Snapshot of the Day: Roy Nelson Defeats Kimbo Slice by TKO, Round 2
by Nick Thomas on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 PM EDT
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Bout report by Kid Nate: Just as all the participating Bloody Elbow staff members predicted, Roy Nelson beat Kimbo Slice by TKO on tonight's episode of The Ultimate Fighter.
The finish came in the second round of their exhibition match.Slice acquitted himself well for the standing portion of the fight in both rounds, but on the ground he had no answer for Nelson's considerable ground skills.
In the first round the two had an extended feeling out process on the feet with Nelson scoring the first blows with some ineffectual jabs. Around the three minute mark, Slice cornered Nelson against the cage and was peppering him with hard punches when "Big Country" forced the clinch and began working for the takedown. The street fighter managed to stay on his feet for over a full minute in the clinch before falling to a trip with 1:34 remaining. Nelson immediately claimed the mount position before transitioning to side mount. From there Nelson achieved the crucifix position -- trapping Slice's right arm with his legs and pinning Kimbo's left arm with his right hand. Slice very nearly used the fence to sweep Nelson but failed to dislodge the veteran MMA fighter. Nelson ended the round scoring with punches to a helpless Kimbo but not doing major damage.
Regardless it was very reminiscent of Dan Miragliotta's failure to stop the fight on Kimbo's EliteXC CBS debut against James Thompson when Thompson had a similar position and was raining down even harder shots.
Between rounds, Kimbo's coach Rampage Jackson advised him to hang on and stall for a restart should he be taken down again. Slice came out aggressive in the second round and scored with both hands but failed to stagger his opponent. Nelson got the takedown in the first 45 seconds of the round and needed only seconds to get back to side mount. From there he immediately worked to reestablish the crucifix position and began raining down shots. Referee Herb Dean stopped the fight with 3:00 left to go.
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I’m surprised Nelson didn’t get KO’d staring at the Burger King logo on the mat.
by nitro on Sep 30, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap…where have you been?
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by themachiavellian on Sep 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Nelson just can’t get any respect. He’s a top-notch grappler with great jiu-jitsu skills. Give IT UP!!!
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 30, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hear, hear!
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Nelson’s work ethic is really quite disgusting. How can this guy consider himself to be a serious mixed martial artist when he eats that shit and is bordering on morbidly obese?
by zeke21 on Sep 30, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Morbidly Obese? Do you know what obese looks like?
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BMI makes him technically morbidly obese.
by Charger567 on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My BMI makes me morbidly obese
and I’m 150 on a 5’3" frame.
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by RoyalB on Sep 30, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar is technically morbidly obese then too.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugly weaponry cannot be morbidly obese.
by dv8shun on Oct 1, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same BMI calculation technically makes Brock Lesnar(and pretty much everyone in the heavyweight division for that matter) morbidly obese. Height and weight is the only things it takes into account. Hell the BMI on Randy Couture puts him borderline obese.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also assumed that a healthy weight is proportional to the square of the height.
Which would make sense if we were 2-dimensional.
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by Llewdor on Oct 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in short...
BMI is totally useless. just FYI.
by saaby on Oct 1, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the Penn & Teller Bullsit episode?
On the BMI? Absolutely hilarious!
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by funnytiger on Oct 1, 2009 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Just because he looks out of shape, doesn’t mean he is out of shape.
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by 49er16 on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of amazed that anyone would really argue that.
If you look at Roy, does he look in shape? Ignoring his calves, does any part of him look like it’s honed for top-notch fighting.
Nelson has some skills but he also makes a very poor effort of being fit.
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by azruavatar on Sep 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somethings got to hold up all that weight.
Calves apparently have been bearing that burden all by their lonesome for a while from the look of it.
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by azruavatar on Sep 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop it.. you’re basing it on his physique alone cause you don’t know half the stuff you’re talking about man.
does any part of him look like it’s honed for top-notch fighting.
Well he IS a top notch fighter who has great skills.. no one will get a black belt under a gracie and be top 25 in the world without being serious. Take a look at Wes Shivers, if it’s based on looks alone, then he’s the most conditioned guy in the house.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing that he doesn't have skills.
If you read the comment I was responding to it was about whether he was in shape.
if it’s based on looks alone, then he’s the most conditioned guy in the house.
Strawman argument. No one is pushing that point.
Responding to everyone with a “you don’t know what your talking about” comment does little to elucidate your point.
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by azruavatar on Oct 1, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well where are you basing your conclusion that he isn't conditioned and honed for top-notch fighting?
his gas tank? his performance? his past performances? cause he didn’t seem to gas from all those fights that i remember..
I wonder how many of them you saw..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the new
front page post from Rome:
I suppose the more surprising part was Roy Nelson. He didn’t look particularly good either, and was shockingly gassed by the middle of the second round.
Are you Nelson’s agent or something?
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by azruavatar on Oct 1, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson looked gassed?
I’m gonna have to watch it again. I didn’t think he looked gassed.
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was more rocked, than gassed..
Kimbo landed a big shot and a knee before getting taken down in the second..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, ok that I saw. Didn’t seem gassed, but yeah definitely a bit rocked.
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
key word.. shockingly..
the guy has proved time and time again for years now that he performs better than he looks.. and again, have you seen him perform like an out of shape obese guy in any of his fights?
funny how you weren’t answering any of my points.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now, this could be the first Roy Nelson fight he’s ever seen. He fights UFC, right?
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by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one time i attempted a UFC move and fell out the window.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were you listening to heavy metal and playing D&D at the time?
Which by the way (damned if I can remember his name), the flower guy… I’m so rooting for him now. He was a D&D freak? That was awesome! :)
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus.
yeah he seems like a pretty cool guy.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm basing it in part
that his strikes looked woefully ineffective and weak against a overmatched opponent. Am I aware of what he looked like in the past? Yes. He was a very good fighter in the IFL. That doesn’t mean his conditioning hasn’t deteriorated.
In that fight, he performed by an out of shape obese guy who was very good at pinning his opponent and that’s it. His standing strikes were weak. His damage from the dominant crucifix was minimal. He offered little else in way of skillset than grappling.
funny how all your points are of your own conjuring rather than things I’ve actually said.
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by azruavatar on Oct 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So other that the complete domination and ease of moving to the crucifix (twice) his skillset in grappling was lacking :D You do realize how that sounds right?
It seems your only real issue here is that Roy Nelson didn’t send Kimbo to the hospital for stitches when he had the chance, was that a bad performance by Roy or him just cutting an obviously overmatched guy a break on a reality show? Roy didn’t have to give Kimbo a concussion to win that fight he was landing shots at will and Kimbo was just laying there undefended it was pretty much as complete and dominating of a victory as you could get. Seems people are unimpressed just because Roy didn’t give them blood which honestly is a bit sad when you think about it.
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading comprehension.
I didn’t say his grappling was lacking.
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by azruavatar on Oct 1, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe cause Kimbo is a striker, and Roy is a grappler? no?
he performed, or looked like an obese guy? which is it really?
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he performed, or looked like an obese guy?
These aren’t mutually exclusive options.
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by azruavatar on Oct 1, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most base his fitness on his physique alone. However, after seeing him on the show he also seems to try to cut corners in training and eats like what you’d expect a man with his gut to eat like. It’s not like he naturally a heavier person its that his eating habits make him that way…If he wasn’t staying as active as he is with MMA he would probably be 100lbs heavier. The fact that you can work out as much as he does and not burn your body fat just shows how much calorie intake he has.
by YoungGun on Oct 1, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just last week we had Wes Shivers in there (a guy who looked like a million bucks) huffing and puffing half a round in and standing there with his hands on his knees in the second round, Roy went almost as long in the fight and he wasn’t even breathing hard at the end. What a guy looks like isn’t always the best way to judge what kind of shape they are in when it comes to fighting. When anyone actually sees Roy have problems with cardio or strength then maybe there would be a reason to point it out but just because the guy doesn’t fit the mold of what people are expecting doesn’t mean that he isn’t in really good fighting shape.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mass is mass when you have that much solid muscle mass to move around it takes a lot of cardio. I don’t know a lot of the science behind it but I think when you have that much muscle you’re more prone to the effects of lactic acid which impedes your bodies ability to recover from physical exertion. I think also the way your body converts energy it can do it more efficiently drawing it from fat cells.
I have read some people credit Fedor’s body style and the fact that he isn’t jacked with muscle and carries a slightly deflated tire around the waste actually helps him vs someone that is all lean muscle and no fat.
Roy on the other hand has A LOT of excess fat and is actually at a high risk for a lot of health problems. People that carry the majority of their fat in their gut are at a greater risk then people that carry it more evenly around the body.
by YoungGun on Oct 1, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually got fat calves now that you're checking
But come on man.
Roy can fight.
That’s all that matters.
by dohfil on Oct 1, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His cankles
look like they’re honed for top-notch fighting. When you get a Cro-Cop LHK with a cankle, that’s extra momentum into your cabbage.
by deepbeep on Oct 1, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
if you look at his figure, sans gut – he’s in good shape. Every see a fit guy with a beer belly? I’ve played rugby with so many “obese” looking guys. A beer gut is just a gut, nothing more doesn’t and shouldn’t mean anything.
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by achengy on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The man has a black belt from Renzo Gracie. He’s as serious as he needs to be.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can this guy consider himself to be a serious mixed martial artist…
Because he trains his ass off and beats other serious mixed martial artists
by Shaun32887 on Oct 1, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All he did was lie on top of Kimbo and smother him with his fat. No grappling at all.
by Rusty Trombone on Sep 30, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay you crucifix someone
and just let them take punches without someone being able to answer.
He didn’t just lie down and rest in guard. He got Kimbo stuck in a VERY dominant position.
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by achengy on Sep 30, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But was not inflicting any damage.
by Rusty Trombone on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To quote:
No grappling at all.
Fail.
Yes he was not powerful but that’s beside the argument you made. You said he was just smothering him with his fat clearly making you sound like someone who’s lacking knowledge.
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by achengy on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you said there was “no grappling at all.” You don’t need to do damage for it to be grappling.
by Tedd Welch on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok let me clarify what I meant, Roy had little to no movement on the ground. He more or less fell into position and used his girth/weight to hold Kimbo down. The only real action was Roy working the Kimura which Kimbo easily defended.
by Rusty Trombone on Sep 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using weight to control your opponent is a huge part of grappling.
I think there’s a misunderstanding here; is one of your criteria that a good grappler be actively hunting for submissions?
by Tedd Welch on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as opposed to actively hunting for positions
by Tedd Welch on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo
was trying to escape so holding/gaining positional dominance is usually the way to go when a fighter is attempting to scramble up. Roy was just composed on the ground and didn’t try anything rash.
By crucifixing Kimbo, Roy was risking position to put in a position where the fight would need to be ended or close to it (if you end up in a crucifix against most fighters – bye bye.). A lot of fighters lose position putting the knee on the arm but Kimbo almost seemingly allowed it/had no defense for it.
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by achengy on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He moved from mount to a crucifix twice in the fight, that’s a lot more than just falling on the guy he utterly dominated him in every aspect on the ground. You just don’t get much more dominated than having a guy tie up both your arms and not being able to defend yourself at all.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah..
I have a feeling a lot of people are gonna hate on Roy for a while..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What gets me is that if Roy was ripped he probably wouldn’t get as much grief for that performance. It’s one thing to think he could of thrown harder shots it is another to crap on a dominating performance just because the guy doesn’t look like Phil Baroni.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're pissed
because they think that an out of shape bum fell on kimbo and just hugged him out till the ref stopped it..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mischaracterizations are fun, no?
Why is it unreasonable to think that a veteran MMA fighter (who should be head and shoulders above everyone else in his technique) needs to do more than slap a obviously outclassed opponent with his purse? Roy won the fight and there’s little to dispute about that but his crowing about it afterwards was pathetic. Given his resume, that wasn’t a particularly impressive showing.
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by azruavatar on Sep 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn’t need to be impressive in that sense to move Roy on to the next round. Hell it was a gimme fight for Roy Nelson, he didn’t just win he completely dominated the guy and clowned him on the ground. If he had done the same exact thing but had busted Kimbo open would that of really changed anything about the fight besides making the ending look more impressive? Honestly besides the fact that he didn’t throw really hard shots at Kimbo’s undefended face what was the problem here?
What was wrong with the guy hamming it up and being happy that he won the fight? It’s not like he pulled a Brock Lesnar in there after the fight was over. Why are people out to give the guy such a hard time?
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only person who has any real right to complain is Zuffa management, because Nelson might have laid an egg on the whole season. That being said, maybe they shouldn’t have put Nelson on TUF with a bunch of novices if he didn’t want him a funny-looking guy fighting on cruise control taking out marketable guys.
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by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Honestly why would Zuffa be upset that Roy ended the fight without taking Kimbo completely out of the competition for good? If Kimbo had ended up with stiches then there would be no way for the TUF producers to sneak him back in for another fight later in the show. Not f-ing Kimbo up when he had the chance may of been him throwing Kimbo a bone (apparently Kimbo and Roy are roomates in the house), it kept both guys healthy and left SpikeTV with a marketing angle (that they immediately are going to apparently run with next week).
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a very reasonable line of thinking. I am of the opinion that there is going to be some dismissive negative mainstream sports coverage about Kimbo losing in such an uninspiring fashion to guy who looks like Nelson. Not much, but the fact is that the only mention of the UFC I’ve heard on my (admittedly brief) morning commute in at least the last month or so has been over the last two days regarding Kimbo.
The UFC obviously doesn’t rely on mainstream coverage for it’s hype machine, so I don’t think such a reaction will kill the ability to market Kimbo—but flops like this are cumulative in much the same way as KOs. Each one removes some of the potential, from a marketing standpoint.
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by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy had little to no movement on the ground
I’m guessing you don’t train.
In the first round alone, Roy went from side control to knee on belly to full mount to side control again before finally getting into the beatdown position. It may not have looked like a lot of movement to you because he did it all very smoothly within about five seconds, but that doesn’t change the fact that it required some very slick grappling.
by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn’t have to, the fight should of been stopped in the first when he had complete control and Kimbo just laid there unable to even defend himself. Kimbo was just laying there eating shots and couldn’t defend himself at all, at that point how hard the shots were wasn’t as important as the fact that Roy could of hit him in the face all day if he wanted to. You don’t have to kill the other guy to win the fight.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy fought a smart fight. He knew Kimbo’s ground game was “Houston Alexanderesque” and took advantage.
A smart fight doesn’t make an entertaining fight however and obviously based on Dana’s comments, he wasn’t too impressed with Roy’s Frito Lay n’ Pray crucifix.
On a personal note, I hope Roy Nelson makes it to the UFC just so I can watch Brock fist rape his skull and deflate his big ego.
by cdny on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Frito Lay n’ Pray crucifix.
amazing!
by woooburn on Sep 30, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock fist rape his skull and deflate his big ego
Wow! Your on fire.
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by 49er16 on Sep 30, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was angry. What a let down. I wanted to see the two of them banging like porn stars in the center of the Octagon. I wanted to hear Kimbo mumble in an Ivan Drago monotone “I must break you.”
Instead we got the stay puff marshmellow man caressing his belly against Kimbo’s face pubes.
I’m glad this wasn’t a PPV, because I’d have wanted my money back.
by cdny on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you paid to see this fight on ppv, you would have deserved to lose it.
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if it was a PPV instead of a fight where we know one of the guys(maybe both) is going to have to fight in another couple of weeks then perhaps we would of seen a better show. Roy seemed to be more worried about not being hurt for the next fight than putting on a show with Kimbo and honestly Roy didn’t have to do much to win that fight anyway.
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was commenting more on neither guy being especially good enough to headline a PPV. If someone bought a PPV based on these two, then they deserve the lost money. I’m not talking about the fight itself :)
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree with that, the idea of them trying to sell this as a big time PPV level fight on the show was hilarious.
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to see the two of them banging like porn stars
Dear god man, why?
I want to go wash my mind out with bleach…
by Shaun32887 on Oct 1, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the new breed of MMA fan.
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Breed?
I have every Pride fight on DVD. I’ve been watching the UFC since it was a spectacle and not a sport.
Why not try “Welcome to the new breed of MMA fighter”. The ones who gloat after an uninspired performance where girth outmatched skill.
by cdny on Oct 1, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As I said...
:)
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does have an impressive girth you have to admit.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Nelson is demonstrably more skilled as an MMA fighter than Kimbo Slice. It was demonstrated, in fact, in the very fight that was aired this evening.
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by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please ignore most of these guys
Your point is well taken.
by asa on Oct 1, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am equally impressed with Nelson’s positional grappling and unimpressed with his ground and pound.
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by Rundownloser on Sep 30, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy is a great grappler
and he has always used his weight well..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really at that point he didn’t have to bust the guy up to win the fight. It would of been better for Roy if he had been more impressive with those shots but he knew it was over.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His comment earlier in the episode about counting the shots out loud and his performance against Kimbo make me think that he (might) do just enough to get by.
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by Rundownloser on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I think Roy was looking past Kimbo to the next round and didn’t want to do anything that might get him hurt. That’s one reason it surprised me he stood with him as long as he did because once it hit the ground the fight was pretty much over from there.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing how lots of non-BE regulars came out to live blog with us.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Curiosity ?
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by 49er16 on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized you changed your name. Why would you do such a terrible thing? My brain doesn’t work good. Playin’ with my e-motions, man.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 1, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That happened for a specific reason of confusing a tommy point.. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a conspiracy.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s “belly-mission” at work
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by awesome21 on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How long til they know the ratings numbers??
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by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The ratings usually come out by either tomorrow mourning or tomorrow afternoon.
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by 49er16 on Sep 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone honestly expect anything else from that? Roy Nelson didn’t do a lot but then he didn’t have to do much to win that fight, no reason for him to put on a show when it’s all about getting through without getting hurt. Kimbo was way out of his league there, I mean Roy moved fairly easily into on of the most dominant positions you can get on the ground twice with very little effort.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I expected that just cuz i knew the outcome before it started..damn spoilers haha
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by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see the spoilers but I just didn’t see how it would turn out any other way. If anything I was surprised Roy stood with him as long as he did.
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was suprised how long he stood too…I just heard through the loop. Not on the internet. People love to talk in the gym.
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by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen with 10 seconds left in the 1st round. Dana yells “10 Seconds!” as if he was telling Herb not to stop the fight
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, he did? How do you know it was him? There was a bunch of people in the room. This is a serious question btw not being a smart ass.
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by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea watch the episode again and listen
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool…yeah that is kinda suspect of Dana
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by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll post it back here after i watch it or find a clip
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounded like it to me after a second watch
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm….well if they were worried about it they could have edited it out i suppose
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by ANance on Oct 1, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana getting his Jared Shaw on there. LOL.
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
MMA math sez:
Kimbo > Fabiano Scherner, Brad Imes, Antoine Jaoude
He lasted longer than most of Roy’s IFL opponents.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was an interesting bit from Jordan Breen:
Also, when you see fighters gameplanning to exploit it, it proves “intelligent defense” alone is not an acceptable standard of defeat.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Sep 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think it’s clear Roy’s gameplan was to crucifix and have the fight stopped even with the weak strikes.
But is there any reason to think that the conversation he had with the others about it was actually before the fight? It seems more likely they were discussing it after the fact.
by BTastros on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dvr’ed it and rewatched that scene. Nelson says “when you get him in the crucifix position and you landing unanswered shot, you know like I was”
by superap on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i swore he said something about the crucifx…how ironic…or setup…haha
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by ANance on Oct 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call. Entirely possible.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Sep 30, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Are we to assume that after enough punches, Kimbo would suddenly remember how to escape that position?
by JRN on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a real valid point since it’s a 2 round fight, but the flip side of that is, why should he try to escape that position if he isn’t going to get knocked out?
I have a very old school attitude about it, but the ref is supposed to stop the fight to prevent someone from getting knocked out. If Kimbo isn’t going to get knocked out from those punches, and the ref doesn’t stop it, maybe roy changes something to try to do some more damage and get a definitive stoppage, maybe roy loads up for a big punch and kimbo uses the change of momentum for a sweep, he did come pretty close in the first round, you don’t know.
by Phildo on Sep 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're in a position where you are taking blows to the face
and can neither defend yourself nor escape the fight is over.
I didn’t hear many complaints when Matt Hughes got the stoppage over B.J. Penn from the crucifix.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 30, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I’m not really complaining about this stoppage, it’s just that I’d like to see a little more damage done. I can see the overall point in Breen’s statement.
I’d rather Roy throw 3 hard punches from that position instead of counting to 50 throwing what he was throwing.
by Phildo on Sep 30, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only real knock on Roy’s performance would be that he didn’t really lay into him with serious shots and finish it in the first round. He seemed to be trying to just enough to move on to the next round instead of pushing to finish hard and make a point. I have to wonder if Roy was just that confident going in or if there are other people in the house he is worried about meeting up with in the next round and wants to make sure he is 100%?
by who me on Sep 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good point.
It just seems like when you take the idea of Kimbo vs Roy Nelson, on paper, you expect a different type of dominance from Roy.
It’s definitely one of those fights that Kimbo definitely had a chance standing, but if you were told before the fight that over half of it would be on the ground, wouldn’t you expect a more definitive finish?
That’s the problem here, it’s one of expectations.
by Phildo on Sep 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Roy didn’t do himself any favors by not bloodying up Kimbo at the end (of course he did do Kimbo a favor by not doing that as Kimbo without stiches has a chance to get back in the tournament). Still at the end of the fight the only thing bad that can really be said is that Roy didn’t go for the kill and really hurt Kimbo to end it and for a TUF fight that is a pretty good showing.
by who me on Oct 1, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why should he try to escape that position if he isn’t going to get knocked out?
Perhaps so he could mount some offense of his own?
You’re right that maybe something else could have happened. But as it stands, Kimbo was helpless. It would seem weird to let the fight go just because one guy kinda sorta almost escaped the same position in the last round by using the fence, especially when they’re not close enough to the fence this time, or because any number of other things MIGHT happen. The ref’s job is to look at what IS happening.
by JRN on Sep 30, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why should he try to escape that position if he isn’t going to get knocked out?
Because it is impossible to win a fight by laying on your back and getting punched in the face. If you want to win, you have to escape.
by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine what BROCK LENSAR would do to Kimbo!?!?!
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by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or...
MY GOD THIS LESNAR
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what? kimbo never said he was aiming to take on brock lesnar. he joined a reality tv show to try and earn his way into the ufc.
by GregS123 on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to almost every single guy in the TUF house.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 112: BROCK LESNAR
Brock takes on every contestant in this season of TUF one on one, similar to the endurance fights in mortal kombat.
by kanodogg on Sep 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Brock in this setup
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by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I can’t imagine because its a fight I could care less to see !!!
by Shocbomb on Sep 30, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FEDOR FEDOR FEDOR FEDOR FEDOR FEDOR FEDOR FEDOR FEDOR
"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock
by BadB on Oct 1, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/retard mode off
"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock
by BadB on Oct 1, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idc what anyone says,
I saw a Kimbo that listened to his coaches, tried as hard as possible, and almost landed a knockout if it was kept standing…maybe. I just gotta respect the guy and his efforts even in losing to such an accomplished fighter like Roy. So good job Roy and Kimbo, please fight Wes Sims soon. : )
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 30, 2009 11:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Kimbo at least looked coachable and very willing to learn which is good for him. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, to a point
The thing is, he doesn’t look any different than he did in EXC. He was obviously extremely coachable in teh cage, and followed what was told to him. But beyond KO power, he has nothing to offer. I was expecting that he would have advanced his ground hame at least a little.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his overall game has advanced at least a little—he managed to resist the takedown in round one for a short time, even after Nelson had more or less committed to it.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true, I’ll give him that. I was impressed with his takedown defense.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and seeing him vs james thompson and then
against roy nelson is not a good comparison. if he was fighting james thompson and looked no better on the ground that would be one thing, but nelson is a black belt in bjj.
if nelson were to fight roger gracie you might suddenly be saying his ground skills are bad.
skill is a relative thing in a fight — you are only as good as your opponent lets you be.
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by Kid Nate on Oct 1, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing..
He’s improved a bit, but that was Roy Nelson, top 20 in the world… and If Dave Kaplan had several chances in the UFC, why not kimbo? At least Kimbo has some power and decent striking..
now if kimbo gets dominated on the ground like that all the time, and even by mediocre grapplers, then i say let him go. but I still believe the man should be given a chance..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheick Kongo?
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew McFredries?
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I am seriously advocating for the immediate removal of these guys, just pointing out that the UFC often keeps guys with limited skill sets if they are strong in certain aspects. (not to mention marketable…)
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Oct 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that point, but if you watch it again (which I will also do soon), he didn’t even try to stop the mounts. Nelson lifted a leg and moved it over. I have zero doubt that he would have mounted anyway, but Kimbo didn’t even try (or seemed not to know how).
Also, I’m sure he will have a career in the UFC regardless. As long as he brings in $$, he’ll have a career. :)
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was obviously extremely coachable in teh cage, and followed what was told to him
Which is a shame considering Tiki’s post-training advice was “forget everything we just showed you and knock his ass out”.
by Steve4192 on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo vs. Sean Gannon II set for TUF 10 Finale then.
The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.
by SSreporters on Oct 1, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol!!!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy won the fight, there is no denying that.
The question is: Did he look impressive while doing it?
I wanted him to win and I was not impressed. I agree he has good ground skills, but he also relies on his weight to aid him.
He was the better fighter tonight and that is not saying much.
by Lynchman on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i ws suprised he didnt get that kimura
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by ANance on Oct 1, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted him to win and I was not impressed. I agree he has good ground skills, but he also relies on his weight to aid him.
ummm and?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Myth... 34 pounds heavier.. seem familiar?
Much like a certain big guy with a tattoo on his chest..
:P
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean you finally admit that size makes a difference?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have always said size makes a difference..
my point has always been that Lesnar and now Roy, while they both know how to use their size, they don’t win on size alone..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy definitely don’t move like Lesnar.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things I learned from tonights TUF
1: Kimbo still has no ground game, and probably never will. Granted that Roy is top notch grappler, but Kimbo didn’t even try to defend the full- or side-mount.
2: Referees still seem to have a desireto help Kimbo out. The fight should have been stopped at the end of the 1st round.
3: Dana continues his Dana-esque ways. He insults Roy (the winner) and gives credit to Kimbo (the loser). And clearly, this has no basis on who will sell fights. When does Dana become an honorary Shaw?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When does Dana become an honorary Shaw?
When he starts calling Kimbo the uncrowned god of MMA…which won’t be anytime soon.
by Tonley on Oct 1, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aah
Is that the only difference between the two?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of them is also good at promoting mma.
by Phildo on Oct 1, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaw would have called this a monumental upset..
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 1, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to saying how great Kimbo is for fighting on… the fighting show?
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we get a picture of the first time Roy was on top of Kimbo b/c seriously his belly was smothering Kimbo – I didn’t realize his belly was that big until I seen it completly cover Kimbo
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by lovingmma25 on Oct 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Belly > Beard?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As posted above, it is not a beard. It is facial pubic har =-)
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by Well Read Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hair!!!!! Abysmal fail.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Jimmy Kimbel that told him it was the shiniest beard he had ever seen.
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by mythbuster on Oct 1, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say, this fight actually kind of changed my mind about Roy Nelson. He comes off as completely arrogant, but he actually kind of took it easy on Kimbo. He could have hurt the guy, but he knew there was no point. A younger fighter looking to make a name would probably have tried to put Kimbo out of commission for good.
by Cmad77 on Oct 1, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think it should've been stopped in the first
Roy had position, but those strikes were weak. Plus it was almost the end of the round.
by DumbOut on Oct 1, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got the feeling Kimbo was given lighter treatment.
While Kimbo wasn’t really taking damage in Rd 1, Herb did make it sound as if he’d be stopping it in the next couple of seconds. And then in the 2nd when he did stop it, he sounded really pissed off. “OK, fight’s done”
by Cunny on Oct 1, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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