Signs Pointing to October 10 in New Jersey for Fedor Emelianenko's Strikeforce Debut on Showtime
by Kid Nate on Sep 7, 2009 9:39 PM EDT
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Franklin McNeil started the ball rolling on ESPN's MMA Live when he said that he had unconfirmed information from a trusted source that Fedor Emelianenko would be making his Strikeforce debut on October 10 in Newark, N.J. at the Prudential Center. Fedor is expected to face Brett Rogers.
John Morgan puts more clues together:
In addition to McNeil's speculation, Strikeforce's broadcast partner Showtime recently added an Oct. 10 event to its programming guide. While the listing offers little in the way of details, the reserved block adds further stock to McNeil's report.
Showtime Sports exec Chris DeBlasio today told MMAjunkie.com the addition to the network's schedule didn't guarantee an event – but he also wouldn't rule out the possibility of a card.
"There's no details to fill in there," DeBlasio said. "There's no information on that particular date or an event planned for [Strikeforce]. It's just a placeholder for scheduling so they can block off time where we can air a live event on that date if we choose to.
"It could always be changed, even of we name Fighter A vs. Fighter B, but in this particular instance, it definitely could be."
Morgan goes on to speculate that Strikeforce is delaying the announcement of the date as long as possible to make it more difficult for the UFC to counter-program the event.
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Wonder if Cyborg will be on the card too.
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet, UFC fight night October 10th.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
If the UFC does this, the WEC will screwed even more.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably know the ratings for that show are gonna be shit anyway so it doesn’t really matter.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That would be pretty sad for them.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would, but at this point I figure the UFC will cannibalize the WEC, so they probably wouldn’t give a crap.
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by pud333 on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, like Rome said below, they gave up caring about the WEC a while back.
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by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
WEC 43: Cerrone vs. Henderson
Date: Oct 10, 2009
- Donald Cerrone vs. Benson Henderson (for WEC interim lightweight title)
- Dave Jansen vs. Richard Crunkilton Jr.
- Damacio Page and Akitoshi Tamura
- Rafael Assuncao vs. Yves Jabouin
by Nick Thomas on Sep 7, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was just about to post this, don’t think UFC is going to counter-program anything, wouldn’t make sense to counter-program the other promotion you own. Unless they move WEC again (just merge the fucking thing into the UFC) just to do an UFC event that night…
I figure that’s why Showtime is waiting to announce it, less time for Zuffa to plan something, though Oct. 10 is like a month away, what kind of gate are they expecting to get or they going to be like Affliction and give out a “million” tickets for free? and only a month to promote the event also, plus going up against major college football (such as Florida-LSU that night)…doesn’t seem like a good way to get viewers, gate, make money, get eyeballs on Fedor, etc…in my opinion
by Reaser16 on Sep 7, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a fight?
Or does fedor just do pro wrestling matches with his buddies now?
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
Fedor and Mousasi worked a fight. They should NEVER be able to live it down.
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
live what down?
Everyone knew it was a special grappling exhibition from the get go. If anyone didn’t get what they expected from that fight, they are the one’s who are dumb, not Fedor and Mousasi.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean “live what down?” I literally just said WHAT in the sentence before. Can you not read?
Fedor and Mousasi worked a fight. And no, it wasn’t a “grappling exhibition,” they faked strikes too.
If it had been a grappling exhibit and they had really grappled instead of putting on a fake fight that’d have been just peachy.
Instead, Mousasi let Fedor win their fake fight so he could look good on TV in a desperate attempt to promote fedor.
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think it was stupid, but I don’t get why people would get upset over it.
That was what they said it would be. If you expected a real fight, you’re the one who was mistaken. It was exactly what he did with Aoki in Japan.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually called it ahead of time
Frankly that makes it even worse.
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have no idea what you are talking about.
They said they were going to put on an exhibition. You thought it wasn’t going to be a real fight. It wasn’t a real fight. What is the sin here?
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They worked a fight
that’s the sin.
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So did Brock sin every time he performed in WWE?
I don’t see how saying, “i’m going to work a fight” and then working a fight is doing anything wrong.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but they didn't say that
They said exhibition.
Do I seriously have to define the word exhibition for you miserable illiterates? AGAIN?
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No one cares what the definition is.
Everyone but you seems to think they did exactly what they said they were going to do. Yet we are the dumb ones. Makes sense I guess.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You clearly
do NOT care what the definition is.
since learning that information would annihilate your argument completely.
Feel free to remain ignorant.
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what an exhibition match is.
none was ever advertised, no one with a brain expected one.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet
the fact that “oh it was an EXHIBITION” is everyone’s excuse.
Even though that does not imply a professional wrestling match.
Fedor worked a fight.
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting this worked up about this is like getting upset that a team didn’t put in their starters and try to win if the last NFL Preseason game was close in the 4th quarter.
Is everyone that lost in week 4 a disgrace because they worked a football game?
It was an exhibition, they exhibited their skills for everyone to see. No one competent thought they were really going to fight. If they did, all they had to do was look up Fedor’s last public exhibition, with Aoki, and get a dose of reality.
If, after all that, they still expected a real fight, they’re dumb, and they deserve to be angry.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's more like
if one NFL team threw a game to make the other one look better
since that’s almost exactly what happened here.
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one threw anything.
You have proof?
by Meshuggeth on Sep 7, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
Its nothing like that. Someone inform Paynuss! This fight was obviously worked!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
demonstrations are different from exhibitions…
you all are retarded for even arguing it…
especially the NFL pre-season comparison, jesus, the two teams don’t choreograph throwing interceptions, running for touchdowns and tackling eachother. They are actually playing, just doesn’t go down in the records because its an exhibition…
by Reaser16 on Sep 8, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Many people use exhibitions/demonstrations interchangeably. Just letting you know. Not like it matters in this case because M-1 advertised it as an exhibition sparring match.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 8, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if Fedor “worked” a fight, then the Gracies “worked” a bunch in BJJ exhibitions in Pride back in the day.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 8, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there one person out there who thought this was going to be a serious competition between the two? Besides you of course.
by nottheface on Sep 8, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miserable illiterates? Nice troll job.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 8, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He obviously doesn’t know what a martial arts exhibition is.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fights on TUF are exibition matches. You may notice a difference in the intensity of the competition between a TUF fight and the Fedor/Mousasi whateverthehellthatwas.
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much my point. I’ve heard of setting some things up for an exhibition match, but nothing like what went down with Fedor/Mousasi.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Sep 7, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they were amateur matches.
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they’re exibition matches except for the semi-finals and the finals. Those are pro fights.
The reason that thye are officialy exibition matches is so that the results can be released when the show airs.
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what’s the difference between an amateur bout and an exhibition bout?
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the context of it. An exhibition can be damn near anything.
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by kyfm621 on Sep 7, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re labeled exhibition matches… yet people get knocked out. No pro fighter is gonna risk getting injured in a “kind of real” match.
If people don’t like SF or M-1 that’s fine, but to claim that they “worked” a fight show’s an unfirm grounding in reality.
by bleve_ on Sep 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, is someone gonna be upset when they find out Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior was staged.
It was an exhibition champ, did anybody in the mma world think it was a legitimate fight?
by bleve_ on Sep 7, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exhibition does not equal work necessarily
and you just made an analogy wherein mousasi and fedor are hulk hogan and the ultimate warrior, which I could not agree with more
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, my analogy was more of the suspension of disbelief that is practiced by say, a 9 year old fake wrestling fan.
by bleve_ on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, this whole exchange, with Paynuss losing his head over the Fedor/Mousasi thing… amazing. Just an incredible thing to get even remotely upset about.
by JRN on Sep 8, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the UFC is going to counter program Strikeforce on Oct. 10
But that would also mean they are counter programming the WEC. That would be very stupid.
Here’s a better idea:
Let the WEC do their card Oct. 10
Let Strikeforce do this card Oct. 17
Let UFC 104 happen on Oct. 24
No head to head, no counter programming. No bs. How about letting mma fans have 3 great events in a row. Wait that makes too much sense.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From a silly fan’s comment that might make sense, but not in a competitive business setting. Realistically, Zuffa will probably kick up the promotion for WEC and see what happens.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Sep 7, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WEC not being on DirecTV anymore...
is hurting a bit more right now…
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Sep 8, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't that
disadvantage whoever goes last?
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Jersey. =). The arena should sell out if Strikeforce knows how to promote the show.
20,000,000+ people (that doesn’t even include Philly, Baltimore, or DC)
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
20,000,000 plus people?? going to go ahead and go out on a limb and say strikeforce comes nowhere near that…
by Reaser16 on Sep 7, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the population of the NYC Metro (aka where the fight will be).
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn’t the Prudential Center hold 14,000 (for mma)??
how many people came to Fedor’s last fight in US, 12,000 or so…should be easy to sell out but I doubt they will (just a feeling)…
by Reaser16 on Sep 7, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the prices though too. I also found out the WWE is making its first appearance in Newark on Oct. 4th. 12-15k is the range most likely. Ice hockey’s listed capacity is 17.5k. We’ll see how it goes.
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce couldn’t promote the last “biggest fight in the history of Strikeforce”, what makes you think they can do better this time? Plus, isn’t the casual fan gonna think “if this Russian guy is so good why isn’t this a title fight”? It just makes no sense that this isn’t at least for an interim championship.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor+Northeast. It’ll be a winning formula.
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a very strange equation.
Are you thinking people will have figured out the answer to this question (and still care if they did)
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now if someone was intrigued enough to try and figure out who the person on the ad was, how could they possibly do it?
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way. Even if 10% of 20,000,000 know who he is that’s still 2,000,000. All you need is 14,000 of them for a gate. TV is another ballgame.
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking as someone who can see the arena from my roof, this thing is going to be in asshole of America. It’s going to take a lot more than knowing who he is to care enough to get over here.
How many times does someone have to fail with the promoting strategy “fedor is the best” before people realize that it will take a little more than that to get people to care?
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’ll figure some strategy out. I vote for a public Red Sox Burning demo or perhaps he can do an interview about how much the Mets suck. Call out Jeter. That’ll make people care.
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about every fan in the arena gets a chance to fight Fedor.
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is, it’s closer to 2% of that 20mil that know who he is and probably around 5% of that 1mil actually care about him fighting. And about 3% of that 50,000 is willing to shell out the kind of dough needed for it to be lucrative for m-1/strikeforce.
by Screwface on Sep 8, 2009 3:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This is the type of fight you can’t see on an illegal stream. I’m definitely getting Showtime for Fedor.
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by IHateMMA on Sep 7, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not for me. Not unless they do a great job of promoting it. Sorry, but I’m not going out of my way to watch Fedor settle for second best.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Sep 7, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, b/c you need convincing as an MMA fan to watch the best MMA fighter fight.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I see every Anderson Silva fight.
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by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
zing boom sweep hurry hard fin.
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I would like to hear what the lines would be on a Fedor vs Silva fight. Hint, Fedor would be the favorite. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah cuz he’s 2 weight classes above Anderson.
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that hasn’t stopped Fedor from fighting a MW before
by Reaser16 on Sep 7, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You mean it hasn’t stopped fedor from fighting Super HWs before.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow fat people who cant move, or tall strikers who have no ground game? those super hws?
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there any other kind of super heavies?
by David_ on Sep 8, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BROCKLESNAR
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by ufc4 on Sep 8, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So would those SHWs be Zulu and Choi?
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by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention they are both about the same size and Silva is thinking of fighting at HW.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor vs. D-9 Prawn
Fedor won’t be the favorite =)
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prawns are stupid. The believe everything you tell them.
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way man. Fedor by armbar.
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by pud333 on Sep 7, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAR PRAWN
He’d slap Fedor first then eat him.
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he would be, but god damn I’d still love to see it.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Which means people would win money, Fedor couldent handle AA’s boxing just think what Anderson will do to him.
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh come the fuck on.
Kuwabara Kuwabara
by J. B. Maddox on Sep 8, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor gets dealt like a deck of cards in that fight, don’t fool yourself. Fedor’s good, but certainly not the best.
by Screwface on Sep 8, 2009 3:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Anderson is the best fighter. I still don’t get why some people can’t see that. And this is coming from a person who never really liked Anderson to begin with.
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by pud333 on Sep 7, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and still doesn’t.
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by pud333 on Sep 7, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If people didn’t need convincing, Affliction would have succeeded. Randy would have kept fighting the UFC, and the MMA world would be very different right now.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be watching, but I won’t be paying. Are you that ignorant as to put words in my mouth? Why would I PAY to see Fedor fight second tier opponents?
It is illogical to go out of my way to pay someone who won’t sacrifice to please the people who pay his bills. As far as I’m concerned, M-1 and Fedor will never get a penny from me.
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by kyfm621 on Sep 7, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping for a miracle win for Rogers, and I’ll be damned if I’m not DVR’ing that.
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by IHateMMA on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All he needs is
"I would say that he’s a little donkey that, he’s on steroids, he thinks he’s a running horse. But, he’s more like a little pony." - Gegard Mousasi on Paulo Filho
by Deo Wade on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The green looks too much like guacamole for my taste, but I heard Fedor keeps an open mind when it comes to ice cream.
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by kyfm621 on Sep 7, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any more colors in there
it could be sanctioned by wamma
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by blubber_guard on Sep 8, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea why they are being such cowards about counter programming. There’s virtually no evidence it hurts the opposition, and will just bring more press to Fedor. They should embrace it, instead they are hiding the ball and shortening their own chance to promote.
The UFC has a show ready to go with a full lineup to counter promote depending on Strikeforce’s show announcement. And no, I wouldn’t put it beyond them to counter program WEC. They are long since past caring about WEC and obviously are planning to absorb it.
by Michael Rome on Sep 7, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why counterprogram the WEC.
WEC 42. Main Event: Brock Lesnar vs a polar bear.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar?
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by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BROCKLESNAR
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by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
How well do you think the show is going to do? (Gate+ratings) Will we see a flop or will Strikeforce do another solid show?
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce doesn’t flop big shows. It will be a nother solid show.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
though it is kind of sad that the weak card for UFC 78 will have better attendance, gate and viewers than the (alleged) best fighter in mma…
by Reaser16 on Sep 7, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That ‘weak card’ had BE’s #3 LHW (Evans), #3 WW (Alves), #5 LW (Edgar), #12 WW (Parisyan), #13 LHW (T.Silva), #14 MW (Bisping), & #20 LW (Fisher) on it. Three top 10 guys and another four top 20 guys. Even the UFC’s worst cards are stacked with talented fighters.
by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of those guys were top 10 or 20 back then?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 8, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly…it was “weak” (at the time) for UFC standards…
i still liked it, and it’s still sad/funny that no one cares about Fedor, what everyone thought was the weakest UFC card in recent memory will destroy the gate and viewership Fedor, SF and Showtime get in the same building…
by Reaser16 on Sep 8, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reserve judgment to see how their promoting is going. “Solid” can be interpreted in many ways.
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of these “big shows” has strikefarce had?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I hate to defend supremacy, but he said “solid show”…which Strikeforce has plenty of.
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by kyfm621 on Sep 7, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Strikeforce doesn’t flop big shows."
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by Paynuss on Sep 7, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, he said they don’t flop “big shows”.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and I said it will be solid, like all their non Challenger shows.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the numbers those have pulled will be enough to keep the great Edor happy.
That’s sort of the whole problem (I think) with the signing. It requires a huge leap in the amount of promotion that needs to be done, and what the definition of a “good” show is. They haven’t shown anything that shows they are ready to make that leap right now, and the troubles they had last time, when working with a much more promotable figure (gina) does not bode will.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t you shooting for something more than “solid” when you are talking about the biggest signing in company history, the highest paid fighter on your roster and the supposed best fighter in the whole world? I would think “solid” would be a HUGE disappointment.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying it will most definitely be solid. It could always be better, which is what they are shooting for, I would think.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you’re saying, and what I’m saying is if the best they can do with Fedor is “solid” then they might as well close down shop right now.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 8, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brock does
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUt-5PnrfjY
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 8, 2009 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’ve only had one good rating since coming on the air and it was with Gina Carano, the biggest TV draw in MMA history thus far. They also did a fucking terrible job promoting that fight.
by Michael Rome on Sep 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at the end of the day, they are solid shows. The Diaz vs Shamrock event had solid gate numbers and was successful. Sure the ratings weren’t as high, but it was still a solid show for them.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t change the fact that they did a horrible job promoting it, which was the original discussion.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Could they have done better? Yes. Did it flop? No.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could UFC 100 have done better? I really don’t see how. When you are chasing a behemoth like the UFC you can’t afford to not hit a homerun every time you have a show with the possibilities of a Carano vs. Cyborg.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Your forgetting
This isnt Affliction. This isnt the IFL. They arent chasing the UFC.
Strikeforce is simply an mma company trying to put on competetive fights for the fans.
The only reason Dana hates them now is because they signed a guy he wanted.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also said he hates Showtime, who Strikeforce is in bed with.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he hates Showtime it's only because
they gave Strikeforce a tv deal.
Dana doesnt care if your a small league with no tv deal and no real top talent.
But if you sign any top talent that Dana wants and get on tv Dana thinks you screwing him over.
Dana can have any talent and any tv deals he wants he just has to come to an agreement with talent or tv but sometimes he doesnt and then acts like another company is in the wrong.
The UFC could have had Fedor and a deal with HBO but Dana was not willing to get either deal done and now your gonna hate Strikeforce because they took a tv deal and signed Fedor?
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may seem like he takes this all personally but it’s just business, if he thinks you are a threat to him then he is out to squash you, that’s it. He is a cut-throat businessman and considering where Zuffa is now compared to 7 or 8 years ago I think it’s pretty obvious that he is good at what he does.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you sign the consensus #1 HW in the world, you step up into the big boy leagues, whether you like it or not.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce has always been able to draw well in Northern California. The question is can they make the leap to the national stage.
Thus far, their results have mixed. They only drew 8000+ fans for their Tacoma show (Sapp-Nortje) and only drew 7000+ fans for their St. Louis show (Shields-Lawler). San Jose can’t support more than 4-6 cards a year without cannibalizing their gate receipts per event. If the are going to putting on as many shows as they claim, they are going to need to find a way to open up new markets.
by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the St. Louis show drew close to 9k fans, not 7K.
The Sapp vs Nortje show was NOT a big show for them.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 8, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally, headliningg the preliminary portion of the card was Jesse Finney, whose St. Louis gym single-handedly drew thousands of the reported 8,867 spectators to the Scottrade Center to watch his submission win over Josh Bumgarner.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they ate telling fighters In advance wh their opponents will be. It’s gonna be tough for them putting a five week training camp
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 7, 2009 10:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And wh=who?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Can Somebody explain to me what is the end game?
Lets say Strikeforce goes under after its next show, then what?
Does the UFC want to be the only mma organization in the U.S.? In the world?
If Fedor doesnt sign with the UFC after Strikeforce is the plan to kill any organization that he can go to until he either comes to the UFC or retires?
Are they gonna eventually try to counter program Dream and Sengoku. Is Dana gonna let these small organizations live on.
Even if Strikeforce dies someone else will come up, Bellator or someone.
So what is the plan to counter program until you have the top 10 fighters in each division? Top 20? Top 50?
Somebody just tell me where is this going? What is the plan?
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
best fighters in one org….
everyone else in the minor leagues trying to get up (or back up) to the major league (UFC if things stay as is)…
by Reaser16 on Sep 7, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok and so the top fighters is it top 10? top 20? top 50?
And who makes that call? Dana White?
Andrei Arlovski is top 20 at least on every website but Dana has no interest in him.
Bloodyelbow has Sokodjou still top 25 but Dana dont want him back.
And what if a fighter wants to compete in Japan and not in the UFC than what?
You already have guys like Alvarez and Fedor who dont want to fight in the UFC but so the plan is to kill every organization until they’re forced to come or retire?
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
US Monopoly. That’s what they want. (for now).
by Sokonojudo on Sep 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Dana makes that call. And why would he want guys coming off two or three straight losses? He wanted AA back before he left and tried very hard to keep him, why would they try to get him back when he is still gonna want to be paid highly but has lost two in a row including an embarassing KO in under thirty seconds?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So now Dana White determines who is a good fighter and who isnt?
Look I’m not trying to start an argument but the whole all fighters under one umbrella thing is a lot more complicated than people make it out to be.
Sure you wanna see a guy like Fedor under the UFC banner but what happens if Strikeforce shuts down and then he goes to Dream?
Then so if Dana says Fedor’s not top 50 he’s not?
What is the point of trying to kill all these organizations if you cant secure all the great fighters under one banner?
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that Dana gets more money. Usually a good thing for him to do since he is running a company.
Also, if Dana kills all the companies that Fedor can go to, Fedor will have to sign with them or retire, either way Dana wins.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok so if Fedor goes to Dream are we gonna see CP for Dream?
How many companies are you gonna try and kill before you realize hey this guy doesnt want to fight for us and move on.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dream isn’t in the US trying to compete with the UFC, it’s two completely different things.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But what if Dana kills Strikeforce and Fedor goes there?
You think Dana is just gonna sit by as some company takes the guy he wants. He never had a problem with Strikeforce either until they took Fedor when he wanted him.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Dana had a real problem with StrikeForce the moment they announced some sort of partnership with Dream.
by NinjaCodah on Sep 7, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Fedor is off the continent and can only be seen live at 3AM fighting Bob Sapp, Dana’s happy.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, as long as Fedor isn’t in direct competition with him then he could care less. There’s a reason he let Ishii go back to Japan without much of a fight.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didnt let Ishii go
Ishii decided to sign with Sengoku because he realized he could make more money. and Dana wasnt butt hurt because Ishii is 0-0 in mma.
We will see I still think that if Fedor winds up with Dream or Sengoku Dana is gonna start a world war because they have talent he wants but maybe I’m wrong.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana attacks what he sees as threats.
Fedor in Japan is not a threat. With the time difference and what Dream and Sengoku have for TV deals, they are nowhere near a threat.
Fedor+SF+Showtime is a threat, especially with the added possibility of CBS hanging int the balance.
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Dana had him signed and let him go. He said to the kid if you want to go over there and make money go ahead.
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have proof of this
I tried googling it.
I can find reports that he started exclusive negotiations with the UFC but never came to terms.
I was able to find one and i do mean 1 report on watchkalibrun that said he had signed and that then he backed out and Dana let him but if there is something else I’d like to see it.
watchkalibrun maybe right but at the same time its just a little weird that only one website reported this.
If you have any others I’d love to see because the only thing I can find outside of wkr.com is that they were in negotiations and dana saying if the kid wanted to go to japan he wouldnt hold it agianst him because he has a “lotto ticket” over there.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 8, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ishii was just in it for the UFC swag.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mmaconvert.com/2009/02/10/satoshi-ishiis-signed-to-the-ufc-but-hes-free-to-go/
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/2/10/755206/satoshi-ishii-should-liste
Thats all i acan find with 5 mins of looking
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
Neither of those came up when I searched.
You were right.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 8, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah i would ask for proof too, I mean seeing how the ufc are with their contracts and all. I guess it was a matter of they did not invest any money in him to promote him (unless you count the quick looks at him at the live events) they could let him go.
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually as i was writing that Logic made the same point in the comments.
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To TRY and secure all the great fighters under one banner. Does he want every fighter in the top 50? No, but he wants every fighter in the top 5, and definitely anyone who could be considered one of the best P4P.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 in what Dana's divisions?
Look at lw? You have guys like Aoki and Alvarez but Dana isnt making a run at them.
So what now whoever Dana says is top 5 then that is top 5 in each division?
I respect Dana for wanting to get all the top fighters in one organization but it is easier said then done.
So imagine UFC kills Strikeforce, then Fedor goes to Dream so they kill Dream then Sengoku so they kill Sengoku, then some other company and they kill that company 2 then Fedor retires and guess what the UFC would have all the best fighters finally but then a bunch of the mma I like and I think alot of people like is gone.
Do you people really want that?
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"What you mean, 'you people'?"
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
RDJ got robbed by Heath Ledger, he should have won some kind of award for that performance.
by CliChe Guevara on Sep 8, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An appearance in a sequel?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Sep 8, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
Zing.
I'm the kind of girl who loves to watch a GOOD fight!
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by funnytiger on Sep 8, 2009 7:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Heath deserved it
His Joker performance was incredible.
Also, majority of the time comedy < most other genres for awards purposes.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Sep 8, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
So the UFC is like a business? And Dana White is like the boss, and if you don’t perform well your boss can fire you? That’s blasphemy! What will those poor fighters do? Oh yeah, get a real fucking job like everyone else.
by Screwface on Sep 8, 2009 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
There is no real endgame for the UFC. They just want to keep marching on until MMA is bigger than soccer.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with that
Soccer isnt big in America but is huge everywhere else.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 7, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that, but that’s the stated long term goal of the UFC’s brass.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who actually believes this is their goal is delusional. People take what Dana says way too seriously.
by Michael Rome on Sep 7, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s never happening, but big talk gets attention.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you aimed to be as big as Curling, would you really be happy with yourself if you were? I’d rather set my goals so high that ‘settling’ was a win for everyone else, than set reasonable goals and actually be settling.
by CliChe Guevara on Sep 8, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigger than Soccer? MMA isn’t even bigger than boxing worldwide and people think it could be bigger than socceerr? It’s like the absurd notion MMA will be bigger than the NFL
by gunranger on Sep 7, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t that long ago that it was an absurd notion that the NFL would be bigger than baseball or that the NHL would fall of the face of the earth (as far as the US is concerned).
by Phildo on Sep 7, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boxing had and will have more faces that cultures and nations relate to. They become national heroe and yet they aren’t bigger than soccer worldwide. Boxing makes much more than MMA around the world. MMA isn’t even sanctioned in a lot of states. It’s delusional to think it will.
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by gunranger on Sep 7, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA will never be bigger than soccer because there is a large portion of the world’s population who find combat sports morally repugnant. There will always be people who are opposed in principal to the idea of two people beating the shit out of each other for the entertainment of the masses.
by Steve4192 on Sep 8, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if its in jersey i’ll make the trip there for sure.
@mikefareri on twitter.
by sonofapsycho on Sep 7, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Couple Of Points...
1) The Oct. 10th date for Strikforce and Showtime isn’t something new, no matter how awesome you think McNeil was for “breaking” that news.
2) (August 14th) Showtime said it themselves that Oct. 10th was a strong possibility.
We already knew that DREAM.11 would take place on Oct. 6 and UFC 104 on Oct. 24, but now it looks like Fedor Emelianenko will make his Strikeforce debut on Oct. 10. Ken Hershman, Showtime Sports’ senior vice president and general manager, informed FanHouse of the news on Thursday. Emelianenko’s first fight for the organization will air live on the premium cable network.
http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/08/14/strikeforce-close-to-finalizing-debut-date-for-fedor-emelianenko/
3) (Aug 24th) WEC Postponed to Oct. 10
http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2009/8/24/1001131/wec-43-postponed
4) There is another date in November they are looking at as well.
5) Oct. 23rd in Fresno is also being looked at for their next Challengers show.
If anything, the WEC bumped their show right to the original date that the Strikforce Oct. show was going to take place.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 7, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Why do I get the feeling that another 300 post Fedor special is bearing down on us?
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cuz we’re almost halfway there?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Batten down the hatches, full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes.
Do you assholes want to live forever?!
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 7, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batten down the hatches, full speed ahead,damnman the torpedoes.
Unless I’m missing an obvious movie quote, I fixed it for you. :)
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Sep 8, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m quoting a Civil War captain who gave the order “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!”
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adm. David Farragut during the Battle of Mobile Bay
I’ve been to the marker showing where the battle took place out at Ft. Morgan.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Sep 8, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have to do this in new jersey…… if they do i will be their
The Power of One
by MMAFanatic on Sep 8, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You will be their what?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 8, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hahaha I wrote that about 5 mins ago but decided not to hit “post” because I thought it was too silly.
by David_ on Sep 8, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic:
Sig bet for 103 Whodoyagot?
I gots:
Franklin
dos Santos
Kos
Griffin
Kampmann
Efrain
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m gonna go
Belfort- Honestly I hope this can lead to Belfort/Silva
Dos Santos-I hope this is an ultra competitive match where both fighters look good
Kos- Frank could easily get this though
Griffin- He will win by decesion but im praying a stoppage
Kampmann- If it was Swick I was going Swick but Daley I’ll pick Kampmann if this fight happens at all it maybe dropped
and the upset special Miller over Efrain – I dont know why but you got to go one upset and I dont consider Belfort my upset
by bigdmmafan on Sep 8, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ufc4 and myself have an ongoing signature bet, and I’m kicking his ass on a regular basis. Notice the “Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot”? That’s what it’s all about.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also: Belfort over Franklin?!?!?! Madness!~!
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering what the deal was with the walla walla walla thing
Belfort can do it but if he doesnt get the ko in rd. 1 then i got Franklin via ud.
People underate Vitor since a sd loss to Ortiz in 2005 he has only lost twice to Overeem (one choke and one ud) and Hendo(ud)
Not saying he is a lock but madness isnt the right word either
by bigdmmafan on Sep 8, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belfort- Honestly I hope this can lead to Belfort/Silva
You’re confusing what you want to see with what will probably happen. That is a secret to winning signature bets.
You may go now young grasshopper, today’s lesson is complete.
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok that is true
But you gotta give Belfort a chance just because he has ko power.
Plus we both know Franklin’s only chance of winning this fight is a Decision.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 8, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna be exactly like the Wanderlei fight. Rich is tough as nails
Keep firing Assholes!
ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!
by Ubernoober on Sep 8, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva agrees ;-)
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Sep 8, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still thinking I’ll let you know. And the reason you always win is because you always take the favorites.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 8, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gina is more marketable then Fedor.
Fedor a pudgy Russan, Gina sexy woman who every one wants to fuck so theres no contest there. Now ufc 100 replay killed Gina in ratings. So if the UFC puts together a big live card SF ratings will take a huge hit.
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speak for yourself , I think Fedor is the hottest piece of ass around . I wanna have his children.
by JoelMan on Sep 8, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now ufc 100 replay killed Gina in ratings.
This is like comparing apples and oranges. The Strikeforce show was successful for Showtime and the Spike TV did well for Spike, as expected. That’s the bottom line.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 8, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is that of the millions of people watching spike that night, some of they may or may not have watched the Gina fight if UFC 100 wasn’t playing. Would it make a difference? Maybe, maybe not, but the UFC isn’t going to risk NOT counter programming.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Sep 8, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line is a set of fights that took place a very short time ago managed to beat out live fights. All the UFC had to do was throw in a few undercard fights, even then it was probably not needed. SF as it stands now has no chance unless they meet this thing head on and set a date and start some heavy promotion other wise look for the UFC to counter program and blow the event out of the water.
by Riley_96 on Sep 8, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I walked over to the box office at the Prudential Center during my lunch hour.
Me: My buddies are coming over the weekend of October 9, anything going on that weekend?
Lady: Nothing on the 9th, we have a Strikeforce on the 10th, and nothing on the 11th.
Me: Do you have any details about that Strikeforce?
Lady: no
Me: When do tickets go on sale?
Lady: Next week
Me: Any idea on prices?
Lady: No
So it looks like they’ve booked an arena, for something. They said tickets will be on sale next week, so we should be getting some info soon.
by Phildo on Sep 8, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The announcement for the show will be made in a few days.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so they have 4 weeks to market the event and sell tickets, etc…
by Reaser16 on Sep 8, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they think they are going to outsmart the UFC on this one. Yeah, right.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a joke i was reading these 100+ comments how they dont care about SF and Fedor…yet they are waisting their time writing and arguing about it….i guess if its free yall all over it…if its a penny yall like the jews… well all i can say is i will watch any fight if i can afford it or i can watch it. free or not because i love the sport and i think fight is a fight i have seen no name fighters fight a good fight even better then lots of fights that i see on UFC. so if ur gonna hate …no one can stop you…but hating and posting over 100+ post about a guy that you dont “care”….. lol JOKE.
by 1WAYtiket on Sep 8, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also another thing if Tito went to SF and got his ass handed to him by Gegard or any other LHW, yall would say he is a can and his fighting days are behind him …but now since he went to UFC…he is still considered to be a force….and i can say the same thing about over 20 fighters that come and go out of UFC…. but when they fight outside UFC they suck…they fight in UFC…they shit gold….lol SERIOUS? wow what a joke…
by 1WAYtiket on Sep 8, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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