Yoshizo Machida Believes That Lyoto Machida vs Anderson Silva Must Happen
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:46 PM EST
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Yoshizo Machida, father and master of UFC light heavyweight champion, Lyoto Machida, thinks that the dream fight against UFC middleweight champion, Anderson Silva 'must' happen:
There is only one champion, so I believe this fight must happen. It's a professional issue, and I believe they can fight. Deep down, everyone wants to know who is strongest. Friendship is friendship, but they're not amateurs. The eventual winner isn't my concern. What matters to me is how they win, and their strategy. This would be a mental battle.
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I introduced Lyoto to daily training at an early age. Anderson was born like that, but Lyoto wasn't. Therefore, it took a lot of studying, training and hard work to improve, while Anderson is naturally like that... I really like Anderson. He didn't train Karate, but knew it instinctively. Standing switches, stances, how to use his waist, moving with purpose as he advances and backs away, dancing without getting hit. The future of MMA isn't who can take more punishment, but the one who leaves with a clean face. Many fights are pure slugfests, but people don't see things ten years into the future.
He also talked about Lyoto's bout against Shogun:
A vital part of Lyoto's game, since his power comes from the legs, and Shogun killed his leg. At any rate, the experience was good for us, since we'd never dealt with adversity. Karate also has its weaknesses, but no one had seen them up until now. Shogun exploited them, and deserves congratulations. That's exactly what I told him after the fight when he was crying, pissed that he didn't win. Lyoto did his weight training and is a very strong fighter. A different fighter would've gone down in the third round.
Had Shogun fought as he normally does, with his arms, Lyoto would've knocked him out in the first or second round. We did not expect him to kick that much and neglected the karate defense, which is different from the muay thai defense. Before the kick, you move up and stop the attack. We already planned a different strategy for next time, studying everything.
In the full interview, he says that Vitor Belfort only uses his Karate on the early stages of a fight, and that Rashad Evans and not Shogun Rua was the most dangerous opponent Lyoto has ever faced.
HT: PVT Mag
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Shogun will spoil this bout and become the champ, so it’s really a matter of Shogun vs Anderson (which Shogun takes it, no doubt) :p
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I’d probably rather see Shogun v Anderson. The feeling out period for Lyoto-Anderson could be the entire first and second rounds.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
by Day Man on Jan 12, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also
apart from that, I’m not so sure they’d give their 100% towards the fight
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Yea and even if they did people would claim they held back.
Giving Shogun his props. I had the fight 48-47 Machida but Shogun put up a monumental performance and I am honored to have seen it in person.
by Day Man on Jan 12, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought you were talking crazy, then I remembered it’s summer in Brazil, and the heat’s just getting to ya:)
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 12, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
We will call this plan B. I am all for fighter fighting training partners, but its not the fight that I am chomping at the bit for. LHW is deep and to make this fight, contenders have to be wiped out. If its the only fight left, then it becomes a greater fight if it is not rushed.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
Friendship is friendship, but they’re not amateurs. The eventual winner isn’t my concern
It will be his concern if Lyoto gets franklined :D
Father Machida should instruct Lyoto to trash talk and challenge Spider just to get this fight done. But is see Rua beating both of them anyways.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
both?
I think Anderson would own him..
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
we shall see.. We majority of the community pretty much said that Lyoto would pick Rua apart standing up.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
^^^^this
Shogun is used to being underrated though, he’ll show most of this guys who is the real deal hehe
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Shogun used to being underrated? A little over two years ago many people considered him the unstoppable tap dancing baby Jesus of MMA and even through a couple of sub par fights and 2 knee surgeries he’s consistantly been a top ten ranked fighter. Seriously when has Shogun Rua ever been underrated?
by who me on Jan 12, 2010 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
for the past two years
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by Orcus on Jan 12, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well played
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 12, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think the difference though is that Machida waits for the perfect time to strike, where as Silva only needs a split second opening. There are times when I think Machida could finish a fight earlier. When it comes to Silva, there are times when I know he can finish the fight earlier, but doesn’t sometimes. Regardless, I would love to see that fight.
I love me some Sexyama!
I think the Evans KO showed that Machida also just needs a split second to destroy opponents.
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For sure. I should have worded that better. I just think Anderson is more decisive.
I love me some Sexyama!
He also needs only one punch to put you out…
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not so sure on that, he demonstrated against Rashad a lot of power, but he was peppering him first and then put him out. On the Thiago fight it was a drop punch (more powerful due to gravity), but aside from those he hasn’t demonstrated much power and a one punch KO power. He is getting stronger though, so I could be wrong.
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But I agree with you about Lyoto. I myself one said, that he didn’t demonstrate much power, and people basically called me stupid :D
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
but you’re right, he hasn’t really demonstrated that much power, although he has been working hard with a strengthening program, we still need to wait and see where that goes. But for now, even with the Shogun fight where he did land multiple clean shots to the jaw, I did not see Shogun getting rocked at all.
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I guarantee Machida wont KO Shogun. (ive said this on one of the post) The Lil Nog Thunder Hook didnt do it, I am convinced nothing will.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
agreed
aside from the power issue, Shogun’s chin is what Wandy’s used to be like back in his Pride era, before all the consecutive KO’s. Just a rock.
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Shogun's chin is pretty huge too!
for some reason i wanted to post this
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check this one out
Shogun’s lips and Wandy’s dad lol
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Some fighters have iron jaws, but that’s the reason God created livers! ( Bas Rutten FTW!)
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
He certainly sent Shogun stumbling back quite a few times, and Shogun was definitely wobbled after Lyoto clocked him clean in the middle of a flying knee (which hit the body, and Rogan joygasmed over while ignoring the effect of the punch).
Guillotine.
I am a big Machida and Rua fan and like most , I didnt give Rua a chance winning that fight specially standing up. With his preciseness and elusiveness, it really felt like Lyoto was untouchable standing up. But Rua did prove me wrong, he took Machida and owned him in the striking dept and slapped me in the face for doubting him. I even heard a whisper inside me “This is how you do it, bitch”
Rua brought me back to reality and pretty much proved that nobody is untouchable in this sport. There are too many aspects of it that one can take advantage. Rua definitely has the tools and given ’again" the right game plan, he can defeat Anderson Silva.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
In all honesty we can only speculate. But I would give the edge to Anderson over Machida. The reason being, his striking is much much more vicious. Like really really vicious.
Can’t call the Machida/Shogun fight though. Like both, but hoping for Machida. If I’m being totally honest, I think Shogun will get the right decision this time.
Shogun/Silva would be amazing but seriously, I can’t see anyone beating Anderson at 185 or 205.
there is a reason Shogun was always the favorite fighter from the Chute Boxe camp, Shogun knows the Spider game in and out, even though Anderson has upped his game a bit it will be no match.
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a bit
is a gross understatement of the year.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Please refresh me of good old Pride
Was there a time when Shogun, Wandy and Silva training at the same time in Chutebox?
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
yep
at one time, the whole clan was together; Wandy, Shogun, Ninja, Anderson and Machida!
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but the difference is, Anderson and Machida are at their peak now,
and not on the Chute Boxe days.. only Wand was at the peak then.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, he was really fucking good,
but I don’t think Rua is even on his prime now.. He just turned 28..
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
plus there's the Nog twins,
JDS, etc etc.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
but yes, people will argue that it isn't really a "camp"...
but whatever you call it, that’s the most impressive line up IMO.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s fair to say Blackhouse = people represented by Ed Soares
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EdHouse?
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by vivero on Jan 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
who train together from time to time.
well whatever.. not important.
All I’m saying is that BH line up > CB line up.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying BH is a joke, they are a badass camp no doubt (or number of camps, who knows), but I’m a sucker for the old Chute Boxe>BTT rivalry, and to me Black House is much more like the BTT of the old days, whereas there is no real substitute for what CB used to be (to me at least).
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He might know his game, but Anderson knows Shogun’s game as well. Shogun himself said that Spider was technically most advanced fighter in CB.
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Wandy said the same thing, CB trainers as well :p
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
he was being humble too :p
All the trainers too! There is a reason Andy was the first to leave CB… it was an internal fight that had the camp choosing to stick with Shogun instead of Anderson. Today they’ll say things to put the past to rest, but Wandy and Shogun were not big fans of Silva.
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Also, didn’t Anderson leave CB, because they screwed Pele?
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I heard it differently, there are a bunch or rumors on what happened, some people were saying it was financial. You gotta pick one and run with it!
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Man, you can get lost in those Brazilian dramas :)
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Man, all i know is that Brazilian fighters are the best
Gracies, Shogun, Machida, Anderson Silva, Nogueiras, Wanderlei Silva etc
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
there's a ton of americans, and a chubby russian guy who disagrees ;P
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well, I’d argue that it’s one Russian (who is a beast), but other than him there isn’t that many. Americans will always be part of the sport though, the UFC wouldn’t survive without American fighters (not saying they don’t deserve to be there), but Brazil has the biggest pool of foreign fighters active in major organizations. that is at least a big achievement.
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BJ Penn… Hughes… Chuck… Brock… Randy… Rampage…Urijah(ish)
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by Anthony Pace on Jan 12, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Watching Silva imitate other fighters is freaking uncanny. He seems to instinctually understand fighting.
Guillotine.
To be honest I can’t imagine Shogun beating Spider.
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson would crush Shogun or Lyoto in my opinion. Shogun vs. Lyoto is still a toss-up, but Lyoto’s seen what Shogun wants to do, and his element of surprise is gone. The leg kicks aren’t going to be enough this time, and Shogun will have to cut loose a little more. Should be a great one.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 12, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
remember, Shogun said prior to his fight with Lyoto (and got laughed at) that he had plans A, B, C and D ready for Lyoto, I’m guessing plan A were the leg kicks, he might still have 3 other strategies for fighting Lyoto!
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i just hope they both stop the defensive fighting and give us a war!
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
I actually liked the last fight quite a bit, I love strategic fights as much as non-stop wars. But we’ll see, this has the potential of being a war for the simple fact that Lyoto might change his stance and that could change the whole fight!
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I think you’re just beating my brow for doubting Shogun, and damn it, you’re right, but enough I say! Seriously, I think this fight will be just as interesting as the first, and I can’t wait. I feel like Shogun had his chance in the first one, when a lot of people weren’t sure how far back to his peak he was. Coleman and Chuck were good wins, but not elite competition. But I’m in the weird position of knowing that I won’t be disappointed regardless who wins, as long as it’s a great fight. So I’m drinking weak sauce, sitting on fences, torn between two lovers, and it’s rather uncomfortable. Always feels better when I’m rooting for one guy to destroy the other. But this, Shogun will crush Anderson, talk is just madness. Anyway, props to Yoshizo for being the old Hard Master. “I love them both, but now they must fight to death!!!” It’s just business, baby!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 12, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m just a Shogunista, so I have to pick him over Anderson (but I agree, it’s crazy talk, at least until he’s done with Lyoto).
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Any particular reason for your Shogun love? I keep thinking maybe he rescued your kitten from a tree or something :D
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 12, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
lol
just a big fan, been following him since he was fighting at Meca in Brazil (I was a big fan of his brother back then too in Pride).
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Right on. Loved Ninja when he came out as well. I’ve always hoped he’d get it going. Bas and Quadros would wet themselves with excitement. I remember the first time I saw Shogun in Pride, I was thinking, “Oh, Ninja’s little brother, hope he’s half as good.” LOL.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 12, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Plan A was to take him down (at least he said it in an interview).
by dancingChicken on Jan 12, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Plan D is the jumping roundhouse tornado, oh shit only one plan left!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 12, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
haha
or stumps! gets disqualified but fuck it, he gets him KO’d one way or another!
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Shogun: “What’s the big deal? Everyone says I would have won if I’d just gone for the finish last time!” Any move used by Sakuraba can have no dishonor attached to it!!!!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jan 12, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
GnP
Machida wanted no part of Shogun on the ground last fight
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Jan 12, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Lyoto vs. Silva would be Swwweeeet
Silva dancing around throwing wang-chuck hands while Lyoto is busting out hadukens and shoryukens.
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Good interview. I love how Yoshizo calls for his son to fight Anderson, whom he seems ot have a lot of respect for. I undestand why friends won’t fight friends, but ultimately, there is only one way to find out who is truly the best. I am really, really interested to see how the next fight goes. I think Machida beats Shogun again by decision.
I love me some Sexyama!
and yes I agree..
I think Machida wins this again.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
agree, I think Machida and his dad will have a better gameplan then in the first fight. Shogun admitted himself that he doesn’t change much from fight to fight since he’s been doing the same thing for 15yrs.
My ass.
He won’t suddenly become a wrestler is the point of that quote. He totally adapts and changes as a fight calls for. The Lyoto fight is proof of that. He changed his footwork, defensive movement, and measured his offense differently than any fight before.
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Wonder who took the picture
By the way that picture is stupid, “Dad hold the UFC belt while we stand behind you”
I did write who took that picture above.
It’s Marcelo Alonso, and don’t call him stupid.
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
in all fairness
he didn’t call Alonso stupid, just that particular picture
Goldie: "Michael Jordan-esque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter."
Rogan: "No, no he's not. No."
by Stillberry on Jan 12, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was a pretty cool picture.
The Machida clan with their Master up front with the UFC belt. That’s awesome. Reminds me of the Gracie clan.
I love me some Sexyama!
i'd rec this if i could..
good analogy hahaha
by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dana White Is Smiling
Sorry Yoshizo, bad both guys said no to that idea.
Yoshizo interviews >> Lyoto’s interviews
Fortunately Shogun has no problem fighting either Lyoto or Anderson. He would prefer foreigners. The only two fighters he will not fight is his brother and Wanderlei Silva.
Oh yeah, Shogun stated in the same mag that he believes Anderson Silva can beat Fedor.
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I have to say this. How on earth can anyone have definitive opinions about the outcome of Machida/Anderson, Machida/Shogun 2, and Shogun /Spider? Is it bravadoish machismo?
Shogun WILL beat Anderson? What the hell, I know that this doesn’t always work out, but did you see what Anderson did to Forrest compared to Shogun? Even a top notch healthy Shogun wouldn’t have been THAT much better! And Machida/Shogun 1 was so dammed close, how could anyone just ‘know’ that SHogun is going to clean his clock? Because he cleaned it the first time? He didn’t, he only did way better than anyone else did.
by Dooda on Jan 12, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Shogun didn’t fight Forrest, Softgun did.
We’re just having fun picking our favorite fighters. you are right though, we have no real definite answer to who wins each of those fights until they fight and have an official outcome, but if we’re going to be safe and not pick anyone in future hypothetical bouts than we’d have no fun.
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