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"Do Not Feed The Trolls" Featuring Dan Hardy

I'm sure as fans of Mixed Martial Arts most of us at one stage or another have felt the need to try and explain our love for the sport to those who seem determined to try and force their opinions (however ignorant they may be) upon others.

While no doubt we are all familiar with the insipid debates that scrawl their way through the infinity of the interweb, it was nonetheless still refreshing discover in an article here in  which it was one of the fighters themselves engaging in such a debate.

Dan Hardy:

“I try to avoid debates with people I dont know, but when I was sent a link to an article in The Independent [an English national newspaper, fairly high-brow, yet with dwindling sales] website, about our wonderful sport, I was quite annoyed by a comment left on the page. I must have been in a bad mood that day, because I decided to engage the guy.”

Ebbi581:

“This is a savage and barbaric act, not a sport. Chicken, dog, bear and all other animal fighting are criminalized but when it comes to human beings anything goes. It is a shame. This level of violence in the 21st century is stupid.”

Hardy:

“I’m sorry, I have to disagree. Your level of ignorance in the 21st century is stupid. This is a sanctioned and organized sport and, just because it isn’t to your taste, doesn’t mean it is wrong.

I’m sure there are a lot of things that you enjoy, that wouldn’t interest me, that doesn’t mean they should be illegal. I love this sport, not only as a fan, but as a participant. Nobody forced me to do it, I enjoy the competition and the opportunities the sport provides. Since 1995, there have been 123 deaths in Cheerleading, do we make it illegal? Cheerleading has also left 782 people paralyzed. Do you know how many deaths or serious injuries in Mixed Martial Arts? Zero. My name is Dan Hardy (one of the fighters discussed in the above article), and you are welcome to come to my gym in Nottingham and learn a little more about the sport and the athletes involved. I think, if you invested a little time in it, as opposed to casting an uneducated judgement, you might just learn something.”

Unfazed by the chance to argue with an actual participant in this 'barbaric act' Ebbi581 continued without trepidation:

“Sorry my friend, I condemn any kind of violence sport where people can seriously get hurt. I am against any kind of violence whether sanctioned or not. Sorry I have no time to invest in watching people beating each other. This is the 21st century and civilized people should not need to engage in active violence. Read your comment again. Is there truly anything to learn from two people locked in cage while beating each other where brain damage is a sure possibility ? Your argument about cheerleaders does not hold water since they do not intend to beat each other. The intention is ‘not’ to hurt one another but if the rate of injuries becomes ridiculous then it must be looked at with possible safety provisions, but it is entirely different to two people trained and psyched up to beat each other . If we can stop animal fighting we must stop human fighting. The human race must be mature enough to realize that violence is not the answer. Although I can understand your position since the fights are providing your bread and butter.

Finally there is nothing about human fighting to require educated judgment. Educated people do not engage in violent sports.”

Hardy again responds:

“No sir, educated people know that they are in no position to pass judgement on other peoples lifestyles. That means, unfortunately you have just revealed, not only your lack of open-mindedness, but also a lack of intelligence. I agree with your point about animal fighting, the difference there is, [sic] the animals being made to fight, dont have a choice. I, on the other hand, would partake in this sport, even if it wasnt paying my bills. What about all of the other sports where physical contact is a part of the game? I’m sure you are aware of the amount of injuries sustained in, say, American Football? rugby ? Ice hockey ? Do we ban these also? Maybe sanctioned sports that allow physical contact, are a cathartic activity for the millions upon millions of people that have a desire to express their animal nature?

We can’t all sit in our armchair and cast judgement on others, supressing our human nature and being content with golf. Having said that, using your words, there is nothing to be “learned” from golf either, so why not ban that also ? I am sure that you occasionally enjoy an alcoholic beverage, talk on a mobile phone, perhaps you visit a fast food restaurant from time to time. Do you give up all of these things because they can be dangerous? With your attitude, you might as well lock yourself in your house and stare through the window, contemplating the dangers of the outside world, condeming the public for taking such risks as to cross streets and drive cars.”

“I happen to enjoy testing myself against another, well-trained human being, in the controlled environment of my favourite sport. I understand the risks, as does my opponent. nobody is making you partake in the sport, or even watch it, so please don’t come on here and cast judgement upon me, and all of my fellow athletes, when you have no knowledge of the sport or the people involved. Nine people died from upturned lawnmowers last year, nobody died from competing in a mixed martial arts event. I don’t cut grass, so I am confident that there are a lot more people at risk than I am. Why don’t you go and bother them instead of littering this page with your foolish comments.”

Ebbi581 responds again:

“My friend. You are insulting me as lacking intelligence. I can equally be rude, very easily, but here we observe a very clear distinction between you and I. You compare golf with barbaric fighting ? And ban golf because its boring? When was the last time people got hurt or killed by playing golf ? Of course I expect that you are intelligent enough to be able to distinguish between unintentional accidents and intentional infliction of pain and wound upon other people in the name of openness of mind and intelligence ? You do not find one intelligent person going out there with the intent to hurt another human being, but contrary to your very shabby, desperate and well-worn, antique argument, you go inside a ring to inflict maximum damage to your opponent. This is where my argument starts, this is what I call barbarism and savagery at its best, put on visual display of [sic] a bunch of equally sick people who pay to see it ! Intelligent people do not and should not need to beat the hell out of each other even in a “controlled environment” in the name of sport! What on earth is ‘controlled environment’ while two people in a cage are killing each other? What is exactly controlled? Of course I do not expect you to agree or understand my position as intelligence is not and can not be your character´s strongest point. I can assure you that money is the incentive and there are people just like yourself who are making good money hence would put up a fight to portray this savagery as a sport. This is the 21st century and we should not and need barbarism and brutality in the society and certainly the people who promote it who clearly are financially benefiting from it.”

Hardy finally decides he should probably be concerning himself more with Mike Swick than Ebbi581 but parts on this note:

“I mean not to insult you sir, I merely observe. “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. Some of the most distinguished and respected philosophers in history, have been generals and soldiers. Mankind has a warlike nature, nothing will ever change that. be it, the spectators in the stands, baying for blood, or the gladiator in the arena, proving his worth. Mixed martial arts is a violent sport, I agree, but to call the athletes ‘uneducated’ is short-sightedness. The difference between you and I, sir, is that I embrace what I fear, in order to learn from it. You on the other hand, condemn it, knowing that you would never have the courage or dedication to see it through approach it head on.”

Miyamoto Musashi, for example, was a great japanese philosopher, and the author of one of the most influential books in the business world to date, The Book of the Five Rings. throughout his life, he killed, I believe, 64 men in duels, his first one being at the age of fifteen. I feel he summed you up perfectly when he wrote; “People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment…”

“Combat was the earliest form of sport, and has always been the most respected. no other sport offers you the opportunity to prove yourself, both physically and mentally. In the 21st century we have had the foresight to realise that mans warlike nature will always be. Call it barbaric, call it what you will, man will always need an opportunity to prove ones self through combat, in one form or another. The intelligent ones among us, realise that a controlled environment is the best place to do this. A controlled environment being, a governed sport, with many rules and regulations, as is mixed martial arts. I don’t see the benefit of wasting any more time, debating this with you, when you clearly can’t see reason.

“To use your words, I accept my ‘barbarism’, as you should accept your ignorance. I aim not to injure another human being, but to test myself, in order to learn about my capabilities, and grow as a person. I hope, in some small way, this debate will open your eyes a little, to a world that you clearly know nothing about. I also hope that, one day between now and the day that you die, that you find something that you fear, and attack it head on. Nothing has ever been achieved from condemning that which you fear. As another famous (and warlike) philosopher said: ‘Cowards die many times, before their actual deaths’. It was Julius Caesar.”

I apologise for what is an extremely lengthy transcription, but gained enough enjoyment from it that I wanted to share it in its entirity.

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Hardy has articulated...

everything all MMA fighters have always wanted to say to those ignorant people who condemn our sport.

by BakiHanma21 on Sep 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why did you have to post this?

I didn’t want to like Dan Hardy.

by MauiPimpin on Sep 30, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

LOL, agreed

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 30, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!

C’mon man, I have been firmly entrenched in my hate for Dan Hardy, but this changes things at least a little bit. JUST A LITTLE BIT! Still think he acted like a complete douchebag leading up to his fight with Marcus Davis though, that will never change.

by Razzel on Sep 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding, Hardy cames off amazingly well.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Sep 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed. dan hardy is now the official mma spokeperson.

by sadface on Sep 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

On that bandwagon, man.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Oct 1, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same. I earned a ton of respect from him from after his fight with the classless Marcus Davis.

by Dav11 on Oct 2, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. That just changed everything. Hardy’s grammar FTW.

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Sep 30, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He only made two grammatical errors in what reads like a failrly heated debate – one likely typed hurriedly. I’m impressed.

In Hardy’s second response to Ebbi581, he put two extraneous commas in one sentence, and he should have used the subjunctive mood when referring to the sport paying his bills.

If those are my only compaints then Hardy writes better than most teachers.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 30, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Hardy writing better than most teachers is contingent upon those quibbles being your only complaints?

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Sep 30, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only can he beat you with his fists but also his well planned and concise debating skills. Well done Hardy very nice too see

Also

“The human race must be mature enough to realize that violence is not the answer”

Sure is great viewing though!!

by Chrisapalooza on Sep 30, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dan Hardy just gained plenty more fans with this

I’ve always liked him and this just proves he’s worth respecting on some level. He obviously loves the sport with everything he has and thats good enough for me.

Articulation rules.

"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz

by FutureChamp on Sep 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hopefully Ebbi581 doesn’t get a hold of the tekken 6 promo when hardy says he “genuinely likes to hurt people.”

by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Sep 30, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, the UFC must be handing out talking points to all their fighters.

by MMAEruption on Sep 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, Hardy is a really smart guy.

He also made this.

by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reminds me of the Family Guy episode where the Brits take over the pub.
“If you refuse to go peaceably, we’ll have to use our superior linguistic skills to convince you to leave”

by MMAussie on Sep 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeh u have to for sure. I also added a ya know what I mean? at the end of every 2nd or 3rd sentence for authenticity.

by MMAussie on Sep 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

This is the first time I’ve actually respected Hardy, that was nice.

by Shaun32887 on Sep 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damnit… I think I just became a Dan Hardy fan.

Shit.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by AboveThisFire on Sep 30, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah me too sigh

by Riley_96 on Oct 2, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always liked the guy..

Never got why people gave him flack all the time.. I hope he beats Mr. I-deserve-a-title-shot-cause-i-beat-goulet

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...

I love Dan Hardy. Just hearing his interviews makes you like the guy.

I think people hate him because he has personality. He’s a funny, articulate, honest and cocky. I guess the mohawk rubs people the wrong way as well?

Either way, he’s way cool.

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by achengy on Oct 1, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Heel

I suppose people were just butt hurt about him playing a sort of heel against The Irish Hand Grenade.

Much props to mr. Hardy. Rec’d

Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

by DrunkinMidget187 on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, I see Davis as the heel.

If you want to be a Brit, move there.

If a Brit decided he was going to walk around flying an American flag, claiming it as his home, I think people would be pissed.

http://www.vancouversun.com/mma

by Ozzz on Oct 1, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan Hardy just gained a fan

by ThaSandman on Sep 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for this.

by Ahhhoki on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised that everyone's surprised...

Hardy’s a great fighter and always comes off like a very cool, intelligent and multi-talented guy. He’s an art student, smartass, and mixed martial artist with a mohawk, what’s not to like? Recognizing that Marcus Davis has the sense and emotional maturity of a five year old, and using it to his advantage, told me he’s a sharp guy, who understood the entertainment/marketing aspect of the sport. I never had anything against Marcus, but he came off like a humorless meathead by taking Hardy’s teasing so seriously. Anyway, great articulation of the pro-MMA argument…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 1, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

'Is there truly anything to learn from two people locked in cage'

Ya,if your one of the guys in there,like dan said you learn more about yourself facing what you fear head on…………….I did

Stephen Quadros: Where do you see yourself in three years.
Quinton Jackson: Let's see, I'm 22 right now. In three years I see myself being 25.

by RealIrish on Oct 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you can not fear your opponent

nor the loss, nor the pain, nor the win for that matter. you fight to find yourself in what you can do. C’mon man everyone knows this.

ufc fan boy all the way

by georgehouse on Oct 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just no the knob end who doesnt understand ’ violence ’

Stephen Quadros: Where do you see yourself in three years.
Quinton Jackson: Let's see, I'm 22 right now. In three years I see myself being 25.

by RealIrish on Oct 1, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the mo-hawk though

i just watched the hardy/markham fight today, then i read this…..ok, fine….hardy is now a likable fighter in my book, but that fuckin mohawk, god damn him and his stylish hair.

ufc fan boy all the way

by georgehouse on Oct 1, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been on Hardy’s nuts for a while, but this just re-assures me that there’s good reason in me liking the guy. I’d love to bump into him at a pub and have a few pints with the guy, shit, sounds like it’d be a hell of a conversation.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Oct 1, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i have always kinda like hardy
especially after he admitted it was just hype between him and marcus davis and nothing personal
on the other hand davis came off as a little bitch who would hold a grudge forever

by CC11 on Oct 1, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

^ This.

http://www.vancouversun.com/mma

by Ozzz on Oct 1, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody still feeling whiny about the Davis jokes needs to let it go. The guy took himself too seriously, and I wish there were more people in the sport who enjoy screwing with that mentality. And I still don’t understand how you could watch Davis go from being all smiley and gracious before they read the decision, to throwing a tantrum and refusing to shake hands with Hardy after he lost, and think Dan Hardy was the big prick of that situation.

Of course, I’m biased as all hell. I’ve been a huge fan since I heard him on Breen, and I listened to a lot of Cock Sparrer when I was in high school.

150% more Ultimate than the leading competitor.

by Dodectagon on Oct 1, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard Dan Hardy say Canada sucks.

by Zack Gobie on Oct 1, 2009 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whew, thanks man.

Keep firing Assholes!

The Leafs are back!

by Ubernoober on Oct 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daley and Hardy rise in furious trading, while the Michael Bisping index continues to fall…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 1, 2009 4:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Many thanks for posting this sir.

Very much appreciated.

Also good to see alot of the commenters are open to changing their opinions on a fighter based on an insight into their personality! Being able to change one’s opinion of something when new information comes to light is a very good characteristic to have, and one that alot of these anti-MMA people could well do with.

I remember being impressed with Dan after watching an interview after the Marcus Davis fight, when he was explaining his wind up strategy. He was explaining how he knew that the employment of this strategy would certainly result in bad blood post fight, how he had no dislike for Daviswhatsoever, and accepted the bad blood as a necessary cost in doing everything he could to win an important fight. He wasn’t gloating over the victory like you would have expected pre fight.

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Oct 1, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very articulate, mr. hardy

you now have a new fan. i don’t reccomend ‘troll feeding’ too often, however. Bad for the soul.

by pmac06340 on Oct 1, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dan whooped the paperboy good.

by Poindexter on Oct 1, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trolls are soo trollish.

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Oct 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the post, Maturday Night

rec’d

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Oct 1, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it actually goes to show how much safer the sport really is compared to others.

The fact that in a sport where physical contact and fighting is required, and “your intent is to cause maximum damage” there has been 0 deaths. Yet in a sport that is meant to merely entertain (cheerleading) there has been 123. That stat right there proves the safety record in MMA.

by mmastation on Oct 1, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well

to be fiar cheerleading has gone on for a lot longer.

Definitely cheerleading is dangerous though. They toss those girls up like 20 ft into the air.

Also – I definitely think mixed martial arts is safer than many forms of other sports. Because ‘safety’ is such a bid issue – people pay attention to it and everything that the sport requires to be ‘safe’ is made available.

How many ambulances do you think they have ‘stageside’ at cheerleading meets?

by rainmaker6 on Oct 2, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow that was really friggin awsome, I now love Dan Hardy!!!!

by brutmasta on Oct 1, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“‘In 2006, a study in the journal Pediatrics offered some perspective on the risk of injury through this competition sport. Using data from the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System (NEISS) of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, researchers at the Center for Injury Research and Policy at Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Columbus, Ohio, examined the number of cheerleading-related injuries reported by hospital emergency rooms among participants 5 to 18 years old from 1990 to 2002.
In 2005, 14-year-old Ashley Burns of Medford, Mass., died after her spleen ruptured following a stunt in which she was hurled into the air and landed improperly. And in 2006, 24-year-old Bethany Norwood, a cheerleader at Prairie View A&M in Texas, died from complications after a paralyzing fall during a 2004 practice session.What the researchers found was that the number of injuries more than doubled during the 13-year study period, from 10,900 reported injuries in 1990 to 22,900 reported in 2002.’”

Holy shit. 22,900 injuries from cheerleading.

by rainmaker6 on Oct 2, 2009 6:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is messed up...

Like sacrificing the maidens to bring the football team good fortune. Can’t they just dance and cheer on the ground?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 2, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give me an A give me a SNAP hamsting gone from over extended kick*

by Riley_96 on Oct 2, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very strange, just last week i was looking at this fight and thinking man i hope Swick shuts Hardy up, but now after this and how AKA have been acting I’m really hoping that Hardy knocks his ass out.

"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage

by TearsofaClown on Oct 4, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very possible

swick isnt exactly a worldbeater
he will wake up recalling his face’s close encounter with hardy’s knees

by CC11 on Oct 4, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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