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Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira's Excuses and Frank Mir's Rants Spark Interest in Rematch

Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira and Randy "The Natural" Couture's showdown at UFC 102 was a match-up that was years in the making, and it had fans on the edge of their seats in terms of excitement and pure entertainment. It all came to fruition on Saturday with Nogueira answering critics by showing a granite chin, great boxing skills, and a nullifying ground game to defeat Couture via unanimous decision. In the wake of the win, media began to wonder... where was this "Minotauro" in the Frank Mir fight at UFC 92?

The most interesting part about the media questioning following the event is that either most of them brushed off Nogueira's excuses at UFC 92 because "fighters never fight at 100%" or they were completely ignorant to the fact that Nogueira had already mentioned all of the injuries following his loss to Mir. In any case, there seems to be some intrigue to the argument that the staph infection that hospitalized Nogueira and the subsequent knee injury created his terrible performance, and it's pissing Frank Mir off.

Now, the media is beginning to fuel this desire for a rematch between Nogueira and Mir, whether they actually believe they are or not. Why the sudden interest? It's obvious that the difference in the performances from UFC 92 and UFC 102 is huge, and that's where the debate begins to truly rear its head. While Mir talks about how Nogueira is a "crybaby", many people are beginning to realize that  fighters who fight with a few bumps, bruises, and strains isn't the same as having a completely torn meniscus and a debilitating staph infection in the preceding weeks to UFC 92 that actually hospitalized Nogueira. "Toughing it out" as Frank Mir would tell you isn't really an option in that case, yet Nogueira actually did that with horrible results.

But hey, this might be a good thing for the UFC. Now, the MMA media is shedding some light on these problems that Nogueira had, and it's bringing some heat from Frank Mir as he's now asking for a rematch to prove that he can easily crush Nogueira for a second time. Of course, his cocky attitude is making him come off as the ultimate heel in the debate, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing if you want to sell the fight to fans.

The clash of views among fans has also brought about some interesting topics. Why is Mir suddenly right in saying you shouldn't talk down opponent's victories when he did the same thing in the Brandon Vera bout? Why is it that some fans think most Brazilian fighters seem to make excuses following losses? The list of questions goes on and on, and those questions will only grow if Mir continues his campaign against Nogueira.

Regardless of what you think, Nogueira's comments and Mir's responses aren't anything new to the sport. Both men are striving for a rematch, but it's obvious that Mir's grand statements are intended to bring some heat to this possible rematch. While Nogueira's injuries probably affected his performance significantly, he did choose to fight that night. That still doesn't wipe away the fact that he was visibily lethargic in comparison to the Couture fight, and the fact that he still has terrible head movement. I imagine we'll see a whole lot more of Mir being disrespectful toward Nogueira as a lead-up to a potential rematch. Mir will just need to avoid being decimated by Kongo's hands first.

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hey, i noticed your past few posts have been straight to the main page… nice. :)

and about the post:

Why is Mir suddenly right in saying you shouldn’t talk down opponent’s victories when he did the same thing in the Brandon Vera bout?

cause it’s now his win that is getting discredited by people.. I guess he has this need to legitimize his victories, and down play his losses.. haha

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that’s the general argument, but a lot of people are also saying that it isn’t the same because Mir came back and said a bunch of cliche BS about how he would just come back “stronger”.

I find that a bit ridiculous. So, Nogueira just needs to say he’ll come back stronger, and all is fine? Makes no sense to me.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, I think Mir talks too much...

He has been very respectful to Nog before their fight, but after, he’s become an even more arrogant and big headed..

I thought it was just cause he was against Lesnar, but now, he’s still talking and is even disrespecting his “idol”..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s because after the second Lesnar fight people immediately started to write him off. So he figures he needs to stay in the headlines

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 3, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was just thinking that

all he’s actually doing is making everyone see clearer than ever before, anything after the bell that does happen to him, wether its a finger in his face, or a fist

is all on his own head, the man is as antagonistic as they come, yet he still gets the coverage..

F him, let him talk some more, and see if he does tare one of silva’s arms off

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by blubber_guard on Sep 3, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say have them rematch, it will be much better for everybody, Nog’s haters and fans included. It will give the chance for Nog to erase the loss, and a chance for the title.

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leland,

off topic, but have you seen this:

http://fightpassport.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=37

it’s manhoef’s 5 yr old kid hitting the pads

by Headkick on Sep 3, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully Manhoef is smart and is also putting this kid in a bjj school.

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be no fun… knockouts or bust.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure the rematch will happen...

Kongo is going to give Mir problems.

by Razzel on Sep 3, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

seriously, they should scratch that fight, are there that many interested in that fight?

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could live without it. Lets just find out who the best HW striker is and put Kongo against the CC/Dos Santos winner.

by Razzel on Sep 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could live without it too. I think just umping straight into a Nog/Mir rematch, and putting Kongo up against another striker would make for more entertaining matches.

by Hardcase on Sep 3, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am..

It will answer A LOT of questions on both fighters..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am, of course. I think it will be lol worthy, I think mir will get his ass handled to him if he still think his stand up is godly. But if he get a grip and wisely, it won’t be much fun.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Sep 3, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“and wisely” —> “and FIGHT wisely”

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Sep 3, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t like the idea, because if Mir loses, than we can kiss goodbye to a rematch with Big Nog anytime soon if Nog keeps winning.

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Mir can’t beat Kongo he doesn’t deserve to fight Minotauro again.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

And guess what… shit will hit the fan then. Mir will rant like crazy if Nogueira says something to that effect, and I’ll laugh.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’d love to see that happen haha..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for sure, it’s going to be the worst scenario if Mir loses, Nog keeps winning, and we’ll never know how this fight would have ended without a Nog that is hooked on staph (I may know, but it won’t be legit).

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Mir loses to Kongo… and even better, Nog beats Kongo down the road, and Mir is so far out of the top that he can’t even justify a rematch at that point. Mir’s anger would be insane.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest problem is that Nog won’t have the opportunity to take that fight back. It’s going to be stuck on his record forever. If this was Pride it wouldn’t be a problem because they’d always find a way to make that fight happen, but in the UFC (and rightly so), it just won’t happen.

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MIr’s wrestling isn’t good at all, so if Kongo learns from his fight with Velasquez then I think we are going to see a big KO from the Frenchman. However Kongo couldn’t help going into the clinch each time he rocked Cain, so I’m not sure how wiling he is to adjust his style.

Makings of a classic striker v. grappler contest.

by ludakrish on Sep 3, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not if Mir can get Kongo to the ground. Of course, getting it there is going to be the problem.

by chrisbboy82 on Sep 3, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mir should focus on Kongo more. Overlooking the opponent in front of you, in favor of focusing on Anderson Silva and Big Nog, is a sure way to lose a fight he should be the favorite in. And if he loses to Kongo, that kills a lot of interest in a rematch with Nog.

I get he’s not happy about what might be the biggest win of his career being discredited, but you can see Nog was visibly debilitated in that fight. It’s no different than Mir when he chocked up many of his bad performances to his motorcycle accident.

by Hardcase on Sep 3, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t get how there can be any doubt about this.

He goes from looking like he ought to be fighting Mark Kerr to dominating a guy who lasted longer against Lesnar than Mir did… of course the hospitalization had everything to do with why he looked terrible.

And yes, the f’ing injuries make Mir’s victory look less impressive. Sorry. I never got what people thought was so awesome about Mir’s performance in the first place. He was throwing combos against a zombie. BFD.

by toxic on Sep 3, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I generally agree that fighters fight at a less than optimal 100%, but in this case… it’s different. Mir always says shit like “bumps, bruises, and pain”, but staph and a torn meniscus is completely different. I agree with everything you said.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mir says alot more then that.I recall alot of times in past interviews the excuses he has
used for his 2 losses to Marcio Cruz and Vera and his horrible Win against Dan Christison . Lets see he has said he came back to way to early from the accident. He was not taking training hard
and seriously at that time in his life. O Yeah he was also hooked on pain killers and drinking and thats why he looked to bad then.. If I am not misteken he even said these things in the UFC countdown show and so did his wife leading up to the 2nd Lesnar fight ?

 not taking training seriously

by Shocbomb on Sep 3, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it fighter bashing to say I hate Frank Mir?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

No. I hate Frank Mir as well, but I won’t go into detail.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things you totally didn't need to say.

Both because it absolutely murders your credibility, and it’s completely obvious.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t even argue with this. Murders my credibility to what? Any article I write in the future that talks up Mir’s opponent? I try to give an unbiased view when doing preview articles, but I’m mainly an op/ed writer. My opinion is what is conveyed in those articles. I don’t necessarily hate Mir I guess, but I dislike his attitude. I don’t consider myself biased in hating on him for his comments though because I can see why he’s doing it.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, it appears that you do hate him. Don’t backpedal now, Leland.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so if he dislikes Mir, yet writes unbiased articles about anything MMA,

his credibility is shot? why? MMA writers can’t be fans too? But isn’t that why they’re writing in the first place?

is it wrong for them to like one fighter, or hate another, as long as when it comes to writing everything remains completely unbiased and professional?

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Show me the post where Ariel Helwani or Mike Chiappetta state which fighters they hate. Heck, Kevin Iole knows better. Or let’s take off the gloves: Dave Meltzer.

Wait, you think he ACTUALLY writes unbiased articles? Maybe that’s just because you don’t like Mir – wait until Leland tackles somebody you disagree with him on. This kind of continuously biased reporting (witness yesterday’s post about Mir from Nick Thomas that completely misstated Mir’s comments until I bitched) sure isn’t making a strong case for BE as a serious news site.

But if you think that it’s okay for him to hate him, witness his tripping all over himself to take it back in this very thread. Why do you think that is?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, why are you so overly critical in trying to make me look bad over a Frank Mir comment? Is there some vindictive nature to this tirade? I can’t backpedal and say that “hate” was an overstatement on my part. Do you not forgive anyone for a misusage of a word? What’s your deal?

Furthermore, this is an op/ed piece. We report serious news, but we also write op/ed pieces. Even furthermore, I represented a lot of angles in this story anyways, so I fail to see how I’m being overly biased anywhere.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m an admitted Mir nuthugger, but I’ve never, ever had a problem with the news or any of the other reporting about him here. Legitimate differences of opinion, sure. But biased reporting? Give me a break.

It’s one thing to be a fan of the guy, but you’ve got to be either a) Frank Mir or b) fan in the fanatical sense of the word if you don’t realize that some… scratch that, a lot of his comments are going to rub people the wrong way.

by kid_eh on Sep 3, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a fan of Mir. I’m LESS of a fan of Brock, but I’m not a Frank fan in the slightest.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, his problem is that I said it publicly. That and he seems to think the article is supposed to be a news story on the wire or something.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true, this stuff would never go out of the news wire
“Mir will rant like crazy if Nogueira says something to that effect, and I’ll laugh.”
“Yeah, Mir loses to Kongo… and even better, Nog beats Kongo down the road, and Mir is so far out of the top that he can’t even justify a rematch at that point. Mir’s anger would be insane.”
“No. I hate Frank Mir as well, but I won’t go into detail.”

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s because it isn’t a NEWS story, it has my own commentary in it.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s pointless debating jemaleddin, it won’t get anywhere. The dude just wants to have the last word on everything, makes him look like a tool if you ask me… but then, his reply would probably be “look at my recs!”

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because you can’t seem to think of a way to form an argument doesn’t mean I’m unreasonable. :-)

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the real problem is you guys don’t understand the concept of an op/ed piece. He’s not writing for the AP here.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yes, I'm the one who doesn't get journalism

Have you noticed that the reporters and op/ed people at ACTUAL news organizations are separate? Why do you think that is?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So your implication is that somehow this website has a heavy anti Frank Mir bias because one of the reporters said they didn’t like Frank Mir? You’re either a troll or just have no grasp on reality.

by Jason H. on Sep 3, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m being called a troll by somebody who signed up last month? Get outta here.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you noticed this is NOT an actual news organization, it’s an MMA blog?

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

….that bitches about not getting press credentials.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe their beef is that NO blog gets credentialed, not just BE.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they want a press pass too, yes?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, dude, my responses to you are down to a “must to” situation. so, have at it, you won’t get that many replies from me unless they are necessary.

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you’re just being hurtful.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh… I’m sorry jemaleddin, was I too rough on you?

Did I hurt you on the inside???

JK, I know you’re being sarcastic as well.

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m gonna cry.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A piece speculating that one person’s comments were creating interest in a hypothetical event also wouldn’t go out on a news wire. They’d go in the Editorial section, where expressing you bias openly would be welcome by most people.

by kid_eh on Sep 3, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tell that to fox news :P

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that’s an entirely different debate.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn the rules! JK

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or MSNBC, CNN, ABC,NBC,CBS, etc…

by jrobb20 on Sep 3, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but not as much…

by orcus on Sep 3, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We never see our own biases.

Maybe I’m just busting your balls because just as BE is starting to break out of the MMA news ghetto and into becoming a major site we’ve got

  • Rome’s even more biased reporting,
  • Nick’s collection of sexist animated gifs,
  • Luke’s “don’t criticize Fedor” ban-hammering, and
  • Nate’s refusal to give commenters the same leeway with jokes he gives himself.

It’s starting to grate.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can have your legitimate gripes about whatever you want. But I see my own biases all the time, specifically the fact that I’m an over-the-top Melvin Manhoef fan who understands the fact that he has no ground game, but you don’t see me putting him in top ten lists.

I don’t like Frank Mir very much due to his attitude, but this story was merely based on the fact that the media has suddenly grown to push a lot of attention onto the staph issue when it wasn’t huge when it was first reported. If I write a story about how Nogueira is a much more charitable fighter because “he isn’t a dick like Mir”, you can bitch me out.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you hate the writers here so much there are plenty more unbiased and credible sources out there like Sherdog, MMA Bay, and Five Ounces of Pain if you prefer. Nobody forces you to come here and read these articles.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want to leave.

I want BE to be better.

But it can’t be until the mods admit that sometimes they ARE the problem.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate had already said in the past that he is a fan first and foremost and he does this be aide it’s fun, not to try and become some sort of online celebrity. If you can’t accept that I don’t know what to tell you.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Ask Luke if that’s his vision.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I don’t want to leave, because then where would I get attention from trolling!”

by Jason H. on Sep 3, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please don’t act like you know anything about this site until you’ve made more than a dozen comments.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow dude,

you are on a roll here.. It starts from Leland saying he dislikes Mir.. in the comments no less.. Now he loses credibility, then you twist all the stuff he says and blow everything out of proportion..

then you go on into this tirade, and accuse even more staff members of being biased, and sexist..

Reading your comments in this thread, you just sound like you’re trying to piss off all the Mods..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously: I just want this site to live up to its aspirations. That’s it.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Backpedal… alright. I don’t really “hate” Mir. I hate the Detroit Red Wings, I hate the Green Bay Packers, and I hate the St. Louis Cardinals, but saying I hate Mir… probably an overstatement. I simply dislike Mir’s cocky attitude, but I can see multiple reasons as to why he does it. Insecurity, or maybe he’s trying to play the heel.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s okay Leland. Better that your biases be out on the table so we can deal with them and read your articles with that knowledge than to have you pretending to be okay with Mir while consistently trying to take away from his wins and showcase his losses.

Man, if a guy who wins the UFC HW belt at 25 and has recent wins over two champs can’t get a break around here, I wonder who what it takes to get some respect.

Oh wait, that’s obvious too. Never mind.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s okay Leland. Better that your biases be out on the table so we can deal with them and read your articles with that knowledge than to have you pretending to be okay with Mir while consistently trying to take away from his wins and showcase his losses.

I don’t see the problem here. My opinion is that Mir didn’t take on the best Nogueira by any means, and that the staph infection/knee injury DID affect the outcome of that fight. What’s wrong with my stance on that? Why can I not have an opinion? Because I don’t like Mir’s attitude? So what… that has nothing to do with my view of the fight. The point of view comes from observing both the Mir and Couture fights.

But hey, continue being condescending… for no reason at all other than to be unfriendly for no other reason than you disagree with someone’s stance.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he IS frank mir..

hahahhaha.

just ignore him leland… he’s obviously just trying to piss people off.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 3, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit! You knew!

[mission impossible-style face rip-off]

I’ll get you weo^3! And your little dog, too!

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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Frank Mir.

In the face.

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by a tommy point on Sep 3, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“they were completely ignorant to the fact that Nogueira had already mentioned all of the injuries following his loss to Mir.”

You’re being VERY generous in your phrasing. What you mean is that a few days after his loss his camp started talking about the staph infection. A few weeks after that, his camp mentioned his knee. Nog didn’t go on record until much later.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I fail to see how that matters at all. The whole statement is in regards to the fact that it is suddenly garnering much more attention NOW than it ever did in the weeks following the Mir fight because most people took Mir’s comments that fighters fight at less than 100% all the time as gospel, when it isn’t.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It matters because if he had gone into the fight saying, “I’m not 100%” or even said that in the week after the fight, it might have a shred of bearing. But when it comes out that much later? Excuses.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily because his camp was the leak of that information, and Nogueira may have not wanted that information coming out, but then after seeing such a profoundly different Nogueira against Couture… it’s suddenly a hot topic among media?

You wouldn’t need to say you weren’t 100% going into the fight if you believed everything Mir said… because hey… everyone goes in less than 100%.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that you're so hung up on Mir's statements since...

Nog did say he was doing great going into the fight. What do we call that?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How am I hung up on Frank Mir’s statements? I think you are misunderstanding nearly everything I come back with, and then you turn it into some sort of strange twist.

My original statement stands. Your counter-argument is that Nogueira IS making excuses. We disagree completely. Agree to disagree because I’m not following what you’re arguing. You’re saying that if he actually made the comment before the fight or quickly after the fight, it’d have some bearing, but since it is now… it has no bearing? I don’t see how that even works out to that logic. What if Nogueira was simply prideful and didn’t want to disclose that, and after the impressive victory over Couture, media was asking him about why he looked rather bland in the Mir fight?

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Why would Nog come put before the fight and say he is hurt? So Mir would know exactly how to attack him? That would be completely stupid.

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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Nog take the fight at all if he were, to quote an unbiased observer, “barely 50%” of his regular fighting shape?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The barely 50% quote got me the most. Seriously Leland, where did that number come from?

by filipinomix2oo0 on Sep 3, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fandom

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, what would you call… hospitalized with a staph infection that drains the energy out of you, then coming back and trying to train after getting over such an infection only to tear your meniscus. I’m sorry, but from my viewpoint… that’s 50%. I suppose you could stretch it to 75%, but that’s my opinion.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST

Really? 50%? 75%? What are you measuring?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s merely a matter of opinion.

I would think those injuries would easily incapacitate somebody to 3/4 to 1/2 of their ability. That’s all the statement means. I see you’re getting pretty huffy over it though, so I’ll refrain from commenting further before you’re head explodes.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it’s something you pulled out of the air.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you say…

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, doc. We get it, you hate Frank Mir and want to completely discredit his win over Nogueira.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Sep 3, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Frank Mir’s cocky attitude, and I won’t COMPLETELY discredit his win. I think Nogueira’s non-existent head movement was a huge plus for Mir teeing off on him, and it could very well be Nogueira’s downfall against a guy like Mir.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 3, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe because he took the fight literally months before he got hurt and he felt pressure not to pull out because it was the co-main event of the year’s biggest PPV and the culmination of the season of TUF?

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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Then the loss is 100% his responsibility. Yes? I mean, even moreso than if he had fought healthy and loss, if he took the fight knowing he was too sick, then he’s a) horrifyingly unaware, b) someone who can’t be trusted to fight healthy, and c) probably a guy who lied on his medicals to the commission. How else do you get certified with a bum knee and a crippling staph infection?

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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t “take” the fight when he was sick, he took the fight months earlier before they started filming TUF. And I would be willing to bet that a TON of fighters lie on their medicals, nobody goes into a fight 100% healthy.

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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well shit, if a bunch of fighters jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, so should Nog!

And by “taking a fight” I of course meant “fighting the fight.” But you knew that.

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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always felt Mir was vastly overrated

(k-1 level stand-up?! If you’re talking Akebono then maybe yeah…), and doesn’t come off very well in interviews.

 And for him of all people to bash Nog for making excuses is pretty mind-boggling (someone in another comments thread said that it probably comes down to Mir being a rather insecure guy. I agree, but it doesn’t make him any more appealing).

by WanderleiNoooooo! on Sep 3, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see a rematch. I think Nogueira has warranted at least that, he did a terrific job against Couture. Frank Mir is obnoxious with a lot of the things he says and the way he always finds a way to give back handed compiments to great fighters. With that being said I think Mir wins the rematch, I think Nogueira looked just as slow against Randy as he did against Mir. Nog might have his strength back because he doesnt have Staph, but all that will allow him to do is take furthur abuse from Mir before the same result occurs.Mir is easy to bash because he seems to suck as a person, but he does have some skill.

by WeaponElDeem on Sep 3, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So after Tim Sylvia beat Brandon Vera, did he suddenly deserve a rematch against Couture? I mean didn’t he have major back surgery after the fight and use that as an EXCUSE for why he lost? How is this any different than Nogueira?

by filipinomix2oo0 on Sep 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The difference is people like to see Mir and Nogueria’s fights… anything Tim sylvia, not so much.

by pandaboy99 on Sep 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s the double standard right there. People like Nogueira so of course he deserves. Big Timmay, not so much.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Sep 3, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see Mir/Nog 2, since I think the second time around we’d see a much different fight. But I can’t really see Mir getting past Kongo. I have this image of Kongo bloodying up Mir’s face.

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by pud333 on Sep 3, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno heath herring was able to pound out a decision against kongo and kongo wont be able to hold down mir as effectively as lesnar did

by pandaboy99 on Sep 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly find it hard to believe that Frank Mir can watch his fight with Nog and think that that was him at 100%? Has he seen the guy fight before? Does he think his standup is just that phenomenal now that he could utterly destroy a fighter of Nog’s caliber at 100%? He’s either really good at promoting himself or living in dreamworld.

Mir’s status as a top HW has always been a product of the UFC marketing machine. He thrived in UFC’s HW division when it was incredibly weak, getting his title shot from beating Tank Abbot and Wes Sims (2x). His title shot came against Tim Sylvia, who pretty much beat everyone based on being 8 feet tall and having long lanky arms, and Mir got him in an armbar.

Comes back with embarassing losses to Pe De Pano and Brandon Vera, with a lackluster win over a TUF fighter in the middle.

The guy basically has 2 meaningful wins in his career…Brock, which was shown to be just him exploiting Brock’s inexperience at the ground game pretty clearly when Brock dominated him on the ground in fight 2, and Nog. He’s defending the Nog thing tooth and nail because it’s really the only reason he’s considered a top contender. I honestly think he was initially put in as a sacrificial lamb against Brock (like he was with Vera when they were trying to build him up at HW) and managed to actually pull out a win, so UFC made the best of it by putting him in some headline fights.

I doubt he’ll beat Kongo, and we’re not far away from Mir being well out of the top 10. Most everyone he’s ever beaten has failed out of the UFC, and once he starts consistently facing good competition his lack of completeness will show.

by Jason H. on Sep 3, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I use to like Frank Mir, but know i want someone to smash his face-in, way to cocky; and why does he need to be so cocky it’s not like you won your last fight any way!

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by Krawchuck on Sep 3, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He won’t beat KoNGo, take too many leg kicks
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by Krawchuck on Sep 3, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh frank mir and your percentages

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by Krawchuck on Sep 3, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So another day comes and another Nog excuse thread is made, it’s starting to become a horrible trend here on BE. I honestly don’t know what is worse really, the Nog fanboys making excuse after excuse to try and justify his destruction at the hands of Mir. Or the Mir haters irrational hatred of him and the fact that they reach like Mr. Fantastic to downplay all of his accomplishments.

Come to think of it both are equally pathetic and need to stop, it’s one thing to be a fan it’s another to become a delusional fanboy and not accept facts. Fact is Mir destroyed Nog end of story period, crying and bitching does nothing but make him and you look bad. Fact is just like I gave Brock his props for mauling Mir, Frank deserves his props for making a great comeback put the cheerleader pompom’s down and show some respect.

by Raker on Sep 3, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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