Frank Mir talks Fedor Emelianenko:
Mir says Fedor Emelianenko is too small to fight the bigger heavyweights. He said Brett Rogers, who is not a top-10 fighter, gave him fits because he was so much bigger than him. Mir described Fedor as "5-11, 235 with a belly" and believes he could drop to 205 pounds.
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Yeah but he has the sweater.
Keep firing Assholes!
Melvin Manhoff is my favorite fighter.
by Ubernoober on Jan 13, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
How the hell do u know he comments on every post ? Do you read everything that’s written here? Do u not have a girlfriend or friends , are you unemployed and flunked school ?
Wtf man
by JoelMan on Jan 14, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey where the hell do you get off commenting on someone who comments on the person who comments on everything? Do you have some kind of meta fetish or something?
by Django Z on Jan 14, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah I rec’d that
"In Russia, Hell goes to you!"
Wanderlei: "Me, afraid of Bisping? Stop the jokes!"
by actionbastard on Jan 14, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
seriously, there’s no room for that on be
by cagefightonacid on Jan 14, 2010 3:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
BE pays the first commenter on every post $100, it’s a pretty lucrative business.
by ufc4 on Jan 14, 2010 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ohhh Mir
I think he secretly hates fans on the internet, and he says things like this antagonistically. Its the only logical reason for this.
The man know simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
If I were Mir I would want Fedor at 205 as well. Just in case.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 13, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Maybe Mir’s right.
We should test this by pitting him against Tim Sylvia or Brett Rogers.
by TLow on Jan 13, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Sylvia and Rogers ain't that big.
What would happen if Fedor fought guys between 6’11" and 290 lbs to 7’2" and 340 lbs? He’d get destroyed, amirite?
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jan 13, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Was joking
since HMC and Semmy Schilt are bigger than Sylvia or Rogers and Fedor beat each of them as well.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
uh didnt he already do that?
hong man choi dude u may have missed it but fedor armbared him
Oh really?
He fought a guy who is actually 7’2" and 340 lbs like I listed above? Huh. Imagine that. Next you’re gonna tell me he fought a guy who is billed at 6’11" and 290 lbs on June 23, 2002. That would be utter madness!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jan 14, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
like
hong man choi destoryed him
HI YAH!
by Thats It For you! on Jan 14, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
fedor has fought big guys and one
semmy schilt 6’11 280 and hong man ckoi 7’2 kicked his ass
mark hunt
mark hunt was 290+ when fedor beat him.
Sylvia weighs more than rogers at like 280.
by hydras.teeth on Jan 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
holla for the Wu
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 14, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor’s biggest advantage up to this point has been his speed. He does not have a definitive speed advantage against guys like Lesnar, Cain, Carwin, Dos Santos, or Mir. Combine that with their additional size, and I could easily see him going 2-3 against those 5 guys.
I could just as easily see him going 5-0. He’s much faster than all of them except for maybe Brock.
The man know simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Jan 13, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Also in his last few fights, the timing of his counter punches has been on a whole different level from everyone else in the sport.
I dislike Matt Hughes. Shogun beat him like a dirty horse.
by MonkeyCHops on Jan 13, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor presents a mini-Anderson
challenge to the Big Dogs in the HW division. He’s certainly one of the most dangerous counter-strikers in the game, and his GnP is also quite vicious, but I don’t see him dominating Brock, Carwin, Velasquez or Mir on the ground.
He could knock their heads off, but if he didn’t do it early, I’d say he pretty definitively loses to those guys. That’s not a knock on the guy, but in a sense he’s like Couture..outclassed everyone in the division for so long that we think he’s invincible. It’s just that the HW division has become a lot bigger and more athletic in the last two years. I doubt Fedor can dominate against those guys. He can still make great fights with them, but no way is he dominant.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 13, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
velasquez
really isn’t that much bigger than him. And Mir’s wrestling is crap. The only person I really see presenting a problem is Lesnar. Carwin is interesting because he obviously hits very hard.
by Infinite_Jest on Jan 13, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think Dos Santos is a huge challenge too
by Austin Martin on Jan 13, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Dos Santos is interesting because he actually seems to be
a legit killer striker. But we have zero reason to believe Fedor wouldn’t just open him up where he’s (potentially) weak on the ground. I know, BJJ black belt, blah blah, but until we see them use it against superior competition, it’s moot.
Other than his killer striking, he’s in the same size range as guys Fedor’s been crushing for the last decade.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 13, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a purple or something. Either way we have no idea what his ground game is like.
The man know simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Jan 13, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't keep up with belt status of fighters
because it really doesn’t mean all that much to me. I was just guessing that, like so many other ‘top-rated up-and-comers,’ he had a black belt from somewhere. Thanks for the clarification.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 13, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Dos Santos is a purple belt under Nog bros.
For what you said earlier… Fedor is nothing like Couture. Fedor hasn’t lost in his last 27 fights, and thats if you even count that loss as legitimate. Randy hasn’t had a 5 win streak in his entire career. His best win streak is less than 1/8th of Fedor’s current. Their dominance is totally incomparable.
And I’m confused about why you think Fedor would have to win UFC fights early. His conditioning has never been suspect. Lesnar was about to start gassing hard against Couture. Mir fades as fights go on, and clearly isn’t doing much cardio work since he’s working so hard on bulking up. Carwin has never seen R2, so it’s a question mark. JDS looked solid going deep against Cro Cop, and Cain is a workhorse… but that doesn’t mean Fedor would have to win early. If he gets his timing on a counter, he could very well blast any of them standing.
As for not hanging on the ground… what? JDS is no slouch on the mat, but Fedor’s work from the guard is brutal. Carwin has previously had issues holding down smaller guys in scrambles, but made up for it by throwing slow but brutal power punches. Cain has never fought a good jiujitsu guy, so his sub defense is a big question mark that Nog is gonna answer for us soon. And Mir… he’s really active, but has shitty defense. And we are still talking about Fedor, a guy who totally tooled on Big Nog time and time again. The same Big Nog that Mir wouldn’t engage on the ground. Lesnar is the only one who would likely be trouble on the ground, but we haven’t seen him against a technically sound ground fighter yet. What he has accomplished is impressive, but he was able to do it because of Mir’s tendency to leave himself open while diving for submissions.
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jan 13, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
To use the local argot
^This
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
We do know that for the most part, Junior’s ground game defense is untested in UFC competition, and to me that means a lot if he’s fighting a guy like Fedor. Junior really hasn’t fought anyone with much skill in taking him down (Werdum never tried).
But definitely Mir and Carwin and Lesnar would be interesting. They aren’t only gigantic, they’re good. Carwin is a good wrestler (I never saw him have trouble keeping smaller guys down, who was that against?) and hits hard, I’d love to see Fedor defend against him there. And of course Lesnar. The Couture fight was still early in his career, Lesnar looked a different beast against Mir.
I'm pulling lesser known/referenced stuff here.
Carwin has fought a few guys way smaller than him before he was in the UFC. I was talking to one of them saying that he remembers being shocked at how big Carwin was, and then being really happy with himself when he initiated a scramble and got out from under him quickly and relatively easily after a takedown. That’s also his only memory of the fight itself, since he got clocked and put out shortly after that happened…
As for JDS, I base his ground skill on having seen his training. He’s no scrub on the ground. Unfortunately, the cream of the crop of submission grapplers get worked by Fedor. In Dos Santos’ defense, it’s not that Werdum never tried to take him down. He was too busy getting punched in the face to do much of anything.
I think that Lesnar or Mir are good, interesting fights for Fedor. I’m not so excited about Carwin, that doesn’t intrigue me much yet. Mir would likely get overexcited on the ground looking for a sub and Fedor would brutalize him for it. Standing, Mir is too slow to be much of a danger, and I could see him getting blitzed like Sylvia was.
Lesnar is the real question, since we still don’t know a lot about him. He’s never eaten any major strikes, so we don’t know how his chin is or how he reacts to getting hit. He’s also never been put in a compromising position to recover from. He might have a chin like Hendo and a heart like Scott Smith, or he might be Kendall Grove and Jamie Varner. His cardio will always be a problem with the amount of bulk he caries, but who knows if anyone lasts long enough to exploit it? I’d love to see him fight Fedor, but there’s a lot of stuff I’d like to see Lesnar do. His potential is intriguing and mysterious at the same time.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
the cream of the crop of submission grapplers get worked by Fedor.
Yeeehhhaa cowboy, now youre just making sh!t up, please tell me who you think your’e describing here??
while youre at it, when / where did you see JDS training? and whats the name of the guy who you were speaking to that Carwin couldn’t contol? I smell bullsh
Paniczoo reincarnated.
Cream of the crop grapplers
like, I don’t know, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira?
JDS trains in Souther California not infrequently, at Black House in LA and other area gyms. He was recently helping Rogerio prep for Luiz Cane at Alliance in Chula Vista.
I don’t like to name drop, which is why I didn’t do it before. The guy I met who fought Carwin was Rick Slaton. I met him at The Arena. He said he came in at 206-207 for the fight and Carwin was around 280, and took it because “[he] doesn’t want anybody saying [he] picks and chooses his fights.” He’s a real nice guy, very down to earth.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Did you see the Americana Kerr got on Fedor?
Anyone with more than half decent grappling skills could have finished that. Was so close to finishing it and game it up.
Mark Coleman had his back. This is Mark Coleman who is now @ 205.
Fedor isn’t a Maia on the ground sir. He is damn good but he is not beyond reproach.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 14, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don't expect him to be Demian
and I don’t think Fedor’s submissions are shockingly good. Nor his his ability to improve position. That said, he doesn’t need to. When I say he’ll work somebody on the ground, I mean he’ll sit in their guard and blast them. His top control is a thing of beauty, his submission defense is solid, and his ability to throw murderballs from guard is terrifying. After eating GNP for long enough, guys soften up to where he can either take advantage of his speed and reflexes standing or he can set up a submission.
I don’t that Fedor is indestructible or unbeatable by any means. He’s certainly not beyond fault, and I’m quick to knock people down for being overly loving of him. I just don’t see anybody at HW who has the tools to do it. If I had to pick one guy in the world to bet the house on vs. Fedor, I think it would be Rampage.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Rampage?
interesting. I would take A.Silva as I think Fedor might find it difficult to get into a clinch with him to take him down.
I can see your argument though, but it depends which Rampage shows up! Rampage v Hendo or Rampage v Forrest
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 18, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
i knew something wasnt right when writing that
thought the mistake might have been fukita getting the hold. turns out its my marks mixed up.
cheers
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jan 18, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
JDS is brown belt under Nog
video including some of his gnp and subs here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRXJ0TXpfc
And when did Fedor do this? “outclassed everyone in the division for so long that we think he’s invincible”
He has only beaten ONE of the current top ten HW’s and that was in 2004. He would be a lamb to the slaughter in the UFC. Trust me.
Paniczoo reincarnated.
I don’t know about lamb to slaughter but I do think he would lose in his first 3 fights in the ufc… jds is a legit striker and wouldn’t be throwing any flying knees, that’s for sure.
by cagefightonacid on Jan 14, 2010 3:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Warning: Awful logic and bullshit!
He has only beaten ONE of the current top ten HW’s and that was in 2004.
Ok, you know what makes people fall in rankings? Losses. You know what happens when Fedor fights people? They lose. You’re supposed to judge competition based on where they were ranked leading up to and immediately before the fight. Otherwise, Matt Hughes’ legacy is a ton of bullshit, he only beat awful fighters!
Not to mention that you are factually incorrect. Brett Rogers is ranked number 9, and Fedor beat him within the past few months. Big Nog is ranked number 3. So that’s two current top 10 fighters.
Fedor has also beaten Arlovski and Sylvia who are currently 14 and 15 respectively. How many top 15 heavyweights has Brock beaten? One. Frank Mir. And he’s 1-1 with him. Mir himself only has two top 10 wins, Lesnar and Nogueira. Noguiera’s only current top 10 win is Barnett, who everyone said is overhyped and doesn’t deserve to be there anyways.
While we are at it, you know who doesn’t have any current top 10 wins at all? Shane Carwin (the number one contender, last I checked), Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos, Gabe Gonzaga, Randy Couture, Cheick Kongo, Ben Rothwell, and Gilbert Yvel. Numbers 3-10 in the UFC haven’t beaten ANY top ten competition at all by your rules, and it doesn’t change from thereon out.
[Fedor] would be a lamb to the slaughter in the UFC. Trust me.
Oh wait, I missed that! I’m just supposed to trust you! My mistake. I’ll do right by you next time, sport.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jan 14, 2010 4:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I apologize to all of your for my mistake here.
I’m not much for editing, and forgot that I moved the benchmark. My oversight led to be compare Fedor and Brock’s top 15 opponents with Mir and Nog’s top 10, which is misleading. For the sake of honesty, I need to point out that Mir, Nog, and Fedor all hold a win over number 15 ranked Tim Sylvia. So, the count on top 15 wins for each of the top 4 heavyweights is as follows:
Fedor: 4
Brock: 1 (who has also beaten him)
Mir: 3 (one of which also holds a win over him)
Nog: 2
These numbers are meaningless, as I stated at the top of my last post, but I’m not the one who set the criteria. Immanent critique for the fucking win!
And… I need sleep.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
took that one to heart a little did we pdl, you're fun..
Turns out, Fedor is a machine after all.
Haha that was a very long winded way of proving my point for me pdl, my verbose little nuthugger.
I made the point that Fedor has not "outclassed everyone in the division for so long that we think he’s invincible" – not even close. You did a good job of confirming that buddy.
He has only beaten 4 of the top 25 HW’s – hardly clearing out thr division is it? He is in fact easily vincible and will get owned and humiliated in the UFC. Mark my words, he either never fights there or gets destroyed if he dares to.
To demonstrate Fedors lack of dominance in todays heavyweight division, here is how he ranks in wins over the current top 25 ranked fighters as compared to other HW’s.
Josh Barnett 6
Nogueira 5
Andre Arlovski 5
Fedor Emilianenko 4
Pedro Rizzo 3
Frank Mir 3
Gilbert Yvel 3
JDS 2
Brock 2
Cain 2
Carwin 1
Brett Roger 1
A Overeem 0
See Fedor is way down the pecking order as far as wins in the current HW division and is living off past glory from 5 years ago, when he has to fight well rounded HW’s at their prime he will get crushed. Hes less dominant in wins than Arlovski, Nog and barnett and only just better than Rizzo, Yvel and Mir this is because half of fedors fights were against non heavyweights or unrankable fighters who were hand picked for their losing streaks, lack of ground game, advanced years, small stature or being called Brett Rogers.
I never claimed the ufc guys had cleared out the division but they are all lined up to fight eachother in the next few months (jds v gonz, cain v nog, mir v carwin with winner v brock) and i refuse to accept people spinning bullsh!t lines about Fedor dominating the division and making us think hes invincible – you must be having a laugh.
If Fedor joined the UFC I would make his first year 3 fights against Roy Nelson, Gabe Gonzaga and Randy Couture – i doubt he could make it through those guys without a loss never mind Mir or the other top dogs.
Paniczoo reincarnated.
wow
I haven’t seen so much crap in one post in a long time.
I’m blown away by your logic sir.
by hydras.teeth on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
you should read some of mmalogic’s mind blowing “logic” from time to time.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Jan 14, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
According to your logic and your list there are more challenges outside the UFC where the three fighters with the most victories over ranked opponents reside and the total number of such victories by the top non-UFC fighters is 19 to 18.
As for your murderers’ row of Nelson, Gonzaga, and Couture, I almost feel compelled to flag you for silliness.
by John Nash on Jan 14, 2010 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's going home empty handed.
You never go full retard!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Didnt
Brett Rogers rank go up after losing to Fedor? LOL
HI YAH!
by Thats It For you! on Jan 14, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
yup - the M-1 effect
thats why I didnt cout Rogers as a top ten win for Fedor.
Paniczoo reincarnated.
He was between 10 and 7 before the fight
depending on who you ask. Knocking out #3-5ish Arlovski gave him a pretty good boost, and he was already around 15ish. His ranking mostly held steady.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I’m not sure about that at all. Dos Santos got hit far too much by Cro Cop for me to think that Fedor couldn’t get it done. On top of that, we’ve never really gotten a taste of his ground game, which could change everything.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
even though he’s fading, Cro Cop is one of the greatest strikers in MMA history. you’re gonna get hit by him
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 14, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
not when crop cop is as washed up as he is… he should of taken crocop in the first round…..that fight gave me my dos santos doubts
i disagree. and while i think cro cop isn’t exactly “washed up”, i will admit he’s a far cry from the killer he used to be. but a striker of his elite ability will always be able to hit you, just like if fat-ass James Toney comes in the UFC right now he easily has the best hands. JDS respected this, and he was tentative but a clear victor
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 14, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
He really only threw that straight left all fight (in terms of decent shots; he also threw a bunch of awful high kicks with no set up). And it kept on hitting. JDS should have been able to adjust over the course of almost 15:00.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 15, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see more of his GnP, he hasn’t used it for a while. His GnP in the fight with Herring was just brutal.
At what point did Randy outclass everyone in the division? When he lost to Enson Inoue and Mikhail Illoukhine back-to-back? Or maybe when he lost to Barnett and Ricco back-to-back? Oh, and we can’t forget the loss to Valentijn Overeem!
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I completely agree
outside that claim that Randy was outclassing everybody in the division until relatively recently.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
He still throws bombs faster than any of those guys can dream.
It’s explosive speed. And he never stays on the ground long. His balance and elusiveness – he bends like a tree in the wind.
by hydras.teeth on Jan 14, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah right, I’d bet even money that he goes 4-1.
by ufc4 on Jan 13, 2010 9:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
IMO, Fedor beat Rogers in ever aspect of that fight, even when Rogers had Fedor on his back, it was only for about 10 sec. and Fedor got back up and continued whooping Rogers ass.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
Yeah, its telling that people think Rogers is for real solely because he didn’t get entirely destroyed. He just got regularly destroyed.
The man know simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Jan 13, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
haha never thought of it like that, you got a point=]
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
Rogers only landed like 1 or 2 punches when he was in Fedors guard
Just the fact that Fedor was bloody made it seem worse.
Food goes in here
Small or not, belly or not, Fedor would still stomp out Frank Mir so…
"That muscle contraction, that core strength that kind of happens, that pulls together when you’re maybe smoking weed or whatever, you know, you’re coughing or whatever ... I’m not a doctor or a fucking scientist, but I’ve smoked plenty of weed. And, you know, I think in my opinion it’s pretty damn good for you."
I’m a big Frank Mir fan and respect his opinion, but he would get eaten alive by Fedor. The only guys I truly see giving Fedor a fit would be Carwin or Lesnar anf that’s simply because of their combined size and wrestling, and even then I think Fedor would be the favorite. Fedor would tee off on Mir since I don’t see Mir taking Fedor down
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Are you saying Carwin and Lesnar would have to combine their size to give Fedor fits?
by Skoobs on Jan 13, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting all these people saying Mir would have no chance against Fedor
Rogers was much more successful than one would think, and Mir’s all around game and is leaps and bounds beyond Rogers. The Kongo knockdown proved his Nog tko wasn’t necessarily a fluke of a strike as much as it was Nog being sick.
I actually think Mir would have a good chance against Fedor, especially with his new size.
And I’m tired of giving the same cliche lines about Brock/ Fedor. Brock wins.
by Austin Martin on Jan 13, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I feel you
mir was supposed to get smashed by Kongo…. I think it would be more competitive than people give him credit. I think anderson beats fedor on an unrelated note.
by cagefightonacid on Jan 14, 2010 3:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know if Kongo was “supposed” to smash Mir, I think so meny people wanted him to smash mir, it seamed that way. From what I’ve seen, I think Fedors down side is smaller figters, I would have to say the spider would beat him.
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
i wanted frank to win but everybody was saying he would get tko’d fairly easily… and i thought it was extremely possible.
by cagefightonacid on Jan 14, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
In what world was Mir supposed to get smashed by Kongo? And that insinuates that you’re comparing Kongo to Fedor which is just completely ridiculous.
by ufc4 on Jan 14, 2010 9:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ok, ‘supposedly’ was going to get smashed… a lot of people were saying he would get beat easily on the feet and was going to eat his words. sorry to insult your delicate sensibilities but i wasn’t insinuating anything except that people underestimate mir… sweet profile picture
by cagefightonacid on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Mir as usual is on the money, Fedor showed alot of sloppyness in the Rogers fight that he can’t afford to show against any of the top UFC HW’s. Guys like Cain, Carwin and Dos Santos aren’t just powerfull they are fast and can put a smaller guy like Fedor in danger like he hasn’t faced before. The last thing a guy needs is to be pressed up against the cage with a monster like Brock dropping hammerfist on your skull because it’s lights out for anybody.
I agree with Carwin and JDS, but Cain really seems to have pillow hands. He was connecting so much on Rothwell, who just had no defense. He had to batter Kongo in a 3 rnd decision, and Mir basically ended it with one punch.
by Austin Martin on Jan 13, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I stopped reading after “Mir as usual is on the money”
Sorry, he Jason Bourned me.
by MMAussie on Jan 14, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I stopped after the “Cain is powerful” bit.
by David_ on Jan 14, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I stopped after ‘Frank Mir talks Fedor Emelianenko’
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
by vivero on Jan 14, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
…You mean to tell me you did’nt think it was super awesome that he punched Rothwell in the face a thousand times and could’nt get an actual knockout…
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Jan 14, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
I hate these "What if" discussions.
I just want to see him fight all those guys.
Please!!!!
Please!!!!
Oh PLEASE!!!!!!!
by jammushi on Jan 13, 2010 10:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
Its all speculation. The only fact is Fedor is the best in Strikeforce, and was the best in Pride, which is a great accomplishment.
HI YAH!
by Thats It For you! on Jan 14, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, being the best in Pride is a great accomplishment. Being the best in Strikeforce? Not so much, especially when you aren’t even the champ.
by ufc4 on Jan 14, 2010 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh...
Being the best in Strikeforce? Not so much, especially when you aren’t even the champ.
Make the champ fight first, he’s off doing god knows what in other promotions still.
"Maybe Mur is going through menopause and is retaining water"---Ubernoober
You have to wonder if Overeem even remembers where he put the belt...
Maybe I’m on to something! Maybe, just maybe Overeem is avoiding defending the title not because of his obvious use of steroids but because he forgot where he stashed the belt and doesn’t want the embarrassment of showing up for a title fight without the title belt…
Nah, its the steroids.
oh wow
that would be like Brett Favre joining the XFL to show everyone hes better then Tommy Maddox.
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jan 14, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor=Tommy Maddox?
Mir=Brett Favre?
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by WeaponElDeem on Jan 14, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor vs. Frank Mir would go something like this.
(Frank’s the kid on the right)
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
by Damon O. on Jan 13, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
where the fuck do these gifs come from? that shit is crazy!
by Austin Martin on Jan 13, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
That’s more like Brock vs Mir.
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by poundnground on Jan 13, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda looks likes what Fedor and Aleks looked like when they were kids.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
i wanna see this fight
mir vs fedor is a great fight especially with the new muscled up and motivated mir we have now
ill still pick fedor cause well hes fedor and hes wearing the glorious sweater of absolute victory but hell it’d be a sick fight
Mir is right
Fedor COULD drop to 205, and that is a scary scary thought.
"Maybe Mur is going through menopause and is retaining water"---Ubernoober
Havoc would be wreaked on whatever LHW Division he's in.
Death and destruction would be common place at events. Followed by famine and Ice Cream.
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@deowade
by Damon O. on Jan 13, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Silva takes Fedor out. That’s the fight I want more than anything in MMA. I remember back when mmalogic was bullshitting about a Silva/Fedor fight in Dick Cheney’s underground bunker, I was pitching a tent all nite long
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by Anthony Pace on Jan 14, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. silva, IMO, is the best p4p and would pick fedor apart…
by cagefightonacid on Jan 14, 2010 3:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I respectfully disagree
I dont think a guy who was submitted by Takase and Chonan back in Pride would pick Fedor apart.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Some people have improved
since pride…
Fedor v Silva does not get to the ground imo.
BTW, I don’t think someone who has lost on cuts before would be wise fighting the most accurate power puncher in the game… would lose on stoppage. (The past works both ways)
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by Well Read Idiot on Jan 14, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
anderson hasn’t gotten better at all since pride, right? i mean he always gets submitted so easily
by cagefightonacid on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
he could drop to 205 easily think about this though if he really made a hard cut he could probably make 185
i dont think a single fighter in either class could beat him but a fedor vs anderson silva fight would be an epic epic war i got fedor with a 4th round submission though
Silva has never fought a guy w/ Fedor’s speed and power (not until Belfort), it aint as easy as we may think even standing up.
If that fails, expect Fedor to take it to the ground and finish the fight.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Okay.... I gotta pipe in now
I think you guys are getting a little too fat on the last emperors famous hype donuts.
Exactly how are you measuring “speed” when comparing Anderson Silva to Fedor?. Are you talking about the speed displayed against Rogers and Silvia?. Or maybe against Arlovksi?, the speed demon boxing expert that consistently beat him to the punch for almost 5 minutes before the big haymaker because of the slow telegraghed knee?
Anderson Silva never fought someone with Fedors speed and power?. I don’t think you have truly watched Anderson Silva fight. Ill say this again. There is nobody in MMA that has the combination of speed, footwork and timing that Silva does.
Im not just talking out my face. I am someone that had 35-5-2 amateur boxing record and several titles, that also sparred with AS a few times back before his fight with Leben
I guess you didn’t see his last fight against Griffin?. The same Griffin that out “sped” Rampage Jackson for 5 rounds, also took him down?. The same one that out “sped” Evans and was clearly winning before he broke his hand?
Even though Anderson has stated many times he would love to fight Fedor, that he would come in around 205 and Fedor could weigh whatever he wants to. Fedor will never sign for such a fight. But in the off chance he does, I hope I see you guys at the betting window.
Thank you for chiming in.
Someone had to say something, and it doesn’t take somebody who has sparred with Anderson to straighten out this nonsense. Which, by the way, that’s very cool that you got that opportunity. I’ve rolled (in gi) with top 3 grapplers, but never done any striking work with high level guys like that. Any fun stories to tell about training with Silva?
Fedor is a good heavyweight because he is a fast heavyweight. He’s fast because he’s both a freak and small. Anderson, however, is a fast middleweight. Sure they may look similar respective to their competition, but smaller guys, as a general rule, move faster. Anderson is quicker than Fedor, Urijah is quicker than Anderson, and the world keeps moving.
I’d still put my money on the Emperor by ungodly GNP and ground control, but wouldn’t be comfortable with the bet. Anderson would handily win the exchanges at distance, and Fedor would have to rely on muscle and takedowns to stifle his clinch work.
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-Randall Munroe
how the hell does this
I don’t think you have truly watched Anderson Silva fight. Ill say this again. There is nobody in MMA that has the combination of speed, footwork and timing that Silva does.
answer this?
Anderson Silva never fought someone with Fedors speed and power?.
Is that the best you can come up with?That Silva would destroy Fedor because he did on Griffin?
Fedor will never sign for such a fight.
How did you know?
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Well.......
You assume I was trying to answer something?
How do you answer bias,conjecture and theory?. With one of my own of course, not trying to change your mind or argue with you. I think the statements speak for themselves.
Did you think you had a lock on theories and ideas or something?.
by SimplePsych on Jan 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
i have to disagree with u on this
anderson silva is an absoltue freak of talent and athletic ability and true i doubt anyone in mma has his combination of speed footwork and timing and yes hes faster than fedor but not by a huge amount and would come in with a huge strength disadvantage. if fedor keeps it standing it would probably work against his favor sure all he needs is one punch but andersons striking is crisp and technically sound while fedors isnt anything pretty but it gets the job done
the one thing close to a weakness that anderson silva has is that his skills on his back arent as dominant as his other abilities and i think fedor comes in with a strong advantage on the ground. fedor managed to pummel a prime nog through his guard and i dont think anderson silva would fare any better since his ground abilities are nowhere near nogs
as i said before though a 4th round fedor submission is what i think would happen
Ok, that is fne, disagreement is a good thing
But all I am saying is that since the fight hasn’t happened and isn’t likely anytime soon. This is all just theory fraught with allot of assumption and its fairly baseless. I have heard these arguments many times before and have been an amateur boxer as well as a brown belt in Jiu Jitsu, fought in Vale Tudo and I know speed when I see it. I don’t think Fedor would be at the top of the list for speed. His stance is very awkward, he lunges and telegraphs punches and he gets hit far too often for my vote.
by SimplePsych on Jan 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
A little of column A and a little of column B
I think you are right about a lot of Anderson Silva’s positives, but as a fellow amateur boxer who started with an 7-1 record in Junior Gloves and AAU (will not say what I finished with) I have to disagree with how many weakness you burden Fedor with:
1) While his footwork is not the greatest, I have watched several of his fights with boxers who have commented how explosive he is. Is he faster than Silva? I don’t think so, but he is more explosive than any fighter silva has fought and that includes Nate Marguardt, Patrick Cote, and Lee Murray (who was a decent boxer but no where near the elite striker many claim he was).
2) Defensively Fedor is lightyears ahead of Forest. While his footwork isn’t at pro-boxer level, he has shown a great ability to slip, and bob and weave. You got to admit his upper body movement is usually pretty good. Watch the Arlovski fight again and see how many strikes he slips.
3) While Fedor’s striking isn’t as clean, quick, or technical (nor as good in my opinion) as Silva’s he has great MMA striking. Firstly, his awkward style of throwing everything into a looping strike may look awful from a boxing standup, but gives his opponents a dilemma: block the incoming blow or leave myself open to a takedown since his striking style easily transitions into takedowns. This is what makes it so dangerous, as he dips with the same motion he makes to take you down, an overhand is coming, If you hesitate for a moment, worried about the takedown, he’ll catch with a strike with everything thrown into it, including some extra torque that other strikers don’t use.
I think the fight boils down to this: if Silva can keep it standing and pick him apart from the outside, he takes it. If Fedor can close the distance and get Anderson to the ground it’s a long night for the spider. Either way it’s a great fight as I see Anderson as one of the few fighters that could really challenge Fedor (the opposite is true as well). The only other being a healthy Brock (and maybe JDS and Overeem but those two’s complete games haven’t been tested yet).
oh Frank. 1 year ago:
“Fedor’s the best heavyweight in the world,” Mir told me. “I hope one day I could fight him and do well, but right now he’s better than I am. As a martial artist you have to be truthful about yourself so you can approach your training properly and get better. Fedor has great killer instinct, he’s tough, he’s strong. If I fought him I’d try to catch him in a submission, but I don’t know if Fedor can be beaten. He’s the best heavyweight.”
http://www.mmafighting.com/2008/12/10/frank-mir-brock-lesnar-will-never-beat-me-but-no-such-guarant/
“I don’t see him dominating Brock, Carwin, Velasquez or Mir …
… He could knock their heads off, but if he didn’t do it early, I’d say he pretty definitively loses to those guys …
… He can still make great fights with them, but no way is he dominant.”
Fedor’s never consistently dominated. He’s dominated a few people here and there, but he’s had just as many or more matches that were roughly even … till it was over. He just always finds a way. That’s his mystique. 30+ fights, no legit losses. Saying someone like that “pretty definitively loses” under any circumstances … ESPECIALLY to some rando commando fighter with 5 fights, is a little over the top, no matter how beefy and scurry he looks.
Brock’s claim to fame is a 1-1 record against Mir. He’s still an unknown quantity.
Carwin’s is what was in all likelihood a fluke KO over Gonzaga.
Velasquez has nothing. AND poses no threat at all to Fedor. This is one that I could see Fedor dominating.
Mir’s got a TKO of a sick Nog, someone Fedor dominated twice.
Fedor’s a 2-1 favorite at minimum against any of those fighters.
by BorisK on Jan 13, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
in defense of the ufc guys
they are favored and ranked so highly because besides for nog for their physical abilities as opposed to what they’ve actually accomplished in the octagon
we all know that in the heavyweight division only nog and fedor have had lengthy runs at the top and havent been marred by inconsistency like everyone else
however brock looked like he was about to begin a reign of terror before he got sick,
the new motivated and heavily muscled mir finally looks like he has a fire under his ass to go along with his skill,
velasquez and jds are very intriguing prospects with good key skills (jds’ striking, velasquez’ wrestling)
and carwins a big strong wrestler with power
if u go by only accomplishments in the octagon noone comes even close to comparing to fedor, however styles make fights not records and i think the ufc has many intriguing matchups for fedor which could maybe lead to his first loss
Other than Lesnar
Fedor will be heavily favored against all UFC hws.
Dos Santos – Fedor’s chin and better stand up (imo) will guarantee a win.
Carwin – Fedor’s chin, speed and ground game will nullify Shane, he will pretty much only have the one punch KO chance.
Mir – Fedor is better on all areas, even subsmissions.
Velasquez – because of lack of power, only possible win is through a full fight hugfest.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
ever since Brock caved Mir's head in
…Frank has become obsessed with size. I’d love to see Fedor just annihilate him. Size =/= everything awaits penis jokes
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I'm starting to like MegaMir
but talking crap about Fedor is unforgivable.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Frank Mir talkin' bellies...
…classic!
Renallo: Anything you'd like to add about Jake Shields, Frank?
Shamrock: He called me a dick.
by The Pope of Chilitown on Jan 14, 2010 12:16 AM EST reply actions
ive seen this picture a million times
but what fight is it from? i cant remember
Joe Silva doing Frank Mir impersonation?
by dancingChicken on Jan 14, 2010 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
Mir is most definately a doosh but . . .
Fedor would def have trouble with the bigger heavyweights in the UFC – Lesnar , Carwin < JDS , Velasquez ,MIr .. all of these guys on any given night could beat Fedor . He just needs 2 get his ass outta strikeforce and bring himself 2 fight the best comp at the time .
No doubt he was the best heavyweight .. question is – Is he still ?
so then Dad goes and turns the knife on her .. then he turns to me and sez ........................................... Why so Serious ??
until someone beats him he is .. but he is keeping himself away from competition who have the best chance of beating him .
Fedor = propably the best heavyweight but def NOT P4P #1
so then Dad goes and turns the knife on her .. then he turns to me and sez ........................................... Why so Serious ??
by RearNakedBloke on Jan 14, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
Well put. I really can’t say he’s the best either. Look at what’s happened to Mir in the small span it took for Fedor to fight Bret Rogers? He fought and beat Nog, he fought and lost to Lesnar, revamped his training and gained a bunch of weight while not seemingly not losing his quickness. Look at Lesnar, who beat Mir, was much improved over his match with Couture, of course his recent health issues might be a problem, but even Carwin and Velasquez are learning and gaining incredible experience. It’s so dynamic in the UFC, where in strikeforce they’re struggling to find guys that will be even slightly entertaining, that and he’s fought seldomly, and even then he’s fought dudes that have little relative experience.
I’m not saying he’s not the best, but I certainly can’t say that he’s the best, because what he’s done in the ring and who he’s fought proves very little.
Why does this comment surprise anybody?
Let’s focus on the positive here ;-) . Mir is being Mir. Creating hype as he does so perfectly. Not that Fedor will care what Mir has to say, but if Mir ever left the UFC, they’d have some sound nuggets to hype the fight. And Mir is doing what he can to ensure that if Fedor joins the UFC and Lesnar is not in the picture, Mir will be first in line.
Mir is a brilliant self-marketer who truly believes what he’s saying at the moment it comes out of his mouth. Afterwards, maybe not so much.
Being overrated is overrated.
by bobby g on Jan 14, 2010 3:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
that's what makes Fedor Fedor
He’s always been the giant killer, plus he’s very good with his leverage & throws so that he can neutralize most size. Also being much shorter lets him work different angles and frankly it works for him. I’d be careful criticizing Rogers because Mir’s next matchup is against a guy with similar qualifications and record (Carwin). I’m not convinced that Carwin is any better than Rogers.
The man reason I would absolutely say Carwin is head and shoulders better than Rogers is...
that he is wrestler that has insane power in his punching, that is two of the main components of MMA right there.
Rogers punches and is trying, maybe, to learn some of the ground game.
Also
Mir is missing the point. Fedor the great doesn’t cut weight.
He never gets tired.
He’ll never stop coming for you with deadly force.
Unless you’re Nog you will fall.
It is foolish to
think anyone can run thru the top 5-6 UFC HW and go undefeated. I don’t care who it is. I think Fedor has the best tools to do it but if someone like JDS catches him like Brett did, I think the fight is over.
Fedor would be Mir 9 out of 10 times imo.
Light Heavyweight
Fedor definitely could cut down to this weight. I would love to see him fight Machida or Silva. In the UFC, we all want to see him fight Brock. Brock’s chin has never been tested, and the guy (other than Mir’s submission) who did best standing up was Couture who is about the same size as Fedor. I think with Fedor’s far superior striking, he could give Brock a run for his money. That is, if Brock has a chin made of anything other than meat.
205 Fedor?
I personally don’t think Fedor could make 205 and why would he want to? Those who want to fight him (and don’t fight in Heavyweight) could stop cutting weight and fight at their natural weight. Could Cro Crop make 205? If I recall he said it would be an impossibility. As an aside, Brock’s chin has been tested, Randy caught him with a good shot and he didn’t appreciate it, and Frank’s knee had Brock saying he was ‘seeing stars’ if I recall.
If Brock doesn’t come back would Frank leave UFC to fight Fedor? I don’t know, but if that were the case then Frank is making a nice first move here, which I what I think he may be doing.
Finally, while A Silva would be a competitive match up with an outcome difficult to determine, I would put my money on Fedor. It’s great to see the best getting better, I would include Fedor, Silva, GSP and Penn in that list.
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