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ATTN: BE Moderators.



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Star-divide

Your work here is often under appreciated and taken for granted. You guys do a great job of running this site and

keeping everyone up to date with the latest news. From the late night live blogging and breaking news to the great

articles written everyday for us readers to comment and debate upon. All of the great aspects of BE make it by

far the best MMA site on the web today. Your level of commitment, dedication and boundless energy really serve as

a measure of the value you place on running BE. It is a great pleasure to be able to write and debate with you guys

on a daily basis. So Kid Nate, Luke, Brent, Michael, Mike, Richard, Chris, Eugene, Nick, and Leland, I think i speak

for everyone in saying we can’t thank you enough for all your hard work and dedication, and keep doing what you are

doing because it is truly great.

The FanPosts are solely the subjective opinions of Bloody Elbow readers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Bloody Elbow editors or staff.

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lots of people are hating on them recently, but deep inside, they all know they love BE.. haha. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Group hug!

Keep firing Assholes!

ZE GOGGLES! ZAY DO NOZING!!!!

by Ubernoober on Sep 3, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Joins in teh ass kissing

by Zack Gobie on Sep 3, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Hugz?

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Banned!

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 3, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

That would have been hilarious.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Sep 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

BE Moderators—

You do a good job, and this is far and away the best MMA site I’ve ever stumbled across.

However, I do find it interesting that while you’re quick to stifle discussions of politics, religion, and even music, you don’t feel the need to step in when people are discussing whether they’d have sex with Kyra Gracie, or where to find good pictures of drunk women, or how Cristiane Cyborg looks like a man.

What gives?

by JRN on Sep 3, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

When have they halted a conversation on music? We’ve talked about it extensively…

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate did it earlier today. No big deal, just pointing it out.

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 4, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was so off-topic about the music that warranted stopping/hiding?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing major, Nate just politely asked people to stop talking about music and stick to the topic at hand, MMA. Not an unreasonable request.

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 4, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

not unreasonable

but damn my boss lets me talk about music at work.

he was injured. injured bad.

by troy145 on Sep 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s cuz you work at a record store.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 6, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I might have been out of line

there but I thought it was getting out of hand. We’re going thru a lot of growing pains and trying to get a feel for how to moderate a much much larger community.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I like about BE – we can indulgence our tangents & digressions – the live blogs would suck if we didn’t BS through half of it. If the music was completely out of line (say, praising Nazi punk), I get it, else, I think it’s harmless fun (and better than yet another Fedor vs UFC argument, which is on topic).

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but liveblogs are a lot different than posts about specific topics. I personally find it a bit off-putting when 40 comments out of the 90 on a particular post have nothing to do with the topic. I like the idea of a reminder now and again to stick to the issue at hand.

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 4, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The night of Gina/Cyborg was hard on mods to get rid of all the bad posts regarding Cyborg…they were all over it though.

They kill those conversations because this is an MMA site for commenting on MMA or related articles, not a public forum.

I also know what you are talking about with the music thing, that happened earlier today. I was lost.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 4, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you’ve heard the old saying that you never talk about religion or politics while drinking, right? It’s pretty much the same damn thing. Such varying views and people get real pissed off about it.

Follow me on Twitter @lelandroling
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

by Leland Roling on Sep 4, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah those two topics tend to be a land mine waiting to go off. Like the pic of the guy with the white power tats the other day, that was a powder keg ready to go off but Nate done a fine job of keeping things under control and then closed up shop before things got out of hand.

by Riley_96 on Sep 4, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

we're walking a fine line

When the sex talk gets out of hand we hide posts and issue warnings but a little bit of red blooded enthusiasm for ones fellow human beings’ attractive qualities is fine.
We’d rather not have to delete anything but we’re trying to keep this a fun and open site that’s welcoming to all kinds of MMA fans who want to participate in intelligent discussions.
Let us know if you think we’re screwing up, we do listen.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sexyama probably gets the most graphic comments anyway…

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that’s different. I’m straight and I don’t think I could say no to him….

by Zack Gobie on Sep 4, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Let us know if you think we’re screwing up, we do listen.

This was screwed up.

by JRN on Sep 5, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering that too.

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 6, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he’s more uptight than a 70 year old nun.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 6, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s nothing tawdry to you guys about a prurient picture of a passed-out woman in a bath tub combined with “want to convince some bar skanks to get drunk enough to go home with you?” Forgive me for my uptightness, but I just don’t think rape is that funny. And it disturbed me to see it in a post from one of the site’s own official contributors. The ensuing discussion in the comments didn’t exactly improve matters, either.

by JRN on Sep 6, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you took that seriously then you are probably in the wrong place.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 6, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup..

that was a joke, and the punchline wasn’t about rape either..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 6, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s saying if you take a drunk girl home and have sex with her it’s rape.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 6, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you get a passed out girl and do her, then it's rape..

get a girl tipsy so she’d be easier to convince to sleep with you, then that’s fair game. haha.

Mike Fagan obviously wasn’t talking about rape.. He just made a joke about the drinking game being able to help convince chicks to sleep you… and then he probably googled drunk girl to add as a picture..

JRN is reading too much into it, and is really missing the point. haha.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 6, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you get a passed out girl and do her, then it’s rape..

Yes. And so the juxtaposition of the picture of the passed-out woman with the talk about convincing “bar skanks” (oh those bar skanks, they deserve whatever they get, don’t they?) to drink enough to come home with you creeped me the hell out. Maybe it wasn’t an intentional rape joke; maybe it was totally unwitting. Frankly, I’m not sure which scenario is worse.

(And no, the fact that it was “just a joke” does not excuse anything. But props for dragging out that old chestnut, I guess.)

by JRN on Sep 6, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m clearly on the wrong planet. But alas, I have nowhere else to go.

by JRN on Sep 6, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

International space station

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 6, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'll join in on the ass-kissing

I don’t post often but I’ve been lurking for about a year now. I love this site, good job guys :-)

by Captain7 on Sep 4, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

BTW

Nate your Judo Chops are bad-ass.

by Captain7 on Sep 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Judo Chop FTW!!...now, um......

….can anybody tell me how I can actually publish my FanPost, which I thought I properly published but is somehow stuck in an unpublished draft mode?!?

/idiot who now realizes why he lurks instead of posts….

by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Sep 4, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind...

….figured it out…..will go back to lurking now….

by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Sep 4, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I came out of hiding but most of what I would say gets said for me by other people. my posts tend to be ‘I agree’ or ‘well said’

I consider it to be a good thing!

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Sep 4, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree ;-)

Lol, most of the time there aren’t many places where I feel I could add to the discussion. Occasionally I’ll pipe in, but most of the time I just like to watch.

by Captain7 on Sep 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I did

Then it was a joke…yeah…a joke

:-)

But seriously…no, I didn’t.

by Captain7 on Sep 7, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, ladies and gents. Much appreciated.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I am

a working man, but I will let you slide with the Gent comment! J/K

by Riney on Sep 4, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

BE Rocks

Everybody knows that.

by Razzel on Sep 4, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s a thankless and endless job but the moderators do it well.

"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy

by Benicio on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions  

love this sight so much its caused complete insomnia

by ldglass on Sep 4, 2009 5:54 AM EDT reply actions  

thats the thing i use internet for this and ign not much else

by ldglass on Sep 4, 2009 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you heard of porn…?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone, we may need help...

Pulling South Alabama’s head out of Nate’s ass. Nice Job brown nosing:)

I love the site as well, my favorite by far.

by Nick Travaglini on Sep 4, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

No shit, if Nate called me an asskisser for a simple comment along these lines yesterday what is this? :)

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 8:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shut up, everyone here knows you are just a big asskisser. And we are all just a little sick and tired of it.

Seriously, I am like totally kidding. I might be hanging out with cheerleaders to much.

by szucconi on Sep 4, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Check your E-mail man, i sent you an invite to the league

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 4, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

As you read i said i spoke for everyone, so when you get my head out Nate’s ass, I’ll pull yours out of

Luke’s ;)

by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 4, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks everyone!

sometimes ass kissing is much appreciated!

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No talk of politics? Well what if Obama fought in an MMA match against Kim Jung Ill? Who would win?

for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.

by Bandaka on Sep 4, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

actually back when Putin was in charge of Russia you could legitimately mix politics and MMA. i always fantasized him calling out other world leaders to exhibition matches. i’m strange.

america woulda been screwed unless we could like bring teddy roosevelt back from the dead.

by Headkick on Sep 4, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

roosevelt was like the Roy Nelson. In physical build anyway. Abe Lincoln was like the Fedor.

by szucconi on Sep 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Putin is more or less still in charge of Russia, and could more or less still out grapple any world leader I can think of.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Sep 4, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putin’s judo book should totally be the next review for Nate.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it's directly related to MMA it's viable

but generally when politics is relevant we only let people make one comment stating their opinion and move along, unless there’s a genuine dialogue going on.
Now if there’s a for real push for a fighter’s union, that’s going to be a no holds barred blood bath.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll ban upwards of 20 people the day that happens.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Sep 4, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words, it will be the greatest day of your life.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. The best hands-down MMA website. No BS and nothing but MMA.

"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock

by BadB on Sep 4, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks so much

It’s appreciated.
For the past couple of months it’s often felt like we were under siege on our own site.
Nice to hear from the silent majority.
Sadly we had to ban most of the vocal minority.
LOL

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Rabble Rabble Rabble!!!

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Sep 4, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm a bit of a lurker

I will occasionally throw my 2 cents in, but I like to stay away from the internet dick measuring stuff that occasionally goes on, like arguing over word definitions….really? But all in all this is by far the best MMA site, with a really great community and moderators keep up the good work guys, and I think Weo x3 should be a staff definitely has great posts…..except the funny bone thing.

by despisedIcon856 on Sep 4, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

funny bone sucks?

i haven’t done one in ages.. haha. but thanks for the compliment. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 4, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you should just stick to the Photoshop contests, things like that are guaranteed hilarity with right picture.

by Zack Gobie on Sep 4, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you spelled complaint wrong.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best MMA site around

The mods are great and thanks for your commitment, contribution, and efforts to keep this site going strong.

Yours,

smoogy and subo

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Sep 4, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

And AlwaysRelaxing.

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 4, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he gone, too?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 4, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Yesterday. Rule 4 strikes again!

http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 4, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow I just read the thread

I’ve never seen anyone try so hard to get banned like that.

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Sep 4, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are these rules? I’ve been posting here so long that I don’t remember them.

http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite

by FlyByKnight on Sep 4, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

here they are (the order changes a little from time to time but this is the jist)

These are the guidelines we give to the moderators:

1) No name calling, no ethic or sexual slurs, requesting illegal steams — procedure, hide comments, issues one warning then ban

2) no threats, spoilers — procedure immediate ban, delete comments

3) discussing politics or religion — allow one statement of view point if relevant, procedure warn, delete/hide comments

4) don’t piss off the moderators

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Sep 5, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should have seen the last hurrah of GhostOfSubo.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

E-mail me that one.

The comment got hidden. My address is on my profile.

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Sep 4, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That was ridiculous.

by Captain7 on Sep 4, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you waiting for?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 5, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

PS

thanks for not Suboing me!

by Riney on Sep 4, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the effort

The site is excellent.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Sep 4, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I rarely visit other sites. This is a one stop shop.

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin

by donkeypunch on Sep 4, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Right, assuming of course you can stand the smarmy douche beg mods.

:)

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

BAN!

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Sep 4, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of an inside joke, that’s what Danny Dangerously called Nate right before (I assume) he got banned yesterday.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, was this really necessary??

I like this site just as much as everyone else despite the fact most of my friends have gotten banned off of here at their own peril…. but this article didn’t need to be made, this is pathetic. This is over the top brown nosing here. I respected your posts before SAR but you lost a lot of respect.

You hoping for a job or something?

As my gay cousin Mike would say…“that is the gayest shit I’ve ever read and I would know”

He was like 'You hit like a bitch.' I'm like all right. And I stood up and slapped him. I go 'Now you just got hit like one.'" - Kurt Pellegrino.

by Gunslinger20 on Sep 5, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You sir, have issues. Do you pay to be on this site? Somebody does. Time is money. Show a little gratitude.

"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock

by BadB on Sep 5, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have issues?

Perhaps, but that is neither here nor there.

You show your gratitude to the mods of this site by logging on to it, you show your gratitude by posting on it…… I think that is showing enough gratitude.

I often compliment the mods and other posters on here when they do exceptional work… but this “Emmy Awards” speech here is just blatant brown nosing to get on the mods “good side” as oppose to their “shit list”.

He was like 'You hit like a bitch.' I'm like all right. And I stood up and slapped him. I go 'Now you just got hit like one.'" - Kurt Pellegrino.

by Gunslinger20 on Sep 5, 2009 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, however

I’ve been feeling a little unnerved by some recent trends, namely moderator(s) becoming increasingly touchy and almost reflexively defensive (I’m not gonna beat around the bush: specifically Nate). Additionally, several relatively recent bannings have left me questioning what the standards for discourse really are around here. I understand this whole site is nothing more than an immense labor of love (and one that I am very appreciative of), but I can’t help but feel that things are starting to unravel a bit around here.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Totally Agree

Nate does to a ton of good for the site (the Judo Chops & MMA Histories alone are better than most anything else out there), but at times he seems to be quick to take offense. Maybe there behind-the-scenes drama I’m missing, but I wish everyone could be like Fonzi and chill the fuck out.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree as well.

It almost seems like if we’re quick to question a mod, we get on their shit list and things get real touchy. I only say this cuz just today I received a warning, for what I don’t know. The only things I can think of were me questioning Kid Nate’s warning to AlwaysRelaxing or me disagreeing with Leland’s assessment of Frank Mir’s fight against Big Nog. Neither of which, IMO, deserve a warning.

I love this site, I visit it every day and the articles are all quality. I just wish the mods could chill out a little bit and take criticism a little better. Hopefully me voicing this doesn’t get me booted from the site or the typical “you don’t run this blog, if you don’t like it then leave”, b/c I do appreciate the content and the intelligent discussion provided here.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Sep 5, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

I appreciate the honest criticism.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Sep 5, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a lot of the more vocal folks in the community use a lexicon associated with messageboards, but candidly I will tell you I think that’s a bit of insult to the very talented staff here.

Good call. Didn’t mean to offend with the “moderator” line. I’ll avoid that one in the future.

Well, why do you think it is the traffic and community can grow here without the values and expectations of conduct in the community ungluing themselves? Because we believe we have a whole lot of smart readers, the right ideas about what help fosters good conversation and a vigilent adherence to policing the ranks. You don’t get civility without a little heavy handedness.
No offense, Luke, but I’m saying that they are coming unglued, or at least starting too. It’s hardly that bad (this place makes Sherdog and the UG look like the eighth layer of hell), but I think things are slowly becoming too heavy handed.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 6, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but they aren’t. I categorically disagree. The argument you’re offering is presented every two months, but neither myself nor any of the staff members who by responsibility of the job go through every single post, FanPost and FanShot to observe the discussion thinks things have taken a turn for the worse. I realize we may make some wrong calls here or there and I’m glad you’re vocalizing a concern. I’ll take it into account in the future, but I see very little evidence the moderation policy the staff here adopts and practices is stymieing otherwise reasonable conversation.

by Luke Thomas on Sep 6, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let me translate Luke- Rundownloser, the late subo, AlwaysRelaxing, and a few others seem to think that they should be able to say whatever the hell they want and as long as it isn’t a direct insult or threat to someone else then it’s OK. They seem to be under the mistaken impression that since they have been here a while they should get a certain amount of leeway. What they don’t understand is that rules are rules and they apply to everyone equally whether you have been here a year or a day. You can’t please all of the people all of the time, obviously when you are talking about something as subjective as hiding comments and banning people there will be differences of opinion. With the amount of traffic to the site lately I’m sure there are a lot of jugement calls that you guys don’t have time to think a lot about, as long as you guys are simply doing what you think is in the best interest of the site then that’s all we can ask.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 6, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

To put it more charitably:

Some of the posters are worried that any questioning of the editors will be seen as an immediate violation of Rule #4. Yes, you can make a very cogent argument that subo crossed the line by joking at Nate’s family, but what was the reason for iiowyn’s (temporary, thankfully) dismissal? When guys like AR or smoogy just act like jackasses, even if they have a legit gripe, I don’t miss them. I’m sure even subo could have come back had cooler heads worked it out (from the insinuations, it was quite messy behind the scenes). That reflexive banning of iiowyn worried many of us, and we feel that if we don’t speak up about what we perceive as a problem, it could get worse as the BE community grows.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 7, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys have to understand how hard it is to run a blog with this much traffic, especially during the live blogs where they are even more stressed about stuff..

iiowyn is back, so everything is peachy.. subo probably could’ve returned also, but there were some messy shit that really sealed the deal for him..

Also, people who are new here should know that it’s not stating your opinion that gets you in trouble, it’s how you say it.. people are welcome to disagree with anyone, including the staff, as long as you say it properly..

and one last thing.. people should relax a bit more.. we can all discuss MMA in a civilized manner no matter the difference in opinion right? :)

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 7, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that it’s difficult keeping an ever-expanding website under control. iiowyn is back because once everyone calmed down, he & Nate apparently worked it out. That doesn’t justify why he was banned in the first place, which is a matter of concern for many of us.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 7, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i get you,

and I can’t know for sure,
but doesn’t iiowyn’s return mean that looking back, they also felt that he shouldn’t have gotten banned? because they corrected it and now he’s back.. so it’s all good right?

No one is perfect. but at least they showed that they are open minded and willing to correct things that people think are wrong, right?

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 7, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys realize subo did come back right? He was around for less than a day and made somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 posts, most of which got hidden. If Nate was willing to let him back after all the bullshit I think that shows he is pretty fair about things. Unfortunately subo decided to meltdown again and he was gone almost as soon as he reappeared.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Behold, the new but not improved subo:

http://www.sbnation.com/users/TheGhostOfSubo

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know he came back, and I also know he eventually shot himself in the foot. However, Nate provoked him that time (tiny-penis joke), and subo acted accordingly (your-wife-doesn’t-mind joke). The difference is that Nate wields the banhammer, so he was safe (unless Luke overrules him, but that’s their business). If anyone else began posting comments of this rancor, the warnings would come flying.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I’m ever so glad that you entered the conversation and brought your unique wisdom to the table.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 7, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just get sick of all the whining when Luke or Nate make a decision that everyone doesn’t agree with. Would you prefer that they put everything to a vote?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 7, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anything I said should be classified as “whining”. And the false dichotomy is appreciated as well.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 7, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess we’ll agree to disagree. Nevertheless, thanks for treating my critiques seriously.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 7, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to speak for any of the staff but my guess is that we probably don’t see half the shit that gets hidden, deleted, whatever you want to call it, and it probably gets pretty fucking annoying. The bigger the site gets the more trolls wander into the comments section and the more work it is to keep this place halfway civilized. So I really can’t blame Nate if he’s on edge some of the time, this isn’t what pays his bills and puts food on his family’s table, this is something he does because he loves MMA, just like you and me. So cut the guy some fucking slack.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 5, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have “cut the guy some fucking slack”. Firstly, I haven’t said anything even remotely harsh or meanspirited. In all, I think I’ve been pretty damn cordial in airing my criticisms. Secondly, this isn’t the first I’ve said regarding this issue to Nate: here is the email I sent to Nate almost a month ago:

Firstly Nate, I love bloodyelbow. I don’t say that lightly. I discovered the site after breaking my arm last october. I was shocked to find such an informed and passionate community discussing the sport that was fast becoming my obsession. After lurking for a couple months, I properly joined the site. Knowing you fine folks has been awesome; honestly, you guys were keeping me sane all those days I spent alone in my house, crippled and unable to find any sort of gainful employment. You, Luke, Brent, Eugene, Fagan, Cannon, Leland, Richard, Rome, and last (but most certainly not least) Chris have made a site that should be envied by every other blog community on the net. And though I don’t post nearly as much as I used to, my interest in the site has not diminished one iota.
     That said, I must admit that I have been mightly unnerved by the recent bannings of subo and iiowyn. I’ve never been a subo acolyte. Though he and I are roughly in the same ballpark regarding our vision of the future of MMA, I’m not an immense fan of his often adversarial tone nor am I a fan of his nigh-on constant fanboyism. I’ll even admit that I wish he wouldn’t post so damn much. Nevertheless, I am not with you in banning him. I can see you being annoyed given that your wife was brought into the joking, but I still don’t believe the punishment matches the crime, especially given the context of the conversation. An even more crushing insult/joke seemed to be more in order.
     Even more perplexing was the banning of iiowyn. I suspected that the subo ban was somewhat a “straw that broke the camel’s back” sort of situation; however, iiowyn was always a great guy. Outside of his genuine dislike and arguable harassment of Supremacy (who seemingly does everything in his power to court said treatment), I found him to be an eminently agreeable, reasoned, and intelligent poster with a notable and appreciated sense of humor. And if the comment that looks to have gotten him banned is all it takes to ban somebody, you’re gonna want to ban a whole lotta people soon.
     I’ll get right down to it: Ever since the day that Barnett’s steroid test came back, several of the staff members, especially you Nate, have seemed really on edge. I imagine that the incredible amount of time you have to dump into this thing to keep it going is the principle reason (btw, it really does seem like an absolutely herculean effort). And although I sympathize, I think that rule #4 (aka “don’t piss off the mods”) has all of a sudden become a much higher standard than it once was. All told, I’m not comfortable with the recent bannings and the direction that they seem to be suggesting for the future of BE, and I figured that you’d appreciate a personal email more than a fanpost.
Sincerely,
Justin A. Cave
aka Rundownloser

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 6, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys create the best discussions. enjoy being number one while you got it.

by naturalist on Sep 6, 2009 3:20 AM EDT reply actions  

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