Does B.J. Penn vs Diego Sanchez at UFC 107 Mean Dana White Walked Away From Another Network Deal?
by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT
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Dana White announced today that lightweight champ B.J. Penn will defend his belt on December 12 in Memphis at UFC 107.
Zak Woods raises the obvious question:
Sanchez and Penn were initially rumored to fight on the UFC 105 card but then it was rumored that they would headline a third UFC card in November, which would possibly be on network T.V.
The addition of the lightweight title fight to UFC 107 may indicate that the rumored UFC-network television deal has fallen through (again).
This is also significant news for UFC 105, which is still without a main event. Middleweight champion, Anderson Silva, made his intentions to take time off known and with the lightweight title fight at UFC 107 the U.K. fight card is still without a main event.
Too soon to tell, but all signs point to no network deal. The UFC thought they were very close. They also thought they would sign Fedor.
A couple of days back I wrote:
It's pretty thrilling to watch Dana White swing from success to success and still keep going for more. The guy knows that this is no time to get complacent and sit on his lead. Dana and the Fertittas came very close to permanently locking up all five of the marquee divisions in MMA when they went balls out trying to sign Fedor Emeliananko earlier this month. ...
But even with that final victory snatched from his grasp, Dana only pushes even harder for world domination. In the aftermath of Strikeforce's very solid ratings performance with Carano vs Cyborg, the specter of Fedor on CBS has to be keeping Dana White up at night.
I'm rooting for Dana to land a network deal -- the right network deal -- but the drama of the situation is irresistibly fascinating: the brash young man at the top of his game, experiencing success that would have astounded all observers just five years ago still driven to attain ever more dizzying heights while his competitors nip at his heels.
Looks like Dana has once again chosen to look before he leapt into a network deal. Or maybe he didn't get an offer. Let's not forget only two years ago White was promising that the UFC would be on HBO. There are reasons the networks might still be leery of the UFC and MMA, from Sports Business Journal:
It’s difficult to tell whether the UFC slowly is moving to the mainstream, or whether it will remain a niche player on the sporting landscape.
It’s an important question, because if the UFC is viewed as mainstream, more sponsorship and ad dollars will flow to it. But it’s a question that is still being asked, despite massive pay-per-view numbers and considerable buzz from “UFC 100” in Las Vegas this month.
Speculation was that the event would log about 1.5 million PPV buys at between $45 and $55. Even with those numbers, to some of the country’s most influential ad buyers, the risks associated with getting involved with UFC still far outweigh the benefits.
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I think we need more details before saying he “blew” a deal. Maybe it was a bad offer (like the deal EliteXC had), maybe (as you mentioned) he never got an offer, maybe they just need more time to negotiate. There are a number of things that could have happened other than just Dana “blowing it”.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
good point
changed the headline
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm full of them Nate
Anytime you need some help feel free to drop me an email. :)
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW Nate
It seems like the flavor of the month around here lately is to bash the site and the administrators and for the record I think you guys are doing a great job and I hope you don’t feel you guys need to change what you’re doing just to be popular and pander to the mainstream. There’s a reason people come here and maybe it’s just not for everyone but please don’t like what you guys are doing here is not appreciated.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but please don’t like what you guys are doing here is not appreciated.
=
please don’t feel like what you….
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice asskissing
there’s a difference between the mainstream and the people who live in the comments.
We love our commenters but all too often donks start thinking they’re a big part of the site just because they hang around here and bitch.
I’m always happy when I ban a fool who wants to hate on me or BE or the other moderators.
People forget this is our house and everyone is just our guest.
There’s no freedom of speech on a privately owned blog.
But thanks for the encouragement.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiss my ass
:P
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe another time
; )
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“kiss my ass, kiss your ass, kiss his ass… happy hannukah.”
by woooburn on Sep 3, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things:
1) Maybe everyone should read “How to Win Friends and Influence People” before they post?
2) Can I get banned just so I can get some my actual work done?
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you'll have to try harder than that
; )
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-)
How long would you like to be banned for?
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by Richard Wade on Sep 3, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol,
richard’s ban finger is already twitching and aching to go..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While HtWFaIP is great and should be read by everyone, they could also read Don’t Be a Fucking Shithead by me.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 3, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ebook?
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“There’s no freedom of speech on a privately owned blog”
Well not on this one anyway … isn’t mmajunkie for example a privately owned blog?
Im just sayin…
by JoelMan on Sep 4, 2009 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying something completely irrelevant?
They have mods and delete posts also.
by Phildo on Sep 4, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why irrelevant ? He said something which I believe was false so I answered HIM . If it’s not relevant TO YOU , Im sorry…
by JoelMan on Sep 4, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmajunkie is a privately owned blog. There is no freedom of speech there. How is what you said relevant?
by Phildo on Sep 4, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah now I see what u mean . No , I meant the opposite , that mmajunkie has almost complete freedom of speech , kinda like Sherdog , yet both are privately owned …(Sherdog isn’t a “blog” but mmajunkie is as far as I know)
Why do u say there is no freedom of speech there ? Everything has it’s limits , you can’t deny the holocaust and slavery there(at least I think) , but everything else pretty much goes I think , in the comment area…
Anyway I don’t really dig mmajunkie just for the record , their articles are never written in an interesting way imo
by JoelMan on Sep 4, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither of those places has anything resembling complete freedom of speech. They delete comments and ban people all of the time.
the first amendment protects you from the government, not from Nate.
by Phildo on Sep 4, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, those places might be less moderated than here, but that doesn’t mean they have freedom of speech, and it’s a good reason why it’s next to impossible to have a reasonable discussion there.
by Phildo on Sep 4, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to go and enjoy the informed and intelligent conversation at Sherdog and Junkie
please feel free.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you told me to stay on topic yesterday??
by frickshun on Sep 4, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes I did.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re walking a line that you should probably get off of, sir.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The old one made me lol.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 3, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is UFC 107 a confirmed PPV? Maybe that will be on network tv.
by Razzel on Sep 3, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much since it is the only December card.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
wow thats quite a title, quite the thing to link penn fighting at 107 to white “blowing another” network deal.
by brazary on Sep 3, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After seeing what happened to Elite XC and what’s probably going to happen to Strikeforce, I think Dana is going to be very wary about accepting a TV deal if it doesn’t benefit UFC like he wants it to. Plus giving away Lesnar fights and having the network taking over production [which I’m sure they wanted] probably didn’t sit well with him.
by Zack Gobie on Sep 3, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But...
That has always been the reason. 2 years running now, where one party has to give in a bit, and at some point, someone needs to to ever make it happen.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 3, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should give in, but not to the point that it damages the product and/or the company.
After looking at what Elite got from CBS, in terms of production and in terms of money, Zuffa would have been completely stupid to accept that deal.
it doesn’t make sense to give everything away just to be on network TV.
by Phildo on Sep 3, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone points at EliteXC, but every deal is different. Strikeforce didn’t get the same deal EliteXC did with Showtime.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 3, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the recent decisions Strikeforce has been making, it sounds like Showtime has a big hand in their running.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 3, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, Strikeforce got more money than Elite but less control over their own product, exactly why Dana has been unwilling to cut a deal so far.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Says who? How do you know that Strikeforce has less control over their product than Elite? Every time you make a deal with a network, they will have some say, thats just the way it works when you are on a network.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 4, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Fedro.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 4, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone wants to sign the best fighter in the world. This will always be true with or without a network. The network actually made it possible for SF to sign him.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 4, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Anderson Silva have to do with this?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The stuff you say to promote your agenda and facade is hilarious.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 4, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you dont believe Showtime has a huge hand in everything Strikeforce is doing right now you’re more blind than I thought.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 4, 2009 8:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care about the showtime deal.
We’re talking about network TV. You imply that dana not getting the deal done is a bad thing. Dana probably won’t get 100% of what he wants in a network deal, he knows that. There are hardly any negotiations where both sides walk away 100% happy. But that doesn’t mean he should take a bad deal. He won’t get a perfect one, so what.
People keep acting like Dana not giving up production is a bad thing. I think it’s genius. The only 2 people who appear to be competent enough to produce an mma show are zuffa and FEG/DSE/whatever the hell you want to call Pride/Dream/whatever. People will debate which is better, but I think it’s fair to say those 2 are miles ahead of everyone else. It makes absolutely no sense for Zuffa to pay someone else to produce their show and do a worse job than they can do on their own. And you have to be real, Rogan and Goldie aren’t perfect (and are only a small part of the production) but they will be miles ahead of anyone at any network just because of their experience.
by Phildo on Sep 3, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I never said Dana not getting the deal done is a bad thing. My point was that just because EliteXC got a bad deal, it doesn’t mean that every deal is a bad one. No one really knows what each parties demands are.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 4, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typical Kid Nate stuff. Did he blow it when they didn’t take the CBS deal?
I think they have a long enough track record of success to make me think Dana White knows a good vs. bad deal when he see’s one.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Sep 3, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i like how it went from "blew" to "walked away"
by I Can't Feel My Face on Sep 3, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s almost like he doesn’t think before he posts.
For all we know, a network deal is going to happen but not until 2010 due to money and time constraints…. And that is why BJ Penn is on the December show.
The real thing is, we just don’t know. It could be a combination of many things.
Not to mention he likes to put Fedor’s name into the article. And really, he has nothing to do with the situation.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Sep 3, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's an idea
why don’t you try working a full-time professional job and running a blog.
It is almost like I don’t have much time to think before I post, because I don’t.
You’re walking very close to breaking rule #4.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see this happening...
I mean, first he would have to GET a job, then……
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kid Nate,
Let me get this straight….. Me, along with a few other people mention that you made a bad post…. And I get a warning for it?
There is nothing that I posted that was untrue or a personal attack. It was an attack on your MMA writing, which should be fair game since you are writing about MMA.
You let the power go to your head far too often….
by AlwaysRelaxing on Sep 3, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s almost like he doesn’t think before he posts.
That’s not untrue? Sure, he didn’t think, he just pounded a few buttons on his keyboard and this came out, then he posted it.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are unfamiliar with Kid Nate.
He has a history of changing posts, deleting other people’s comments. This isn’t just a one time thing. He has done it off an on for over 6 months….
by AlwaysRelaxing on Sep 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re just asking for it aren’t you? =)
It’s really pointless in trying to prove you’re right. Say it once and walk away.
by cyph on Sep 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I am quite familiar with him, and I know he’s the founding editor and he can do what he wants because it’s his and Luke’s site. He doesn’t need to ask our permission if he wants to ban someone or delete their comments.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you're banned.
Of course I change posts — it’s a blog. When I make a mistake (and I make many of them) I change it.
When someone says something stupid, we generally hide it.
I’m leaving this one up to show people how to break Rule #4 — don’t piss off the moderators.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But...
Who will bring up how shitty and gutless Fedor is and how Strikeforce is incompetent and doomed to fail(whether it’s correct or not being irrelevant) in EVERY thread now?
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 3, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure someone will man up and fill the gap
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
;-)
I’ll do it. I think it’s an important niche that needs filling.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 3, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like 45 Huddle is back to full-time at his old job (poking the conspiracy theorists at FIghtOpinion with a stick).
by Steve4192 on Sep 4, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand giving him warning just b/c he disagreed with the title of your post.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Sep 3, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what I warned him about
I warned him that I didn’t care to be talked about in the third person.
I changed the headline in response to the criticism. Honest and fair criticism is always welcome.
But running this site is a hobby and it’s supposed to be fun.
When people break rule #4 repeatedly (and Always Relaxing had a long long list of warnings and deleted comments before I banned him), it makes this not fun. If it’s not fun I’ll quit doing it and then you guys will have to go somewhere else to talk about MMA.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
I have been warned. But how many of my posts have been deleted?
by Riney on Sep 3, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like 7 comments
by 4 different moderators.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been warned a couple times and had some comments taken off but never for being disrespectful. People have different opinions on things and “most” of us can debate them in an adult manner which is what makes this site great.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 3, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean what is a site without a little debate
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 3, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four of the seven were by me.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Sep 3, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
This shirt is "dry clean only", which means it's dirty.
by SamCupitt on Sep 4, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Sure.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Sep 5, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question
I don’t think I’ve ever received a warning, but if I did, how would I know? Does it show up when you click your name at the top? Or does a mod just post on a comment section that you have been warned?
by filipinomix2oo0 on Sep 4, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it shows up when you try to log back in
or post a comment.
you’ll know when you’ve been warned.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 4, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In defense of Kid’s Fedor post, that seemed to be in relation to what at the time was thought of as common wisdom: that Fedor was coming to the UFC and proved to be a misconception.
As for what happened? Right now all we can do is conjecture:
1) Is the announcement being delayed
2) Did they feel they just didn’t have enough names to carry so many cards
3) were the advertisers not jumping on board enough to make it feasible.
I will be waiting for mmalogic’s comments.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reconsidered on advice of some others on the staff with better info
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how AlwaysRelaxing went from "not banned" to "banned"
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, I don’t know what my deal is with starting fights today, first Leland and jemaleddin, now this.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about more fights on Spike, Dana?
Increase your Spike product for live fights and then eventually grow your way towards a network deal.
UFC 107: Awesomeness
Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.
by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever it means, thats a baller card
BJ Penn vs. Diego Sanchez
Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans
Perhaps a middleweight title fight? These December cards are always big.
by mason_beer on Sep 3, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a strong card but the big one is (supposedly) gonna be the new years card January 2nd but that one looks to be lacking in star power at this point.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The champs at 155, 205, and 265 are all fighting between now and then.
The champ at 170 is rehabbing an injury, and the champ at 185 is taking time off.
It will take some doing to make January 2 a blockbuster card.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Sep 3, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, maybe they can get Randy on there and perhaps Silva will be ready by then, but who they will fight is a mystery (please not each other). It’s looking like the Super Bowl card will be the big one for the winter.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Mir vs Kongo on this card as well?
Sounds like a triple main event to me.
by chrisbboy82 on Sep 3, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
I’d rec it if I wasn’t on my phone. C!
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If the UFC doesn’t have a network deal does that mean they will not be having three events a week?
If true, I’m thinking they looked at the numbers and it wasn’t worth it for them at this time. It may actually prove to be a benefit to them: now we don’t have to worry about watered down main events so they can fill their schedule.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say three events a month.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the network deal had everything to do with the whole three fights a month thing, but that is under the assumption that they weren’t going to have a network fight every month.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the network deal played a part in it. I remember mmalogic (maybe I’m wrong) saying there would be 6 network fights and another 6 on a sister station (which made everyone assume ABC and ESPN). Like I said I could be wrong.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it definitely 4? I seem to recall he said it would be up to six on another post? I could be wrong.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might have said that nother time, but I remember him saying the 4 and 8….
by AlwaysRelaxing on Sep 3, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if there is 3 fights a month, doesn’t not having a network deal mean that 2 of them are more likely to be along the lines of a Fight Night then a numbered event? I can’t see them putting a dozen numbered UFC events on cable if the advertising won’t support a main event fighter.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts were one numbered PPV a month, one foreign numbered card for free (whether that be on Spike or network TV) and one Fight Night/TUF Finale per month. I could be wrong and of course they could fudge those a little but that was my guess.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember mmalogic saying there would be two numbered events a month, one every two weeks. That way the Zeigarnik effect kicks in.
Not that “she” is always right.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at the “she”
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am thinking about making a post with all of mmalogic’s predictions and the result of them.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 3, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who do you think has a better batting average, him or supremacy?
by Phildo on Sep 3, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you has the better batting average of 100% guarantees.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 3, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't it be the shit, if Logic IS SuPreMaCy..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just blew my mind.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
One of them copies and pastes all his stuff, and the other makes predictions and talks about planning. I will take the actual thinking over the rehashed and retreaded copy and paste crap.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 3, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
doesn't BE, and most MMA blogs in general, copy paste from other sources too?
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and that is why what logic says is so valuable, despite everyone shitting on every tiny possible little mistake he might make. It is like people really don’t want any insight.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 3, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally agree. I think he uses the aura of authority a little too much, so that what he’s writing is taken as if it’s revelation, but that’s his job. I don’t think he hides it that he’s on the UFC team.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't shit on him, nor Supremacy.. Why does everyone have to shit on one of them?
in the wise words of the great poet Will Ferrell,
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you’re just too nice.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
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by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps there's a simpler explanation?
maybe they’re switching things around to let rampage do the a-team movie, and they’re changing the date for evans fight?
by woooburn on Sep 3, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
missed this same sentiment in the bj blog discussion. credit where credit is due.
by woooburn on Sep 3, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
thinking the same thing.
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by dedstrk316 on Sep 3, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps B.J. took a tough stance with Dana. He doesn’t like to fight on overseas cards because he gets a portion of the Pay-Per-View revenue, and the PPV buyrates on those cards are usually relatively low. Wouldn’t the same hold true for a fight on a network card? Maybe they couldn’t come to terms on compensation for him to fight on a network card.
Also, he’s stated before that he won’t fight in Nevada again. Maybe the proposed network show was going to take place in Las Vegas, and B.J. refused, leaving UFC 107 as the only option. Maybe Rampage/Rashad gets moved up to the mysterious network show, although I think ’Page gets a percentage of PPV money too.
I don’t know, just throwing that out there.
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by bigtim on Sep 3, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Perhaps B.J. took a tough stance with Dana.”
He probably had his mom go over to Dana’s mom’s house and tell her that she doesn’t appreciate the way her son is treating her precious little BJ.
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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Very good possibility
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by bigtim on Sep 3, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this card
A bit too stacked if
BJ – Sanchez
Rampage – Rashad
Mir – Kongo
are all on it? Rampage – Rashad is a legit main event in my eyes and could headline a show by itself.
by rainmaker6 on Sep 3, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Rampage might have got the A-Team role
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don’t tell me they are pushing back that fight for some cheesy movie. Machida is thin on legit contenders as it is.
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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Not if they push Lil Nog and make teammates fight each other
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 3, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are i think..
Machida will still fight the winner, and also, if Randy wins one fight at LHW, he’s back in contention too..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Randy has to win 2 fights at LHW he’s a minimum of a year away.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think he needs only 1 fight before he gets it..
if he beats rich franklin or whoever he’s gonna be matched up against, i wouldn’t be all that surprised if he gets a title shot next.. After Rampage/Evans ofcourse.
Maybe Randy fights on December or January, then if he wins, he can get the next shot, probably middle of 2010, assuming Rampage/Evans fights for the title before Feb..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That means they’ll have basically wasted a seasons worth of promotion on TUF.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
Rampage/Rashad is still gonna happen.. i just think it’s gonna be delayed a bit.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much delayed? If it’s one show it won’t be such a big deal. But if it’s a couple months, most of the excitement they’ll have built from the show will have dissipated.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s February the UFC marketing guys will be pissed. The whole point of coaching is that it provides a marketing tool for the fight at the end. The fight still might be big, but the excitement level can’t help but cool down some if it’s held two months after the show last airs.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes/Serra all over. Well, not that bad, but still.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same as last years December card-one title fight, one TUF finale, and one more solid co-main.
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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
R.I.P to my lame joke.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 3, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Save it for the next time. The way this post is going it won’t be long.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck network television, its evil and it will corrupt lil’ innocent Dana White’s heart!
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by Bandaka on Sep 4, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really want Dana to do a network deal!!
If only because it will greatly enhance the sport of MMA.
Although I have fun with all the anti-Zuffa/pro-Zuffa banter at heart I just want MMA to kickass and for the whole world to know what MMA (and the UFC?) is.
It would be goddamn awesome if I got to see Brock Lesnar or GSP on my evening news and in the back pages of my newspaper every week.
When GSP or whoever is the next great star gets to the level of stardom of Michael Jordan/Tiger Woods that would be the shiznit.
by rainmaker6 on Sep 4, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t a Strikeforce CBS deal also work out as a positive for the UFC? It would introduce new people to the sport and wet their appetite for more. And once they become more knowledgeable in the sport, they would follow the more hardcore fans’ lead and feel the need to watch the “superior” talent in the UFC.
by nottheface on Sep 4, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
and logic has repeated this many times. Strikeforce/EXC build fans for the UFC.
Unless Strikeforce can pull something spectacular I don’t think they can be any more than the ‘minor leagues’.
But therein lies the problem. Strikeforce doesn’t go on CBS regularly enough, and nor is their product attractive enough to attract many more eyeballs. The attraction of Jake Shields versus Mayham isn’t going draw people away from watching whatever else they were planning to watch on network TV (like CSI reruns) that day.
But Lesnar versus Carwin – or Penn versus Sanchez. Now we’re talking fights that can be hyped properly and will attract tons of viewers – if only just to check out ‘what this utlimate fighting thing’ is all about.
by rainmaker6 on Sep 4, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the idea of not paying up to $50 for a pay per view every month. What will I do with all that extra monies?
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by Bandaka on Sep 4, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You’d think by now Dana would have learned to just keep his mouth shut on certain things until it’s a done deal. It’s like he comes to you and says, “I got a secret! But I can’t tell you yet! It’ll blow your fucking mind!” Then the next day he’s like, “What secret?”
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by pud333 on Sep 4, 2009 3:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's funny!
Personally, while we would all love more exposure & more free fights……I don’t really see how it will make the UFC a ton more money. They won’t be selling ads like its the Super Bowl for monthly network shows. Where else is the money coming from?? It’s not going to make super-casuals (I’m coining the phrase) start buying PPV’s for $50 a pop multiple times a year. Even for boxing, in many cases I would just wait a week for HBO to replay a big PPV for free (not that there have been many in the last couple of yrs).
by frickshun on Sep 4, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC won’t do it if it doesn’t make them big money.
that is why there are problems right now.
It doesn’t need to make super bowl money to be profitable or a good deal.
by Phildo on Sep 4, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think about their profit for PPV (probably ranging from 15 mil to 30 mil after expenses) then how do they make that back putting shows on a network? New fans won’t be mailing donations. The network has to sell advertising. Much like the Super Bowl, they’ll need to charge a buttload for a 30 second spot (or signage in the cage) to make everybody money. Okay, we’ll call it “Seinfeld” or “Friends” level commercial money. Bottom line is the sport isn’t there yet.
by frickshun on Sep 4, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that’s the whole point of the discussion.
That’s the problem with a network show right now, no network is willing to pay them the amount they get from a PPV.
Zuffa needs to decide how much of a sacrifice it’s worth to get on network TV, because getting it on TV will help make the time it can get big TV show/big sport money come faster, and will also increase exposure which will lead to more ppv buys, more reason for advertisers to jump in, more people buying stuff from UFC.com, and more money for everyone.
by Phildo on Sep 4, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was still
really holding out hope that BJ would get to defend his title against Diego in Hawaii. Maybe they’ll get some Filipinos to fight in Hawaii, like Vera, or have a big name Japanese fighter on that card.
by rzor on Sep 4, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another possibility
Perhaps this just means that the network deal is postponed until after college football season. College football is quite the juggernaught to put your product against….especially if you are trying to establish a brand with a new audience. After the bowl season Saturday night will be free for new programming.
by Reciprocity on Sep 4, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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