TUF 10: The Ultimate Fighter Live Discussion (Episode 3)
by Mike Fagan on Sep 30, 2009 9:55 PM EDT
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I'll be brief in last week's recap. Rampage chose to match up his big white ex-NFL'er, Wes Shivers, against Rashad's number one pick James McSweeney. After two rounds of heavy breathing, slow movement, and Rashad screaming like a banshee, McSweeney got a bit of a gift decision and advanced into round two.
But no one cares about that. Roy vs. Kimbo. Wow.
It's no stretch to say that this is the biggest fight in the history of the show. Past seasons had fights that look good in retrospect, but nothing can match the hype of this one.
Dana White's projecting six million viewers for this one. Six million! On cable!
On paper, it seems completely insane to expect anything other than a dominating Roy Nelson victory. Even some of the hype interviews would lend one to think Nelson takes this, though it sounds like Kimbo puts on a good showing.
With that in mind, I'm most interested in the fallout assuming Kimbo takes the fall here. Do fans lose interest? Does the editing team try to keep him in focus? Will he come back as an injury replacement?
All things said, if you watch one episode of the Ultimate Fighter this season, make it this one.
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KIMBO SLICE!
because tapping out is for bitches!
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
Most likely
Kimbo will lose, the rest of the seasons ratings will not be as high but Kimbo will be signed to a UFC contract bigger than the winner and after losing 3 fights in the UFC he will be dropped and we will never hear about Kimbo again.
Dana did this for 2 reasons ratings and money. Now if Kimbo could find a way to win and win in the UFC it will make Dana even happier but I dont see it.
I will say this even though I see Nelson winning tonight I still dont see him winning the show. He is not as good as everyone thinks. Not only loses to Rothwell and Arlovski but he also lost to Monson who just got owned by Rizzo.
He is not as good as everyone thinks. Not only loses to Rothwell and Arlovski but he also lost to Monson who just got owned by Rizzo.
Is there somebody as good as those guys on the show?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
If you actually saw the Monson fight, Roy won, but Cecil Peoples was the only one scoring it.
His score was 127-6 for Cobra Commander.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Sep 30, 2009 10:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually, if you read the notes in the margin, it was initially Eleventeen-Fish.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He had Arlovski in N/S when he got stood up. He also beat Monson. Fightfinder is not the magical rankings god.
by Swordslasher on Sep 30, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Monson/Nelson was a CLOSE decision, not to mention Monson's been fighting like ever month or two,
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Either way, It shouldn’t be used to discredit Nelson.
by Swordslasher on Sep 30, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people also had him
winning over Rothwell too.
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My guess is that Kimbo puts on a good show but Nelson ultimately wins. (No surprise yet.) Other predictions…
1) Dana White praises Kimbo as being a real fighter after all.
2) Kimbo comes back as an injury replacement.
3) TUF ads tease that Kimbo makes that return to keep viewers tuned in.
4) Might go so far as to tease Kimbo as coming back from injury possibly for redemption against Nelson, maybe hinting at a rematch in the finale.
From all the interviews I’ve seen, it seems like a very good guess that Nelson wins after Kimbo puts on a good show, so neither really loses in some sense. But for this to really matter, Kimbo can’t really be done yet. Either he wins (but why would Nelson do the press tour?), or he’s coming back later since he answered Dana in the affirmative after being asked, “Do you want to be a fucking fighter?”
Billy, nnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a big baseball fan (never watch it with the exceptions of movies :P)
But would Babe Ruth do well in today’s baseball game? Cause if the answer might be no, his comparison is a fail. If yes I fail
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
Someone get kicked off for snitching and Kimbo comes back? I bet or Roy comes back,
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 30, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
is that really the title of the episode?
Wes Sims? After he subs roy nelson with an inverted triangle en route to the finals?
but we shouldn’t let facts get in a way of a good story.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is gonna re watch the first two episodes with me
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 30, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
Ah, very nice! I googled the blogs last week and that was all that came up. Much obliged.
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Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Sep 30, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rashad might be better
“GET UP! YOU GOTTA GO! YOU GOTTA GO NOW!!! DON’T WAIT!!! DON’T WAIT!!!! DON’T WAIT!!!!
When his voice starts cracking, you know you’ve gotta get up
by Shaun32887 on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm here.
Tim fighting Overeem yet? ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
yeah that’s the big suprise fight tonight, the pull kimbo nelson and show sylvia vs overeem
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
I didn’t put it there, but I’m a huuuge mark for retro posters.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome. I love the Mad Men theme for the same reason.
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I tried getting into that show, but once I looked past the 1960s window-dressing, it was just another soap opera. I was quite disappointed with all I’d heard.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Whaaaa? I’m not sure how it’s possible not to like this show. I certainly wouldn’t call it a soap opera.
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I don't like it, but I do enjoy the sesame street version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgvKCfZqxrQ&feature=player_embedded
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
It’s like the basic plot elements of a melodrama – Secret Identity! Scandalous Affairs! Bastard Children! Etc, etc. It’s fluff TV, & I prefer something meatier. Breaking Bad, now that’s awesome.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Which episodes did you watch exactly? Fluff TV is just blowing my mind.
BB is great as well.
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I watched the first one, and it looked like a time machine. I read up more & more on it, and didn’t see anything remarkable about it beyond the social environment of the 1960s. Why don’t you consider it fluff?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just an incredibly deep show. Not that this is a huge point, but 4 of the 5 nominations for best writing in a drama series were Mad Men. It just touches on so many issues of the 60’s and today without being obvious or pretentious or judgmental about it.
Plus the creator was one of the writers for the Sopranos.
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I like that it deals with the 1960s (though I’ve heard it’s lacking in it’s depiction of race, but I can’t intelligently comment on that) – I was floored in the pilot when the gynecologist lit a cigarette while “under the hood”, so to speak. I just don’t find any of the characters interesting (except for Christina Hendricks, but for a different reason…yummy…).
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm breathlessly awaiting last weeks fight again
I can’t tell you how relieved I am to see that it is being replayed.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
When’s it start? There’s just two guys breathlessly rolling around right now.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
greg jacksons "special" jiu jitsu
:(
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Once you know a fight is going to be terrible, such as rewatching last week's bout again--
It almost takes on a magical quality.
I do hope none of those 6 million viewers decided to tune in early though, because the sheer majesty of the dance going on right now might be too much to handle cold.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Nothing gets me pumped to watching TUF like two dudes with their hands on their knees.
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Roy Nelson ate their gas tanks? I say no.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy looks a lot more conditioned than he looks
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What....
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Made sense to me.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
was just the way i read it at first
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and according to him,
less hungry than he looks.. He said he hardly ate in the house cause he was watching his weight..
the other guys said he ate everything.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It was an unfunny attempt at being unfunny.
Roy is my co-pilot.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I love it. Especially since it’s what we’re all thinking.
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i thought there should've been a third round here..
although i don’t think Wes would’ve wanted that.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn’t think McSweeney won the fight up to this point. Woulda been an interesting third period.
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Mazzagatti’s rambling at the end is a nice little gem.
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I simply can't get enough...
of Rashad screaming “Don’t WAIT!” with his voice cracking. Because I’ve totally done that as a HS wrestling coach.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
But this time--James McSweeney backs up Rashad!
…for about 90 seconds…
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Actually a fairly interesting look at the guy.
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But will Kimbo ever be at rest?
More deep thoughts, with Kimbo Handy.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Sep 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
damn
I’m actually excited, feels like a high profile fight. the hype caught up to me
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
Words of wisdom Kimbo.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Uh, Kimbo?
You walk around at 230 lbs. Why the hell are you wearing a sweatshirt in Vegas for a AM run?
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
When was this taped?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 30, 2009 10:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
June or so, wasn't it?
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Finally
A little build up for Big Country.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Kimbo slice is so likeable
The UFC could make him 10 times bigger than he already is.
Assuming he can actually win fights in the octagon….
Ouch. Burnnnnn.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Get in there Tiki!
Bid your time… but always remember, when it comes it comes HAAAAARD
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Damn......
That was harsh…
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Next on Spike
Guys throwing shit into a fire to see if it explodes. New episodes Thursday at 10!
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
You dissing rugby…?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Just Spike’s attempts to complete corner the “Male 25-45 with disposable income” demo. I’m guessing about 5 women in America watch their programming at this point.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
That’s cool. Rugby needs more love in the US.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
With Rugby, Spike has literally doubled the number of things they air that I’d be interested in watching, and I’m absolutely in their key demographic—they need to go back to well and put on some AFL or something.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
I'm telling "Throwing Sh!t in Fires"
is a ratings hit waiting to happen.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Next on SPIKE: Histories greatest fires!!
Dresden vs. Centralia!! Which fire burns supreme!!! MIKE ROWE
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
"destroyed in seconds" anyone?
they add explosions
We should program Spike2
when they decide to expand
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
You couldn’t find a Yakov picture? Poor guy only had one joke, at least give him credit for it.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
haha
I only remember this from the Simpsons :P
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
RUGBY Mother Fuckers!!!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
After watching McSweeney fight, I’m not sure why he’s talking smack. Rampage, who I am no fan of, could beat him with one arm tied behind is back while eating a cupcake.
I specializes in grammar fail.
Fighter Bashing is all TUF leaves us with.
He’d take bites while slipping shitty strikes, right? Not while actually throwing punches with the one hand? Or would he wait 120 seconds for McSwiggins to gas and then nibble it leisurely while insulting him?
by asa on Oct 1, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do they use such decorated mouthpieces? Isn’t a basic Wal-Mart mouthpiece sufficient (& cheaper)?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
If you are fighting professionally you really should spend the 100-150 dollars to get a fitted mouthpiece by a dentist. Boil and bite mouthpieces work okay but they can be hard to shape for some people’s mouth and some fighters trim them too much and they lose their structual integrity. A dentist mouthpiece will fit tight, be more comfortable, and you know that it is fit to work properly.
by Dropkick434 on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah – that makes sense. What about all the customized designs? I’ve heard those cost +$1K.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if his feet get wet when he takes a shower?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 30, 2009 10:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wes Shivers needs subtitles?
Geez, his Texas accent ain’t that bad…
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Thanks for the correction
Still, it’s not that bad.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Yeah, no ref’s going to stop the fight because you’re lightly tapping him on the cheek, Roy.
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perhaps there showing that
leading towards a questionable stoppage
>_> im clutching at anything!
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
im on edge >_>
lemme alone
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Miragliotta might
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SAW
I guess jigsaw ain’t dead… this franchise is getting old quick.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
I actually liked up to SAW IV, but the fifth one was really bad. now 6? Yeah, I think I’m done with it :P
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
I actually saw Saw IV in the theater
And I knew the series was done when I realized I was FOUR-FLASHBACKS DEEP into this movie. Hell, other characters had flashbacks within yet another characters flashback – not even the same person.
Remember the time we remembered Edith remembering the time John remembered the time he was depressed about remembering something sad?
PS – If anyone cares, don’t ever go see a gore movie in the theater in the 21st century. Wait for the DVD.
by asa on Oct 1, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Marcus Jones is a gardener
He’s my new pick to win the whole thing now!!
I really hope he does well – he’s likable.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Every shot of Marcus Jones seems off because of his height
He’s like a Batman villain, staring down at the camera
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Spin Drill FTW!
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Wes Sims is like a ticking timebomb
Something is bound to happen eventually
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Marcus Jones
sounds like a middle school kid. In a good way. Love him begging to fight after he gets called out about his knee.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
DnD, Flowers, Comics, Football and MMA… hmmmm.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Given how much press he got, I think he does just fine.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i have the same feeling too.
he’s seems like a good guy, really big and seems to have a good ground game.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you're comments are late? or stream is late? haha.
(posted too quickly.)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"i aint giving my gardening tips to nobody."
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
A bird that flys high
eventually got to come down to get water.
I don’t know what the hell that means, but it sounds cool.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
The UFC needs to hire Marcus Jones to narrate or do Post Fight Interviews...Something
Yep, I have Twitter too. Follow me @deowade
I concur.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson = Well Rounded
Especially in profile…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
People say that I’m out of shape. Round is a shape.
"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock
The body of a god...Buddha
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
As Orioles fans used to say about Ramon Hernandez...
He’s in the best shape of his life – Oval!
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Will Myth discredit a win by Roy then? :P
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Tooth hurty? I think so.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Kimbo saying :
I want to know Jiu Jitsu(sp?), I can’t even spell Jiu Jitsu (neither can I. lol)
you know what's been haunting me all day?
the notion that they almost had Satoshi Ishii on this series. The whole time they were talking him I was thinking what the hell are they going to do with a 0-0 Olympian….duh — put him on TUF…..oh well.
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Ishii would have been awesome
Would have lost, though
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
He might could have beaten McSweeney or Abe
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
yeah i think so too,
but I don’t think it would be good for him after he gets to the UFC..
He might be too raw for the veteran Heavies.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
they can get him after his contract anyway.
he seems to like the UFC but Lyoto and others advised him to take a couple of fights before stepping in the UFC, and it might be good for him in the long run.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
this fight is not going the distance givin the time left on the show…
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
Plenty of time for 2 5-minute rounds
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Is Rampage even aware that there are other people on his team?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Sure he is!
Tiki, Zach… that big guy… did we get tiddies? No? Well… Kimbo!
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
self high 5
D:
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Last time I saw DDP was at Slamboree ’98, winning a Bowery Death Match against Raven.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now reading this cracked me up.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
nitro girls fueled many a couch rubbing in my younger days
……….im sorry for typing that
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Mae Young flashed the Madison Square Garden?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
D:
im having trouble getting the image of her “giving birth” to a WHITE hand
that was apparently fathered by mark henry…lol
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Oct 1, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That he stole from DDP
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
"Men Who Stare at Goats" - That looks awesome...
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
I saw a documentary on these guys a few years ago. CRAZY story, wish I could remember the title…
by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OH MAN. Thank you. I need to watch all those again.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
His nickname is already "Big Country"
How much better can it get?
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
roy atlas nelson
lul
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Bigger Country?
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
these commercials...
are pissing me off.
And we’re past the point where the fight could be 3 full rounds. Bummer.
Being at work and watching TUF then clocking out as soon as it’s over= PERFECT TIMING.
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Hate wine. But you win, you like it. BEER!!!!
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by poundnground on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
z
Herb Dean’s like, "i thought this was TUF fight, what the hell, this should be
HERB DEAN!
Brought out the big guns…
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Nice defense by Kimbo
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
me too.
and kimbo’s listening to his corner.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Go for the trip, Kimbo
Launch his fat ass!
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Not liking this position if you're Kimbo
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Belly on Belly!!!
HAHAHA
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
That's a lot of beef to move....
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Round 1 to Big Country, no doubt
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Somebody has to say it.,...
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
It's all good in da hood...
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
points are points. he made the ref look hard.
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yeah, that was
the “keep hitting him” that roy was talking about.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, herb just stares at him
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by MyFistYourFace on Sep 30, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Ohhhhh
Just like the Thompson fight. Kimbo always gets those seconds. Nelson was doing nothing with those punches though.
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Good Herb didn’t stop it – no damage being done.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
i didnt hear no counting either lol
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think
damage was one of the criteria, Kimbo wasn’t intelligently defending himself, fights are stopped all the time based on that alone
Chris Leben telling Bisping to hit him & then dropping his hands wasn’t intelligent defense, but that wasn’t stopped, either. I think it just goes to good judgment (whatever that means) – Kimbo not taking damage with less than a minute left is good to go by me.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
its not as if every heavyweight has the same stomach mass as your pregnant wife
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by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson is a top 20 heavyweight in the world
he’s several steps beyond what we’ve seen from the rest of the cast.
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#21, I thought...
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
troof indeed
but shape of offence surely matters as much as weight/skill
i mean if your fighting a 7 foot guy
and he’s 6 foot of legs
that’d be hard
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
UH HUH.
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by poundnground on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure was.
It was the reverse of the Slice/Thompson fight. That one wasn’t stopped either.
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by The Pope of Chilitown on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a lot of punches. Seemed like Kimbo wasn’t intelligently defending himself for what, 30 seconds?
He wasn’t getting hit very hard though.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really need to intelligently defend yourself when you aren’t in danger of getting finished though? I mean, if somebody got absolutely locked into a spladle but nothing else happened, that shouldn’t end a fight either.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
I've seen spladles that did more damage than those punches
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 30, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thinks thats being generous.
10-8 my two cents
Eh, just getting a great position does not make a 10-8 round.
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true
but the way Nelson finished that round does
I think Roy’s belly was actually protecting Kimbo.
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by MyFistYourFace on Sep 30, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Kimbo looks ripe for another takedown.
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by MyFistYourFace on Sep 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
well...
with the amount of time left in the show, Roy wins by decision/stoppage or Kimbo by stoppage. Good money has to be on the former, but let’s see!
"Get up!"
It’s my new favorite corner call! (not quite as good historically as “DO SOMETHIN KEV” though)
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
wtf
He’s working an armlock!
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
stream is behind
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t matter—that’s exactly why you can’t jump on refs to stand up fighters too quickly.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
yea but he'd been layin on him for like ..a minute doing nothing but breathe heavy
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And, you know, work a submission and some punches in a dominant position.
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lol he literally wasn't doing anything when i said it
you do realise when you post something it doesnt count for the whole round
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by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Can roy
legally choke someone out with his stomach?
getting beat on the ground by Roy Nelson is nothing to be ashamed of
the guy is one of the best grapplers in the HW division in the world.
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Herb was starting to feel guilty.
Kimbo still can’t wrestle. The UFC is going to have to pick and choose his opponents when he goes to PPV.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Sep 30, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Just like Lesnar-Mir 2
"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock
I have officially lost any interest in TUF.
Even if Kimbo were to come back to replace an injured fighter, I won’t watch. :(
Not good for Kimbo...
….although it looks like Kimbo gets another shot next week.
Hope Marcus is okay…
"Besides that, I'm just ready to get home and get something to eat"
Kimbo will probably get a bigger contract than Nelson after the show, unfortunately.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
yes.
Not as long as most around here, though. First PPV I bought was A. Silva / Henderson.
What did you find particularly exciting about that fight? I don’t mean that I just wanted to see a lot of standup damage or anything, but a stoppage because one guy is much better than the other at the ground game, without a submission or actually doing much damage, is kind of boring.
Thing is though, you asked if you were foolish for getting excited about the fight. I wouldn’t go so far as to call one stupid (I too was excited for this fight), but the fact is that the fight played out exactly as one might have expected, given the competitors respective strengths and levels of experience. Nelson wasn’t particularly active on the ground, but he did enough to earn a round 2 stoppage. Hence the question regarding your knowledge of the sport is relevant, if only to place your surprise at the fight into some perspective.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
fair enough.
I expected Roy to win, and I expected it would probably be on the ground. I didn’t expect it to be while inflicting almost no damage and without a submission.
I can’t knock Roy though. He not only won, but chose exactly how he was going to win, and did something that minimized the damage he took. He’s looking to win the show, not just one fight.
the amount of damage might have been minimal
but the position was overwhelmingly dominant.
It’s very similar to the position Matt Hughes used to finish B.J. Penn and had the camera angle been directly above Kimbo’s face while he was helplessly eating punches you might have a different view of how much damage was being inflicted.
I found the fight fairly dramatic as Kimbo landed some shots and even though he never had Roy in real trouble on the feet it was clear he had the edge standing. Kimbo’s ground game is just not anywhere near what it needs to be to grapple with someone like Nelson.
For comparison’s sake look at the fight from the first episode between Jon and Abe — Jon is an excellent wrestler but not that polished a grappler. He got takedowns but was then trapped in guard and had to batter Abe for the full two rounds to get a decision.
Nelson on the other hand immediately got dominant position (mount) and quickly improved to a completely dominating position — the crucifix (note also that Nelson predicted he would use that position before the fight) — where he could batter a completely helpless Slice.
It’s called technique and Nelson has it.
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I don’t disagree, but it is worth noting that in two Crucifix positions, he left not a signle mark on Kimbo.
He won and deserves credit, but it was hardly an impressive win. I am not a Kimbo fan by any means, but I did not see anything from Roy that was too impressive.
Take away the weight advantage and Kimbo would have gotten back to his feet in the first round.
Take away the grappling advantage and Nelson is totally screwed!!
Roy did exactly what he had to do to win and nothing more. It wasn’t exactly thrilling, but what do you want—he got a round 2 stoppage, and was on his way to winning an easy 2 round decision.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
all right, fair enough.
Boring isn’t a good description of the fight. I guess what I really meant was that I had hoped Kimbo wouldn’t have been so dominated on the ground.
But as I noted on the post-fight thread, I thought it more likely that the conversation about the “intelligent defense” rule was probably edited to make it look like it was before the fight.
Re: "Intelligent Defense"
Whenever that conversation actually took place, Jordan Breen raises an interesting point (as part of his ongoing quest against such a standard)
Also, when you see fighters gameplanning to exploit it, it proves “intelligent defense” alone is not an acceptable standard of defeat.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
I was a bit shocked as well
Dana really seemed to step into Gary Shaw territory for a second there.
Roy put on a solid performance…nothing to be ashamed of there, but Dana was genuinely pissed about it.
by Scott Haber on Sep 30, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ROFL that was great.
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
dw playing it out
Oh yeah, those weren’t big punches, I’ll let my daughter pin me down and hit me with those punches hahaha
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
already teasing a kimbo comeback!!!
i am shocked
Kimbo barely beat James Thompson. Who is the UFC going to feed to him? Kalib Starnes. O wait, we’re not in Japan. I have no idea who he can beat in the UFC.
I suddenly recall why I usually just tape the show and FF to the fights.
This show is some Real World-type lame shit.
BOOSH
HAHA
Kimbo comeback, you know that was coming…
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
Dan is full of it. Woah a Kimbo comeback. So fucking lame. Everything Dana sais they wont do, uhh they do it!
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Dan and Dana, lol
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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Your confused as to why Dana still has Kimbos nuts in his mouth when he gets absolutely schooled by Nelson. He even goes as far as to diminish his win. W! T! F! Was that?
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
setting the stage for kimbo to come back later in the show if necessary, which is important for the show to get ratings, which is Dana’s job.
I’m confused why people like you keep getting upset about Dana doing his job.
Wheres all the TUF love from before? If anything Dana should make an example of him and expose him. Even MORE people will watch when they hear Kimbo wants to prove himself to everyone. Its just hypocritical.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand. First you say that Dana should make an example of Kimbo and expose him and then you say More people will watch ’cause Kimbo wants to prove himself.
Do you want Kimbo to fail or no? Curious…
I actually want him to do good, but lets face it. It’s not happening. Kimbo will NEVER have a title in the UFC. He will never learn the ground game. Look at Houston Alexander, he’s been at it way longer than Kimbo and nothing.
Bottom line is that Dana is just as bad as other promoters out there and yeah, I would like him to hold the best MMA org in the world to a higher standard. You know, like he is always saying he does…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Winning a title is not the sole measure of success in the the realm of sports—especially not in fight sports, where most guys are worlds away from a title for their entire career and everybody knows it. If an athlete enjoys it enough to keep doing it and/or makes enough money at it to make it worthwhile, then they will probably continue, whether or not they are in title contention.
Promoters have their own matrix of incentives, which hardly need to be spelled out yet again.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
If dana starts headlining Kimbo on PPVs as the “best boxer in MMA and possibly boxing” then maybe your argument holds up. But this is a TV show. I guarentee Kimbo will be on some PPVs and will be promoted, but he won’t be an official main event and he wont be billed as something he is not. EliteXC made him out to be something he was not and I do not believe Dana is doing the same thing.
by Dropkick434 on Sep 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the tough love for Kimbo? all the shit talking from when he signed with elite, um, that went out the window when Kimbo joined his team. I don’t get what’s so hard for you to understand. yes, it’s hypocritical, but that’s what you have to be when you are a fight promoter. You need to stop getting so upset about it.
Yes I know its his job so that makes it right. Right? Nevermind.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It is what it is.
Fight promoters are hypocrites, that’s it. You can’t expect them to tell the truth all the time because they would be doing a shitty job.
Do you really think Fedor won’t go back on his “dana treats the fighters like shit” comments the second he gets in the UFC?
It’s how the business works, it’s a waste of your energy to get so upset about it, because it’s always going to happen.
It makes it predictible, rational and silly to rail against.
On the flip-side, it also makes it fair game for tons of jokes and schadenfreude.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
zZzZzZzZ
… huh … is the fight over? Did I miss it? /sarcasm
Congrats, Roy. You are so enormous that your gut can pin people. I suppose that’s a strategy but it’s never one that’s going to make you a popular fighter.
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Easy now, you can only fighter bash Tim Sylvia on this site….everyone else is off limits
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I think if you do get a response, it will not be the response you wanted.
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Thats fine. its only hurts the community not me…he can ban me if he wants…i just want an answer….
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I think we'll be seeing a lot less of you in the future...
Not that I disagree with your point, but the Powers-That-Be tend not to like doing this in public…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that's fine by me...
I dont mind the no fighter bashing policy at all…but it has to be across the board.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
he was unimpressive
and full of himself….
its kinda sad that it was hyped so much
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that's not really fighter bashing
he did pin him down with the belly :P
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
lol the other crucifix victim
i coulda sworm someone said her earlier a better skilled fighter could’ve attempted to get out of it
and attempt a sub..
gsp penn > kimbo/roy
cept more gut
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still a fan
He dominated Kimbo and got a round 2 ref stoppage.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Why you trying to keep fat people down? What’s up with that? Can’t they have a piece, or three, of the pie, too?
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
gravity kept his ass down
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I did enjoy that the first thing on Roy's mind was
getting fed again. He’s one step away from being one of those people that can’t extricate themselves from their sofa.
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Roy will eat his way to the UFC HW championship and rub his belly in your face after every victory.
The man has skills.
Most everyone applauded Brock for his victory over Mir, which was almost the exact same thing. Granted, the punches were a lot harder coming from Brock, but oh well.
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that
this
Granted, the punches were a lot harder coming from Brock
is an important distinction, right?
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Right, but lay on fighter X and punch him was essentially the same strategy employed.
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than the power? What? Brock used a half-nelson type hold to immobilize Mir and Roy used a crucifix on Kimbo. They both punched/slapped their way to victory.
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is fun, lets keep going. Matt Hughes was on top of Royce Gracie and punching him, so that fight was just like this one too.
Keith Hackney punch-slapped Joe Son a bunch of times!!
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Sir, there were no punches in that fight.
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Just bitch slaps…
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Oct 1, 2009 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
easy now
UFC HW championship? I find that unlikely.
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
UFC
stands for Ultimate feeding championship, at least I think thats what he meant
UFC HW championship
nah, that sounds like a title fight to me…
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
sorry
I’m tired, it was a sad attempt at a joke.
yeah me too
and my failure to understand your joke :P it’s past midnight here, I stayed up to see this and now I’m on my way out!
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
I didn’t mean it literally. Thought it was clear in the context of “eating his way to the championship” and “rubbing his belly in your face”.
Go back to the circus, bearded lady!
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh ease up. It was a a bit of hyperbole to go along with my defense of his eating.
Literal internets out to get me again.
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
harder
is the key word.
Roy has skills, but to have two dominant positions and do NO damage…not good.
He did exactly what he had to do to win the fight. He has a very proven track record and his career has been made, so far, on beating lower and mid tier HW’s and putting on good fights against top tier ones. Can’t blame the guy for cruising out a weird, 2-round reality show fight against a relative novice.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
I highly doubt Kimbo would have gotten out, but that seemed like a BS stoppage. He was tapping his head and counting, no damage was being done. I learned Kimbo still doesn’t have a ground game and to me Roy was underwhelming.
yeah
but Kimbo wasn’t trying to do anything to get out either. it was either let Roy hit him until the end of the round with those weak punches or stand the fight. And you can’t stand the fight while Roy is hitting him (even with weak punches).
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
I don’t know if that’s really fair though. I mean, there are probably a lot of fighters that would be screwed with Nelson on top of them.
I’m not saying Kimbo will submit anyone else, but saying he has no ground game would be like saying someone can’t wrestle because Brock outwrestled them.
You rarely see someone in the UFC get caught in the crucifix, Roy had no resistance in passing guard and getting into that position.
Let's List 'Em!
Hughes/Penn 2…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
actually....
Spladle! (I think)
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
I can't believe I had time to find the .gif before anybody else
Goodridge/Herrera. Elbowned.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Inability to intelligently defend oneself
is the main criteria for a referee stoppage, not the amount of damage that has accrued.
by Scott Haber on Sep 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to be hurt to not be able to intelligently defend yourself. Kimbo’s inability to defend himself had more to do with positioning, he still had all his wits. Like I said Kimbo wasn’t going to get out of the crucifix the fight was all but over over, but pinning someone to the ground shouldn’t lead to a stoppage, this isn’t wrestling.
I forget who Joe Stevenson was fighting, but in one of his fights someone got him in a an omoplata and they just sat there for the last minute of the round. Joe couldn’t punch the guy because he couldn’t reach him (he wasn’t getting hit) but he wasn’t “intelligently defending himself” because he wasn’t doing anything to get out of the hold, so the fight shouldn’t have been stopped.
The ref is supposed to stop the fight to prevent the guy from actually getting knocked out, if you aren’t getting hurt, you don’t need to intelligently defend yourself.
It was Tibau
and you could also argue that Stevenson was intelligently defending himself, because he knew the omoplata wasn’t even close to tapping him, and he figured he could just sit there until Tibau gave it up.
by Scott Haber on Sep 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Roy should be a little embarrassed he wasn’t able to submit a relative neophyte. But otherwise, can he be blamed for implementing a basically foolproof strategy? It’s not his fault Kimbo couldn’t do anything to stop him. A more experienced fighter might have tried an escape that would have created an opening for a submission. Hell, I don’t know. But Roy had to know it would be a humiliating loss. So he played it safe. I’m cool with that.
ins’t this supposed to be a few dozens comments above?
SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!
Well
Kimbo sure as shit needs to keep working his ground game, but that stoppage left me feeling the same way I did in the Florian/Lauzon fight – wasn’t that also stopped by Herb Dean?
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so I know fighter bashing isn't allowed
how about ref bashing?
Perfectly fine. Just keep your criticisms to their job performance and not, like, Josh Rosenthal’s tattoos.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll keep it civil
I just want to know why did herb not stop the fight at the end of the first, if he was so willing to stop the fight under the exact same conditions in the second?
In his defense
…which pains me to say, there was a long time left in the fight in the second and not much in the first.
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both good points
@ capital L and jemaleddin
However
In a platonic-ideal of “when to stop a fight” sense, I am quite sympathetic to the idea that it was an early stoppage.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
true
I know there was little to no damage, but seriously how long can someone not “defend” themselves and not have the ref stop the fight, Kimbo was going no where and was doing absolutely nothing to improve.
But let’s say he wasn’t hitting him – how long would you have to immobilize somebody to get a stoppage. (And if he wasn’t hurting him, he might as well have not been hitting him,)
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(And if he wasn’t hurting him, he might as well have not been hitting him,)
Not exactly true—he threw enough to prevent the ref from standing them up. Indeed, he convinced the ref to stop the fight.
Let’s say a guy is clearly winning the stand-up but isn’t throwing the kinds of shots that will end a fight—should the ref warn him for stalling?
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Man, I don't see nearly enough stallings
I would have DQ’d both guys in last week’s fight. Standing around hands on knees while the other guy wanders around catching his breath? No contest that shit.
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That doesn’t exactly address the situation I posited above however. If a guy is slapping his opponent around, controlling the ring, and not taking any damage, it would be bad reffing to warn him—and he’d likely be on his way to a clear decision victory. Similarly, if a guy has a completely dominating position and his opponent is simply trapped, I don’t think that guy really has to do much for a ref to consider him active. It might not end the fight, and it might not win him many fans—perhaps most critically it will not please his bosses, especially in the UFC—but it seems valid enough for me.
It’s preferable that fighters look to end fights in addition to merely winning them, but I tend to give a lot of leeway, particularly when a guy thoroughly stymies his opponent. As Antonio McKee put it: “tf you can’t stop what I do than it’s kind of hard for me to stop doing it.”
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Wow what a lame fight. Although of the three losers from team Jackson he was the best loser so no even if he his name wasn’t kimbo slice he would be comin back when that other dude gets hurt next week.
by billthemarine on Sep 30, 2009 11:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
good point.
not on the lame part, but Kimbo still looking better than the other two guys.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think half those pitty pat gnp shots were hitting Roys belly.Props to him for doing just what he said.But why not put some nuts into those punches.
like Vince
slap chop “you’ll love my nuts” nuts?
Those 1 or 2 things between your legs that help you decide to punch like a man or woman.:)
by E.Nightmare on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
I’m all misses tonight in the joke department
Its gotta be me im not on here enough to catch on to all the jokes.
by E.Nightmare on Sep 30, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo = More BE Hits = More Bread!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone loves sandwhiches
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I like mine with the bread on the inside.
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not surprised one bit. People expecting more are kinda clueless. Well roy could have submitted kimbo, I wasn’t expecting a crusifix, but that’s it. The momement roy felt the heat on the feets he took it one the ground.
And why is dana bitching?
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Dana is bitching to help justify bringing Kimbo back.
More Kimbo = More ratings
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want to bring Kimbo back with maximum oomph, you’d have to downplay the significance of the loss.
Kimbo is going to get absolutely creamed by any mainstream sports media that bothers to comment on it tomorrow, however, as will Nelson, the UFC, and MMA in general.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Because Dana is just as bad as “those fucking scumbags” from EXC.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
the whole milking of kimbo’s return is kinda lame.. but.. Elite? i wouldn’t go that far. haha. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh that was just an example. Kimbo seems liek a alright dude but this isnt about cool down to earth guys. It would have been nice for Dana to have kept his word and only have real MMA fighter in UFC.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dangit!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is worse than the Shaw family. Nobody.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it had more to do with the way Roy was talking after
He only beat Kimbo. What’s with all the King talk?
The average viewer must hate nelson right now. Beating kimbo because your fat (probably all they understood) and asking for food, lol, they must hate him bad.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I think he was calling out Jerry Lawler.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought strikes to the Mohawk area were not permitted. If kimbo had tucked his chin to his chest, thats all roy would have been able to hit in the crucifix.
Face it Kimbo sucks and has always sucked.
QFT!
And I was rooting for the guy. Crazy what editing music and commercials can do to blind you.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Quite Tasty Frogs
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by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Quoted for Truth
In many forums where people can edit their comments, it’s common to QTF so someone can’t change their story.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS!!!!!!!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 30, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean they would have had Roy lay on top of him just like they did with Kimbo? That’s blasphemy or something.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
…now that he lost, you won’t root for him anymore? BANDWAGONER!! (lol)
Seriously, though. That fight was disappointing BUT in retrospect, for a guy who came from fighting Tin Cans on the street, he did alright against tougher(and fatter) competition.
Now that said, he has a LOT of work to do to work on mat technique and defense.
I hope against better knowledge that Rampage would get over Roy being fat. By this time I think just about everyone watching has realised that Big Country is fat. The jokes might have been funny a few times but the shelf life has expired at least one episode ago. Not only that, but Rampage is making an idiot of himself by harping on the subject even during training. I don’t think Tiki was terribly impressed by how Rampage kept running his mouth about how certain mount escapes do not work because of…
Sheesh.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Oct 3, 2009 2:26 AM EDT reply actions
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