’ll probably rake in the guys who regularly go to URCC events, but if they don’t market it well and bring in some names, or some of the top local talent, I doubt the regular ‘UFC’ fan would watch. And I worry that people/sponsors/zuffa will say “see, they don’t love MMA that much”.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 20, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
mir beats carwin easily in first round by a submission. first two minutes
the man is on a mission and would not take a chance of getting hurt. then we have lesnar/mir III. ppv heaven for ufc. count on it.
i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 20, 2010 2:28 PM EST reply actions
I just want to know
How soon do I get to see Dos Santos test Lesnar’s chin?
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
That sounds about right...
…though I think of all the fighters in the HW division, he has the best set of tools to give Lesnar fits.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I still think Carwin and Nog can dethrone him if they get to fight him, we’ll see though. I’m just glad he’s back!
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
If Carwin cant beat Mir and Nog cant beat Cain then how are they likely to dethrone Lesnar?
In the UFC we get to find out who is the probable best because guys actually fight real opponents.
No matter what the matchmaking, or who gets the title shot now, the best always rises to the top in the UFC and the WEC.
I know Lesnar sold himself well among most fans, I do not believe his hype though. That’s why I bank on either Nog or Carwin dethroning him next :p
Pain is Temporary
Pride is Forever
I’m really high on Dos Santos, and drool over the possibility of a matchup with Lesnar. Of course its possible that Brock’s power and speed just overwhelms him, but I think his nasty technical striking and BJJ is a great combo.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
“Unbeknownst to me, I was feeling sick.”
BROCKLESNARRR not only can’t feel pain; He can’t tell that he’s sick EVEN when he feels sick!
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jan 20, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions
Damn you people.
Stop typing BROCKLESNARRR, I keep scaring my dog when I yell it and laugh.
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