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UFN 20 Post-Fight Analysis: The UFC's Lightweight Shuffle

Ufc_mediumAs the seconds ticked off the clock in the third round of the UFC Fight Night 20 lightweight main event showdown between Nate Diaz and Gray Maynard, one thought continued to rattle around in my mind. Would Gray Maynard actually be thrust into contention with such a lackluster victory? Would the UFC actually give him a shot at B.J. Penn when they've historically kept similar fighters in the dark?

It wasn't the most impressive win by any means, and some fans could argue that Nate Diaz did enough to win the first round and easily took the third round of action. While I could see some merit in that argument, the bigger story is how Diaz was still able to make Maynard look bad at times. For a supposed wrecking machine of a potential contender, a lot of fans felt he would manhandle Diaz with wrestling and a positionally dominant top control game.

Now, the opinion is turning toward a choice between Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard. Which lightweight should challenge for the title? Our own Michael Rome argues that Maynard's decisive win over Edgar and the marketability of a fight between a TUF coach in Penn and a student in Maynard has some merit as a storyline that could create some hype. While MMA math normally doesn't matter due to the business end of matchmaking, I'd agree with the argument. It's tough to sell Edgar as the next contender when he was dominated by Maynard at UFN 13.

But why would the UFC want to pit either fighter against Penn? The only logical reason is that Penn destroys either fighter and continues to increase his stock as one of the most exciting fighters in the UFC. Call me a "purist", but one-sided beatdowns aren't that appealing to me. My suggestion: Pit Takanori Gomi against Frankie Edgar or Gray Maynard for a true title contention match-up. Gomi should eat wrestleboxers like Edgar and Maynard alive, but his recent motivation problems could prove to be his undoing.

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Quick Thoughts

Efrain Escudero fell out of rhythm during the second frame of his match-up with Evan Dunham. Normally, I wouldn't use "rhythm" to describe a fighter's pace, but Escudero was comfortably landing combinations in the first round with ease. The second and third rounds were much more mechanical, and Dunham took advantage.

Tom Lawlor vs. Aaron Simpson was one of those fights that puts asses in seats, and it's one of the reasons why I like seeing these strong wrestlers who throw for huge power battle each other. The amazing thing about the fight is that Lawlor blasted Simpson so many times during the first round that he was visibly tired in the second and third from all the energy he exerted in the first frame. I felt Simpson did edge out Lawlor in the final two rounds, but I also thought Lawlor won the first round via a 10-8. In my mind, the fight was a draw.

Amir Sadollah shut up a lot of skeptics with his performance against IFL veteran Brad Blackburn. Solid striking ability, good defense, and great kicks gave him a dynamic stand-up game that easily beat up on Blackburn for three rounds. It really wasn't even close at any point in the fight. My only concern stemmed from his rushes in which he left his chin slightly exposed. Something tells me leading with your chin as you rush in is a knockout waiting to happen.

Undercard Results

Nick Catone def. Jesse Forbes via split decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28)
Gerald Harris def. John Salter via TKO at 3:24 of Round 3
Rafael Dos Anjos def. Kyle Bradley via unanimous decision
Rory MacDonald def. Mike Guymon via submission (Armbar) at 4:27 of Round 1
Thiago Tavares vs. Nick Lentz results in majority draw (29-27 Lentz, 28-28, 28-28)
Rick Story def. Jesse Lennox via split decision (30-27, 30-27, 28-29)
Chris Leben def. Jay Silva via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)

Only a couple of thoughts pop into my mind regarding the undercard. Rory MacDonald is a fighter that we should all be keeping an eye on. While he was the favorite against Mike Guymon, submitting the BJJ expert is a bit of a surprise. He has the BJJ skills to be a threat on the ground, but his striking is very good too. Keep an eye on this kid as he may be the next real talent in the Welterweight division.

Gerald Harris is also an interesting prospect in the middleweight division. He's become a real knockout threat, and the power he's been able to display in his more recent fights could be categorized as "scary".

Overall Thoughts

It wasn't an absolutely terrible event, but it wasn't great. With the style match-ups that we saw leading up to this event, we probably shouldn't have expected much for the card, but we do get some conclusions to some of the questions leading up to the event. 

Did Leben actually train for this fight? He must have. Can Amir Sadollah bang with a veteran like Blackburn? He sure can. Is there too much confidence in Escudero? Yes.

The only question that become more convoluted is how the lightweight's title picture looks. Unfortunately, I think either Maynard or Edgar will get a shot at Penn, and I'm not too keen on seeing either fighter face Penn's skill. I'd rather see Gomi fight one of them first, see where his motivation is, and see if he actually shows up to impress. If he does, it could spell huge for the UFC on the business side of things if they can promote Gomi correctly. Of course, he has to win as well.

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me wants Gomi vs Penn straight off the bat.

me don’t want Edgar of Maynard ruining a PRIDE/UFC LW unification bout… me hungry.

by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

I can live with that too.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

TALK ALL YOU WANT, i DON'T CARE!!

florian is the top contender for the 155 title! he may not ever beat BJ, but he will always be the #2. maynard doesn’t finsih fights! tyson griffin, maynard, sherk are always going to be fighting each other to a split or UD. sanchez, gomi, & florian are a toss up when they face each other but i would still put my money on florian.

BJ needs to fight a 170 top contender other than GSP

by mikeybear32 on Jan 12, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This

I’m sick of seeing those big Pride vs UFC fights get derailed. Just throw Gomi in there with Penn, if that don’t motivate him nothing will.

by Chris Barton on Jan 12, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Gomi < Golyaev < Mitsuoka < Yokota < Kawajiri

He’s right you know. Well linearly at least.

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by Sam Cupitt on Jan 12, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

UFC/Shooto/KoTC LW Unification

Is the best you’re going to get out of Gomi/Penn. :P

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think it’s kind of tarnished due to his losses to Golyaev (ROBBERY!!) and Kitaoka.

I’m gonna find that closet so I can present Kawajiri with the belt!

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

ahh, but none of those fights were at 160, so if Zuffa wanted to bring him out with the Pride belt, why not.

by Phildo on Jan 12, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

good point. hahaha.

all this talk of where the imaginary belt went is kinda weird… the bottom line is that Gomi is the last PRIDE LW champ, and he does have the belt. haha.

by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be legit, except

Takanori Gomi:
9/25/2005 Win Tatsuya Kawajiri Pride Bushido 9 Submission (Rear Naked Choke) 1 7:42

So in actuality… Gomi > Kawajiri

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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 12, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Same goes for

12/31/2004 Anderson Silva Loss Ryo Chonan PRIDE – Shockwave 2004 Submission (Flying Scissor Heel Hook) 3 3:08

Chonan > Silva? It’s 2010 BTW…

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree

Edgar Maynard don’t provide any intrigue…Even with an eliminator why not just have penn fight the free man in the interim

by SES 84 on Jan 12, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

— pics via sherdog.com

Chris Leben def. Jay Silva via unanimous decision (30-27 × 3)
Leben vs. Silva

Rick Story def. Jesse Lennox via split decision (30-27 × 2, 28-29)
Story vs. Lennox.

Thiago Tavares and Nik Lentz fought to a majority draw (29-27 Lentz, 28-28 × 2. Tavares was deducted a point for low blows.)
Tavares vs. Lentz.

Rory MacDonald def. Mike Guymon via submission (armbar), 4:27 of round 1
MacDonald vs. Guymon.

Rafael dos Anjos def. Kyle Bradley via unanimous decision (30-27 × 3)
Dos Anjos vs. Bradley.

Gerald Harris def. John Salter via TKO (strikes), 3:24 of round 3
Harris vs. Salter.

Nick Catone def. Jesse Forbes via split decision (28-29, 29-28 × 2)
Catone vs. Forbes.

by Nick Thomas on Jan 12, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’m not sure about the talking point that Gomi will eat boxer/wrestlers alive. He certainly has never fought someone on Gray Maynard’s level.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

do you mean "beat" a guy on Maynard's level?

cause he did fight BJ Penn…. and how high was Sakurai and Pulver ranked at the time Gomi beat him? pretty high if i remember correctly.

by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I was referring to wrestling. He has never fought a wrestler like Maynard.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

He could outwrestle Gomi maybe,

but I doubt he’d do that, unless he got rocked, cause Maynard seems content with wanting to “stand and bang” a lot recently.

by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

After last night

What makes you think Maynard will go back primary to what he does best (Wrestling)? He seems to be more concerned with his boxing and I guess making an effort to “entertain” the crowd with his standup.

by 831 Son on Jan 12, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know what he will do. Maybe he will fall into the Koscheck trap. Hopefully Couture’s guidance will prevent that. I don’t think Gomi poses any threat off his back, which is the main reason Gray avoided taking Diaz down. So I don’t think last night really says much about how he would approach a Gomi fight.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Right. He was going out of his way to stay out of the guard of Diaz. He wouldn’t do that with Gomi.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 12, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

waaaa.

Some “wrestler” didn’t take down a guy that would tool him on the ground so he’s given up on his best skill and only cares about what the mongoloid stand and bang crowd wants.

waaaa

by Phildo on Jan 12, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he didn’t take down a superior grappler, you assume he’s turned his back on his wrestling base for boxing? What part about his stand-up was “entertaining” to you? He did what he had to do, barely.

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Similar to air quotes

Quotation marks enclosing a word means sarcasm to most people. So my use of the word “entertain” is in fact exactly the way you used it: Sarcastically. In fact, if you used it yourself, how can you confuse my use of the word as literal?

by dv8shun on Jan 12, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

BRB

I’m going to create a second account to respond to you.

My above post was a FAIL at sarcasm, thanks for not answering the question though.

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He outwrestled and dominated an Olympic silver medalist in a submission wrestling tournament.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

That was fairly meaningless. And, of course, Nagata is not really comparable to Maynard in either style of wrestling or relative experience.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Style and experience are a bit different obviously, but an Olympic level wrestler is an Olympic level wrestler, any way you cut it. I think you’d be surprised at what Gomi would offer Maynard. I’d be willing to bet Gomi blasts him with better striking, if he actually shows up motivated.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You realize I am a guy with every SHOOTO DVD right? I am pretty familiar with Mr. Gomi.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

oh no you didn't..

you didn’t just whip out your dvd collection to prove a point. :P

PS
(I’m just busting your balls, don’t take it too seriously)

by Anton Tabuena on Jan 12, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all. Although my collection rules. Every Pancrase, RINGS, SHOOTO! It was just funny to see someone play the “you don’t know Japan card on me!”

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if I get there first.

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by Tonley on Jan 12, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You seriously want to compare MMA fight collections? Because I’m pretty sure nobody can rival my collection.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!

/internet instigator

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by Tonley on Jan 12, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you can win this one. Best to back away slowly. Regardless, I assure you, I know who this obscure young Japanese fighter Takanori Gomi is.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don’t feel like dragging out terabytes of MMA fights into this… but we’ll agree to disagree on this argument. I think Gomi could dominate some of these wrestleboxers.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Still thinking about which wrestleboxers Gomi has fought besides tiny dudes and maybe Kawajiri.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He crushes C-level boxers with good wrestling. Gomi’s wrestling is way underrated by North American fans, it’s almost sad that many fans don’t do the research. Maynard would be a good test, but Gomi has the power and skill to crush Maynard, who looked more like Dan Henderson last night in trying to load up a right hand than actually box.

Edgar and Maynard are a bit better than C-level boxers, but I’d love to see a motivated Gomi versus either guy. I think Gomi turns heads in those fights.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Who are these wrestlers Gomi has “crushed?” A 145 pound Jens Pulver? Kawajiri?

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

There really aren’t any recently, but Kawajiri’s style is definitely a good comparison to some of the styles he’d run into in the UFC’s LW division. And he finished him.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

And I’m not saying he has “crushed” wrestlers. I’m saying he would crush those wrestlers in the UFC. Counter my argument, but I think Gomi is going to surprise some people if he actually trains hard.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to know how he’s doing/did against Fitch, Koscheck, Swick and Thomson while training at AKA.

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I’d say that Ishida (when Gomi fought him) is arguably just as good of a wrestler as Maynard. His double leg is just ridiculously powerful, that guy just used to plow through people. Just watch his 1’st fight against Melendez (who is a very good wrestler in his own right) to see how great Ishida’s wrestling is.

Now, Gray is a fantastic wrestler, but Gomi has fought some great guys in the past. Alot of how well Gomi does just depends on how fired up & in shape he is, and a motivated Gomi is a handful for anyone. Aside from BJ, the only guys I see even hanging with a motivated Gomi are Maynard, Edgar, & Florian

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by ElliotMatheny on Jan 12, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Gomi! He’s a good fighter. But the history of Japanese fighters coming to America is littered with failure.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jan 12, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I think Gomi is getting overvalued a little here.

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by Rundownloser on Jan 12, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

seems real simple to me

Penn vs. Gomi
Florian vs. Sanchez II
Edgar vs. Maynard II

by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jan 12, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

yep and everyone of those makes sense. Penn/Gomi is a great fight, but I think the UFC would prefer it be at Aloha stadium.

Florian just wasn’t where he is today as far as strength/conditioning. He’s improved and the first fight he was 30 pounds over his natural weight and that was a soft 30.

Edgar/Maynard would be fun cause Edgar has improved his jitz and boxing.

by Matthew Roth on Jan 12, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Florian could be a real threat to Penn with more weight/strength...

However, he needs more time to both actually prefect his game with that new weight/strength as well as prove he is a new enough challenge to support another shot at Penn.

by Razreshat on Jan 12, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Florian gets

to fight at 175 and BJ at 145?

by Riney on Jan 12, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

If they have Penn and Gomi fight now, they can legitimately claim that it is a rematch between the two greatest light-weights in the history of MMA, and that claim would not even be hype. Further, I’ll bet even most people who like Edgar or Maynard would be more excited, whether they would admit it or not, to seeing Penn/Gomi.

And plus, think of this. You could have Penn/Gomi at the same Abu Dabi event as Hughes/Gracie. Probably, both Hughes and Penn would win. It seems to me that sets up a huge rematch between Hughes and Penn for Hawaii. They are one-and-one, it would be the deciding match in the series.

I would be unhappy if I felt the UFC were protecting Penn from Frankie Edgar or something. But the truth is they would only be protecting Penn’s pay-day. I don’t feel that Penn has any responsibility to defend his title against fighters who are clearly much less talented than he is, and who haven’t made a believable case that they can beat him.

Let Edgar fight Maynard. Let Sanchez fight Florian. Let the winners of those two fights battle it out. OK, now you have a guy that I feel BJ should fight.

by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jan 12, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this

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by Damon O. on Jan 12, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

"some fans could argue that Nate Diaz did enough to win the first round"

Were they watching the same fight I was? Round 1 was surely Maynard’s.

by Amsterdaam on Jan 12, 2010 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Disagree

I thought Nate won rounds 1 and 3.

Nate was the aggressor and landed many more shots. Look at his face and look at Maynards face and decide who took more damage?

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by aaronb on Jan 12, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Damage (rightfully) isn’t a criteria for judging.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 12, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

So what is the point of fighting? Maybe the judges should adopt Olympic boxing scoring. This still bothers me that Rashad won while doing ZERO damage in a fight he was almost finished.

by Riney on Jan 12, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoever won that round didn't do so convincingly...

I was rooting for Nate, so I had it for Nate. I could see it the other way as well, but neither of them were all that effective and neither of them were hurt. Nate landed more punches, Maynard arguably landed better punches, but going by the old face test, Maynard caught the worst of it.

Bottom line is that while you can argue for either fighter, I don’t see how you can say one “surely” won the round.

by Monte Fisto on Jan 12, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice situation we have here

Maynard wins another split decision, this time against Diaz, but looks so unimpressive doing so. He’d get murdered by Penn.

Frank Edgar lost to Maynard two years ago but has a 3 fight winning streak which ended with a win over….Matt Veach.

Maynard and Edgar vs. Penn in a 2 vs. 1 title fight. Do it.

Fun Fact: These Ultimate Decision Nights…Ultimate Fight Nights have been full of decisions on the main card. The last 3 UFN main cards have featured 9 decisions and 3 submissions in total. I’m annoyed.

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by SSreporters on Jan 12, 2010 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

I support this. I shall wwrite to the UFC and demand they start putting on squash matches on their fight nights.

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by Sam Cupitt on Jan 12, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

well said

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by Well Read Idiot on Jan 12, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

They already put Johnson vs. Howard on their next card....

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by SSreporters on Jan 12, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the UFC’s LW division that deep? People seem to be giving Maynard a pretty hard time for a guy who’s gone 7-0 in the UFC’s putatively deepest division. It must be, then, that most believe that the LW division isn’t that good. Maynard’s boxing was very good until he got tired and reckless in the third round. His boxing is clearly better than any other LW’s out there, except for Penn.

I think people are primarily disappointed in Maynard’s performance because they wanted him to win dominantly so that it would at least appear that he had a chance of beating Penn and make that match up interesting. It’s clear now that he has no chance and that there are no good LW title fights on the horizon.

 

by The Darkness on Jan 12, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

BJ Penn vs. The Entire UFC Lightweight Pool at the same time

I got Penn by TKO (strikes) in the 2nd round.

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by SSreporters on Jan 12, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

People give him a hard time? The UFC gives those types of fighters a hard time, not just fans. It’s the style in which they fight that truly screws these guys over.

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by Leland Roling on Jan 12, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of the problem is that B.J is doing something other UFC champs don’t do- fighting frequently. It’s great and i’m all for it, but it gives less time to establish a definitive top contender. I’d like to see Gomi fight him next anyway. In the absence of another clear top contender do that. Put up Edgar vs Maynard, hope Edgar wins and then do another title fight in Jersey, then let B.J Penn move up again.

by TLow on Jan 12, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

no way gomi deserves the shot

whos he beaten in the past 3 years? sure in his pride run he was good and deserved an immediate shot but he definetly doesnt now

by milk72 on Jan 12, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Gomi just beat the King of the Cage and Shooto Champs, at least he’s fighting and beating the best people they offer him.

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

gray maynard is becoming the yushin okami of 155.

Hard to beat, but boring as hell and always a decision.

by willydynamite on Jan 12, 2010 12:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Except

Maynard doesn’t own a win over BJ. Which I thought made it more compelling to have Silva/Okami II.

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

noone counts that as a win the way no one counts matt hammil beating jon jones

by milk72 on Jan 12, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Anderson Silva and Jon Jones count them, every time they look in the loss column.

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i know i’d rather take a loss and be awake than win and be asleep

by cmcbeast on Jan 12, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea! Because coming to fight is way more important than winning! Right?

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Last night’s big winner was definitely Takanori Gomi. Maynard looked totally ineffectual without his typical size/reach advantage. I don’t think he’d stand much of a chance against Gomi, let alone Penn.

by smoogy2 on Jan 12, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

gomi florian should determine who gets a title shot

let bj roll through either maynard of edgar and then let him fight the winner of this fight, florian really looked like he’d improved his game significantly beating guida and he’d come into fighting bj not trying to attack bjs cardio which is no longer a weakness for him

also if gomi wins u get a solid pride vs ufc fight thats justifiable since gomi would have just beaten a real opponent

by milk72 on Jan 12, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You do remember what happened to Florian right?

Just making sure that you remember what happened last August before I proceed.

Edgar and Maynard shouldn’t even be allowed to be in a ring with Penn. That would just be criminal. The only people in the WORLD that really have a decent chance with BJ are Alvarez, Melendez, Aoki, Kawajiri, and Gomi. That being said Penn vs. Gomi 2 should happen before anything else, eventhough Gomi got manslapped in the last bout (Part 1 and Part 2).

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by Damon O. on Jan 12, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ's howling laughter during a choke

is scarier than Rampage’s Teen Wolf act after a win. A million times over.

And to add to your list, I think Josh Thompson is being undervalued as of late because of his long layoff. If he’s back in shape and knocks his rust off, he’d be an interesting fight for BJ thanks to his length, striking, strategy, and size. His skill set and physical attributes arguably make him a better fight for Penn than Aoki is. I’ll still take BJ as low as -300, but I’d also throw in my $49.99 to watch it.

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by pdl on Jan 12, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It really looks like the laugh of an unstable, maniacal person.

GIVE UP?! GIVE UP?!

by Big4Nuthin' on Jan 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ would MURDER

Melendez and Aoki. Would like to see the Alvarez fight too.

by Riney on Jan 12, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I'm sure of this too

But no one in the UFC stands a chance.

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by Damon O. on Jan 12, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

At this

point I don’t know of too many 155ers walking the earth who have a real shot.

by Riney on Jan 12, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We just saw it, but...

Kenflo still looks like the #1 contender in the lightweight division. And, I think his second fight with Penn would be more interesting, as he’d hopefully throw more muay thai and less “pressure” at Penn.

by superflat on Jan 12, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

no way i pay for penn/florian 2 this early. i think florian needs at least 2 or 3 more wins. match him up with maynard or edgar and feed gomi to penn

by cmcbeast on Jan 12, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Varner should get the shot at BJ, because he comes to fight

by IRodC on Jan 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Yea! Because coming to fight is way more important than winning! Right?

by CSKit on Jan 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy Solution

Have Maynard and Edgar fight Penn at the same time. I know it sounds silly, but it’s actually the fairest fight I can think of right now.

by Chadsac on Jan 12, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

Gomi would destroy Maynard and Edgar?, in what plant news flash Gomi isn’t the same guy he was 4 years ago. The only way he would beat Maynard is if he pulled what he did last night, if he worked his takedowns he’d have Gomi gassed and pound him out by the second round. Edgar is too quick and way too technical for Gomi to handle, he’d make him look silly for 3 rounds just like others have. People need to stop with the overhype on these guys that are past their prime and done, Gomi’s time has come and gone while Maynard and Edgar are still improving.

by Raker on Jan 12, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

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