Sean Sherk Skips CSAC Random Drug Test, Claims Injury; Monte Cox Denies "Conspiracy"
by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:42 PM EDT
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Only a few weeks ago I posted the following:
Nick Diaz is clearly responsible for his own actions, but after the surprise drug test of Josh Barnett he should have been prepared. Someone at the CSAC is clearly singling out high-profile MMA fighters who have checkered histories for special scrutiny.
Guess what, looks like Sean Sherk is the latest to be targeted for a "random" drug test by the CSAC. From the Wrestling Observer Newsletter (HT CageSide Seats):
Word of the injury got out on the evening of 9/2, a few hours after he was scheduled to take a random drug test by the California State Athletic Commission. He didn’t get on the flight to California and when he no-showed, UFC informed the commission that Sherk was injured and was off the card
Zak Woods saw this story coming:
Sean Sherk once swore off the entire state of California after his positive steroid test and lengthy, horribly run, appeal process.
Sherk apparently didn't listen when I pointed out that the CSAC random drug testing system is clearly targeting fighters who have previously failed drug tests. I was honestly surprised when the UFC booked Sherk to fight in California again after all the problems he had in the past.
I contacted Sherk's manager Monte Cox who emailed me the following:
Sean has passed 7 drug tests since the California incident... he separated his shoulder in training and had to pull out of his fight... MRI was sent to Zuffa. He didn't skip any test... if you're not fighting, you're not going to apply for a license. No big conspiracy in this.
UPDATE: Sherk talking to MMA Weekly in February 2008:
"There's no reason for me to ever fight in California again. The way they treated my case and the way they handled everything was so unprofessional that there's absolutely no way I'll ever fight in the state of California again, unless they get rid of the entire commission and hire a whole new commission," Sherk told MMAWeekly.
This turned out to be truer than Sherk could have anticipated.
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From my understanding, wasn’t this fight signed for another card, and then moved to UFC 104? Sherk doesn’t have a Cali license right now anyway, so it was pretty weird to move him onto that card.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why? Seems reasonable that he should be able to fight anywhere. Does the California sun burn his skin? Does the California air hurt his lungs? No? Then what’s the problem?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go again. A steroids tirade from jemaleddin.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? I didn’t even mention steroids!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep reading, folks.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real injury and/or painkillers and/or steroids?
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 3, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Steroids. Duh.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not until proven guilty dude. he may very well be but he wasent tested so its all just theories right now
by Riley_96 on Sep 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, so you think he might be addicted to painkillers instead? That’s so not cool. At least I’m accusing him of things he’s done in the past…
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what hes done, and frankly you don’t either. Its a good chance it was something an injury or it could very well be another substance problem. Without the test to prove it theres no way to say what caused him to pull out of the fight. I do agree that he should be randomly tested based on his past though.
by Riley_96 on Sep 4, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately for him
even if he’s not guilty, everyone will assume he is anyways.
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's cause he was guilty in the past.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the 2nd time in a row the CSAC has claimed “random” drug testing on a guy that’s not currently licensed in the state.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
third
Barnett, Diaz, now Sherk.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, forgot about Diaz. These tests are all a part of re-licensing, are they not? There’s nothing “random” about them at all.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
they definately seem to be targetting people who formerly failed a test
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s actually not the point I’m making. I’m saying it has nothing to do with their past history, it’s just that they have to re-apply for a license, and a drug test is a part of that relicensing.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I understand, that since he was not applying for a license they shouldnt be able to test him until he does? i.e., the CSAC should only be allowed to test people under license, or if someone applies?
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, in a way. All 3 of those guys let their licenses expire, and had to renew. The drug test was a part of the renewal process, it wasn’t the CSAC springing something on them. Barnett fucked up and thought he’d pass and didn’t. Diaz refused the renewal because he knew he’d fail, and will do it later without penalty. And Sherk, whether the injury is legit or not, doesn’t want to fight in Cali again and is avoiding relicensing.
All fighters have to pass a drug test when they renew., not just these 3. There’s nothing random about it, other than the CSAC picking a date for when the process will take place. Barnett was the only stupid one of the 3.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was clearly sprung on them
Barnett, Diaz and now Sherk are all skipping big pay days. If they’d had the 2 or 3 weeks notice they were expecting, theree wouldn’t be a problem.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we’re just assuming that he is skipping because of steroid use, which is based on the assumption that he was guilty the first time and didn’t test false positive.
I think given how much he argued his case, and knowing how much supplements can be tainted, that he wasn’t guilty the first time and isnt now. But it sucks that we have to think the negative first
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re too nice.
The amount that was in his system… would be VERY tough to produce even with tainted supplements. He’d have had to had a tainted supplement that had concentrated amounts of Nandrolone in it. Supplements usually only have traces.
Furthermore, he argued that the machine was tainted over and over again rather than the actual supplements for most of his case.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His claims were almost circular. He claimed that he took supplements that were tainted, but that he didn’t piss hot because the machines were giving a false positive. Huh?
It’s like that story of the guy who borrows a plate and brings it back broken. The guy questions him and he says, “I never borrowed it, it was broken when I got it and when I returned it it was fine.”
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People piss dirty all the time and sware up and down they did nothing and fight it to the bitter end when in fact they did use the Drugs or the Roids. I myselfhave done it back when I was younger 12 years ago when I was 18 and on probabtion the time I pissed dirty for weed and my probabtion officer caught me I swore up and down the test was wrong or they mixed up my sample when in fact I knew it was right and I did smoke weed. THe problem was I thought the Golden seal tea I was taking for alot of prior test worked 100% of the time to mask my urine boy was I wrong.
by Shocbomb on Sep 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I’m clearly looking at this a whole different way. All these guys knew about their fights 2-3 weeks before the test was “sprung”, and all of them were unlicensed. What I’m saying is that the CSAC is taking credit for something that’s fairly routine. But I think I’m way off.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Chris Leben
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah no kidding becasue in that time they could mask the urine or cycle it out of there system.
by Shocbomb on Sep 3, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s RANDOM in the timing, but definitely KNOWN to be coming at some point if they are applying to relicensing.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I’m saying. Thank you.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what they are saying….
Basically, they don’t see how he’s subject to a random test when he isn’t licensed for one… and two, if it isn’t a random test but a test due to licensing.. he’s off the card anyways so they weren’t going to require licensing.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, unless you’re licensed and/or actively seeking to fight in the state, Cali shouldn’t/can’t spring a random test on anyone. Right?
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s probably right, but all 3 of these people were scheduled to fight.
It would be nice if there was some sort of national licensing and national drug testing so we wouldn’t have to put up with that “oops, by license expired everywhere that does random testing crap.”
by Phildo on Sep 3, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that. But as long as state commissions are collecting revenue from hosting events on their soil, it’s going to be very hard to get that to happen.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how.
There’s a national boxing license, just make one for mma. The states are still responsible for running shows in their state and testing those people, but someone should be doing the “random” or out of competition testing at a national level.
by Phildo on Sep 3, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are clearly
showing some favoritism in their processes.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By requiring that he pass a test? What’s the big deal? If he’s clean, this is a non-issue.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CSAC already said that a past history has something to do with it.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes sense, since you already were at fault before, so they do have merit.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 3, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really have any problem with it at all. If you got tagged in the past, you should believe you are more than likely to get tested… it just doesn’t really go along with the whole… RANDOM feel to the test.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
they should just come out and say if you’ve failed in the past, youre a target for testing. Its not like thats not legitimate
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they do. I know the NSAC has said that.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, there’s a reason the police hold a criminal database, if you break the rules once you are more likely to do it again than someone who never has.
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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem I have with it is these
guys like Barnett, Diaz and Sherk not being on their toes and cleaning up their acts. Sherk especially should have known he’d be a target after Barnett and Diaz and all the stuff he has said about the CSAC.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
barnett and sherk
but i think diaz should be left out of the convo, because it isnt a history of steroid use… he just ate a pot brownie
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not meeting the standards to fight in the state is the same thing. I agree that Nick’s hardly seen as a cheater because of the weed, but weed and nandrolone are both the same in the eyes of the CSAC. Banned.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand from CSACs POV, i was talking about Nate saying that Nick should clean up his act
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should clean up his act
enough to pass the tests.
Pot shouldn’t be treated as a PED but it is. Diaz needs to deal.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did have that agreement though… i guess this was all argued a couple weeks ago
i just dont think what he did is as reprehensible as barnetts actions.. just my humble opinion
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had a verbal agreement
with Armando Garcia — a commissioner who got FIRED. He should have known that crap would’t hold water with a new regime.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor of the day is that he works for the Fertittas now!
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it's confirmed
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has it?
Graciefighter is still the only source I have seen for the rumor.
by Steve4192 on Sep 4, 2009 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the new regime should’ve also warned him, since he is one of their bigger cash cows
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the new regime
is clearly willing to put drug testing over revenue.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the new regime is clearly willing to putdrug testingfighter safety over revenue.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
fair enough
although marijuana has jack-all to do with fighter safety.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it does in a different sense: if you’re jacked up on the wacky weed (for joint pain, for instance), you could easily get your ass handed to you and end up injured, yes?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flunking a drug test is flunking a drug test
personally I could give two shits about steroid use. I care when fighters fuck up and get themselves suspended.
That’s not to say I don’t support drug testing. I do, particularly for the use of painkillers and stimulants the day of the fight.
But I think we need to reexamine PEDs in a serious way.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait. so if it’s against the rules you don’t care if they do it as long as they don’t test positive?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as HGH isn't tested for
it’s all pretty much a sham.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the study done that showed HGH without steroid is useless?
by cyph on Sep 3, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One study means very little. Until there’s more studies and peer review available I think people should be very wary of assuming that this puts the issue to rest.
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 3, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s absurd. One scientific study shows that HGH is ineffective without the use of steroid. Most people assume HGH is some sort of wonder drug when in fact it’s the steroid that’s the wonder drug. HGH is just a supplement. TThe inability to detect HGH does not invalidate drug testing, which is what Nate is getting at. Drug testing works, that’s a fact.
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by cyph on Sep 3, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here it is: http://www.physorg.com/news88140162.html citing a study by Stanford University.
The myth is perpetuated over and over by Internet HGH peddlers. A PED that works and can’t be detected? Why even use any other steroid if it works so wonderfully well? If HGH is all that is needed, how come athletes keep getting busted for all the other stuff?
by cyph on Sep 3, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drug testing works…but not well enough. And you cited one single study addressing HGH and its fountain of youth properties. How about the Mayo Clinic? They agree it is not an anti-aging drug…but it also will:
* Increase bone density
* Increase muscle mass
* Decrease body fat
* Increase exercise capacity
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 3, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is disputing that. However, it doesn’t increase athletic ability on its own, which is what the Stanford study concluded.
by cyph on Sep 3, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the link I’m looking for: http://www.slate.com/id/2162473/
That doesn’t mean very much for athletes: A chiseled physique won’t help you hit a baseball or throw a punch. So far, no one has been able to connect the increase in lean body tissue caused by HGH with enhancement of athletic performance. Unlike steroids, growth hormone hasn’t been shown to increase weight-lifting ability; in the lab, it has a greater effect on muscle definition than muscle strength. And it doesn’t seem to help much with cardiovascular fitness, either.
by cyph on Sep 4, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. We will NEVER stop steroid use in sports so everyone should just get used to it. There will always be something new in PED’s and they’ll always be years behind in finding ways to check for it.
They’ll never get these guys to piss in a cup once a week
by nastyem on Sep 3, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherk apparently is on his toes,
he became injured & is then skipped the random drug test.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you know, he could stop cheating. Either way.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Sean has passed 7 drug tests since the California incident"
seven tests that he knew the date of, ahead of time, correct?
by woooburn on Sep 3, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And when he didn’t have any fights scheduled.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BINGO!!!
Barnett and Diaz would have pasts their tests too if they given right before the fight and not 3 or 4 weeks prior to the event.
The CSAC commission is using these “random” test to catch guys that are cycling….or whatever you want to call what Diaz is doing.
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by MyFistYourFace on Sep 3, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he calls it, “his medicine.” As in, “Hey baby, bring daddy his medicine so he can get SO FUCKED UP! WHEEEEE!”
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t he fight with a torn rotator cuff? Is a separated shoulder is worse than torn rotatator cuff?
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 3, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It can be definately be just as painful if it keeps happening
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be a case of apples and oranges.
If an injury stops you from training, then don’t fight, period. You won’t physically be able to compete.
If you get an injury just before the fight but have built up the fitness etc. to be able to perform while putting up with the pain, then fighting is an option.
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 4, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should also point out that he did pass pre-fight Nevada drug tests…but at the difference is those were scheduled. This random drug Test Cali does gives you I think 48 hours.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 3, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sean Sherk talks about how he does his own pre-testing now (video) [at the 3 min mark]
by Nick Thomas on Sep 3, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He could take the test anyway
even though he’s not fighting, to clear any clouds around his good name. But somehow I don’t think that will happen.
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by thetakeover on Sep 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"shouldn't have to"
He doesn’t have to. But for the sake of his reputation with fans, which is something he has worked hard to correct, it would be a smart play … assuming he would pass.
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by thetakeover on Sep 3, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see your point of view, but if he has huge qualms with CSAC in general i would think he wouldn’t want to conform to them for his fans sake… although i guess he could get tested by a third party in that case
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s stop mincing words: he wouldn’t pass. We all know that.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the kind of BS you continually spout. If this isn’t fighter bashing, I don’t know what is. The guy was guilty before. That doesn’t mean “we all know” he will be again.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Would you bet your life on it?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the best response you could come up with?
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that’s a no? You think he’d piss hot too?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I wouldn’t bet my life on just about anything.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But especially this. I mean, at this point his MOM probably thinks he’s roiding.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’m new and that guy defines trollish
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
we cut him a ton of slack cause he's been here forever
and is generally funny.
also he rarely even flirts with breaking rule #4.
also when a guy skips a drug test, they should expect some criticism.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except when it comes to steroids. Then his tinfoil hat comes out.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it’s a wacky conspiracy theory to think that a known steroid user named “the muscle shark” skipped a drug test because he might have been doing the thing he was suspended for.
I’m Cah-razy!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, you make the same implication in the article, yes?
And look: if the guy has been found to have roided and been suspended for it, it’s not fighter bashing to say he’s a steroid user – it’s just a statement of fact.
Do I have tape of him getting butt injections? No – but my neighbors kid got out of jail for burglary a few years ago and within two days two guys tried to break into my house. He got locked up a week later (unrelated charge) and no crime on my block since. Can I be sure it was him under the hood? Nope – not enough light under my back porch. But I’d be a fool to invite him over for dinner.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, the whole point of this argument is that everyone thinks it’s steroids, right? I mean, Kid Nate makes that point in the article!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy did pass a lie detector. If he was telling the truth that he did not inject steroids, he has every right to not want to fight in CA.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Sep 3, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that he has every right not to fight in CA. And the fight was moved from another card into Cali. But why not just say “I’m not going to fight in Cali”, to the UFC instead of all this stuff?
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. This just adds fuel that he cycles.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 3, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lie detector is total bullshit. Not even admissable in court.
Yes, he has every right not to fight in California. But why let people believe he had every intention of fighting on a card and then pull out once a drug test gets brought up?
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by thetakeover on Sep 3, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lie detectors
are not admissible in legal proceedings because they’re about as accurate and meaningful as phrenology (the pseudo-science of predicting criminal behavior based on head shape).
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee Murray does have a weird head.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You would say that. You have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter.
by nottheface on Sep 3, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
logical explination
as to why the axe murder is so
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 3, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
phrenology
is also the worst Roots album ever put out
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you hated that album? you crazy.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its still good, but not the quality i’d like it to be
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty mediocre album actually. They haven’t impressed me in a very long time!
by frickshun on Sep 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The guy did pass alie detectorpolygraph examination.”
I fixed it for you too.
There’s no such thing as a lie detector. I say this having passed 4 of them for my job.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL – yeah right. If he fought for Strikeforce you’d be so far down his throat.
Be objective, the guy is a proven CHEAT – this whole thing is a pretty sadly transparent end around a random drug test that he didn’t have time to “prepare” for in advance.
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 3, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lie detectors are not admissible as evidence in court. Would you like to know why?
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 3, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not understand why we are giving
a fighter who no-shows for a random drug test! Even if he is injured & pulls out, why would he not want to clear his name by actually testing & giving a doctors report of what PRESCRIBED medication he is taking? I give no passes to anyone who ducks a random drug test. If you are clean, then you go & you test negative. If you decide to skip a random drug test, one can only infer that you do not want to be tested. It is that simple.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giving a pass
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, if he’s legit injured, you think the CSAC wants to spend the money to do the test? For no reason, since he’s not fighting?
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, even if they do, do you think Zuffa wants to pay the bill for Sherk to get tested when he’s not even fighting?
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you do realize that in every major sport
athletes are still subject to random testing whether they are on the disabled list or not.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t every other sport. You don’t need a license to play baseball in California.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a member of an organization
& it does not matter where you play at dude.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s an independent contractor, currently fighting for an organization. Different. There’s no onus on Zuffa, the CSAC, or anyone to put up money for Sean Sherk to get tested for no reason. That’s on him.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord man.
You need to think about what you are saying. It is not about the onus being on anyone. If you say you are innocent THEN YOU DONT DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS!!!
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You notice at the start, I said “if he’s legit injured”. You’re talking about him ducking the test. I’m talking about him taking the test even though he’s not fighting. We missed each other’s points, it seemed.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be clear, your original statement was
Even if he is injured & pulls out, why would he not want to clear his name by actually testing…
This is what I was disputing.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw your point & I stand by mine.
If I was “unfairly” given a dirty UA, I would make sure to not add fuel to the fire by skipping a random UA.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which still makes no sense, since no one will want to pay for a test that is completely inconsequential. We’ll agree to disagree.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
golf doesnt i think?
and football only randomly tests for PEDS, not marijuana
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about golf,
but all of the big four (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL) all test for all illegal drugs & PEDS, & yes marijuana is on there.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think they only have scheduled tests for anything not PED in football and basketball, because Tim Duncan and a bunch of other bball players have said that they regularly smoke
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying that they smoke does not mean they
are not tested. There were 3 or 4 rookies in the NBA that were suspended a year or so ago for weed. I have no idea about how often those tests are administered, or if the players get a heads up (which is likely for a lot of sports) but they are tested.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
beasley and someone else
Got suspended for possession at rookie wkend, not a test
by amadeus on Sep 3, 2009 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right,
so we can strike weed from the list. But there are loads of guys who were suspended for other substances.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people constantly compare combat sports (MMA, boxing) to team sports, where there’s little to no basis for comparison?
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not comparing the sports man.
This is simply about the testing. Why do you think that MMA fighters should not be tested the same way any other pro athlete is?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about missing the point ENTIRELY.
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you care about someone paying the bill man?
This is about people making stupid decisions by taking banned substances (repeatedly).
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
we are not talking about CSAC wasting their money testing him. We are talking about Sherk skipping the test.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re getting high and mighty about Sherk proving to the world he’s clean, and your answer isn’t logical in the least.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
High & mighty?
If I was tested & it came back dirty & I was fighting that claim stating I was clean, then the very last thing that I would want to do would be to skip a random drug test. And how is my answer not logical? Repeat offenders should never skip a drug test, if nothing else than just to avoid the appearance of using.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, it’s illogical because HE’S NOT FIGHTING. No one wants to go through all the work for something that means nothing.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but many suspect
that the reason he isn’t fighting is the random drug test.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand that. But he’s found a creative solution to get out of that. Going forward with the testing is pointless now.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"But he’s found a creative solution to get out of that"
This is the most intelligent thing you have wrote on here.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say this for sherk, for a guy who moved heaven and earth just to prove his innocence, skipping a random drug test seems kind of odd. He stated in interviews that he didn’t feel he got a fair shake from the previous regime and would like to re-open his case. He wants to go through this again because it affecting his wallet, like supplement companies refusing to sponsor him
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 3, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"like supplement companies refusing to sponsor him"
Exactly, & how will this news affect any future sponsorship offers or those he is trying to get back?
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then maybe “injured” or not the fighter who is subject to a random test should still be required to submit to testing to avoid this"so called “creative solution”.
His whole – “I’m injured and not fighting, so I’m not taking this random and rather inconvenient drug test” sets off a lot of alarm bells.
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 3, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you require an unlicensed fighter to take a test when he’s not actively pursuing a license in that state? I agree that it’s a loophole, but it’s not something easily corrected. It opens up a lot of doors.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pissing in a cup.
Man I do not blame him for not wanting to go thru all that work. My point is that Sherk claimed he was clean & they fucked up his test. So he should have mgmt telling him that blowing off this test was a dumb fucking move.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say all of Sean Sherk’s hard work. I’m saying all the works that’s done to conduct the testing.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone that fails a test says they are clean, and the commission fucked up their test.. i don’t think barnett has come clean yet has he? he’s still denying
by kanodogg on Sep 3, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the real question is
is he roiding again or roiding still
by kanodogg on Sep 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Speaking of Sherk
He’s out of UFC 104….Josh Neer is in.
http://www.fightlinker.com/sherk-out-neer-in.mma
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by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
....I'm late to the party.
But Penn vs. Sanchez is set for UFC 107!!!
What? Late for that too?
Well….damn.
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by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess no TV deal for Dana.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well they didn’t say if it was going to be on ppv or not so there is still that glimmer of hope
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by lovingmma25 on Sep 3, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Sick card if it’s on MTV or wherever.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I was thinking, no TV deal for November. It makes sense. A TV deal needs 3 months worth of preparation and advertising. November would be too close.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 3, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know the specifics of how it works, but that would make sense. Why move BJ/Diego to 107 and off 105 then? Because BJ won’t fight in the UK?
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by Beer Monster on Sep 3, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The moment they announced Sherk to fight at UFC 104, I knew there was going to be drama the CSAC did Sherk dirty it’s not a surprise he never wants to fight in Cali again.
by Raker on Sep 3, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there ought to
be some kind of punishment for previous offenders who refuse to take a random test,
some kind of suspension,
i’m sick and tired of all these athletes claiming “tainted supplements” everytime they get caught roiding
by theblade on Sep 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
guess someone did not learn his lesson the first time lol
by DJ Soma on Sep 4, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's crazy about this to me
…is that none of this can be a surprise to Sean. I mean, he heard about Diaz and Barnett. And while people are saying that he didn’t want to fight in California, he must have submitted an application or they wouldn’t be testing him, right?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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