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Fedor Emelianenko Won't Be Featured on Spike TV's "Best of PRIDE"

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Heavy.com has the scoop:

Heavy.com has obtained the list of fights for the debut tonight and it's a who's who of Pride's best.

Wanderlei Silva vs. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson"
Chuck Liddell vs. Alistair Overeem
Takanori Gomi vs. Charles "Krazy Horse" Bennett
Anderson Silva vs. Carlos Newton
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua vs. Kevin Randleman

The official list of potential superstars on the show includes Dan Henderson, the Nogueiras, and a host of others. conspicous by his absence was Pride star and current Strikeforce standout Fedor Emelianenko. When asked about potential Fedor fights a spokesman said "In regards to Fedor, I'm told you never know who might show up."

“The Best of Pride Fighting Championships” premieres tonight, Friday, January 15 at 10:00 PM ET/PT.

This makes perfect business sense, but is a disservice to the fans and is another deliberate attempt by Zuffa to let their business agenda distort the history of the sport.

Here's why this matters.

Sport is a relatively pure form of human endeavor. It's what happens in the cage, on the field, on the court, on the diamond that should matter. Not the bullshit that goes on in the front office, the locker room, at the party after the fights.

Fedor Emelianenko is the greatest heavyweight in the history of the sport. Hiding his legacy out of short term self-perceived business interest is petty and stupid. And ultimately counter-productive. I've written many times that despite Fedor's admittedly troubling business partners, I firmly believe a deal could have been reached for him to come to the UFC last August had it not been for Dana White's terrible habit of publicly disrespecting fighters, especially Fedor.

Dana White and Zuffa are ultimately hurting themselves when they pull this petty crap. Dan Henderson vs Nate Marquardt would have been a far more compelling and relevant headliner for UFC 109 than the "hall of fame" match between Couture and Coleman.

Mark Coleman is headlining a pay per view in 2010 and fans are supposed to pay almost $50 for it?

UPDATE (by Kid Nate): Two things.

  1. I'm not a Zuffa hater. I'm a huge fan of their product. They're the best thing to happen to MMA in the history of the sport. When I bitch it's because I want them to live up to their promise and achieve their goals.
  2. The connection between no Fedor on the Best of PRIDE show and Mark Coleman headlining UFC 109 instead of a highly relevant #1 contender's fight at middleweight between Dan Henderson and Nate Marquart is this: If they would once in a while take the long term view and do the right thing instead of the right now thing, they would have more goodwill from fighters. Dan Henderson walked -- after being offered UFC 109 at the last minute -- and Fedor didn't sign with UFC because they felt disrespected by Dana. In the end, Dana's mouth and attitude hurt him more than it hurt Fedor and Henderson.

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by vivero on Jan 15, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

so...

The headline intimates Fedor will never be on the show, but the article itself is less clear and just says he will not be on tonights show and regarding the future “you never know”

I certainly hope they do the right kind, and would like my faith in humanity to be rewarded!

"You don't come to have your fingernails or your toenails painted. Goddamn, you come to fight, not to be a fairy."
Don Frye

by keyboardwarrior on Jan 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think matches ft. non-UFC fighters like Fedor and others will be shown

even if it is them winning but I dont think the UFC wants Spike advertising fighters that are not in the UFC a whole lot.

So I think you will see guys like Anderson Silva, Wand, Nog, Cro Cop etc.. advertised because they fight for the UFC but on the actual show you will see Fedor and Overeem and Hendo and Sakuraba just not advertised because they fight for rival companies.

The first show hasnt even aired so I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say who will make the show and who will never make the show.

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why would Zuffa promote a fighter from another organization?

by Td9d on Jan 15, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

petty nonsens

showing Fedor in the Randleman fight would create more MMA fans, which will eventually benefit the UFC. Very shortsighted and petty.

by nostraboris on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

$55 in crisp HD...

so we can see every aspect of mark coleman’s aging.

by zakkree on Jan 15, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sorry Nate, but I think I missed the connection here – how does Zuffa’s jaded historical viewpoint turn into a rant about paying 50 bucks to see Coleman main event?

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

my horrible flowchart.

zuffa>not showing fedor>petty marketing schemes>hendo signs with strikeforce>no marquardt vs. henderson>shitty 109 main event.

by zakkree on Jan 15, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks!

i should’ve filled in the gaps

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i tried to have you back, it made sense to me...

but it looks like you’ve awakened the demons…

by zakkree on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s funny, because I was just about to try and do the same sort of thing! There’s a bunch of disconnects though – Hendo going to Strikeforce is where it really veers off for me.

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it was because of dana banning his brand when he wouldn’t sign… i.e. petty marketing sceme.

by zakkree on Jan 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

still a really bad stretch.

Dan didn’t sign because he didn’t like the money Zuffa was offering. It doesn’t make sense for Zuffa to overpay for fighters.

by Phildo on Jan 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hendo took less money from strikeforce

than what the ufc offered him to fight at 109

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Why didn’t he Zuffa’s first offer?

by Phildo on Jan 15, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He’d come too far to turn back, in my estimation.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Kid Nate

stop making sense…

is a great album

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hendo took less money because Dana publicly announced that the UFC had pulled their offer off the table, were no longer negotiating with his people, and that he guaranteed Hendo would sign with Strikeforce, all while Hendo’s management was trying to keep negotiating. In other words he basically told Strikeforce what ever you offer Dan he’ll have to take, because we won’t even attempt to match it. And then for good measure he banned Hendo’s company ClinchGear.
I think all that sends a message: "don’t try and play us off against Strikeforce".

When everything else fell through he finally came back and said “Hey, you want to headline 109?”

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but that was a side-effect of him not signing…a small thing in a much larger negotiation. It’s not a bridge to “no Nate/Hendo = Couture/Coleman”

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i tried. shrugs shoulders

by zakkree on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

a valiant effort

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The Fertitas don’t want to be involved with M1-Global because of their gaming license. Well, that and M1 want too much for said “co-promotion”.

"We built this business, this entire freaking industry," White said. "How are they going to come in and help us co-promote? It’s basically them coming and saying, ‘We’ve got this guy and some people say he might be the best heavyweight in the world. So for that, we want half your business.’ Yeah, OK. That sh-t probably works in Russia. Not here."

White added that the Fertittas’ gaming license would hinder co-promoting with M-1.

"People from other countries just don’t walk in and jump in business with the Fertitta brothers," he said. "There has to be full background checks and all kinds of crazy sh-t. It doesn’t work that way. It’s impossible; it will never happen."

Linky slinky.

I’m not a fan of every business decision the UFC makes but I can’t fault them for this one.

I finish beers at 1:55.

by ihateemo on Jan 15, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Creating these shows from old fights is a marketing tool and a way to utilize footage that was bought. Nothing more. Marketing Fedor might be a dumb move. I don’t get how all the other stuff is relevant to this.

Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.

by szucconi on Jan 15, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

Fedor Emelianenko is the greatest heavyweight fighter in the history of the sport.

fixed.

by xfreekx on Jan 15, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

cant we please just go one thread about fedor without this debate?… sigh…

by zakkree on Jan 15, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

of course not

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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no debate

by xfreekx on Jan 15, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So if someone disagree's with you

then that is not a debate? Does it just mean that they’re wrong, your right no matter what?

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If one guy says 1+1=2 and another guy says 1+1=615384, then yes one of them is wrong.

by Polyh3dron on Jan 15, 2010 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well I disagree…I think that Matt Hughes is the best fighter of all time.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Just trollin as much as the dude who came from sherdog.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, apparently all the trolls have taken over BE lately and there is a civil war between posters and the Staff. Fun times… =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I much prefer your war with Logic. : )

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

nice.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahahahahahahah fuck…you know what this discussion needs? a patch of green! rec’d!

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You must have missed the Fedor GIF below.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

check out the co-promotion story…THATS A PATCH OF GREEN…IT’S LIKE EVERY POST WAS REC’D.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, yeah. I’ve been involved in a few of those. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

When’d this war between the new people and the staff happen though? And why hasn’t Luke “Immortal” Thomas stepped in?

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

When the UFC failed to sign Fedor. That’s when a lot of new posters came on to the sight and is when all of a sudden everyone said the staff was anti-Zuffa. Before that, the staff was pro-Zuffa. Go figure. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez...let me fix that..

Came on to the website. I believe they got a ton of new posters and viewers during the negotiations. With the high exposure, they got a ton of posters from all over.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I was about to say that Sup was replaced by some illiterate…that made me sad panda. As I said, I like to try and keep you honest which is why I call you out sometimes, but you actually contribute to discussions.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I wouldn’t say that’s how it went. When I first came here, I felt that there might be some anti-Zuffa sentiment (lot of Dana is bad content, as I remember). I actually accused Brent of it, strangely enough (in retrospect). Nate has been really critical of Zuffa over the last few months. People on the interwebz don’t need a lot of reason to say “you love/hate this/that”. I don’t agree with everything he’s had to say of late, but he’s got as much right as anyone to say it. If this place were so fuckin boring, you and I wouldn’t have thousands upon thousands of comments to our credit..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer the Subo, smoogy, Logic, MMASup, Blackout, Phildo, Whome, days… At least we had good conversations back then. It feels a bit childish now…feels like virtual high school. Times are a changing…

=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I do miss subo

At least smoogy is back, though.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think it’s possible he’ll lose to mmalogic this time.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Expertly done.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jan 16, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel left out.

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 16, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m guessing a lot of the people that get the most bent out of shape when anything bad is said about the UFC are in their late teens to early 20’s. They have an emotionally attachment to the product and as such you are either on team UFC or not.

Me, I’m on Team Jacob.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m on team Kristen Stewart.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

On her?

I don’t know, she’s kinda smallish. Maybe when I’m done.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

that’d definitely force her to do her lip biting thing though

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Her in Adventureland

For the win.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Story of my life

Sloppy seconds. Although I am proud that I beat Tiger Woods to the punch once.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

you had sex with his wife?

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If it was with his wife I would be proud of myself

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You know the rules

Everybody line up in size order. Smallest go first.

Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.

-SC

by The Lethal Haze on Jan 15, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

finally! being an irish mexican jew comes in handy!

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...agreed...

Wish more posters could be like you you. Seriously, would make this site a much better place.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s one of the best newcomers, for sure.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

But little know fact: I am subo

after therapy.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i was hoping sup was talking about me…but you’re alright too i guess.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, don't get cocky

You actually only qualify because you took my advice on where to go in NE.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

My visit to the CDC the next day is making me regret it.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA

You’re welcome.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No you don't

I have a serious drug problem

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It totally shows.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think because it’s not really happening. I’ve seen a few off color comments, but they were probably met with warnings.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

shits getting ridiculous here…you know what? FUCK THIS PLACE! I’M GOING TO WATCHKALIBRUN.COM

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

enjoy

that’s a great site.

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

oh it’s an awesome site, I’m still waiting to find out about your punk roots before I move there.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You LOL'd that?

That’s unnecessary.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Purely in context to what’s going on in this thread.
Times are changing…

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not always what you mean, it’s how it’s perceived. David Loiseau is LOLable. Matt Hughes, though?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey maaaan don’t clown on The Crow!

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

Not a great time to bring up the Crow… =(

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Because of Haiti? Clearly not a related sentiment, but yeah.. Poor guy.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Too soon for what?

You can’t be serious..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

nah i’m just joking man. thanks for the defense after sup’s lolz

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, it’s hard to tell sometimes. Someone almost shit a chicken the other day because I told a guy to reevaluate his interest in the sport for being so excited about Herschel.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

with me, I’m rarely serious. I’ll let humor make my points.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well, that is certainly worth shitting a chicken about

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem--

You weren’t the one shitting it.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haha, rec’d

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t even thinking about Haiti when I said it…I was just jokingly defending a fellow Canadian.

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

well first off

isn’t this the first show in a series? At least let it run it’s course. We all assume we won’t see Fedor, but I definitely saw the Randleplex in the first trailer, so who knows.

also

Mark Coleman is headlining a pay per view in 2010 and fans are supposed to pay almost $50 for it?

Unrealted, true and I won’t be paying 50 for it.

http://mixedmartialartsblogger.wordpress.com/

by Cory Braiterman on Jan 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

but I definitely saw the Randleplex in the first trailer, so who knows.

One of the few bad things they can dredge up in terms of Fedor, and it’s in the trailer…now that’s funny.

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad Thing??

It made Fedor look damn near immortal.

by Chris Barton on Jan 15, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn... What a bummer

But Zuffa paid a shit-ton for the rights to this footage and I can understand why they might do this. I just got my hopes up that they were going in another direction. Couldn’t have been an easy choice to make..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

Also

Petty? Maybe. Stupid? Absolutely not.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I am frustrated with them

their decline in ratings has me in panic mode! They were so close to world conquest and blew it.

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The UFC/MMA

it was a cool trend why it lasted. Now it’s time for glumbert to have the spotlight.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So how do you feel about 110-114?

All of them looked very stacked. Does anyone think that 111, 112 and 113 won’t do big numbers?

I get you are frustrated, but as I already said, this post reads like a complaint list and little more.

I honestly think that Bloody Elbow is one the best MMA sites, not simply blogs, today. I guess I think this post is not what I have come to expect from BE. It reads like a post I might find on a forum board someplace.

As I said, Nate writes some great stuff and is part of a site that is a must-read for me.

by Lynchman on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Chicken Little.

by Michaelthebox on Jan 15, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thank you

that’s what we try to do.

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t speak for everyone, but I still think ProElite is going to take over the world.

They’re just in a slump right now.

by Steve4192 on Jan 15, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I also still think Battleship is going to happen.

by Steve4192 on Jan 15, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Could everybody please rec this?

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jan 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd with the force of a Randleplex

it seems like people just like to be on one side of an internet fence, throwing eggs at an abortion rally on the other side. not saying Lynchman is this type, but they roam around..

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Up until this point they weren’t showing Pride fights at all, now they give them to us but decide to exclude their rivals biggest star and people complain. Zuffa is running a business, not trying to present a complete history of MMA.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly. The “pure sport” argument doesn’t cut it for me in this case.

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I am in no way a basketball guy, but Micheal Jordan is not the most successful player of all time? I was unaware.

Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.

by szucconi on Jan 15, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Championships:
Bill Russell: 11
Michael Jordan: 6

And Jordan doesn’t lead the all-time leader boards in any major statistic.

by Timmy B on Jan 15, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Jordan lead in Points Per Game Average for a whole career?

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Jan 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure he does.

by PM23 on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Tied with Chamberlain, I believe. But played one more season.

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was referring to overall stats…. like most points or rebounds or steals.

My point is that certain athletes are marketed based on selling potential. Even in team sports. History is often revised.

If you really look at the numbers, the best two players are either Bill Russell or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Jabbar is top 3 in points, rebounds, and blocks. All-time leading scorer…..

by Timmy B on Jan 15, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It is more profitable to market a player playing then a player long since retired. That is the real deal. i.e. Lebron.

Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.

by szucconi on Jan 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing like the RINGZ argument for individual merit in a team sport.

Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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by Mike Fagan on Jan 15, 2010 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bonds had been caught, back in 01 before there were penalties and the tests were supposed to be anonymous. MLB knew about it, that’s why it was downplayed.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

also, Bonds was a dick about everything, therefore hard to hype up

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Two other big factors: The media hated BLB, and Baseball writers are the absolute worst when it comes to hypocrisy and moral arbitration but they hated him for reason number 2 – He was a colossal a-hole

by woomikee on Jan 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

This makes perfect business sense

Should have ended the article here.

by Steve4192 on Jan 15, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah.
Considering it was already common knowledge (or common sense if you happened to miss Dana actually saying it) that this show would be programmed to feature UFC fighters it seems slightly extraneous.

by Simco on Jan 15, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It is not a journalistic or historical program, though the title makes it sound like it is. I’m curious as to what pitch you would give in a UFC marketing meeting that would advocate showing the glory days of Fedor to millions of people; this could only drive more money to Strikeforce and partners in the short term and make it easier for them to poach the UFCs fighters.

by dribblebib on Jan 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

I would argue that sport is a social construct and play/conflict are the more fundamental human endeavors that sport is built around, but that’s just me picking nits. ;)

I think it’s going to be hard to tell what Best of Pride is going to be like by the the first episode. I think cherry-picking UFC stars on the first episode of the show makes perfect sense, as they get to draw in their SPIKE audience pretty quickly. Whether or not Zuffa uses the show to build a revisionist history depends a TON on what fights show up throughout the season. I’m gonna give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

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by loboplata on Jan 15, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Hendo rejected the fight silly goose!

And don’t worry about the UFC ignoring Fedor – it’s actually building Fedor’s mystique!

by MMAEruption on Jan 15, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

exactly

Hendo declined the deal because they’d been such dicks in the negotiations.

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? It wasn’t a money issue at all?

http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money

by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

They obviously hate each other. Hendo calls Dana fat, and Dana calls Hendo ugly.

/sarcasm.

by MMAWrestling on Jan 15, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

Nate is being way too definitive in his assessments of the Fedor/Hendo negotiations. It’s clearly not so cut and dry.

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by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this was very clearly a re$pect issue.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i see what you did there. you must be a big Ke$ha fan.

“wake up in the morning feelin like P Diddy”

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

please dont start

I’m so f’n sick of that song. It plays like every half an hour on the radio here and on like every station.

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

So happy I have no idea what all that means..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t brush your teeth with a bottle of Jack?

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by Tim Burke on Jan 15, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i love her valley girl accent on the part when she goes “pedicure on our toes, toes”

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

God that song is horrible. I thought you were an ivy leaguer, should be smarter than that….

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i like the novelty of it. i’m a bon vivant of the cheapest culture

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So what’d you think of Ronnie getting arrested on Jersey Shore last night?

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought it was great.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

went out last night. i’m gonna go watch it right now and get back to you in like an hour

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

haven’t gotten to that part yet, but had to break away from the episode and let you know how hard i marked out over this exchange:

Snooki: “Can i have another roll?”

The Situation: “You already have a couple.”

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Then the guy catches hell for it after she told him that nobody likes him. Seemed pretty even to me..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And it’s not like he was wrong.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

can’t wait for next week’s episode. by the way, i’m not a fan of The Situation, but J-Woww was in the wrong to begin with and then completely crossed the line

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but she does have a smokin’ body.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i can only imagine how many times the crew has caught a nipple slip. but that face… ugh, did you see when Ronnie went to confront her outside about the Snooki thing? never in history has a chemical peel been more necessary

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what beer goggles are for.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you have some inside info or something, because there certainly wasn’t a whiff of that in the press I saw.

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by Rundownloser on Jan 15, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Little hurt kid move

By not promoting Fedor, they’re really dropping the ball on two things: repairing a perceived destroyed bridge by Dana by showing that he grew up a little (very little) and also do we really think Fedor is going to stay out of the UFC forever?! Get the marketing going so the average fan trying to get into the sport has at least seen a Fedor fight or two…

by NextAndersonSilva on Jan 15, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

this

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

so by promoting Fedor, and giving him more leverage...

they’d be doing the right thing? Even though they’d be promoting him for another company, and possibly helping the general fans become more enamored with his mystique, before he goes onto CBS?

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Jan 15, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, it’s all about what’s ethically right “for the good of the sport and the fans”.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

When the get close to signing Fedor, how much time do you think it will actually take them to market him like crazy? They can show all of his PRIDE stuff non-stop on spike. There’s no reason to do it now. It’s not like they will sign him and then he fights the next week, there will be plenty of time to market him.

by MMAWrestling on Jan 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you see Sprint promoting T-Mobile in their ads because they might one day merge? What a ridiculous concept.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

hmm… meh… not really equivalent

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by GregS123 on Jan 15, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but this isn’t the same thing because we’re talking about the UFC and they’re only supposed to do what’s good for the sport whether it makes sense business-wise or not.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's all about money!!!

Kid Nate you can say it is Dana’s terrible habit for bashing fighters but its not it comes down to money.

If Dana would’ve met Hendo’s contact demands he easily would still be in the UFC but he chose not too. Same with Fedor, can anyone honestly tell me that if Dana had agreed to co-promotion with Fedor, Fedor would have said no because Dana bashed him?

As for Marquardt-Hendo being a better match up there is no way to argue that its’s not true but it wouldnt have sold better. So all it really would have done is appease the hardcore fans.

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Updates

Hendo, reportedly, wanted money like he has been loyal to the UFC when he hasn’t. First and foremost they value loyalty. That is kinda good, but as you say on twitter it is also Stalinist. They are grabbing all the power and the fighters that don’t trust them to do the right thing go to SF. Dana is brash and it’s a problem, a big one, but keeping Fedor from being on the Pride show is the only thing you can do. He was on the original list and still might be in the show and they don’t want to put that info out there.

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by szucconi on Jan 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

how was Hendo disloyal to Zuffa?

he started with PRIDE long before Zuffa was around. Once he came over he was a good soldier

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by Kid Nate on Jan 15, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with your argument about Hendo is that you are assuming that paying Hendo what he wanted would be the right move long term.

by Phildo on Jan 15, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Dan Henderson walked — after being offered UFC 109 at the last minute — and Fedor didn’t sign with UFC because they felt disrespected by Dana. In the end, Dana’s mouth and attitude hurt him more than it hurt Fedor and Henderson.

Dan wanted more money than the UFC wanted to pay. By all reported, he was asking for a seven figure signing bonus in addition to a large raise.

I don’t blame him for asking for it, but I also don’t blame the UFC for not paying it. Had the money been offered, Dan would have fought.

by Lynchman on Jan 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

Spike’s press release named several of the great Pride fighters who will be part of the show, including Fedor Emelianenko, who last week spurned the UFC’s contract offer to sign with Strikeforce instead. I credit Spike for mentioning Fedor in the release, but I’ll be very curious to see how, exactly, Fedor is portrayed on the show.

The UFC certainly doesn’t want to help Strikeforce advertise the fact that Fedor was the best fighter in Pride, compiling a 14-0 record. And the UFC doesn’t want to remind viewers that six of Fedor’s 14 wins were against fighters currently under contract to the UFC (Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Mark Coleman twice apiece, and Heath Herring and Mirko Cro Cop once apiece).

Will the UFC and Spike show fans footage of Fedor smashing UFC fighters? Probably not, and that will be a weakness of Best of Pride. But there were scores of great fights in the Pride days, and many of them will help the UFC promote its own upcoming fights.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2009/08/10/ufc-spike-announce-best-of-pride/

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Liddell vs. Overeem has three characteristics of the kind of fight I expect to see frequently on Best of Pride.

1. It was an exciting fight with a great finish.
2. It features Liddell, a current UFC star, winning.
3. It features Overeem, a star of the rival Strikeforce, losing.


Still, I think it’s safe to say that the vast majority of fights we’re going to see on Best of Pride and on YouTube are ones that make current UFC fighters look good and fighters currently in rival organizations look bad.

Fedor Emelianenko went 14-0 in Pride, but we’re probably not going to see many of his fights on Best of Pride, and certainly not his victories over current UFC fighters Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Mirko Cro Cop and Mark Coleman. Dan Henderson went 13-5 in Pride, but we’re probably not going to see many of his fights on Best of Pride, and certainly not his victories over current UFC fighters Vitor Belfort and Wanderlei Silva.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/01/13/ufc-puts-chuck-liddell-vs-alistair-overeem-on-youtube/

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if they will show some of Fedors less than stellar wins, Hong Man Choi, Zuluzinho etc to help foster the believe he has fought nothing but cans

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by keyboardwarrior on Jan 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

They dont’ have the footage against Hong Man Choi. Maybe the fight against Randleman where he gets Randleplexed.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

good call, didn’t realize the HMC fight wasn’t in price

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by keyboardwarrior on Jan 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

They wouldn’t show that, it was too exciting of turnaround. People will want to see who this guys is that can literally come back from certain death and win. They’ll want to know if he can recreate that.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they don’t have many options to show a BAD Fedor fight.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

or the Fujita fight. hell, Cro Cop busted up Fedor real bad and has looked like shit in the UFC (still hurts to say it), i think they could show that fight.

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by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah how old is crocop when he went to ufc and how many proff k-1 / pride fights did he do before he went to ufc ?? he was just out of his prime when he went ufc. shoulda retired in 07

by Killuminati on Jan 16, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

Cro Cop was coming off the biggest win of his career when he came to UFC, finally winning a title by mowing down everyone in the OWGP.

by Steve4192 on Jan 16, 2010 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet they do show him

but just are not going to say that they will show his matches because he fights for a rival company.

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If they would once in a while take the long term view and do the right thing instead of the right now thing

Letting Hendo walk and not signing Fedor are short-term problems, not long-term problems. Long-term problems are wrestling with issues that will effect the sport 10 years from now. The UFC has done a very good job of looking towards the long-term, sometimes at the expense of hurting themselves in the short-term.

by Steve4192 on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Rule #1 in business: don’t help the competition.

It’s too bad that Fedor is out of the Pride broadcasts, but that’s business. It’s not like Zuffa set fire to the tapes, or even stopped selling dvds of his fights—- they just aren’t actively broadcasting advertising for an opposing promotion. Zuffa is under no obligation to go out of its way to shoot itself in the foot—- we should be glad that anything from Pride is getting airtime on a cable network, not complaining that Zuffa isn’t doing Strikeforce’s job for them.

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by toxic on Jan 15, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

I thought rule #1 was to never start anything inside the bar unless it is absolutely necessary.

by MMAEruption on Jan 15, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedor has already been on the show (sort of)...

one of the highlights that appeared in the promo video for the first episode (albeit as part of a quickly moving montage) was Kevin Randleman suplexing Fedor. So BAM. Fedor’s been on the show :P

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by Ominous on Jan 15, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

I dont think Zuffa controlled the rights back then

I belive Pride made the deal with FSN and then those rights recently expired ala Pride now on Spike.

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That is my point.

There was no outrage over Pride not giving a fair representation of the history of the sport. It only becomes an issue when Zuffa does it.

by Steve4192 on Jan 15, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

FSN as will Spike...

Will edit half the fights anyways because they can’t show stomps to the head and soccer kicks. Random camera shot at a Japanese fan FTW! =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think that's true

I know fsn did it but I dont think Spike has to edit that out. They might but I dont think there is a rule that says stomps to the head are not allowed on tv just not allowed in us mma matches.

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Too violent for TV, but, I guess we will see.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I have seen very violent knees to a downed mans head on FSN, I don’t recall edits. When trigg and glazer hosted it.

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by szucconi on Jan 15, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

There were, you can find people complaining online all the time.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s odd because I thought the commercial I saw advertised head and soccer kicks.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

When Shogun goes for a soccer kick it’s gonna cut to a shot of Rogan jerking off.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Care to place a wager on that?

Spike has never edited fights, and they even featured head stomps as one of their selling points in their promo trailer.

Besides, what makes you think Spike can’t show head stomps or soccer kicks? There is no FCC rule preventing the broadcast of such things. The unified rules do not apply to SpikeTV.

by Steve4192 on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

n the end, Dana’s mouth and attitude hurt him more than it hurt Fedor and Henderson.

see if you say that when Strikeforce goes belly up and they both end up in the UFC

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by pitbull187 on Jan 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Excluding Fedor from series does nothing at all to teh hisotry if the sport.

If Zuffa re-released all the Pride events with Fedor’s fights removed, I could see why people would be angry, but this is just a selection of fights from Pride. No one is saying that Fedor’s fights didn’t happen.

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by Llewdor on Jan 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry about the typos – I was eating a sandwich while I typed.

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by Llewdor on Jan 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

fatass

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by pitbull187 on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Why should they give any free publicity to another promotion’s fighter? Thats just silly.

I really wish people would quit whining about every little thing the UFC does. If the show doesn’t interest you, don’t watch it. If you don’t think the Couture/Coleman PPV is worth $50, don’t buy it. Problem solved.

by Brad Ackerson on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Nate’s saving his money for the next YAMMA or Bodog PPV.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I sort of agree, but I disagree with the idea that they’re doing the wrong thing here. I don’t see it as a wrong/right choice, but more just making the choice that makes the most sense for the UFC.
THe UFC got to where it is today through the love of MMA first, and then looking out for their own interests second. Looking out for their own interests, it turns out, seems to be helping the sport more than hurting it, but there might be individual things in that philosophy that aren’t the absolute best for the fans, it’s still necessary that they follow this principle for the overall health of the company, and thus the sport. I see so many problems with the structure of Strikeforce it’s not even funny. But surely you can’t expect UFC to spend money and resources on other organizations fighters. It would be great if they did, and I’d love it if they did, but they’re not wrong in refusing to do so.

I do think they’re remarkably petty though in their refusal to acknowledge former fighters in their own organization that are no longer with them (ie: Frank Shamrock etc) but whatever, their choice.

by Dooda on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

It does make sense.

However, I don’t think it would materially hurt Zuffa to show some Fedor fights. That said, the UFC should really feature their current fighters, and perhaps those they have a good chance of signing, more than fighters like Fedor. Maybe, Dana did some stuff to hinder the negotiations, but Fedor’s clique is so unreasonable that I wouldn’t be surprised if the UFC were never able to sign Fedor, Dana aside.

Really, I think the UFC enhances the so-called “purity” of the sport of MMA more than any other reasonably large organization. Yes, they do make some fights that have little impact on the pecking orders for the different divisions, but it’s hard for me to fault them for this since it doesn’t dominate their matchmaking. I suppose these fights are what many want to see. I will defer to the masses.

by Cannon Jacques on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

THINK OF IT THE OPPOSITE WAY

If the UFC did feature Fedor Emelianenko on multiple shows, then we would be having posts from Kid Nate talking about how it is bad for the UFC to be heavily promoting the competition’s poster boy.

No matter what Dana White did here, it’s a lose-lose situation.

The fact is, this version of “losing” is much better then promoting Fedor.

by Timmy B on Jan 15, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Rec’d for the “turn about is fair play” rule.

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by Rundownloser on Jan 15, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just being honest. I love 98% of what Luke and Nate do, but I usually end up commenting on the 2% I don’t agree with.

by Jahbulon on Jan 15, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jan 16, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope if Fedor ever gets shown on these Pride shows that we get a correction to this article.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Jan 15, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

I firmly believe a deal could have been reached for him to come to the UFC last August had it not been for Dana White’s terrible habit of publicly disrespecting fighters, especially Fedor.

Where has Nate said it’s a fact that Fedor left because of Dana’s attitude? Fedor and his management have said that they felt disrespected by Dana and the comments he made. Yes, co-promotion was an issue. Yes, money was an issue. But there is a plenty of evidence indicating that Fedor and M-1 place a value on what they deem being treated with respect.

In Feb 2008, Fedor wrote an open letter stating that he felt disrespected by Dana. During the latest round of negotiations, it was reported that Fedor and M-1 were nearly there but got upset with the way Dana and the UFC handled the process.

It may be a cultural difference or simply a personal issue, but it seems that respect has a value to Fedor and his management, so reducing everything to dollars and cents really isn’t an accurate way of discussing the issue.

Dana talked shit about Fedor, and to pretend that there may not have been any consequences for that seems silly to me. Whether it was a deal-breaker, we certainly don’t know, but hell, I don’t understand the need to jump on Nate for simply saying he believes the deal could have been reached.

by twotone on Jan 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Despite the fear of getting into a back-and-forth of parsing words on an issue that’s not really worth it, I’d say that in the context of the entire post that paragraph is a description/extension of his opinion.

by twotone on Jan 15, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's verbatim

Context isn’t necessary.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, this comment exemplifies your always impressive ability to mix snootiness with flimsy logic. I don’t have the time or the desire to start arguing with you about why context is important when quoting something, particularly when it would only obscure my main point about Dana’s treatment of Fedor.

by twotone on Jan 15, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, this comment exemplifies your always impressive ability to mix snootiness with flimsy logic.

That’s the reason I fell in love.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's sweet

His ability to use the terms “flimsy logic” and “snootiness” are the reasons I’m falling in love. Can you set keyboard macros for that shit? Alt+Shift+9 or something?

You has (flimsy logic/fuzzy math/snooty behaviorz).

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you saying there’s someone else now?

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

There was always someone else

You were just too stupid to see it.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

twotone is the one with the flimsy logic here

dana talked shit about fedor and M1 before the negotiations, so if it had been a dealbreaker the negotiations would have never taken place – its clear by M1s mere presence at the negotiating table that they had set aside the remarks to persue a business outcome so we can therefore conlude that it was some other factor that led fedor to make his decision to not sign the contract he was offered by the ufc.

Where has Nate said it’s a fact that Fedor left because of Dana’s attitude?

If you are going to afford Nate the leniancy that his published articles are just his opinion and not statements of fact then you must also afford the producer of the “best of pride” show the liniency that the fights chosen are only, the best of pride, in his/her oppinion.

Paniczoo reincarnated.

by ziiiiing on Jan 15, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that anyone gives a shit, but I have no problem with what fights Zuffa decides to show – those highlights are the company’s property.

I’m not convinced Fedor’s decision to negotiate again last year means the initial remarks didn’t matter, and I suppose there’s really no way to know. If you think coming back to negotiate a second time means he could not be insulted a second time, or you don’t believe the statements that he and M-1 made about the negotiations, that’s fine.

I suspect it was a mix of different factors that led to the breakdown, and really my point is that Nate’s opinion re: Dana’s attitude and its effect on the negotiations isn’t simply based on “loads of speculation” (as sadface called it) – there is evidence Fedor was insulted, whether you choose to believe it or not.

by twotone on Jan 15, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And one time after I got fired from a job, I called the owners assholes.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

As opposed to the many times you called them assholes then got fired =D

Guillotine.

by iiowyn on Jan 16, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yus

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 16, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

if the entire article was nates best guess/opinion on the fedor/ henderson/ pride show then id have no issue. when you try to twist opinion in fact, then its speculation. sorry.

by sadface on Jan 15, 2010 9:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t necessarily disagree, since I suppose there’s always going to be an element of speculation (I can’t get into Fedor’s head and see if he truly was disrespected, I don’t know for sure what was offered at the table, etc).

I guess I read the article as Nate’s opinion on how the UFC’s decision-making in the short term (such as dissing Fedor) might affect the UFC’s long term interests, but clearly you and others weren’t happy with the underlying basis for some of his statements.

by twotone on Jan 15, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

first off, thanks for the level headed responses. its hard to debate things online and people seem to run for the flame thrower when trying to discuss things.

as far as spculation goes, you are correct, nobody knows the exact reason for fedor/dan not being able to come to an agreement with the ufc. the problem i have is, this isnt the first time ive read something that i feel has an underlying bias to an unacceptable degree. ( im sorry if unacceptable seems stong, im tired :p )

it wont make me stop coming here, to the contrary, but it does seem like there is some reaching in this article.

by sadface on Jan 16, 2010 12:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

and the speculation i was refering to specifically was about the pride show tonight. all that heavy.com was told was that fedor wasnt featured tonight, but may be shown in future installments.

by sadface on Jan 16, 2010 12:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sigh...

Yeah, I’m an asshole, you don’t have time, yada, something, commentz, blork.. Your vocal minority that barely comments here and says this same tired bullshit every time you half-heartedly engage me is a painful retread. Context isn’t always necessary when a quote tells the whole story. Can I say “I h8 dolphinz!!!” and then go on about the dolphin murdering tuna fishing industry and chalk it up to context? Holy shit man, what have I been doing all this time???

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw buddy, you do not disappoint! The dismissive opening line with a touch of post-count elitism just to show how little you care about me. Then the… well… strawman, or I don’t know, something, with extra punctuation to show you mean business. Well done.

I’m glad you left a real argument in there (it’s in bold, so I know you saw it too); I guess we simply disagree about whether the quote would have benefited from some context. The whole article reads like an opinion piece to me, but there are clearly a lot of folks that disagree and don’t think there is enough evidence to say that Fedor ended negotiations because he was disrespected. That’s a reasonable position, but again I don’t think Nate’s post warranted all the venom.

I’m inclined to think the disrespect played some part in the negotiation breakdown and others are not. In the end I don’t know Fedor and, more importantly, I don’t include my rambling nonsense (that’s a dig at my comments, not yours – I have no idea whether you ramble or not) in every FanShot, FanPost, and front page article, so you probably shouldn’t listen to me anyway.

by twotone on Jan 15, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez.. Venom?

I’m jiving, don’t flatter yourself..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Venom at Nate, my good man, based on all the other posts around these parts. Thumbs up for being sassy though. Er, I mean, jiving and what not.

by twotone on Jan 15, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Apologies; after this long it’s hard to wade through the bullshit (yours included).

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 16, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I really do

hate dolphins. F those sneaky bastards.

by Chris Barton on Jan 18, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

In fairness, at the time Whoseyourmama signed Tarvaris Jackson was your QB so it might not have been “more attractive” to him.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Eh

Clearly the better team, regardless of that fact.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

rampage tore him up

they should of showed rampage vs chuck on the debut

by staytrue2010 on Jan 15, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

The footage of Fedor was probably the only thing that made the purchase of Pride worth the amount they paid for him. Why would they then put him on the show when he refused to fight for him? For what’s best for the sport? Really?

by pr0cs on Jan 15, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

yikes proofreading for the win.

he footage of Fedor was probably the only thing that made the purchase of Pride worth the amount they paid for it. Why would they then put Fedor on the show when he refused to fight for the UFC? For what’s best for the sport? Really?

by pr0cs on Jan 15, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a Zuffa hater. I’m a huge fan of their product. They’re the best thing to happen to MMA in the history of the sport. When I bitch it’s because I want them to live up to their promise and achieve their goals.

I feel bad for you having to even mention this. There used to be a qualitative difference between the BE comments section and, say, MMAJunkie. Not so much anymore.

by smoogy2 on Jan 15, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Laughs

Zuffa fans around here have to be constantly apologetic for enjoying the product so as not to appear to be fanboys, and you sympathize with that? Real good..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Show me people apologizing for enjoying UFC.

by smoogy2 on Jan 15, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

No

You’re quite possibly the only person that isn’t aware of it.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You can pretend all you want like this stuff doesn’t happen but it does.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Proof that you haven't reacclimated yourself to this environment

Pretty ridiculous assertion. More often than not, I join in on pre-existing banter that is UFC/everybody else. And I have no desire, or incentive, to rummage through thousands of posts to present you with comments representing how individuals have to provide disclaimers suggesting that while they love all of MMA, they enjoy/defend something-Zuffa… So that the likes of you don’t come around and tell them they’re ball-suckers or whatever new term you like to bandy about. People aren’t allowed to like everything, somehow..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t call anybody a ballsucker for enjoying the UFC. I said it is unfortunate that Nate even needs to add little notes to the rabid fanboys that populate this site.

Once again: You don’t have to turn every little thing into a fanboy battleground.

by smoogy2 on Jan 15, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yawn

Goodbye.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would say the opposite is more often or not true. Every comment critical of the UFC, no matter how minor, has to be prefaced with “but I’m a big UFC fan”. If you like mma that should be a given.

If I make a comment that 108 is a crappy card for casual fans (and it was an incedibly crappy card for casual fans) I have insulted the honor of all real fans. If I make the subjective observation that I enjoyed a Dream or Strikeforce card over a Zuffa event than several people have to assist me by pointing out the obvious: that the UFC has much better talent than anyone else. That isn’t even debateable but apparently it is something I always have to debate.

It’s really getting tiresome. It’s like always having to prove you’re straight even though you’re sleeping with a new girl every night. I will say this about Dana in all earnestness: he has done a great job of building a cult of personality around himself. The Red Guards defending the UFC so vigorously is his greatest accomplishment.

by John Nash on Jan 16, 2010 2:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No

It’s not the opposite— both are true to some degree, but you have to defend your fandom of the UFC above all else. Underdogging is the hot shit; always has been, always will be. I do actually have invested interest in all of MMA, but I’m the biggest fence-rider you’ll find— and with reason… I don’t want a universal MMA-org and I don’t want “as many org’s as can be” like some people confusedly suggest. I want a healthy balance of organizations and I happen to love how things are right now.

Also, the new girl every night thing isn’t doing it— I saw what you did behind The Palace and that poor kid is HEARTBROKEN.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 16, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, I respectfully disagree. It seems lately that any and all criticism of Zuffa is taken by many of our fellow posters as an affront to the sport. Maybe that is only experience, since I probably comment more often on non-zuffa items (and with good reason: I can go anywhere to discuss the UFC, it’s a little more diffilcult to find others willing to discuss a possible Gono vs Hornbuckle rematch – and now what the fuck they’re talking about).

I am pretty much the same boat as you: a fan of the UFC, but also wishful of some sort of competition to prevent mma from being ruled by a single monolithic promotion.
PersonallyI thought Affliction had it all: great cards; great pay for it’s fighters; massive losses for a terrible t-shirt company.

And I wouldn’t worry about that girl – I left her something to remembere by. Now what I want to know is what the hell you were doing out with her so late tonight?

by John Nash on Jan 16, 2010 3:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The poor kid in question is a teenage boy

Affliction was awful because it wasn’t sustainable. You know enough about business (or so I’ve been led to believe) that you can criticize practices, for the sake of long term successes. I don’t hate Strikeforce just because I think they’re doing some things wrong.. And I don’t love Dana because Zuffa is doing most errything right. Pop-misconceptions, I’d say.. The UFC has it nailed to the wall. And, yeah, they can get bigger. But I’m shameless— so if someone is going to foretell the demise of an organization that is doing so well that their worst is accumulating massive dollars, I’m not going to tuck my shit back because I also watch DREAM. Guess what? DREAM is great, but UFC is better. It’s not fashionable, it’s not in, it’s not temporary, it’s honest. So, to warp back to the original point— it’s not okay to be a forum-fan of the UFC.

You have to provide a disclaimer. You have to explain your enthusiasm. You have to be a prude.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 16, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

And here I thought she had a big clit when really it was his balls

The UFC has to be my favorite – and this is with all sincerity – because it is the only promotion that I watch everything they broadcast. And I am sure that is the same for 90% of the posters on here so I don’t know why anyone would have to hide the fact they’re a UFC fan? Now being a Dana fan? I can understand why some people might be turned off by his “act”. But that has nothing to do with the sport so I don’t know why people are offended by those that don’t like him.

At the same time I am floored at how many people seem to revel at the impending doom of Strikeforce. A doom foretold by Affliction and EliteXC. Nevermind that those two were being losing money on each and every show, while Strikeforce’s gate alone seems to cover their payroll. Nevermind, as well, that the demise of Strikeforce doesn’t really hurt us consumers because about 70% of all the great matchups are still going to happen in the UFC but will hurt fighters by providing them one less promotion to bid for their services. Being mad at them for putting on a bad fight (Lashley vs the guy who lost to Bo Cantell) or mistreating a fighter is one thing. But to be angry at them giving Hendo an option seems ludicrous.

I’m too tired to continue, so in closing: go vikes!

by John Nash on Jan 16, 2010 4:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We're getting tired of clearing out the trash

So, the well is starting to poison itself.

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by Luke Thomas on Jan 15, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Its what happens I guess. I feel another wave of bans coming soon.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jan 15, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

History

I agree with the premise of this article, if, and only if, Zuffa chooses not to show a single Fedor fight, then in that case we are dealing with revisionism. However, this is never going to be pure history, this is purely business. I would love to see those fights though. Fingers crossed.

by b_radical on Jan 15, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

You have to admit, they'd have greater jusification for not doing that

by virtue of Shields being boring.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 15, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Fedor, I like watching him fight; but he has not yet earned the title of “greatest heavyweight in the history of the sport”.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Jan 15, 2010 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

i don’t know whether i should post this picture

or this picture

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely go with that one.

by John Nash on Jan 15, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

so I’m an idiot b/c I don’t agree with you? wow and F.U.

sorry guys, Fedor isn’t the best, he hasn’t beat the best in YEARS and even when he was fighting some top guys, he only beat a handful of them

like I said, I like Fedor, I’d love to see him earn the title

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Jan 15, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

So who would you say is the greatest hw in the history of the sport?

Remember here we are not talking just lately but over the history of the sport. I know some people now beleive guys like Mir or Lesnar are better now then Fedor but if we are talking the whole history of the sport who do you believe is the greatest hw?

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sarcasm?

I hope not, because there is a decent argument for it (that I don’t agree with).

I think Fedor is the greatest HW to date (which I suppose means “all time” at this point) but that’s only been a recent opinion change of mine. Until he beat AA and Sylvia I had Igor as the best ever.

Idealistically, I’d still like to answer with Igor. That man was a scary, stone cold, killer.

by Chris Barton on Jan 15, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No sarcasm…though I’d probably agree it’s Igor.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 16, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Does there have to be “the greatest … in the history”?
This term reminds me of Tito calling Babalu the greatest LHW of the night…

by dancingChicken on Jan 15, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s just a fun debate. like when i say the stones are better than the beatles

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but at least your statement is clearly correct while with the other there is some room for argument.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 6:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I honestly don’t know. Like I said, I hesitate to choose one b/c they haven’t decisively beat everyone else… I can see the argument about Fedor, truly, but until he beats the likes of Lesnar, Mir and probably a few others guys we can name, how can he be called “best ever in history of the sport”. That’s quite a statement. But same is true in reverse, I wouldn’t call Lesnar, Mir or another that until they beat Fedor. The HW div is still blooming a bit and until it does, it isn’t easy to name something like that.

And I’m sure your pic was a joke, I just get tired of guys on MMA sites saying I’m an idiot or some other name b/c I don’t think Fedor is a god.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Jan 15, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

just jokin around dude

but seriously, saying Fedor is the greatest HW is about as close as an opinion can get to being a fact. by any way you slice it, even with MMAth he’s the best. who do you think is better? Big Nog is the consensus #2, Fedor beat him twice. Best HW striker ever is Cro Cop, Fedor beat him when Filipovic looked like an unstoppable killing machine. who can you list ahead of Fedor?

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Jan 15, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I would go with the idea that he is the closest, but when using a term like “greatest ever” I prefer to think of someone who is a sure thing. Not just, well…we’ll settle on him because who else is there right now?

Really, the HW division in MMA is still growing and has always been a mix of small HW’s like Couture and Fedor who are very skilled and athletic and then big guys who are just big and semi-skilled like Silva. Personally, I’m liking the HW world in MMA right now, seeing guys that are athletic at 265 and don’t gas out plus have skills and not just size and strength.

So it’s a little hard for me to crown the guy best ever when I seriously think there are a half dozen HW’s out there that could beat him… I just want to see him fight them. Who wouldn’t?

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Jan 15, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on I do want to see him face a bunch of the guys in the UFC but

for right now Fedor has earned the title of greatest hw ever. He may someday get passed like how Hughes is getting passed by GSP but it’s nobody is saying we’ll settle on him because who else is there.

There is nobody else that even compares to Fedor and that is why he is considered the greatest hw in the history of mma. My problem is you cant say somebody is not the greatest hw of all time without having somebody to say is better.

If you dont think Fedor is the greatest hw in the history of the sport ok fine but at least give someone who you think is better. The argument that Fedor isnt the best because he hasnt faced certain guys is not a valid argument.. A valid argument is fighter A is the greatest hw in the history because of blank, blank, and blank.

Your trying to give people shit because they think Fedor is the best but yet you dont have somebody that you think is better all time than Fedor. If Fedor isnt the best hw in the history of mma than who is?

by bigdmmafan on Jan 15, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not the one giving shit, I just commented that I don’t think he is the “greatest HW ever”. I started into more after I got shit.

I have no problem calling him #1 current HW, just not the best of all time yet.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Jan 15, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, only beat a handful of them? He literally beat all of them.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

no, Fedor’s fight history is like half gimme fights and he has only fought a few HWs at the top of their game in Pride. Since Pride he hasn’t done anything… and that idiot picture should be used for anyone who thinks that Silva and Arlovski were true tests for someone who is supposed to be “the best”.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Jan 15, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

Sylvia is arguable, but AA was a legit test. A SERIOUSLY legit test. Only atrocious revisionist history could claim otherwise.

by Chris Barton on Jan 15, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol ok

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Jan 15, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you lost your freaking mind? Yeah ok lets copromote with m1 and give them half of the earnings. No one in their right mind would do some stupid shit like this. What gives those crazy russians the right to even consider this crazy shit and you are wrong for thinking that dana screwed up the negotiations

by bcgardner78 on Jan 15, 2010 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

A couple of minor points, stylistically. What I don’t get is the argument where is says “This makes perfect business sense” and then goes on to talk about the Hendo fight falling through and not inking Fedor. So in a way you’re arguing it DOESN’T make perfect sense. I think if you argued it from a purely business standpoint, saying its bad for business, as opposed to saying it makes “perfect sense” and then arguing it doesn’t, the piece would be stronger.

Secondly, I’m not 100% sold that is bad business sense. The more egregious thing was reasing Tito Ortiz from the UFC’s history, and yet they managed to resign him.

That being said, i do think treating Fedor better might help, but its something Dana has clued in on. If you look at the way he used to talk, it was much worse…now he calls his management “kooky” and stuff, but that’s allright. And he recently said Fedor was the only guy who could come over and go straight into a title shot.

But yeah, I thought the way Hendo was handled sucked. The basic point that Dana’s personality and Zuffa’s heavy handed tactics occasionally do have negative side effects is valid, but I’m not sure its warranted in this case.

by TLow on Jan 15, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

correction: erasing, not “reasing”

by TLow on Jan 15, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Nate has seriously lost it, there are so many insane thoughts running around in that post that it’s hard to ge to them all but i’ll try…

1. Who cares if Fedor isn’t featured on Spike’s best of Pride, these fights were already shown on FSN. The UFC as always has the right to do whatever they want with the footage they paid for put down the Fedor kool-aid and enjoy the fights I will.

2. Dan Henderson wasn’t worth the money he was asking for period, Nate vs. Hendo main event would draw less than Randy vs. Coleman once again stop living in the hardcore dream land and wake up to the real world here.

3. The only reason neither Fedor nor Hendo are in the UFC is because of money M1 wanted more money to line their pockest by exploiding their golden goose and Hendo wanted to get paid like a big draw somethin he isn’t. If the UFC would have bent over and agreed to the deals they wanted they would have damanged their business and opened up the floodgates to more problems.

Like i’ve always said the UFC knows what they are doing, they’ve proven they won’t sacrifice long term growth for short term gain that’s why they are number 1 and everyone else who challenged them is out of business.

by Raker on Jan 15, 2010 8:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

First, I think its a little sad how much one had to defend themselves the minute they make a negative comment about Zuffa. Personally, I believe that some of you should just stick with Junkie since you don’t like Zuffa ever being questioned on ANYTHING they do.

For me, I don’t find, “its just business” as a good enough excuse for continuously misrepresenting the history of the sport. Its kinda crazy but I expect the truth or at least a decent depiction there of. UFC’s 100 Greatest Fights was more like UFC’s 100 Greatest Fights(that doesn’t show fighters winning that Zuffa has beef with). Frank Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz didn’t make the list and neither did Tito/Ken 1.

In this instance, they tell you this is the Best of Pride when really it is the Best Of Pride Fighters the UFC has decided they want to promote…Fedor not being one of them. If Zuffa wants to only promote their product at the cost of historical accuracy or tell us a card is worth $50 when its OBVIOUSLY not then I expect SOMEONE in the MMA media to say something. The fact that Dana and his nuthuggers get butt-hurt every time this happens is the part that still amazes me.

"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday

by MyFistYourFace on Jan 15, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

You need someone to tell you if a card is worth your 50 dollars?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 15, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So because Zuffa owns the rights to the PRIDE footage they are under some sort of moral obligation to present it in its’ entirety without comment? Sorry bro, that’s not the way the world works.

by ufc4 on Jan 15, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Zuffa with no moral obligation, no way ? thats crazy talk.

by Killuminati on Jan 16, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you missed the point.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Jan 16, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

article seems a little biased against the ufc IMO

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by Bonedoctor on Jan 16, 2010 2:45 AM EST reply actions  

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