Dan Henderson Not Currently Signed to UFC
by Kid Nate on Sep 9, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
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Josh Gross has been burning it up on twitter:
Shootin down a rumor. Dan Henderson won't fight Antonio Rogerio Nogueira in his next fight. In fact, his next fight might not be in the UFC (link to tweet)
According to a source close to Hendo, Dan is a free agent. The source said Dan wants to remain in the UFC. It makes the most sense. (link to tweet)
But as of right now he doesn't have a contract with Zuffa. Negotiations were characterized as "slow." Dan's main focus is fighting A. Silva. (link to tweet)
He'd entertain a fight @ 205 if it had title implications. Source also said Dan would fight Silva @ 205 if The Spider preferred. (link to tweet)
Kelvin Hunt comments on the rumor mill that seems to be spinning around Anderson Silva:
I don't know what the deal is with Ed Soares and news that comes out about Anderson Silva. This is like the third time within the last 2 months that some news has come out, only to be totally rejected by Silva's manager like it never had any truth to it whatsoever.
Henderson is on the horns of a dilemma. He's not seen as a PPV draw. This is despite his having coached TUF and capped that season off with a dramatic KO of rival coach Michael Bisping at UFC 100, one of the most viewed UFC ppvs in history. And let's not forget, his title bout against Quinton "Rampage" Jackson drew 5.93 million viewers on Spike TV in 2007.
So from Dan's perspective he should be treated as a big draw, but it's obvious that Anderson Silva doesn't view him as a big enough draw to be worth fighting. Anderson Silva wants the kind of huge payday that fighting Randy Couture or Tito Ortiz at the top of a PPV card would bring. And because he's clearly shown that he will use every kind of passive aggression when forced to face undesirable opponents -- dogging it in the Octagon like he did against Leites and Cote, letting his camp put out mountains of misinformation (Anderson's having elbow surgery, he's willing to give up the middleweight belt), publicly announcing a boxing match with Roy Jones, Jr. following his UFC retirement -- the UFC is in a very tough position vis-a-vis Anderson Silva.
Moral of the story, Dan Henderson should have made the most of his shot at Anderson in the Octagon, you never know when that kind of opportunity will arise again.
I think the best solution is for the UFC to rain money on Henderson and Nate Marquardt and offer them an interim title fight. Make the fight happen Dana. Silva not having surgery does complicate matters, but if he'd rather be fighting big money opponents at 205lbs, it's not fair to the middleweight division to have the belt go undefended.
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Strikeforce should jump on this guy for a one fight deal. It would give Mousasi a challenge and boost up Hendo’s stock to the UFC should he win.
I don’t see it happening, Dana won’t let it happen, Hendrson probably knows that would be a bitch move and it’s risky for strikeforce.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I don’t see it being a bitch move, it’s just smart for him to be open to strikeforce as well. if strikeforce can give hendo a great proposal, this will only give him more reasons to use it as leverage to increase his pay in the UFC.
Yea
It would also force Strikeforce to up their payscale a bit to get him….
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If Hendo went to SF, even for one fight, I think that would irk Dana big time. Would it be enough not to resign him? I dunno. Depends on how much Dana feels slighted, and how much Dana wants to kill SF. If I were Dan, I would stay put. Too risky. (eg: what happens if he loses?)
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Would Dana really be that upset if Hendo left for a better deal. Let’s say the UFC thinks Hendo isn’t worth more than $400,000 a fight. He isn’t a big draw, and doesn’t hold any title. Now Strikeforce, desperate for high caliber fighters to legitimize their org, may think that it would be worth it to pay him $650,000 to fight Gegard on CBS. Would Dana really be that mad at Hendo for taking that offer? Would he expect a fighter to take substantially less to fight in the UFC and then would be prepared to blackball him if he doesn’t?
Wow. Something seems wrong with this. The UFC is so careful about guys with contracts that are close to expiring…why would they let Dan fight Bisping in the last fight of his contract, then have the ability to walk away? Gross is a reliable guy normally, but I just don’t think this could be true.
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I'm sure they still have an option
to match any offers he gets from other organizations.
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Quick question – how do you match offers in mma? In other pro-leagues contracts are written under basically the same guidelines. And if there is any discrepancies it can go to arbitration. But let’s say the UFC was offering a low guarantee and a cut of the ppv, but Strikeforce was offering a high guarantee and a bonus if he fights on CBS and ratings reach a certain point. How would anyone judge if the offer was matched? Just curious?
Wouldn’t that be kind of dumb though? They’d essentially be letting the competition dictate the terms of his contract.
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That’s how it works though. It’s done in all sports.
If they don’t like the terms, they don’t have to sign the deal.
That’s how it’s done when a guy’s a restricted free agent. My point was that it should never have got to this point (if it actually did). They should have done what they always do – renegotiate with one fight left on the deal, and if they guy wants to walk, bury him. Don’t give him the opportunity for a high-profile KO before he goes on the market.
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You can’t keep them from fighting forever.
If they let Hendo fight his last fight, they either thought they were very close to getting a new deal done, or they had to give him a fight because of the time constraints on the contract.
I really don’t think it’s that much of a concern, Dana likes Hendo, and SF has not shown that they are able to compete with Zuffa for the top talent. Fedor is a special scenario, but Tito had plenty of opportunity to sign with them and came back. Tito is probably worth a little more because of his drawing power, but they’re at similar points in their careers, so I think it’s a fair comparison.
i hate josh gross
(can i say that?) hates a strong word, but this guy has never been reliable. whenever he reports, it’s something anti-zuffa…. i never take anything he says seriously.
by cagefightonacid on Sep 9, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
uhmm . . . while it is not fair to both Henderson and Marquardt.
For a guy that was given an unprecedented TWO title shots coming into the UFC organization, he sure seems bent on competing for a title shot. If he were granted a title shot, and loss, what would his next move be? Win 1 or 2 fights in the LHW and demand a title shot?
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They only did that to unify the belts for the fans..
Hence the reason there isn’t 2 belts anymore and it’s only the UFC belt that counts.. It just so happened that the UFC champs, at the time, beat him in both his unification bouts..
Hendo had his chances at the titles.. He needs to take out everyone around him to get an undisputed shot at the title.. How is it more fair for Hendo to get one and not Nate ?? Nate has done just as much, has he not ?? It’s only fair to both of them & Silva to have them settle the #1 contendership.. Winner gets Silva..
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Well both have three recent wins and to me Hendersons wins are over better fighters. Nate has Kampman, Maia, and Wilson Palharies (sp?), Franklin, and Bisping. Bisping was thought to get a title shot next if he beat hendo but we see where that got him. Just for the record i see maia destroying Bisping
EXACTLY !!!
He had 2 title shots already.. He should have made the most out of those chances when they were there..
He’s a decent fighter, but both champions in both weight classes would beat him (1 already has convincingly).. He should make a claim for his spot by beating out everyone else in a division before asking for title shots.. Florian had to do it.. So should he.. There should be zero doubt as to who is the #1 contender when & if either of those guys gets another shot at Silva.. For one Silva earned that right by beating all comers.. Silva want’s to fight big fights.. Who can blame him ?? The guy is willing to go to any weight division he can reach to fight the best possible fight they’ll give him..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
You’re absolutely correct.
Shogun was considered the best LHW and the UFC gave him Forrest Griffin?!?
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But Dan was the champ
Shogun was just the #1 contender in PRIDE.
Forrest was a stepping stone directly to a title shot for Shogun, it’s his own fault that he chose to fight hurt and undertrained.
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. . . and Dan lost twice
Here’s some more examples for consideration.
Cro-Cop (Grand Prix Champ) – Eddie “whatever his name was”
Rampage – Marvin Eastman before his title shot against Liddell
Wanderlei – was not given a title shot (although he was no longer champ, but long running)
it wouldn’t hurt him to consider completely cementing the #1 contender status just like Kenny Florian
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
for sure
I’d like to see Dan fight Marquardt. I was talking about the whys of the fights they got on entering the UFC.
But the reality is Dan is close to retirement, this will be his last contract and he’s looking for huge paydays.
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I wouldn’t want to be in Dana White or Joe Silva’s shoes. The top of MW division appears to be a headache. Not to mention Vitor coming in.
Eventually GSP will create the same problem in the WW unless a serious contender arises in the next few months.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
name a guy who right now both is a legitimate contender AND deserves the shot
by Austin Martin on Sep 9, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That isn’t the problem with MW.
The problem with MW is that Anderson doesn’t want to fight the people dana wants him to fight for the belt.
It doesn’t matter who is legitimate or who is deserving, if Dana tells GSP to fight someone, GSP will fight them.
silva is also much older and wants huge fights, he’s earned it
by Austin Martin on Sep 9, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but you are missing the point.
WW is not in the same situation as MW.
The problem in MW is NOT that there’s no one to fight. The arguments for Hendo, Nate, or even Okami to get a title shot could be stacked up with (and probably be better than) the arguments for Cote or Leites getting a title shot.
The problem is that Anderson does not want to fight the people that are available.
In WW, it may seem like there is not a credible challenger, but someone has to fight for the belt. And no matter who Dana/Zuffa/whoever decides should be fighting for the WW belt, GSP will fight them (when healed).
Andy doesn’t want to waist the little fights he has left with rematching ppl he already destroyed. He has a legacy to take care of, he wants those two ppl he destroyed to fight in order to get a rematch with him, given the situation I think that is reasonable.
Well, I think the best solution when you have that dominant of a champ is to move them up a weight class and take on a new set of challenges. if a true contender emerges at the old weight class, then have them go back down and take that fight.
So make some LHW fights for Silva, and make the Henderson/Marquardt fight happen. Seriously, the biggest complication is the fighters being too self-centered.
GSP is willing to fight who they put in front of him
He’s also younger and a solid draw in his own right.
Silva is not a draw in his own right at all despite a serious push from the UFC.
So GSP isn’t dependent on big name opponents to get big pay days.
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exactly… the biggest key is that GSP fights who they put in front of him.
henderson/silva should take note. we’re trying NOT to be like boxing here.
Take note. Several fighters have turned down opportunities to face Anderson Silva.
He went up in weight to face James Irvin to counter Affliction’s Banned program. He had to endure two opponents (Cote & Leites) who were really far from top tier contenders. He soundly defeated the former Light Heavyweight Champion and made it look too easy.
Randy Couture, Tito Ortiz and Frank Mir have both stated they would love the opportunity to face Anderson Silva. I can’t really knock this guy for demanding better competition. GSP on the other, while he’s a huge PPV draw, has shunned a super-fight against Silva, and Dana White already killed that hype. Side note, BJ Penn is still talking crap and will face GSP to prove he can and will do it.
Last but not least, he probably will not re-sign with the UFC after his contract is up.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
some good points you make no doubt. but at a certain point these fighters need to give it a break… the UFC is going to step up to the plate and put the right fights together.
some level of hard-bargaining and posturing is good, but ultimately you really have to just take the fights that your employer gives you.
in silva’s case, he’s made it clear that he wants tough competition. that’s fine, and the UFC is going to give it to him. spreading false rumors about elbow surgeries and wanting to go straight to HW, or fight roy jones jr… well some of this is just getting ridiculous.
That’s the biggest difference between GSP and Silva.
GSP will provide you an entire country, Gatorade and possibly Nike.
Anderson Silva will give you an electrifying performance, boos, one english phrase and very little returns in revenue. That’s probably why he wants bigger fights . . . I think Soares and his team know that they will never truly be loved in the States. The Cote &Leites fight REALLY DID NOT HELP
Swick give me hope. I really think he will be able to give GSP serious competition . . . he has TWO training partners that faced him.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
dunno if i agree about your conclusions on silva and his popularity in the states. these things are funny and can change just like that. the griffin fight may have been a big turning point.
and i give swick maybe a 15% chance against GSP.
15% !!!
It’s that bad!?! I really can not argue against that. GSP has been looking phenomenal.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
until someone can stop his takedowns, they aren’t winning because he’s not going to risk standing and trading with anyone remotely heavy handed
by Austin Martin on Sep 9, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
except that Anderson won’t fight the current champ at LHW. that is where all the problems are coming from.
If Anderson would fight Machida there would be no issues, but he won’t, so he can’t just move up to 205 and beat all the contenders, it wouldn’t make sense for anyone.
Silva got a huge bump in trends from his last fight.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
If he doesnt get a title shot, would he be pissed off enough to sign with another promotion regardless of money?
I think the real moral of the story is that Dana White shouldn’t have publicly said that Dan gets the next title shot.
by Lyrias on Sep 9, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He didn't say that directly..
He said he’d get a shot again… But never said he gets the next shot directly.. He said it looks like Henderson would get the next shot at Silva after UFC 100.. That’s different than saying he is the #1 contender and “will be” fighting Silva next..
Mainly because a lot of people also viewed the Marquardt/Maia fight as a number 1 contender too.. It boils down to who makes the most sense money wise.. Right now neither of them do with Silva.. They need to take the momentum they gained from 100 & 102 and use that to determine the true #1 contender.. It gives them an opportunity to build up for Silva and for Silva to possibly squeeze in 1 more big money fight in the process..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/31/971120/dan-henderson-to-get-next-shot-at
Dana White flat out said on the conference call that Dan was getting the next shot, and now that appears to not be happening. Personally I agree that Hendo should face Marquardt so that we don’t have endless debates over who is more deserving of the title shot, but I can also understand Henderson’s stance in this matter.
If Dana had just said “Henderson is definitely in the mix but we are evaluating everything” he may very well have completely avoided the current fiasco.
Not to be arguementative but..
In none of those stories do we get an “exact quote” from Dana stating that Henderson is guaranteed the next shot at Silva.. All there is, is post’s about Dana pulling Hendo off the Franklin fight and then talk of him fighting Silva next.. I found no quotes from Dana in any article..
I recall him stating after UFC 100 that he was in line for another shot & more than likely was next.. But he never made a statement saying Hendo was guaranteed it as the #1 contender.. He said he had to wait and see what happened after UFC 101 because Silva had a big fight with Forrest coming up.. Then when he walked through Forrest, Dana said he had to see how Marquardt/Maia fight played out to determine who would get a crack at Silva because, he didn’t expect Silva to walk through Forrets so easily..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Dan Henderson is probably next in line
At 3:10 White announces Belfort’s signing, and that he will face Franklin at UFC 103. He then states that Henderson is “probably” next in line. It isn’t a solid statement, but Lyrias’ statement rings true. He shouldn’t have said that if he wasn’t going to give Henderson the next shot. He should have qualified it with something concerning how the Marquardt-Maia fight turned out to see who the number one contender is.
i think nate's conclusion is right...
Henderson and Marquardt is the fight to make. It’s the fight I think the majority of fans want to see.
Make it a main event of one of the upcoming Nov/Dec/Jan cards, and give Henderson a big payday to make it happen.
The tricky part is whether or not this is for an interim belt. At minimum I think you need Anderson Silva to make some kind of substantial commitment to a run at LHW or HW before you can make an interim belt.
But Henderson and Marquardt need to fight. Time for Henderson to do what’s right.
Thankfully Dana White shot down the whole Anderson Silva-Heavyweight idea. Although seeing him get smashed by guys 250lbs. may be entertaining.
I don’t think they need an interim belt. Silva isn’t keen on the idea, neither is Dana White. Anderson Silva wants big-fights, to me that sounds like big money. Dan Henderson only wants title fights, which sounds like big money fights. Same difference.
UFC 105
Couture vs. Silva (at LHW)
Marquardt vs. Henderson* for #1 contender status
Henderson, Couture and Silva get crazy PPV points, who knows.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just making up a cool scenario
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK YES!
I will be at the Manchester show =-D
This would be epic, as I have almost no interest in watching most of the sub-par UK fighters on the card (Although I am a fan of the Outlaw…)
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 10, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Anderson sure acts like Mayweather in terms of demanding big pay days when honestly…he doesn’t generate a ton of revenue. he was well on his way to doing it with the way that he dispatched Leben and others…and somewhere in there, he forgot that having two boring as hell fights in a row would not endear him to fans and would hurt his checkbook. the sport is about putting butts in seats and selling ppv, like it or not. when he does more of that (ie: makes people more excited to see him) then he can make demands like deciding who he fights etc.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 9, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions
It’s not him being above fighting anyone.. It’s about him wanting bigger challenges.. He already beat both guys convincingly.. He feels like there are bigger challenges for him outside of those 2 right now.. He want’s to earn as much money as he can while he can.. He only has a few more fights left on his contract, he’s trying to cash in on them while the iron is hot..
Dan is getting up there in age.. He doesn’t pose too much problems for Silva & doesn’t bring in the big bucks on PPV.. Marquardt is still young & has plenty of time to get his shot, but he doesn’t draw either..
What would you do if you were in Silva’s shoes and wanted to make better money on your last few fights ?? Don’t you think he earned the right to ask for something in return at this point ?? He’s done everything the UFC has asked of him. He stepped up in weight for the UFC, not for himself.. They asked him, not the other way around.. They told him no on the boxing thing.. So he say’s give me bigger fights and better challeneges.. What’s the big deal ??
I could see if Silva beat one of them is controversy or in a debatable manner, but he finished both convincingly and with ease.. Here’s a good example:
Ken Flo fought Sherk for the title.. Lost.. He looked great rebuilding himself up to his next title shot. He had to take an extra fight and then wait an extra period of time to get his second chance, but when he did get it, we saw again, the differences in the champion & the challenger. I feel it would be the same way for Silva at this point.. Neither guy does something that great to make a case for him to be the next in line.. A couple good performances against lesser competition doesn’t equate success from previous failures.. There was a reason they both failed before.. Nothings really changed there to be honest.. Dan still fights the same exact way as does Nate.. Silva’s not going to lung kick with his hands down and telegraph anything on his stand up.. Silva’s not going to circle to Dan’s right for 2 rounds with his hands down letting Dan swing away all night at the same target.. Both fight’s will be decided on the feet & that’s where they’ll fail..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Maia and Franklin are not lesser fighters. Wilson G, and Kampman are middle of the road , well Kampman is making some noise at ww. Bisping was thought to be a top contender when he was beat and Palharies is a prospect. Also if he wants bigger fights drop the belt. Sounds to me like Anderson wants both, to be a champion and go to LHW at the same time. Anderson isnt worth holding up a division for.
Hendo vs Nate would be good, but there aren’t a lot of challengers for Anderson right now, so having them fight would eliminate one of them, which is a problem.
If Anderson doesn’t want to fight Hendo but Dana wants the fight to happen, maybe they have to put it on New Years or the Super Bowl show with someone else big to generate the buys.
Frankly, I’m a little tired of Dan Henderson and his demands for title shots. Since the guy came into the UFC he’s done very little to merit the demands. He’s had two title shots, and lost them both. Since losing to Silva he had an incredibly close fight with Rich Franklin that he arguable lost but got a close decision in and beat Bisping, who nearly everyone seemed to think was both overrated and who clearly had no common sense when it came to Henderson’s main weapon. He was, quite possibly, one of the worst coaches in the history of TUF, too.
So remind me again exactly why Henderson has “earned” a rematch with Silva? I get that on paper the guy is still one of the top guys in the division. But as far as I can tell he has absolutely zero real leg to stand on in insisting that he get a rematch before fighting anyone else who is also at the top of the division, like Marquardt. I haven’t seen anything since his last fight with Silva to suggest that he’s made some change that will result in a different outcome; the same can’t be said about Marquardt, who has been patient and progressed significantly since his first bout with Silva.
I’m a little surprised that more people don’t feel that Henderson’s being a prima donna in this whole thing, frankly. I’ve always like Henderson as a fighter and I’ve always been impressed with his ability to compete and be so successful in multiple weight classes before anyone else was really doing that. I’d just like to see him shut up, fight Marquardt, and actually earn himself another shot instead of acting like he’s entitled to it based solely on his reputation from Pride.
Let’s not also forget that the “ONLY” reason he’s even at 185 was because he got an instant title shot.. He didn’t want to go down when he came to the UFC but because he lost to Page & he lost his chance at a championship, he only had one option at that point to fight for a title..
Let him go back to 205 if he doesn’t want to fight Marquardt.. He’ll realize real quick that the divisions elite have surpassed him at that weight class too.. Not to take anything away from Dan, but he’s at the end of his career, like Hughes & Couture and a few others.. They wont be champs for the rest of their careers.. But they can still put on glimpses of their former self’s against the right competition..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Ditto on this and Kierkegaard.
While Marquardt and Henderson has made great argument for themselves as contenders. I think the MW champion has really made a strong argument that he is miles apart from the #1, #2 and #3 MW contenders, not to mention 2 contenders in the LHW divison Franklin and Griffin.
I know MMATH doesn’t really work but I truly believes Franklin vs. Henderson and Franklin vs. W. Silva paints a real clear picture.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The title shots you speak of was on the request of the UFC. Dan earned thos shots by winning two titles in pride. It was no easy road for him to get those. At the time all signs pointed to Hendo not wanting to drop weight at all, saying he does not like cutting and what not. When you are a dual champ from what once was the second biggest Promotion in the world you diserve a little respect for that.
Let’s not slight him too much. He also beat Rousimar Palhares. That’s three in row, since failing to unify the title.
That said, I would like to see Nate vs. Hendo for #1 contender makes.
Then Vitor (if he beats Franklin) vs. Okami (if he gets past Chael) is next in line.
That way, if Anderson leaves the mw division there will be absolutely, positively no questions left. Because everyone knows Anderson’s leaving to duck Yushin Okami.
Sorry, Okami knows he won but acknowledges that Silva basically beat him.
Henderson only had 3 fights while Marquardt had more fights. Yes he lost to Leites but he followed that with 3 consecutive victories for a total of 5 fights to Henderson’s 3 fights.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 9, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing devil’s advocate – Hendo also won the first round against Anderson.
And Okami will have gone 8-1 in the UFC if he beats Chael. That’s got to count for something, right?
sure it counts for something, but you add all these things into the mix, and you back up and take a look at the big picture.
the big picture conclusion is Henderson should be fighting Marquardt.
That what I said. You must have missed the rest of my post:
Nate vs. Hendo for #1 contender
Then Vitor (if he beats Franklin) vs. Okami (if he gets past Chael) is next in line
That leaves one fight in his contract for a LHW fight.
Even when Anderson loses, it is by knocking the other guy out!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 9, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda think that sort of kick to a downed opponent should be legal.
by JRN on Sep 9, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
why are upkicks to a grounded opponent illegal again? oh, that’s right, because it would benefit the grappler and not the striker!
by timetosaygoodbye on Sep 9, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
according to DREAM’S modified rules upkicks to the head are allowed in all positions and are rightly treated as a separate technique, different from other leg based strikes to the head of a grounded opponent.
that’s the way it should be.
by timetosaygoodbye on Sep 9, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If Hendo fights Gegard he will lose, and he will never fight in UFC, so thats not going to happen, and i dont see him get a fight with Silva, even though iMOp he does deserve it , but so does Nate, so final conclusion make Nate fight Hendo, then winner gets Silva thats of course if Silva doesnt duck for a bigger paycheck. i hope they gring in Gegard so he can shake and bake the MW and LHW and HW
According to the text I received from Dana Anderson IS having surgery.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 9, 2009 1:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
my take
remember when gsp first fought matt h. and hughes had has way with him. he admitted he was kinda in awe of him. second match totally different results. nate m. was suprememly confident he would beat maia and he had a great knockout. i say he will be a much more confident man fighting silva for the second time. everyone knows the mental part is 60% of the fight game. i’m not saying he will win but i would expect a war. it’s a match up i want to see again.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
Good point, I really don’t give Nate much of a chance but it is an interesting comparison.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People Need To Realize...
That Hendo only has a few fights left in him (already in his 40’s), so he wants big fights. Nothing wrong with that and he has definitely done enough in MMA to warrant that. The problem with what is going on in the UFC right now is that EVERYONE wants big title fights and make big money before they retire. If Nate beats Hendo, he loses out on a ton of cash.
If you read my post about Aging MMA, a good amount of these MMA stars are aging and thinking about retiring. They obviously want security in their lives after they retire. This is why a good amount of fighters are now doing movies, demanding only big money fights, etc. They are making the most out of these opportunities that may not come to them again.
Ok, we really need to get some things straight because I keep reading the same things time after time and they are simply wrong.
1. Anderson Silva will fight whoever the UFC tells him to fight, this idea that he can pick and choose whoever he wants is false. Whether it’s Hendo or Nate, Andy will have to fight them regardless of anything he or Soares have to say about it.
2. Okami has done nothing to be even in the discussion for getting a title shot. This bs has to stop with him, let him beat somebody who matters before even thinking of putting him in the cage with Anderson.
3. Hendo will resign with the UFC unless he wants to take a huge paycut and considering he only wants big fights they are all in the UFC. Expect an interim MW title fight between him and Nate by the end of the year it just makes too much sense not to make this happen.
I texted Dana last night asking him if in fact Hendo is a free agent, his response:
“No, josh gross is a moron”
Josh Gross is wrong a good amount of the time so I’m taking Dana’s word on this one. As much time as they had between filming TUF and his fight it doesn’t make much sense to have him go into such a high-profile fight as a pending free agent.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 10, 2009 9:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
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