Is Bulking Up the Only Option in the Future of the Heavyweight Division?
by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM EDT
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Frank Mir believes so. In an interview with Steve Cofieldfrom the Cagewriter blog at Yahoo! Sports, Mir talked about the probability that he will need to bulk up in size in order to truly compete with fighters such as Brock Lesnar:
“In the fight with Brock, I really felt there was a huge difference in strength and power. Being 245, I just don’t think I’ll ever be able to compete with him at that weight…. One area of my game I’m really lacking at is physical power. Just training, lifting heavy weights, being explosive, being a powerful athlete…. I’m going to go back to drawing board, I’m going to win two, three fights in a row and get a rematch against him. And I don’t have to sit here and complain about it, I’ll get an opportunity to get locked in a cage with him and show him what I felt about [his post-fight antics].”
This has been a constant ongoing discussion among fans since Lesnar's trouncing of Mir at UFC 100. Many fans believe that the UFC should think about splitting the heavyweight division into two weight classes at around 230 pounds. Anyone in the 205 to 220 pound range such as Randy Couture or potentially Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic with a little less weight could move down to the light heavyweight division while the rest of the heavyweights in the 230+ pound range would compete at the higher weight specification.
While in theory, it isn't a bad idea to discuss as a way to combat the fact that huge heavyweights are beginning to become a staple of the heavyweight division... Mir suggests that even at 245 pounds, there was a huge difference in strength and power between himself and Brock Lesnar. Bulking up in power seems to be one of the only options for heavyweights if they want to take a run at the title, although technique may still potentially be the problem for Lesnar. The counterpoint to that concept is that Lesnar is only continuing to improve his own skill-set, and he may very well become so well-rounded that nobody in the division will be able to handle him on the floor.
What's the solution? Should heavyweights simply take some time to bulk up in size ala Alistair Overeem? Can fans get behind the idea of a split in the division due to the bulkiness of the heavier fighters, or should the division stick with its current format? It certainly makes for a division that has match-ups that will truly test technique vs. strength much like the days of Royce Gracie with the exception that all the fighters within the division will be over roughly 220 pounds. It's interesting that we've went from seeing a smaller Royce take on heavier fighters to seeing sizable weight differences at heavyweight, isn't it?
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Frank Mir could never bulk up enough to be competitive with Brock Lesnar in that department. Frank would just end up flabbier like he did after his motorcycle accident.
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haha! Well it helped baseball get huge in the 90s
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
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Belushi doesn't have anything on pregnant Frank
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm truly sorry for having to do this. I just have no self control.
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seriously? 230 as the cut-off point?
fighters do this thing called cutting weight. if there is a 230 pound weight class, guys like Couture, Cro Cop, Pat Barry, etc…. would be the UNDERSIZED guys in the division.
people up at 250 or even pushing it at 260 would cut down to make 230. all this would do would leave the guys at 270 and 280 (lesnar, carwin) all alone with hardly anyone to fight.
if you are going to split the heavyweight division, the new class needs to be lower, like 215 or 220. you have to take into account who will be cutting down.
Huh?
If the class was split, Couture, CC, and Pat Barry would be the bigger guys in a 205-230 weight class. People at 245 could potentially cut down to 230, this is true, which is where some of the dilemna lies, but for guys like Carwin, Lesnar, etc… they would in that upper weight class.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
205 to 230 weight class?
in practice there is no such thing. you don’t fight at 205 if you weigh 205… you cut down to 185.
today’s 205 weight class is actually a 210-225 weight class. griffin? jackson? ortiz? these guys are all 220-225.
Couture, CC, Barry would NOT be the bigger guys in a 230-limit weight class. Instead you would have a 255lb Gabriel Gonzaga shed 25 pounds and make the 230 limit.
It would defeat the whole purpose.
Man, those LHWs walk around at 230-240 between fights! They probably diet down to 220-225 and then cut to 205.
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Exactly what BJJDenver said..
There is a difference between dieting and cutting..
Most of the LHW are around the 225-240 range and diet down to the mid teens & then cut the last bit of water weight.. You’re not cutting 20-35 lbs of actual weight..
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Basically, it would push Randy and those guys DOWN to 205. They’d be bigger guys in the LHW division.
15 – 20 pounds above the 230 limit would cut down, and then the 230-265 range would likely be filled with Lesnar-types. So, you’re right. Gonzaga would cut, and most guys would…
Right now, it isn’t that viable of an option, but with more guys coming in at that huge weight… I don’t think it’s entirely unviable in a few years.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i should say, leland, that in principle i agree with everything you are saying. i just believe that because of weight cutting, we need to call it 215-220 instead of 230. and this way you’ll get the desired result.
I don’t care how it’s done. I used 230 as an example because I’ve heard it discussed multiple times. The point of the article was to bring out discussion. I don’t really see 230 as a solid cutoff… in fact, I don’t see a split as a viable option right now at all. First and foremost, we’d have to gain more heavier fighters in order for there to be a viable heavier weight class.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree there too - it’s not the right time to make a change. i just think the only change that COULD work would be a 215-220 class.
It’s tough. I think a 215-220 would work okay, but I could see 205’ers moving up to challenge themselves much like what the middleweights seem to be doing… which isn’t necessarily a bad thing if you’re the UFC and looking for dream matchups.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think that there are enough good heavyweights to split the class at all.
Most of the lighter HW fighters that exist today should really be fighting at LHW. Couture, CroCop, et al.
We’re finally going to see some decent matches at HW (because it really has been the red-headed stepchild of the UFC) and now we want to split the division? Crazyness.
Lets see Lesnar compete and dominate everyone for a year or two before even thinking of messing with the weight classes. Considering how a large majority of people think Fedor would tool Lesnar (and IMO Fedor is a pretty small HW) any talk of re-arranging the classes seems pointless.
Fedor is friggin tiny
He’s only like 5’11 and 230 – he could definitely make 205.
And for the record – I’m a huge Pride mark and a huge Fedor fan – but how do people envisage Fedor beating Lesnar?
I think Fedor would tool Mir on the ground and on the feet. But I’m not sure how he would beat LEsnar unless it was a Tim Sylvia type win.
I’m not against reorganizing the weight classes, but I don’t think we need a split HW division. I would rather see a class between MW and LHW and then push the LHW cap up higher for guys that want to cut down.
The thing aboput Lesner, is, he is a freak. Sylvia was just as big, but just doesn’t have the power, athletic ability, explosiveness and in retrospect, maybe skill, that Lesner has. A guy like Sylvia at that size is more of a target for someone like Randy. In other words, he is vulnerable to the quickness and so forth, of a smaller HW. Brock isn’t so much. Brock is a small HWs worst nightmare.
And Mir now talking about being an undersized, less powerful HW, somehow amuses me! See what happens when you get in shape, lol.
The thing is, imo, that the UFC will NEED to do something here. How many times (after Carwin) do we want to see Lesner smash smaller competition? I’m afraid that if he gets past Shane, the line up is going to be much smaller guys and with a couple more smashing wins, fans may lose some interest in watching this.
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Give it 2 more years and they'll have to split it.
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i guess the theory that as MMA grows in popularity, more and more of the gigantic athletes start doing MMA instead of other sports. and as a result you start to have big number of monsters who cut down to 265, instead of only a couple that we have today.
Boxing’s HWs are 200+, ADCC is 217+, NCAA wrestling is 183-285 (according to wiki, though there’s a 184 and 197 in between), and the Olympics is 211-264.
I don’t see any reason why MMA will be different.
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there are not that many guys per capita who are that big. Therefore its harder to find athletes. Thats why there is an endless supply of fighters in the lower weight classes, but when you get up this big, you need to open it up.
Also at this size, youre competing against other sports for talent. A 155er would never play football.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
i thought you meant soccer...
cause there are tons of talented football players are below 155.
In American Football, that’s a different story..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
No matter how popular MMA becomes, parents who have over-sized kids are still going to push them into more traditional sports like football and basketball, rather than MMA.
as they should
not so much football, but a career in basketball is MUCH more lucrative and better on the body
by Austin Martin on Sep 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean that they'll make it in those sports.
What’s an oversized wrestler going to do after his Amateur career is over? Or the Basketball Player that doesn’t make the cut for the NBA? Or The Football player who just doesn’t make it in the NFL (i.e. half of the TUF 10 cast)? I’m not saying that MMA is the only choice for them, but as popularity grows more of them are bound to take a stab at it.
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If it was at 230, everyone in the region of 230 – 250 could make the weight class, and it would just soak up all the division. So it’s just unworkable.
What you do see is 15 pound increments 155-170, 170-185. This houses everyone reasonably well, but then the 20 pound gap from 185 to 205 causes an island where guys like Wandy, Franklin, Vitor get stuck at a 195 catch weights.
But the problem gets even worse from 205-265. There seems to be no real solution to solve the wide discrepency without drastically thining out a division that has been very weak until recently.
The problem isn’t easy to solve, but I think if it were to be done from scratch the best thing to do would be lower the light-heavyweight bar to 200, to get back that 15 pound increment again and get rid of the 195 island. Then this allows some more room to put in an additional weight class in the heavyweight gap, I think at 215 (another 15 pound gap) would then solve the problem. Guys up to 235 would then be fine, and it wouldn’t impact the division drastically.
But this is major landscaping. But if you wanna do it right, i think that’s the best way. You would then see the really heavy light heavyweights go up to 215 like Forrest and the like, but lighter guys like Wandy would have a home. It would mean splitting the light heavyweights slightly, but the division is so stacked you could do it without creating a thin division…
by Donk696 on Sep 8, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s a little crazy though. But the 205 division is stacked for a reason, it’s because there are guys that can’t quite get to 185 and there are guys that can’t hang around at heavy weight, so this forces an unusual amount of guys into one division.
I say split the light heavies and you solve your heavyweight problem at the same time. A 200 class and a 215 one would make a home for everyone without causing severe damage.
yeah it is a little crazy, and i’m not saying it should definitely be done. but if you are going to insist on making a change, this is pretty much the ONLY way it makes sense for the long term structure of the weight classes.
all of the other options being discussed are short-sighted.
The idea of splitting something into two is easy to understand, but it breaks down at only the first level of reasoning. I don’t even see how something like that could even be an option on the table. It would kill the heavyweight division and the new division it creates.
Exactly. It is just in this current Heavyweight landscape that no one has the tools to beat Lesnar. However, fighters like Randy Couture show that Lesnar can indeed get taken down. While Lesnar is huge, besides Randy, Lesnar hasn’t fought any especially near his own size that has great takedown defense. Also, Lesnar tends to use his same bread and butter double leg takedown, so it is NOT like fighters don’t know what to expect from Lesnar (unlike the well-rounded champions of the other divisions who are more unpredictable). There SEEMS to be a formula out there right now to beat him (great takedown defense with crisp striking, or possibly outwrestling Lesnar. Of course, everything is easier said than done especially with a fighter the size of Lesnar with that wrestling ability). I think in the current UFC Heavyweight landscape no one could beat Lesnar though.
lesnar has defended his belt once. let’s see if he can completely destroy his division like anderson silva did, before we anoint him as GOAT
by GregS123 on Sep 8, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amen indeed. Lesnar had only 6 fight, lets see what happens. The more he will fight the more footage of him will be to exploit and find holes in his game.
The were a lot of fighters that seem to be unbeatable…
by dancingChicken on Sep 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Once Anderson Silva steps up to HW and clears out the division, we will understand that size doesn’t matter!
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Yeah, it’s too bad Dana White will not let Anderson move up.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
oh shit, did I miss something? I thought Anderson said he wanted to fight Frank Mir at HW? Now Dana is against the idea?
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yeah, he said he’ll let him keep fighting at LHW, but HW is off limits… supposedly the same rationality behind him not letting gsp fight andy.
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by BJJDenver on Sep 8, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes please. Where do I vote for that?
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Yeah, it’s just that in this day and age, I can’t tell who really wants to retire and who is just using it as a ploy for more money.
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There is the possibility that he’s trying to get more money, but he really seems sincere in his interview about quitting and spending more time with his family.
I agree, but I just wonder how that would change if Dana came in with some ridiculous offer?
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Does Andy get paid considerably less than Randy or Brock? Why haven’t the UFC already given him the “Fedor” contract?
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I don’t have the numbers, but I would be shocked if he gets that kind of money. He has never proven to be a big ppv draw. That was the knock against him, that fans didn’t find him that interesting and then the Cote and Leites fights happened. I think now is a great time to “cash” in after the Griffin destruction.
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yeah, I don’t remember how much he gets, but I’m sure it’s under 200k (I think when he fought Rich for the second time it was at 120k). Dana might not want to give him more money even to save him from retirement because he doesn’t draw that much, like bjj above said.
LMAO, yeah, he gets less than $200K per fight, right. Silva gets a PPV cut, at 101 he made well over a million dollars. He probably cleared over a million for 97 as well since it drew a good buyrate with Chuck.
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they shouldn't put a new weight class just because Lesnar and Carwin are bigger than the rest..
there isn’t just enough big men to fill that division..
in the future, if there are tons of guys that cut to 265 already, then fine, split it in two.. until then, keep it as it is..
If they put a 230 weight class, majority of the HW division would be there, even the relatively bigger guys like Mir can cut down from 245 to 230. It’s impractical because the handful of talented fighters that can’t cut to 230 won’t be enough to sustain a weight division.
This is why I think it’s a bad idea right now. The upper class wouldn’t have the talent to make it viable.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I see plenty of Mir haters. Brock beat Randy in the clinch due to size. The limit is 260 and Brock at fight time probably weighs closer to 275-280.
I think Donk had it right.
And yeah…no way Anderson clears out the HW division. Hell, he won’t even clear out the LHW division
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Sorry, 265. And yes Brock beat Randy in the clinch. Randy pressed him against the cage but Brock reveresed and used his weight very well
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But was he destroyed in the clinch like you would expect, considering 80 lbs weight difference? Randy did very good in the clinch.
by dancingChicken on Sep 8, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not just size
that makes Brock and Shane so good. There have been other huge dudes in the past. These guys are big AND athletic with great wrestling and striking.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
Speed..
everyone is forgetting about Speed..
That’s what makes lesnar standout from the average big man.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, everybody should keep in mind that this is the game changer.
STRENGTH + SKILLS + SPEED
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Fedor
fights at 230. Would he not have a shot against Brock because of his size?
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
if Fedor turned his belly into a 6 pack,
he’d be a Light Heavyweight..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say he would be MW. He has a lot of belly all over the place. Burn the fat, cut 15 lbs of water, and 185 is ready…
by dancingChicken on Sep 8, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
are there
enough guys to fill a “super” heavy weight division as the article would seem to suggest?
i think given the current situation in mma, the ufc would have to absorb a number of guys over at strikeforce, dream etc., in order to fill up that weight class, and what’s more, they would probably have to confront another round of those comments like,
" the ufc’s super heavy weight division is too shallow" etc etc
Where did I suggest that?
My thought is that there isn’t right now. For this to actually happen, we’d need more heavier fighters obviously.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
oops,
sorry for second guessing you Leland,
i believe that with the kind of guys trying to get into the ufc, obviously the NFL guys, sooner
or later the ufc will have a super heavyweight division,
One thing you need to consider though, is that many of those big NFL guys do crazy things to get that big and maintain their weight. like lift for size, eat crazy amounts everyday, etc… if they didn’t have to do that for their sport, they wouldn’t. So it is more likely that they would fight at HW or LHW, not SHW.
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i always thought that if hunto dedicated himself and got in nasty shape, and really worked on his ground defense, that he could have been an MMA wrecking machine
And I agree. I thought after the Pride buyout, that he would be immensely popular in the UFC. He just seems to be a guy that fans flock to.
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he was apparently supposed to go to the ufc after the pride buyout but he didnt get down to 265.
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The problem is that Hunt seems to have a real problem with self control. He bulks up ridiculously, then sheds some… it’s like Ricco without the drugs.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i hope he’s training and maybe going to come back, but i’ve pretty much given up on him at this point.
i think it was pride NYE 2005 when he fought Cro Cop, when Hunt looked like he was in really great shape, was really moving well, and it showed in his result. i was disappointed when he just packed on the pounds and didn’t look very inspired in his next several fights.
Well, I am biased in saying that Manhoef KO’ing him didn’t seem like a total lack of ability. I mean, he was trying to smother him in the corner, although he put his hands down and got one-two’d.
I think the K-1 bout with Schilt recently made him look pretty bad even though Schilt is a champion. I mean, he got straight spinning heel kicked. He just looked way out of synch.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes there is a problem, but this isn't the solution
Changing LHW to be a 205-230 division screws up both their marquee LHW and their HW divisions. You would have a bunch of 205ers who would now be undersized, and at the same time, you’d thin out the HW division even further.
The only long term solution is to create a new division, perhaps at 225 or 235, while keeping the LHW division untouched. The problem right now is that the HW division is essentially a 205-265 weight class. It’s that potential 60 pound weigh-in discrepancy that is the issue. Cutting that into a 205-225 and a 225-265 weight class helps blunt that. Even with the new talent, the HW division is too thin right now to support that. To thin it out now would require the UFC to bring in a bunch of B-level talent, and that’s not going to happen.
Long term solution: a new weight class. There isn’t enough talent to support it yet though.
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at all the no votes from the brock huggers. a super heavyweight division means no more title for brock!
I don't agree
soon all eyes will be open as to why size is no replacement for skills. soon enough, you’ll see…
what?
if they split the division in two, Brock would still have his 265lb title.. and he’d have lesser competition..
why are the guys voting ‘no’, become brock huggers again?
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir has lost sight...
He’s constantly looking outside the source of the problem for solutions.. The problem is that he lacks the natural given abilities that Brock has.. Brock is naturally that big.. He’s naturally that fast.. He’s naturally that agile..Strength can be built on, but Brock’s base for it is much greater than Frank’s is ever going to be..
Being stronger isn’t going to make up for the technique he lacks in wrestling.. Brock used as much technique as he did strength in those fights..Frank should come to grips with that first and then start working more of his defensive wrestling and learning how to counter it properly.. Learn how to get back to his feet like other defensive wrestlers have done in the past ie Liddell, Cro Cop, Lyoto & A. Silva..
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by jemaleddin on Sep 8, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe in a couple years
IMO many football players are going to begin crossing over into MMA. Many players are beginning to train in MMA. Now with 4 former NFLers making their way onto the TUF. I think we will begin to see a large amount of players making their way once they see the success of the ones on the show. How many players get cut in training camp. 30 per team?? most weight at least 180-200. Im hoping this happens because it can lead to another career path for many of them and also give MMA some great athletic fighters.
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man this is just a crappy argument why isn’t anyone focusing on just not letting Brock take them down?
Frank said in a recent interview that he hasn’t weightlifted since high school. Is that even possible??
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You can do a lot of movements with just your own body to maintain strength. Look at Herschel Walker. He has NEVER done free weight lifting.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, but you were fighting a monster, Frank. A monster who can probably bench press 500 lbs. Stop eating little chocolate donuts, and throw some heavy weight around.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 8, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
this is what sherk and lesnar does.
do this and you’d get big even without much weights for sure.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A big guy isn’t going to get any bigger doing the stuff in that video. He’d actually burn muscle and lose weight.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
by you’d get big, i meant, you can be stronger and conditioned.. wrong term, sorry.
Like Koscheck, you can get ripped, lean, and conditioned even without weights.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sherk is an interesting person to bring up. Ahem.
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Right, understandable… but he could have bulked up and did movement exercised to get his physique in condition. He wouldn’t gain a ton of strength, not like Lesnar or Sherk.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If they did make a Cruiserweight division
At 230 or so, IMO they should make the Heavyweight division unlimited.
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You could do that…. but it wouldn’t bring in much talent. Hunt could come in without cutting, but who else? Zuluzinho? Butterbean?
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
choi, sapp, and other non relevant big guys too..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, key word is “non-relevant”
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT THE HELL!!!!
I dont get it… the hw devision has been soooo lacking as of late, now the get a guy or 2 or 3 that make it interesting and boom… everyone wants a change. WHY because frank wants easy competition?? Give me a break, tell him to drop down a weight class if he cant handle the big guy’s… cry cry cry, thats all i hear from him. The HW devision is perfect the way it is…. at last. Big guys have to work on there gas tanks and the smaller guys have to be a little more skilled.. i think they both face problems they have to overcome.. like get over it already frank, a few moths ago you had no problem saying you could wipe the floor with lesnar, now there is no way… LOL frank is a tool.
I get your point,
but you could’ve said it way better.. Because it’s coming off like you are just fighter bashing..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry… im not trying to bash, im really not.. hell, i like watching frank fight.. but frank has been complaining way too much lately and its getting annoying…he spoke on why he could beat lesnar 9 outta 10 times, but now he has no chance because of his size?? Lesnar has not grown since there first fight, but he still has an excuse… but point taken.
Good point, before the fight Frank was talking about breaking Brock’s arm or whatever and how he’s a real martial artist while Brock is fake, then after getting his ass handed to him he has a ready made excuse in “Brock is just too big”. But if Noguiera mentions he was in the hospital two weeks before his fight with Frank then Big Nog is the asshole. You can’t have it both ways Frankie.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
I don’t think it’s the only option.
Mir beat Lesnar once. Randy beat Sylvia and Gonzaga. Fedor has beaten Sylvia, choi, Hunt, and Zulu.
Holyfield did it in boxing (and some would argue he did it to Valuev, while being outweighed by over 100 pounds recently).
Size is a factor. That is why there are weight classes. If a time comes when there are a bunch of monsters running around and weighing in at 265 who are skilled enough to beat everyone who doesn’t weigh 265, then I think we can make the split of the division. But that time isn’t now. Brock winning 3 fights in the UFC doesn’t mean he’s too big, it means he won 3 fights.
It sounds like Frank is talking about a strength and conditioning issue not weight issue. You can get stronger without getting heavier. Besides Mir came down significantly in weight for his last fight, its odd for him to now act like that was the problem.
Weight classes just measure weight and that isn’t really the problem here. I think we can all agree that Roy Nelson’s 265 and Brock Lesnar’s 265 are completely different. This is a difference in pure athleticism not body mass.
by who me on Sep 8, 2009 1:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They should just split the 170 weight class
GSP is too big and strong for the rest of the 170’ers.
These guys have proven that size beats skill in MMA:
Actually his
hat size is 4 sizes smaller than Titos.
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