Strikeforce Miami: Bobby Lashley + Herschel Walker = All Sizzle, No Steak?
by Nate Wilcox on Jan 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST
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Jake Rossen addresses the odd Bobby Lashley situation, wherein the Florida Athletic Commission refused to sanction the bout he approved (against Yohan banks) and he won't sign the bout they did approve (Jimmy Armbriz):
Now the word is that Strikeforce, which hoped to debut Lashley on its Jan. 30 show, is having trouble matching Lashley with an opponent that would satisfy the questionable need to keep scaffolding around him -- the "building" of a 33-year-old collegiate grappler in a sport he would already seem to have the upper hand in. In a surprising bit of temerity for frequently oblivious athletic commissions, the state of Florida dismissed Strikeforce's request to match Lashley against 2-1 Yohan Banks, a man who may as well come with a chain from which to dangle him from the ceiling. As of Monday, the search for an opponent continues.
Fairly or not, both (Brock) Lesnar and (Joe) Warren have raised the bar for what's expected in recruited wrestlers. Lashley shying away from major talent isn't obscene, but a seeming preference to devour hapless opponents is. There's a middle tier of opposition that could test Lashley without sandbagging him. He's gotten his warm-ups. It's time to perform.
Meanwhile Herschel Walker's teammates at American Kickboxing Academy are insisting to Ariel Helwani that the 47 year old former pro-football star is ready for his pro MMA debut on the same card:
Bobby Southworth and Luke Rockhold have worked closely with Herschel Walker to help get the former NFL star ready for his Strikeforce debut on Jan. 30 in Sunrise, Fla. And while Walker is a teammate of theirs at the American Kickboxing Academy in San Jose, Calif., you truly get the sense from talking to them that Walker's rapid maturation as a fighter has been nothing short of remarkable.
My view is that a promotion, especially one in Strikeforce's position has got to strike a balance between high profile but relatively insignificant fights like the ones featuring Lashley and Walker and the truly compelling sporting matches like say Diaz vs Zaromskis or Jay Hieron's bout.
In my ever so humble opinion, I think that Strikeforce has gone too far in the direction of emphasizing the freak show matches. My suggestion would be to put Walker and Lashley in the cage against each other. Kill two birds with one stone. At the end of the day they'll still have one heavyweight that draws attention above and beyond what their MMA accomplishments merit.
Sergio Non interviews Lashley and it sounds like he's willing to fight Armbriz:
When is this going to be a done deal as far as knowing who you're going to fight in a couple of weeks?
I think this new guy is a done deal. I just heard this morning of this guy. If they told me it is, then it is. The only reason I said that before is because my opponent was switched and changed several times to the point where I just kind of stayed out of the loop. "Tell me when we have it finished."
...
What's your impression of him?
My impression is not so much of him, my impression is what I think I can do. I'm pretty confident of what I'm going to do. Like I said, I've been training really hard.
It's not so much the opponent any more. It's how I feel and how I see it, if I feel that I'm ready. And I'm ready.
So whether it's Jimmy Ambriz, Yohan Banks, whoever else that put in there - I'm going to be ready for it.
Video interview with Southworth and Rockhold in the full entry.
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really? What makes you think the AC would approve Walker’s first fight against a guy who’s beaten Sapp, Guida, and Kerr in competition? If they couldn’t approve Yohan Banks against Lashley, theres almost 0 chance they would allow a debut against Lashley, even for a former pro athlete.
I’d rather see Lashley against a Mike Kyle, small heavyweight or against someone of the same skill set like Ron Waterman. For Walker, i have no suggestions, just try to give him a fight that doesn’t favor his style, just plays into it. And again, these are all questions that should’ve been anwswered before 2 weeks before card. This is where SF lacks experience.
Hershel Walker isn’t going anywhere in MMA, for him this is the equivalent of celebrity boxing. I’m not sure why Strikeforce is wasting any time or effort on him at all. Bobby Lashley has a lot of potential but we’ve yet to see him fully commit to MMA or to really challenge himself in the sport. You have to wonder if Lashley would drop the whole sport if the WWE gave him a call.
" I’m not sure why Strikeforce is wasting any time or effort on him at all."
You aren’t? It’s for attention, nothing more, nothing less.
by ufc4 on Jan 18, 2010 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Remember, though, Lashley left WWE, partly because of perceived racism, and partly because he wanted to fight MMA.
He’s a pro wrestler to his core, he wasn’t happy about how his girlfriend was treated but you have to wonder what he would do if he got the right offer. Heck I’m sure if TNA had more money he would work for them full time too. Lashley is a big unknown in MMA because it’s hard to tell where his heart is at in terms of the sport.
I know he’s old. But maybe you should withhold judgement until he atleast he has 1 fight, lol.
I’m sure if you knew nothing about Randy Couture and someone told you he was fighting at his age you would laugh.
by HappyLittleTreez on Jan 18, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I also like the idea of Lashley vs Herschel.
I brought that up before, and people said i was crazy.
From the comments section on a post back in November:
and also, maybe they could use Herschel vs Lashley as a headliner of a challenger series, or a strong main card, or even co-headliner of a showtime card as a way to gather attention from tons of casual fans.. (walker isn’t couture, he isn’t going to hang around much longer in MMA anyway, might as well do it to get new fans in the sport)
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Lashley has faced inexperienced, or really bad guys so far anyway.. a herschel fight will be right up his alley. Might as well get the noobs interested while he’s at it right?
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Casuals will watch because you combine a Draw in Lashley, and a name they know in Herschel… it would certainly get more attention from the casuals than Lashley vs Whitehead. (and Lashley has a huge chance to lose there)
like i said before though, if the AC wouldn’t approve Banks vs. Lashley, what makes you think they’ll approve someone who hasnt even had an amateur fight in anything?
by Austin Martin on Jan 18, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
well I wrote that months before they vetoed the Yohan Banks fight, so I didn't even consider that they would do it..
and who knows, if this was the original opponent, and they were able to show and prove that Herschel was “47 going on 22”, and was training with the top guys at AKA, maybe they’d approve it.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 18, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, its certainly interesting matchmaking. My main problem would be that besides Walker’s tae kwon do black belt and football pedigree, the only thing he truly has going for him in MMA is athleticism, and a physique. He has no wrestling experience, and i think throwing him in against a D1 champion who dominated two very experienced fighters, would be throwing a chicken to the wolves. Lashley is bigger, younger, stronger, and a much better wrestler. What that spells is that despite the nice matchmaking, it would be a ground and pound domination, which i don’t think anyone would be satisfied with for walker’s debut, especially on tv.
by Austin Martin on Jan 18, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
he wasn't a division 1 champ..
that’s Lesnar. Lashley was a NAIA champ.
and will a rookie, but AKA trained, Walker be less competitive than an out of shape, also old (39), 14-12 guy who probably hasn’t started training since a few days ago? I can’t say that’s a definite yes.
At this point, Lashley vs Herschel makes even more sense since the casuals would be more interested in that fight.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 18, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny how much more competitive Walker's fight is compared to Lashley's
I can honestly say that I don’t know who will win the Walker fight. Lashley is just going to beat up some poor can. Who’s got the better attitude towards the sport? Walker may be old, but at least it’s a real fight. Lashley refuses to step up.
It’s a little early to make that call.
Lashley’s first fight was similar to Walker’s first fight. THe problem came in the second fight, where Lashley tried to do too much too soon and got a major scare from Jason Guida. He and his management have been gunshy about taking challenging fights ever since.
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Why not just make it easy and put Herschel up against Lashley?
by JayKim41 on Jan 5, 2010 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Strikeforce wants either one of them to lose.
by PM23 on Jan 5, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/1/5/1234863/strikeforce-miami-fight-card#28240581
I thought Herschel vs Lashley was a good idea
primarily because it compresses two potentially lack luster fights into one and makes room for Heiron vs Riggs on the main card.
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i'm over it..
sick of lashley already…..fight……or leave… you can’t cherry-pick your opponentz!!
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Herschel would murk Lashley
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Perfect Solution
Nagy vs Lashley and Walker vs…….Walker!!
Nagy should be an easy enough fight for lashley to win, and who can be a better matchup for Walker than one of his other personalities. Win/Win.
by Phildo on Jan 18, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
On an unrelated note, yet another Strikeforce fighter (Luke Rockhold) admits to having no idea who he is fighting even though he is fighting next month. How difficult is it to give these guys two-months notice and let them get a proper training camp in?
I really don’t understand why Strikeforce handles all this crap at the last minute. It’s not good for their business, it’s not good for their fans, and it’s not good for their fighters.
by Steve4192 on Jan 18, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
They are taking their relationship with Dream to a new level and are booking fights just like the Japanese orgs
by MMAWrestling on Jan 18, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA NATE.....
What does any of this have to do with how the UFC is fuckin’ up???
by SidHartman on Jan 18, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA Sid
This article is CLEARLY anti-Strikeforce…join me brothers in this war against…oh wait…
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 18, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
my bad
I forgot my calling in life is to be anti-UFC!
I’ll get right back on it.
thanks for the reminder
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I can’t think of another “major” American show (in the “modern era”) to feature the level of talent of Walker, Nagy, and Ambriz. I mean, that is some low level shit there. Maybe that’s unfair to Herschel since I’ve never seen him fight. but this is pretty gross.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions
That’s what happens when you try and run a national promotion with a roster of fighters better suited to a regional show.
You forgot not just a roster of fighters better suited for regional shows but also a roster of employees suited for regional shows.
by Matthew Roth on Jan 18, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what happens when you try and run a national promotion with a roster of fighters better suited to a regional show.
I don’t think the roster is the problem.
Strikeforce has a roster chock full of fighters who are MUCH better than three guys Brent mentioned. There are any dozens of guys who could have been added to this card who would have greatly increased the competitive level.
The problem is that Strikeforce is so desperate to grab ratings that they are selling out the competitive soul of their product. Every promoter has to make decisions like this (see: Slice, Kimbo), but you can’t go so far overboard booking media magnets like Lashley and Walker that you water down the legitimacy of your product.
Having both of these guys on the same card was a major mistake IMO. Nobody is going to bitch about a freakshow here or a freakshow there, but when half of your televised card is populated by freakshows, people are going to take notice.
Strikeforce has a roster chock full of fighters who are MUCH better than three guys Brent mentioned. There are any dozens of guys who could have been added to this card who would have greatly increased the competitive level.
I agree with you there. But SF has two problems: First, it doesn’t have enough talented fighters who might draw casual interest. Second, SF doesn’t have enough quality talent period to properly fill it the amount of cards it plans on having.
And it doesn’t help that a lot of the better talent — Shields, Melendez, Thompson, Le, are based out of North California and had a big fan following in the area. That doesn’t translate as well to Miami, Chicago, or wherever else they want to go.
I think they have plenty of talent to fill their cards. Not marketable talent perhaps, but talent nonetheless.
You have to keep in mind that even though they are talking about putting on 20 shows in a year, most of those shows are Challengers cards. They have plenty of talent to fill 6-8 regular Strikeforce main cards, and finding warm bodies to fill up 12-14 Challengers cards is easy.
The problem is that Lashley & Walker are fighting on the premium Strikeforce product rather than the Challengers kiddy pool where they belong.
Right, but as you said above, they need to make tough promotional decisions. Lashley and Walker are two of the most recognizable names SF has. It needs to throw them on its cards to draw ratings and build up other fighters. The problem is SF’s best guys are not anywhere close to being it’s best fighters.
Carano-Cyborg, Fedor-Rogers and Evolution are all compelling cards their last 3 times out. The roster of fighters, the people working for the org, and the copromotional elements are ramping up fine. A Strikeforce vs Dream, Strikeforce vs M-1 Global, and a Strikeforce vs Bellator event, all of which they have agreements with, are gimmies event, and they have not even dipped into that well yet.
People are hyperventilating over Lashley, pull him until the next card and put Heiron-Riggs on the main event. Then you have a welterweight #1 contender fight, 2 title fights (Diaz-Zaromskis, Cyborg-Coenen), a middleweight contender fight in Lawler-Manhoef, and a rookie debut for Walker. 5 compelling fights and the 4th straight solid televised broadcast of their championship series.
Say what you will about Walker, he lead every local television broadcast in the Bay Area the day he signed with the org. That never happened with another Strikeforce event or signee. He has appeared on KNBR, CSNBA and was front paged on the Mercury News in the same week. That also has never happened before. Putting his debut on a main event in Miami 2 days before Super Bowl XLIII in Tampa is also a marketing coup.
Thought I should throw that in there.
The UFC would be well advised to continue buying up sub-par free agents with a touch of notoriety (e.g. Baroni). Hell, it might be worth it to pay these guys $30k a year not to fight. Or give them a contract that specifies a minimum yearly salary, with the UFC having the option of putting them on a card if needed.
I don’t doubt this is the reason for going after Arona (not saying he’s a sub-talent) because who does Mousasi fight after King Mo?
by Matthew Roth on Jan 18, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hendo
But after that I’m stumped. Maybe Rafael Cavalcante or Paulo Filho or Jeff Monson will look like legitimate contenders for a year from now? Or maybe they can book him in a catchweight rematch with Jacare? Or maybe they can sign someone else from the UFC? But that’s a lot of friggin’ maybes they have to be waiting for.
Rafael Cavalcante was mangled by Mike Kyle…did he ever come back? Hendo I guess will fight at moneyweight with King Mo? They really did fuck themselves with having him fight Babalu first…should have had him fight whitehead then Babalu…that way you can at least save the championship fight for fight #2.
by Matthew Roth on Jan 18, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rafaek Cavalcante beat Aaron Rosa in November. This is my timeline for the Strikeforce LHW belt – providing Mousasi stays with Strikeforce:
- Mousasi skips the next CBS card because there is no worthy challengers
- MW Champ Hendo challenges him for the LHW belt during the summer
- King Mo gets a couple of more fights in against the likes of Sokoudjou and Babalu. Faces winner of Mousasi/Hendo in the fall
- Rafael Cavalcante gets a Cyrille Diabate, a Mike Kyle Rematch, and Babalu. If he can go 3-0 you have your next challenger.
- Same goes for Roger Gracie, who is supposedly dropping down to LHW. If he can put together 4 or 5 wins he’s your next challenger.
- If Mousasi retains the belt and Jacare wins the MW belt you can put together a catchweight grudge match as well.
That’s the best scenario I can think of for StrikeForce at this time.
1) Mousasi will probably be gone from Strikeforce before this scenario plays out.
2) Cavalcante’s career is such a mess from his loss to Mike Kyle, that even beating him in a rematch won’t do much. He should have never lost to him in the first place.
3) Roger Gracie is completely unreliable.
1) Only if the UFC comes to an agreement with m-1 which I actually think is possible.
2) What happened that it was OK for mma fighters to lose? Liddell lost to Rampage and two fights later was up against Randy for the title. GSP lost to Matt and ever body considers it a fluke. If Cavalcante can put together 3 more solid wins, he’ll be on a four fight win streak and can be billed as a legitimate contender.
3) 100% agree
are there any free agents that are out there for strikeforce to sign after arona is gone? Mousasi vs. Sokoudjou would have been fun but his career has completely been shitcanned by poor management.
by Matthew Roth on Jan 18, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Only a couple of names:
Paulo Filho is the probably the best guy available and would be an awesome LHW (since I guess he’s officially moved up from MW) pickup. The only problem: who knows what state of mind he is in? I don’t know if SF could risk signing someone so demonstrably unreliable.
There is also the possibility that they pick up Jeff Monson who just signed with Shine. I don’t know if he has a exclusive contract with Shine, or how many fights it is for, or if SF could somehow buy off the contract but he’s a remote possibility.
The most intriguing guy to me is Alexandre “Xande” Ribeiro who fights with Sengoku. He’s only had 2 mm fights but his BJJ is ri-god-damn-diculous. So maybe they could sign him to a non-exclusive agreement.
The only other options for Strikeforce are:
1) Sign and build-up someone like Raphael Davis who’s fighting with m-1 right now. The problem: it’ll take a couple of fights to make him a legitimate contender and there’s is no guarantee he’ll actually prove to be that good.
2) Hope Dream holds a LHW tournament that crowns a Dream champion and a legitimate challenger.
3) Wait and see if any UFC fighters become available. Who knows maybe Rampage would love to sign with a company that doesn’t care if he runs off to make movies 11 out of the 12 months of a year.
Xande is a top 3 p4p submission grappler
and his two MMA wins are by KO. His striking isn’t pretty yet, but he has power and is improving. Anybody in MMA other than Jacare, Roger Gracie, Demian Maia, and Werdum should be terrified of hitting the mat with him.
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Xande has already stated intentions of staying in Japan until he’s ready for the UFC.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 18, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Right, I just like talking the guy up.
He’s nice, genuine, cheerful, and extremely talented. Any time I hear his name brought up on MMA boards, I like to throw in a good word.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 19, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Sokoudjou and Mousasi fought last year
In Strikeforce no less
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by Well Read Idiot on Jan 19, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
2) Cavalcante’s career is such a mess from his loss to Mike Kyle, that even beating him in a rematch won’t do much. He should have never lost to him in the first place.
Nonsense.
Look at some of the losses on Anderson Silva & Randy Couture, and Matt Hughes records from early in their career. Getting KO’d by a big puncher like Kyle is not a career derailing event. Shit happens in MMA.
If Feijaoi puts up a couple of big finishes in his next couple of fights, no one will remember that Kyle fight.
by Steve4192 on Jan 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
how long before Gracie gets 4-5 fights?
will be 4-5 years.
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by Well Read Idiot on Jan 19, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
it's funny
We’re supposed hardcore fans, but the two bs fights are all that we’re talking about on a card with Santos, Lawler, Nick Diaz, Hieron vs. Riggs just to name a few. blah blah blah, why do they make these fights, blah blah blah. All the MMA media is covering the Walker story. It’ll be the only thing that the mainstream media could pick up. If it’s all that we’re talking about, how can you fault the match making?
by rask4p on Jan 18, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great point man!
I’m waiting for people to do interviews with Zaromzkis and Diaz about their fight. Melvin and Lawler? So ready! Hell I want some preemptive Judo chops about both of those matches. Nick’s punch-boxing versus Mariusz’ boxing and Robbie’s newly-found power-counter tactics versus the intelligent brawling of Melvin.
This booking stuff from Strikeforce is to be expected They just put on fights. They’re not trying to be the definitive league that represents this as sport. Which is great since they barely have divisions. And they clearly see eye-to-eye with the Japanese in regards to booking, so I think its time we all accept that Strikeforce is simply trying to get eyes on fights. No more. No less.
by asa on Jan 18, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So we shouldn’t hold Strikeforce to any kind of professional standard in regards to how they run their business?
Just BE.
I think we most definitely should
And I have a long list of complaints I would like them to address:
1) Why they are not giving ample notice to fighters who their opponent will be?
2) Why they don’t tape all prelims?
3) How they are going to improve their shows so that a Coenen-Modafferi makes the broadcast and a Mark Miller and Deray Davis doesn’t get bumped completely?
4) Why are their prelim fighter purses so low? Couldn’t they establish a higher minimum?
5) How can they guarantee that fighters like Overeem will actually defend their titles?
6) Shouldn’t more distinguished fighters be appearing on main cards? Isn’t there a minimum standard which a premiere promotion should be reaching for when putting bouts together?
I think all those are legitimate questions that we should be asking of Strikeforce. But if you peruse the comments I think you’ll notice that a lot of the complaints seemed to be directed more at the fact that StrikeForce isn’t the UFC than towards any constructive criticism.
by John Nash on Jan 18, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
That gets a huge rec from me.
Strikeforce is a bit of a lightning rod. Some people bash them just because they aren’t the UFC, and other people praise them for the same reason. Meanwhile, rational arguments tend to get drowned out in a cacophony of herd behavior from both sides..
Good points!
I’m less concerned about this Lashley fight getting such short notice as it seems to have a lot to do with Lashley’s management and the fact that they just want to put a can in front of him. Given how it’s played out with the commission it’s understandable that this fight will be taken with short notice.
Other than that, I would need to know more about when the fights were signed on this card before I’d start to get too concerned.
As to the quality of the card, if Walker and Lashley were taken off this card I don’t think many people would be this critical of this cards relevance to the overall MMA picture. I also think that we have firmly established that while these two fights are just money makers, they’re also doing a damn fine job of building hype and are justified from a business sense.
As to the production issues, small purse, title picture, these could absolutely be points of discussion. It’s just that Lashley and Walker are all that anyone is talking about. Everywhere.
hard to hype a fight when opponent is TBA
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by Well Read Idiot on Jan 19, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
timetables or booking?
Right now is there a “professional standard” for booking fights other than trying to build up fighters for the next card(s) or booking to sell tickets to a specific card? I think I understand your meaning, but I might be wrong.
The UFC’s multi-dimensional test/gauntlet system doesn’t seem to apply to a kickboxing-turned-MMA promotion with the depth SF has. I don’t see them building any deep divisions, so putting together whatever they can is all they can really do right now. There’s no direction but to put what you’ve got into the best matches you can.
It is very different than the UFC, but nothing as detrimental as Elite was so far. I find their recent Japanese timing practices repugnant and dangerous, but it also seems like temporary growing pains that they’re not trying to apply liberally.
It is very different than the UFC, but nothing as detrimental as Elite was so far
I think people tend to concetrate too much on EliteXC’s Kimbo-mania and forget how good the rest of their fights were. Kimbo aside, EliteXC did a very solid job of putting together competitive fights and negotiating the logistical and bureaucratic nightmares that come with being a national promoter. They didn’t have nearly as many problems scheduling events or sanctioning fights, and they were able to do so while giving their fighters plenty of advance notice.
Say what you will about EliteXC’s marketing gimmicks, but when it came down the meat & potatoes of putting on fights, they had their shit together.
it came from sports illustrated originally
not sure what the point of it was
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I don’t want any, but here you go!
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by Charles Awad on Jan 18, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
I had wings for lunch because of this.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
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Yep
I’m anxiously awaiting bar wings on Wednesday thanks to Herschel.
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by Charles Awad on Jan 18, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeforce has got it right.
The UFC announces fights way too early, and the competitors over train, leading to injuries and changes to the card. It ruins their ability to market effectively and kills media buzz. Sean Sherk alone has had 3 fights in a row announced months in advance that he’s dropped out of. Coker knows what’s up. Dana should take note.
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That’s just a joke. Fighters at this level should have At least an 8 week camp with specific knowledge of their opponent to prepare. The ufc has had a rough time with injuries lately, but the time given gives the fighters enough time to prepare and the org enough time to promote the fights most of the time
by Phildo on Jan 18, 2010 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You started off so right...
That’s just a joke.
Bingo.
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Eh
Strikeforce doesn’t announce fights because it hasn’t signed them yet. Just because the UFC is giving fighters reasonable advance warning on their bouts, and those bouts get leaked, Zuffa is doing something wrong? Really bizarre logic there..
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by Charles Awad on Jan 18, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the logic was insane enough that people would get it...
especially since I’m really sarcastic all the time here. Maybe BE needs to implement a < joke > tag…
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I thought you were being sarcastic!
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by pdl on Jan 18, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WE DIDN'T LISTEN
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by Matthew Roth on Jan 18, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
The unfortunate thing
Is that people around here say shit like that in earnest.
SARCASM RECOGNITION FAIL.
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