Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Drops Randy Couture and Can't Get the Gator Roll at UFC 102
At the close of his live blog of UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira our own Brent Brookhouse wrote:
I'll say it one more time, that was a special fight featuring two special fighters. I don't like to get too emotional on these liveblogs, but I feel honored to be writing about THIS fight on a site like Bloody Elbow.
Going into the event, fickle MMA fans pooed pooed Saturday's bout as a meaningless fight between two men who are too old, too slow and too battered to ever reattain the highest levels of the sport. That may be true, nonetheless, the UFC 102 headliner between Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira and Randy Couture was one of the best matches I've ever seen in any sporting venue. As Ed Keller put it at MMA Torch:
I thought the announcers, who are prone to overstatement and overhype by nature (especially Goldberg), undersold how good the Couture-Nogueira fight was. I had it at easily four stars and a Fight of the Year candidate, all things considered. I was about as sure as sure gets that Couture was seconds away from losing three times (twice on submissions, once on punches). I was very happy with how that fight played out. You couldn't have scripted that to be better and more dramatic for a 30-27 fight in the sense that Couture almost lost several times, but looked totally respectable in the process because his escapes were Houdini-worthy, and then he ends up on top at the end. Plus, for those who have dreamed about this fight for years, it delivered both the stand-up and the ground fighting that you'd have wanted to see from both men. A dream match that absolutely lived up to its billing.
The fight was so great I had to break it up into multiple Judo Chops. In the full entry we'll talk about the highlights from round 1, including Nogueira's powerful combinations standing and Couture's incredible escape from fully locked on D'arce Choke, plus we'll go into the difference between a D'arce (or Brabo) choke and an anaconda choke.
First up, we've got one of the many great punching exchanges of the first round. This is one of the few exchanges of the fight where Couture didn't score with his initial 1-2. According to CompuStrike, Couture landed 34 punches out of 62 thrown for a 53% accuracy rate. Nogueira went 24/59 for a 37% rate. Unfortunately for Couture, when Big Nog did connect it tended to be in powerful combinations like the one we see here.
Couture opens the exchange with a jab that Nog slips by moving his head to his right. As Couture follows up with a right uppercut to Nog's chin, Nogueira lands with a four punch combination. Throwing short hooks, Nog catches mostly shoulder with his lefts but tags Randy with two hard right hooks to the temple that drop him. This is a great display of punching in the pocket punching from Nogueira. All it takes is a considerable amount of skill, a little bit of balls and a whole lot of chin.
Here we have Nogueira's follow up. Like any top level fighter, Nogueira has killer instinct and when he sees his opponent stunned, he goes in for the kill. In this instance, he looks to apply a D'arce choke. (More info on the D'arce choke at the bottom of this entry).He gets his body at a 90 degree angle from Couture's and drives his right arm under Couture's left armpit and up under his throat. He locks his hands in a "Gable Grip" as he works to pull his right arm through.
What he's wanting to do is get his right arm in deep enough that he can grab the crook of his left arm in a figure four grip like we see in the gif on the right. Here's Luke Thomas talking about the move:
Nogueira has the choke locked up like that with the grasp fully sunk in, grabbing his own bicep and driving his chest or shoulder down on top of Couture. It's tight but not tight enough to tap a good opponent like Couture. So to finish Nogueira wants to roll into the choke (onto his back) to get on his hip to the point where the opposite hip is on the ground so he can then walk into the Couture to finish.
Couture spreads his base out and lowers his hips which makes it harder for Nog to twist. This comes from wrestling where guys drill being on their hands and knees and maintaining a very low center of gravity to make it hard for their opponent to roll them over for the pin.
To the left we see the death struggle. Nogueira with the choke locked in tight -- his right forearm is cutting off Couture's right carotid artery and his chest is pressing Couture's left arm into the artery on the other side. As Luke said, against a determined and skilled opponent like Couture, Nogueira has to roll over to tighten the choke enough to force the tap. It's called a Gator Roll after the behavior of alligators who roll over and over in the water with prey locked in their jaws.
But Couture just will not go over. The magnitude of this feat really needs to be understood. This isn't just anyone's D'arce Choke to Gator Roll that Couture is resisting here, it's Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira the most successful submission artist in MMA history. And Nogueira may have indeed lost some speed and reaction time, but I guarantee you his choke is as tight and powerful as ever. Not to mention that Randy got in this position as a result of eating two right hooks to the temple.
Note that Couture is putting his left hand on his ear. This changes the position of his left arm (which is being used to cut off one of his arteries) and helps keep the blood flowing to his brain.
This is where Nogueira realizes he isn't going to be able to budge Couture and gives up the choke. He immediately tries to reassert head control of Couture, but nothing doing and Randy sprang to his feet where he went on to close the round with some fine dirty boxing that battered Nogueira in the clinch.
Here's Joe D'Arce talking about the choke that bears his name:
Here's Michael David Smith talking to Joe D'arce about the move:
But when people speak of the D'Arce choke, they usually don't pronounce it the way Joe D'Arce pronounces his name. Joe's surname is pronounced "dee-R-see," but almost everyone -- including Joe D'Arce himself -- pronounces the choke like it rhymes with "farce."
"The person who really made that choke popular on the West Coast was a jiu jitsu coach named Marc Laimon," D'Arce said.
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The choke (which you can see illustrated here or in an instructional video here) is also referred to as the Brabo choke, but Joe D'Arce doesn't use either name.
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The D'Arce choke is sort of a reverse of the anaconda choke.
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Laimon has also added his own first name to D'Arce's surname to provide the name for a less common variation of the D'Arce choke, called the M'Arce choke.
"A M'Arce choke is actually a transition that Marc Laimon came up with," Joe D'Arce said. "It's a way to end up in the same finishing position, but Marc put his own little touch on it. I really like it. It's a good set-up."
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I hate the new youtube policy, I can’t see some of the videos due to my region, suddenly the world wide web became very small for some of us :’(
Simple D’Arce vs. Anaconda difference is that when you go in for an Anaconda choke you dive your bicep in and pull the opponents outside arm inside to compact the shoulder against the neck and then you hold your other bicep with the hand you’ve put inside. A D’Arce has you dive your arm in at an angle under the opponents near arm and over to the other side where you then complete the choke by holding your bicep on the other arm which is placed over the back of your opponents head.
Reading that is probably confusing, but oh well haha, essentially a D’Arce is just an Anaconda with the first step backwards.
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the rule of thumb I've been wrestling with is this
tell me if it doesn’t work (and if not, why):
1) if it’s an Anaconda the grip will be on the side of the choke with the arm in
2) if it’s a D’arce choke the grip will be on the side of the choke directly against the neck.
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I’d say “2) if it’s a D’arce choke the grip will be on the side of the choke directly against the neck.” should be “2) if it’s a D’arce choke the grip will be on the side of the choke without the arm in.” but yeah that’s a pretty good rule of thumb, that covers the big difference, ending hand placement and “insertion angle” (lol) are the smaller details.
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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like it when you chime on on Jitz technique threads! Keep it up.
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 4, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm curious
if the Gator Roll is something that originated in wrestling and was incorporated into BJJ submissions, or was it always a part of the submissions and wrestling just happened to already have a name for it?
I believe they both evolved separately, it wasn’t something that originated in one and went to the other, it was a technique that both styles came to independent of one another. It’s called a gator roll here in America because of the wrestling but I believe it’s referred to as an Anaconda roll in Brazil etc, I could be wrong but that’s just what I hear the Brazilians call it constantly.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s important to note by the way that it’s used in a lot of techniques in order to ratchet a choke in (see: Arm Triangle) as well as a whole boat load of collar/lapel chokes in the gi.
So yeah I wouldn’t say it came from any one specific source and went to another.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Christ I can’t believe people actually give star ratings to MMA matches. Hopefully this will soon be followed by talk about ‘build’ and ‘psychology’.
I am not a fan of star ratings in MMA or even professional wrestling. The sites that I know that use them are f4wonline, pwtorch, and the mmatorch. One of the biggest problems is that many of these people who put in star ratings don’t really have a criteria for what constitutes a five star match. In professional wrestling, Meltzer wouldn’t give five stars to any matches in North America until CM Punk vs Samoa Joe. In MMA, I don’t know if he has given any fight five stars. The other thing that I don’t like is that they will use half a star, or 3/4 of a star, or some other fraction of a star. I just can’t understand how that works.
It was a great fight, but at the same time it was a 30-27 fight in which it was clear Couture didn’t have the knockout power either on the feet or from top position to finish the fight. All three rounds were competitive and contained numerous examples of high-level transitions, sweeps, etc. Don’t get me wrong, it was a great fight worthy of headlining a UFC PPV, but for me the lack of uncertainty in the outcome takes this a notch down from other great fights. Forrest/Rampage may not have shown us the same high level skill demonstration, but the fact that I was on the edge of my seat all the way until the final judge’s score was announced made it a better fight, just to use an example.
dang, i love these judo chops. it makes me wish i was more keen and analytic on what is happening during fights. i love the ground game more so than the standup game. joe rogan helps a bunch, but i enjoy these insights. keep them coming Kid!
Find a local jiu jitsu school and start up, it will blow your mind.
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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks man
will do.
I’ve learned a ton since I started doing these (and reading the Victory Belt books) never realized how much it would enhance my viewing experience to know more about what’s going on.
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Yeah I definitely love these, probly my favorite part of the site, I love talking shop and going over little details on techniques like this stuff, kudos Nate.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Them Victory Belt books
are THE top of the line books when it comes to MMA edumacation. i only have a couple books, but the quality of these books blows everything else out of the water. i don’t train BJJ or anything, so flipping through these are the next best thing.
Go train! Trust me. The books are great for learning some of the stuff but actually rolling is unparalleled.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, i know what you mean. I just got to find the time and the money. I’m in the Southern California area, do you happen to know of any good schools (i know there are Gracie Barra’s, but besides that)?
SoCal has a bajillion and a half schools and so very many of them are amazing.
Because I know the guy and he visits the school I’m at pretty often I gotta suggest NewBreed Jiu Jitsu in Santa Fe Springs (which is in SoCal if I’m correct). The instructors there are Johnny Ramirez (certified bad ass) and John Ouano (certified surfing bad ass). Both of them are awesome, Ramirez runs the lower belt classes if I recall right and from what I gathered from him his classes go:
Warm Up / Conditioning (Ramirez runs some pretty tough warm ups, but that’s good)
2-4 techniques (Usually a sweep, escape, submission, and a transition) (I’m not positive on this but I think that’s how he runs it)
After the techniques is positional sparring or open rolling etc.
Ouano runs the higher belt classes and I’m not sure on his class schedule.
Both of them are black belts of the awesome degree and Ramirez will hit you with a bow and arrow choke from 60 different directions before you can even ask what a bow and arrow choke is.
But if that school doesn’t float your boat, there’s so very many other ones, some are pricier than others though, NewBreed is pretty nice on price and awesome on skill level/training partners.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.newbreedacademy.com/
There’s the website.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Also just so you know I’m not just boosting up a McDojo here are some posts from Sherdog’s grappling forum that rep the school and its instructors:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/new-breed-jiu-jitsu-santa-fe-springs-1042541/
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/bjj-schools-near-norwalk-ca-1026446/
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome.
thanks for the heads up. i’ve actually heard about them. i ran into one of the students whom works at UV MMA fight gear shop near my house. although i probably won’t be joining a school too soon, i’ll definitely be more than willing to check them out.
Honestly you should, I cannot say enough awesome things about Johnny Ramirez. That bum needs to come back to VA and visit our school again! Seriously though, do it.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This was one of the numerous times I thought Randy was finished. I couldn’t believe he kept his base so strong to fight off the gator roll.
And thanks as always, Nate. Judo Chops are my favourite part of the site.
vaseline
didn’t nogueira say in an interview that he couldn’t tighten up the choke because a bunch of vaseline got on his hand/glove?
wonder if that’s true.
no
he said that his hand FELT like it had vasoline all over the glove because it hurt from hitting Randy in the head. I think he meant that his hand was still numb from battering Randy’s skull and therefore couldn’t get the grip like he normally would.
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ummmm
i’m pretty sure he said that he got a little vasoline on his glove from punching randy, i.e. the vasoline was on randy’s face and when he hit him it was trasferred onto his glove, thats the way i took it anyway
I was wondering how Randy survived that. I thought he was superhuman and didn’t need oxygen.
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Couture got tooled, the first gif shows exactly why. Nog had better boxing and a tougher chin. Couture’s JJ is better than what he showed, he just kept getting his noggin hit by the fists of NOG!
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Randy actually outscored Nog
by a considerable margin in terms of #‘s of punches landed and scoring %. He just didn’t hit as hard and/or Nog’s chin is back to being incredible.
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Nogs Chin
It looked to me like Randy got in some solid shots that just didn’t seem to faze Nog.
So Fagan – does that mean Goldie was actually (partly) correct when he called it a “M’Arce” choke (however unintentional the ID likely was)? :)
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
sadly
moat mma are self congratulatory and will pounce on the pour man for anything :/
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by blubber_guard on Sep 3, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLY..mother of all typing failure
brb gentleman
immagohangmahself
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 3, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I just say...
…in all sincerity, the judo chops are so freaking good, I wish they had their own site so I could send non-fans there to see that MMA is far more than just ‘big guys pounding heads’.
Maybe a microsite within BE?
Immense props of the highest kind.
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by Ozzz on Sep 3, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hey nate does zuffa ever ask you guys to take down those gif’s as copyrighted or anything? or does it somehow fall within fair use. or maybe they just don’t care because it’s good for the fans and the sport.
we've got lawyers
and its the definition of fair use.
Issues arise when it is a very short fight or there is no discussion of the fight beyond — look here, see this from the fight.
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I thought that the gator roll that nog has used in the past (and Randy used on MVA) involved him shooting his arm under his opponent’s chin passing it under his armpit and grabing his own bicep then putting the hand (from the arm that is having it’s bicep grabbed) on his opponent’s back, does that make any sense?
What he does here is the oposite and it does not depend on rolling, ralther getting the correct angle, the reason nog turned to his side was to shoot his choking arm further through (like an uppercut) because it’s actualy harder to finish with your forarm on his throat than when you have it deeper and your bicep is on his throat because there is less room (it is however possible to finish as a “slice” or neckcrank just by using your forearm). Nog eventualy bales out because he strugles to pull Randy’s head down enough (wrestlers seem to have strong necks) and because Randy managed to use his near elbow to make room and avoid getting his arm sandwitched beetween his neck and Nog’s side.
P.S. I fucking love this site and TTT for training in BJJ hightening your enjoyment of MMA matches!
my understanding
is that what you’re describing is an anaconda choke and that the roll is just as helpful in locking in the D’arce choke.
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Give us the sweeps!
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by a tommy point on Sep 3, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree those sweeps were excellent, to sweep someone with the base of randy who was being conservative with the strikes to try to nullify the guard is some feat
The sweeps were actually more Randy’s fault than they were Nog pulling off amazing techniques, Randy is staying really really high in Nog’s guard in order to avoid submissions and as a result he bases up too high twice, each time his balance goes off and Nog just traps a foot and rolls. It was more Randy screwing up than it was Nog doing anything special, they were simple bump rolls.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 4, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
d'arce + roll = fail, anaconda + roll = win
That’s my take on it anyway. No expert, but I do roll semi-regularly and it seems to me the gator goes well with the anaconda, not the d’arce. I’d go so far as to say that Nog may have gotten a bit confused. When he let go, it looked like he tried to regrip into an anaconda, but randy was too quick in getting the hell outta there :) Great fight and FAR better than I expected.
You can roll a D’Arce but you have to literally roll onto your back and bridge up to get anything extra out of it typically.
I think he was worried about going in for an Anaconda choke + roll too, if you screw up the trap after the roll then you lose everything.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 4, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions

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