Middleweight Follies: Dan Henderson, Hector Lombard, David Loiseau and...Kalib Starnes?
by Kid Nate on Sep 30, 2009 8:04 AM EDT
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Bunch of news in the middleweight division tonight so I thought I'd do a round up.
First off, Dan Henderson's camp tells Fighters Only that, contrary to rumor, he's willing to fight Nate Marquardt:
According to the Team Quest source, Henderson is not dead against fighting Marquardt, if that is the only fight that the UFC is looking for from him in the immediate future.
"He is ready to fight whenever he is needed, be that before the end of the year or early next year, whenever. He's open to fighting anyone, depending. Negotiating is a give and take process, so the contract has to be right."
And speaking of former UFC middleweight title challengers, Ariel Helwani has some news from David Loiseau:
When FanHouse spoke to David Loiseau recently about his MMA future, "The Crow" was still focused on continuing his career with the UFC despite getting cut by the organization in April. And according to Loiseau's agent, Ken Pavia, Loiseau thinks that trying out for the eleventh season of The Ultimate Fighter provides his best chance at getting back into the UFC.
Good luck to the Crow. I always liked him in his UFC run and thought he got a bit of a raw deal in his last stint with the promotion.
And then there's this bit of sillyness about Bellator middleweight champ Hector Lombard by way of MMA Weekly:
Bellator Fighting Championships has cleared middleweight champion Hector Lombard for a return to action in his home country when he faces UFC veteran Kalib Starnes at Cage Fighting Championship Oct. 9 in Queensland, Australia.
Ay yi yi. Its such a drag to see talented fighters like Hector Lombard, Eddie Alvarez, Dave Herman and Jorge Masvidal under contract to Bellator.
UPDATE: Aussie MMA hub InfiniteMMA has reported that the CFC event on October 9 has been cancelled/postponed:
CFC 11 which was scheduled to occur on the Gold Coast has been canceled due to the cancellation of both title fights.
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Alvarez has a fight coming up for DREAM. I don’t see the issue of them being under contract to Bellator if they are being allowed to fight in the off-season? It of course means they cannot sign with the UFC but if that was on any of those guys’ wish lists it would have happened by now.
by Ahhhoki on Sep 29, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Make the Henderson-Marquardt fight happen.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 29, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will happen… The only sticking point on the contract was the signing bonus.
by mmalogic on Sep 30, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hendo wanted a lifetime supply of xtreme citrus slam xenergy but the ufc just wouldn’t budge
by GregS123 on Sep 30, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame him
the new Xyence drinks are bomb. Especially the lemon one, that shit’s like crack
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 30, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha your avator is like crack….. figuratively, literally, whatever
by GregS123 on Sep 30, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good for Loiseau
They’ve kept people around with much worse records than his. I always thought he had very fluid, nice striking, and could be really fun to watch.
Here’s to hoping he wrecks ppl on next season’s Ultimate Fighter.
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by Robert Downey Sr. on Sep 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Ultimate Fighter was a developmental show. The Crow is a veteran. I like him but don’t think the show is going to do much for his skills at this point.
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by thetakeover on Sep 29, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s skills as much as a foot in the door. He wants back in the UFC, and this is a way to do it.
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by themachiavellian on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus he's gonna get a ton of fans if he wrecks people there..
more exposure, ton of fans, getting far/winning TUF, will make it a lot harder for Dana and the guys to cut him.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana said he was working on a Big plan for TUF 11, wonder what he has in mind?
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 29, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Comeback season maybe? Or U.S. vs. Canada? Dana always overhypes things.
by Chromium on Sep 30, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully we will find out soon
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 30, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little too hard on bellator i think
the delay between season 1 and season 2 was longer than ideal, but overall they are doing pretty good things
by GregS123 on Sep 30, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When’s their second season? They were “supposed” to announce a TV deal a month ago. So I wouldnt hold my breath on when their second season is “supposed” to be. Their so desperate their leaking false rumors of having phantom talks with versus to get some pub.
by mmalogic on Sep 30, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their CEO said a couple weeks ago they have a deal “locked down now” for 2 seasons in 2010, with the first of them coming “at the beginning of 2010.”
of course “locked down” and “at the beginning” are somewhat vague, but it sounds more positive than negative to me.
by GregS123 on Sep 30, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a strong word… I dont know why they aren’t announcing the deal if its already done.
It’s either not done and/or they need more financing to commit to the obligations of the deal. Im sure it will come out soon enough.
AFL kept saying everything is this and that then all of a sudden they disappeared.
by mmalogic on Sep 30, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They locked down a deal in Canada, and the new deal is forthcoming.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 30, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think i might have to make the trip to Queensland just to see Kalib Starnes get murdered.
by MMAussie on Sep 30, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering how many people saying Loiseau got a raw deal actually saw his match in Montreal. I was in the stands for that one and David, much as I like him, it was a sad thing to watch. Cutting him was a mercy killing, he just can’t hang anymore.
by andherewego on Sep 30, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Normally when you’re cut by the UFC, you up your training and improve yourself. It looked like all Loiseau did during his time out of the organization was just pad his record by fighting against scrubs (And lose to more talented fighters).
by dv8shun on Sep 30, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exacty right I just wrote pretty much the same thing below.
by Shocbomb on Sep 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate
If I recall, you kind of made it seem like Bellator was a good situation for Alvarez based on him receiving nice payouts.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 30, 2009 12:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
he got a good payday
everyone else is getting screwed.
Monte Cox made a good case for Alvarez in Bellator and so far it’s worked out — for him.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 30, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't it 5+ am there?
why are you up?
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, Bellator isn’t a bad deal.
They get paid a lot of money in a short time period, and if Bellator will allow them to fight outside the organization here and there… that’s great. The Lombard fight was purely a superfight on Australian soil as the MMA scene down there is lacking.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 30, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Lombards Manager who was making veiled threats that his demands would escalate if timing issues weren’t resolved.
Bellator needs financing but its hard to get it when your entire model has no end game. Using a tournament structure in the current climate… by definition you’re a feeder league.
I like the structure but if you cant monetize your winners – what’s the point. I
I see this structure working in the WEC where the winners move on to the UFC… It would create possible contenders much faster than Tuf can especially if its a weekly program – but unless you have an avenue to monetize your tournament winners It’s hard to make work. If there was no UFC Tuf would have been very difficult to make work…. It cost around 15m to do tuf…. if there was no UFC already in place to monetize on that it would have died.
by mmalogic on Sep 30, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
not a bad analysis… you are a mysterious individual ;)
though i think the end conclusion “their model has no end game” isn’t necessarily true. sounds nice and tidy but there are certainly other options. just for example purposes i don’t see why bellator couldn’t put together intriguing non-tournament fights for their bigger names. the pre-elitexc version of strikeforce seemed to be able to do it.
by GregS123 on Sep 30, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah they can do super fights… season 2 winner fights season 1. ok, i can see season 1 winners waiting a whole season plus training time for the season 2 winner to get ready. but then what? Have them fight again in different colored shorts? or wait again for season 3 to end?
sure, Strikeforce did a tournament and what was the end game? they stopped doing them.
by mmalogic on Sep 30, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bellator needs to focus on a specific goal. If they intend to build their stars, they should do so within the framework of the Mexican market instead of suddenly expanding to North America and having to compete for television deals with multiple MMA organizations.
Bellator could technically work a TUF model in Mexico with Spanish/Mexican fighters, and then re-work their events into non-tournaments. Build stars and go from there. I think the tournament format was fine to start, but it will eventually die off.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 30, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmalogic
Have you heard anything on the Structure of TUF 11. Dana said he had a big plan
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 30, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo’s coaching.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Sep 30, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s also news on another Middleweight.. Thales Leites signed with MFC.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. I thought for sure Strikeforce would pick him up.
by JRN on Sep 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jason mcdonald, travis lutter, thales leites, marvin eastman, add in the crow and mfcs middleweight div. is pretty interesting
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by ldglass on Sep 30, 2009 3:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SILLINESS!?
“… And then there’s this bit of sillyness … "
Wh…huh? Silliness? Ah…The memory of the MMA community is only one fight long, I forgot! I, however, DO remember a certain prospect fighting his way through the UFC’s MW ranks. A kid who had an ahead-of-his-time roundness to his skillset. A certain someone who many of us were watching blossom…only to see him immortalized in ridicule, a classically responsive Nate Quarry feeding the flame. But he didn’t magically lose his knowledge and ability overnight and it seems he’s been training for the past couple years, even winning some fights. Poor Hector Lombard may get run over by The Running Man. I wonder how silly HE’LL feel if that happens…
by bonez2799 on Sep 30, 2009 4:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So full of win.
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Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
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by TearsofaClown on Sep 30, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been one of the few Starnes defenders in the past year.
But the “I’m just unlucky” thing seems to never end.
He’s had about six opponents bail on him, he missed a fight due to a training cut recently, and now the aussie thing, if I’m reading it right, looks in jeopardy.
Just fricking fight already. Even if it’s in Alabama. Get back on the horse.
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by Ozzz on Sep 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kid Nate why do you think Loiseau got a raw deal being cut after the Herman loss ? He was dominated in that fight from start to finish and looked just horrible against a gate keeper in Herman. That performance deserves the AX from the UFC. I don’t agree with him going on TUF eather or any other established fighter they are just taking a spot that a young prospect could have unless they are doing another TUF with x UFC fighters like the 4th season I think it was.
by Shocbomb on Sep 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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