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Looking Ahead Through the Past: Lyoto Machida's Round 1 Performance at UFC 84

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Mauricio "Shogun" Rua has his work cut out for him at UFC 104.  He'll have to do something no other fighter has been able to do with any regularity: land strikes on Lyoto Machida.  According to FightMetric, opponents have only landed 0.64 strikes per minute against the Brazilian (as of January '09).  The only man better?  Fedor Emelianenko.

The best example of Machida's ability to avoid damage came during the first round of his fight with Tito Ortiz at UFC 84.  Ortiz threw his entire arsenal at Machida - right hooks, head kicks, double legs - only to find himself staring at an empty section of fence.

By the end of the round, Ortiz could no longer hide the frustration from his face.  Machida completely shut him down, and added insult to injury when he put Ortiz on his back with ten seconds left before the bell.  While Ortiz began to land with some consistency as the contest wore on (Machida reportedly entered the cage with the flu) and locked on a surprise armbar in the fight's final moments, he never looked comfortable at any stage.

The numbers from the first round highlight the dominance.  Machida landed 23 of 34 strikes (8 power shots) and was successful on his only takedown attempt.  Ortiz, meanwhile, couldn't find a target for all 18 of his strikes and got stuffed in both of his takedown attempts.

This is the problem Shogun inherits on October 24th.  How do you hit what isn't there?

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HAHA

that was pretty good

SHOGUN WILL SLAIN THE DRAGON!!!

by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

lulz

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by achengy on Sep 29, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

OR....

Fuck that Machida fucking wins

by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 29, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

OOORRRR....

FUCK THAT SHOGUN via SOCCER KICK TO HEAD….. ohhhh wait….. damnit!!!!

by DRExLOC on Sep 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure it was a triangle. Also, Shogun is a better striker than Tito.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Sep 29, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Was gonna say the same thing, triangle not armbar.

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by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You guys (as usual) are mostly right. He tried to transition to an armbar when the triangle doesn’t tap him. I was thinking of the famous picture from the fight.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 29, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Machida’s SApM (strikes absorbed per minute) stat dropped to .55 after the Rashad fight.

http://www.fightmetric.com/blog/2009/05/is-lyoto-machida-best-fighter-in-ufc.html

by gzl5000 on Sep 29, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Danke.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

shogun is going to get embarrassed.

That was a real kick and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultraviolent.

by mistake4 on Sep 29, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It looks like Machidas influence to MMA may get close to Royce Gracies…

We now have Vitor and Anderson incorporating Karate principles. and in both cases their opponents have looked helpless… just like when Royce would take his opponents to the ground.

At one point Franklin was calling out to his coach as he looked confused with Vitors distance and stance.

Is this type of Karate the new Brazilian JJ? Do you now need to know and implement these kinds of karate principles/techniques to remain relevant in MMA?

by mmalogic on Sep 29, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you now need to know and implement these kinds of karate principles/techniques to remain relevant in MMA?

As in having some sort of countering and parry ability, yep. Don’t necessarily need karate to know that though.

by Tonley on Sep 29, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did Andy ever say he was incorporating Karate into his training?

by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

With his striking.

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by iiowyn on Sep 29, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

nonsense

he hasn’t stated it (to my knowledge), and unless someone can quote him on this there is no reason to believe that he is. He has always been a counter striker and is still a counter striker… Just because he doesn’t get hit that much doesn’t mean he incorporated Karate into his training.

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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thoight Franklin called to his corner because he couldn’t hear them?

by StevenGiles on Sep 29, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct. He couldn’t hear them. Logic is just spouting nonsense.

And Vitor/Anderson could end up a really boring fight. Anderson doesn’t like to engage at MW anymore and Vitor is trying this karate. Look at how dull the first few minutes of the Franklin fight were.

by gunranger on Sep 29, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every time someone says how boring a fight is going to be I say “Pffffft” and point out all the people who said the same thing before the Machida-Evans fight.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You realize they didn’t throw a strike for like the first 2-3 minutes right? PLus Anderson has said at MW now that he’s older and champ he doesn’t take risks.

by gunranger on Sep 29, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you’re saying that fight was boring because they didn’t throw any leather for 2 minutes?

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by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I am saying periods of no action isn’t very entertaining. They didn’t even attempt a strike it was mostly feint, watch feint.

by gunranger on Sep 29, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see anything wrong with “feeling out” your opponent to try to learn their rythm. Anderson and Machida usually starts slow, but that’s just their process to give us better fights (that’s the way I look at it anyhow hehe).

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by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually love the anticipation. You just know it’s going to happen and you don’ t know when. So you sit there waiting wondering what it’s going to be like. Machida vs Rashad was like the sweet spot for MMA for me.

by Dooda on Sep 29, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do you think the fight was exciting or not? That was the question.

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by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 9:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i did..

Even at the parts where there was “no action”.. I loved how Machida kept him guessing the entire time..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 29, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought that fought was going to be the most boring ass shit…

by mmalogic on Sep 29, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand people finding this style boring...

but to me it’s like watching some crazy Discovery Channel guy handling a mamba. Nothing seems to be happening, but it’s WAY tense…much more interesting than the rock’em sock’em robot style employed by so many…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 29, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing is I enjoy Machida’s style a lot and defended it versus the legions of people calling him boring beforee he ko’d Thiago. The thing is people act like his style is impervious and he won’t ever lose. Shogun is well rounded enough to beat Machida and these bandwagoners act like he doesn’t. They’ll be the same ones saying he was overrated when he loses

by gunranger on Sep 29, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shogun can’t hang with Lyoto standing and he doesn’t have good enough wrestling to try and play top game.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shogun has the ability and skills to cut the ring off on Lyoto…this would force Lyoto to become the aggressor and even into the cage where Shogun could use his thai clinch…could create a WAR that we havent seen Lyoto forced into yet

by oousty on Sep 29, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Shogun’s footwork is nearly good enough to do that to Machida.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we know the full extent of Machida’s skills yet. He’s not been forced to showcase more than his standard fighting style…..I’m sure he’s got alot more tricks up his sleeve.

by soadtrails on Sep 29, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

in a ring I think Shogun could corner him

but in the cage, no chance.

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by Kid Nate on Sep 29, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think that Machida would keep himself out of trouble, but I agree. Shogun’s go-forward aggression would have a much better shot of trapping Machida in a square corner than in the rather formless shape of the Octagon.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you ever think Machida’s like a Chuck 2.0 I mean chuck was like this phenomenal unorthodox counter striker but he was using his punches in the way Machida uses his kicks, maybe after 7 title defenses someone will get Machida’s number.

by drano on Sep 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what i wanted to know from him also..

Lyoto is dominant and like chuck, he always comes in with a same game plan, and they are both good at making people fight their kind of fight. I want to know if Lyoto is worried that people will someday figure out how to beat his unique style.

I hope i find out soon.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

man I’ve been thinking the same thing

by drano on Sep 30, 2009 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

truth...

SHOGUN WILL SLAIN THE DRAGON!!!

by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is “Shogun will slay the dragon!”

And by slay the dragon, I mean get set on fire then eaten.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m getting there :P

SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Shogun has the best chance right now...

It’s going to take great timing, footspeed, and unpredictibiility, which at his best, Shogun has plenty of…but I still think he’s going down hard. Machida hasn’t reached his peak yet IMO. It’s only this year that he started a serious strength and conditioning program, and finally was able to take his father’s advice to finish people quickly. I wish they’d had time to get Shogun another good fight before this one. Hopefully the countdown show does a good job of filling people in on who he is and his past accomplishments. But as much of a Shogun fan as I am, I’m hopelessly devoted to Lyoto…:-)

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 29, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who would you have had Shogun fight instead?

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

rampage!

but DW screwed that up for us :P

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by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

sorry, for some reason I thought you said Machida and not Shogun :P

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by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree with ya

If there was a good answer to that, the UFC probably would’ve gone another way. I just didn’t feel like the Coleman and Liddell fights were anywhere close to convincing me that Shogun could beat Lyoto, or that he was back to Grand Prix form. Plus, this is not Pride obviously. It’s more that I don’t see anyone else at LHW having a chance in hell.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 29, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

shogun was the face of the UFC game demo so people have gotten to know him real well.

I think the “rampage under juanito” has the best chance in the division…

The only guy who I would say has an even chance against Machida is Anderson Silva.

by mmalogic on Sep 29, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that juanito

had Rampage fighting at a peak he hasn’t seen since.

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by Kid Nate on Sep 29, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point… when its a big fight the lull in action increases the already built up tension… the problem is if its stays that way without any closure.

Its called “BLUE BALLS”.

by mmalogic on Sep 29, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there are similarities, but lately it’s been orgasmic…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 29, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Vitor vs Anderson fight could potentially be very boring…

If something doesnt go Andersons way (hendo hand fucking him for a round) he comes out and kicks ass… I dont know about Vitor. The old Vitor would have just tried to survive from that round on.

Anderson most probably make him pay more than once so if belfort retreats into “survival mode” and Silva decides to just dance around again then it will be very boring.

by mmalogic on Sep 29, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I think they’re both leaning towards being counter-fighters and both have been studying Machida’s distance so we might see two guys at the extreme end of striking range waiting for the other guy to make a mistake.
I think Anderson’s reach advantage, his arsenal of kicks vs Vitor’s reliance on punches and Vitor’s mental weakness will be the difference. But Vitor is very very dangerous to anyone.

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by Kid Nate on Sep 29, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure if it’s the karate specifically. As Tonley mentioned, guys need to learn how to avoid getting hit. With the lack of protection from small gloves, you take a much bigger risk when you try to cover up instead of eluding strikes.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin was yelling saying to Matt Hume he could not hear what he was saying across the cage.

by Shocbomb on Sep 29, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah… when has a fighter done that in a fight? Usually you need instruction when you’re confused about something.

So since Vitor didnt throw anything yet it must have been his stance, movement and distance.

by mmalogic on Sep 29, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish the title of that sidepiece was “ANCIENT CHINESE SECRET?”

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The pic of his dad and him toasting….I don’t know what to feel right now. I keep telling myself to pretend that it’s ice tea they’re drinking but it’s not working.

by Tonley on Sep 29, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

but damn, the drink of choice is WRONG. This isn’t something slightly exotic yet effective, like acupuncture, qigong, or herbal medicine. The P principle makes no sense to me…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 29, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a scientific basis to it

the first piss of the day is very rich in Melatonin which has a lot of beneficial properties. Would probably be easier to take a supplement.

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by Kid Nate on Sep 29, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI, if you have trouble sleeping, take melatonin. Knocks me out every time and much better than sleeping pills.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it knocks you out better than sleeping pills you dont have the good kind. I take melatonin nightly to help me sleep and it helps me get sleepy but when i have real insomnia i take real sleeping pills and those things knock you out in under 5 minutes if you are lying down.

by Rabbit915 on Sep 29, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably?

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by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 10:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It’s the unscientific part of the equation (i.e. downing “the first piss of the day”) that grosses me out.

by Cannon Jacques on Sep 29, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

drink vitamins and supplements it’s not really that expensive. haha. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 29, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

AHA!

Thanks, I’d looked into a bit, but that’s the first reasonable answer I’ve gotten. Still can’t see it as beneficial when balanced against forcing your body to process the same waste twice. Supplements FTW.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 29, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And have an awesome walkout tee…


by Nick Thomas on Sep 29, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

*FART NOISE*

AW-FUL.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 29, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it.

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by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 8:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i don't.

for me, the simpler the better..

I usually don’t like walk out shirts cause they’re either too cheesy, or plastered with too many (or too big) brandnames.. This looks pretty decent for a walk out shirt.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Paging Mike Fagan....

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by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Am I the skank or am I picking up said skanks?

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on how drunk they are.

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by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FUCKIN SKANKS!

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by Screwface on Sep 29, 2009 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ma!

Protein!

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by Anthony Pace on Sep 29, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the front of that shirt quite a lot. The back…not so much.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 29, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe fedor has been hit less…. he was tagged harder and more times in the arlovski and hmc fights than lyotos whole ufc career.

by cagefightonacid on Sep 29, 2009 8:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I watched the Fedor/AA fight again about a month ago. Fedor actually slipped a lot of the punches AA threw at him.

by Tonley on Sep 29, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, even during my initial re-watch of it, Arlovski looked a lot less impressive than I initially thought.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 29, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. AA looked better because Fedor was throwing his hands up while he parried for some reason so he looked hurt

by gunranger on Sep 29, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I disagree abotu Lyoto not being tagged hard. Hoger and Naka both landed hard punches on him

by gunranger on Sep 29, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember Soko landing at least one big punch as well.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 29, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

rashad also hit him a few times, Lyoto was going forward and Rashad was able to counter with three great hooks. Had that been a hard hitter Machida could have been in trouble…

SHOGUN WILL SLAIN THE DRAGON!!!

by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rashad is a hard hitter, the problem was he was doing it to get Machida off him as he was backing up from a Machida attack. Those hooks are a testimony of how tough Rashad is, he being able to throw hooks in the middle of taking damage, but they weren’t going to be hurting anyone no matter who threw them.

by Dooda on Sep 29, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage would have hurt him with that.

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by Orcus on Sep 29, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was the cheesiest karate 3 punch combo I have ever seen… I guess machida found out that Karate technique wont work so well in mma.

by mmalogic on Sep 29, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only one of those actually hit.

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by iiowyn on Sep 29, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah man, now I think you’re blind by Machida’s greatness :P All three shots connected…

SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps not three, but two definitely connected…

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SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I corrected myself though hehe

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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

but that was my point
Had that been a hard hitter Machida could have been in trouble…

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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rashad was able to counter with three great hooks. Had that been a hard hitter Machida could have been in trouble…

1. Those weren’t great hooks, they were quick, off balanced, arm punches..
2. Rashad IS a big hitter..
and 3. even if Rampage (who you consider a bigger hitter) threw those quick arm punches, Machida still wouldn’t be in trouble.. had that been a punch where his legs were set properly, and thrown with his weight, then yeah, maybe Lyoto would’ve been in trouble..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I call them great hooks because he was able to connect while Machida was going forward and got Machida to back up and re-think his strategy. Rashad is a hard hitter, but he is a hard hitter when he means to inflict damage with his strategy (such as the Chuck fight), not during exchanges that got him going backwards. Rampage and Rashad are different fighters, have different stances and Rampage is able to capitalize in hooks (of my mind Chuck and Wandy). I’m not saying Rampage would beat Machida, but if Rampage were able to land hooks on Machida that would be more damaging to Machida than Rashad landing them. That was my only point.

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SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

those hooks from Rampage to Wand/Chuck were different from the ones Evans landed on Machida.. That’s supposed to be obvious for tons of reasons..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage and Rashad are different fighters

my guess would be that this is the obvious :P

I think you are under the impression that I’m claiming Rampage would land those shots the exact same way Rashad landed them. That’s not what I’m saying. He would land them differently, for him and Rashad are different fighters.

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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought your point was that a hard hitter would have damaged Machida, not that someone else would have thrown the hooks differently.

If it’s the former, then it doesn’t matter because anyone throwing those sort of hooks would have failed to damage Machida regardless of hitting prowess.

In the latter case, again it wouldn’t matter because you could just as easily say, what another poster pointed out that if Rashad had planted his feet or twists his hips, etc. those would have been more damaging, again, regardless of punching prowess.

by black dragon on Sep 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first one hit, the last one missed.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

the second and third were the ones that connected clean, the first one was blocked by Machida…

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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first one hit enough to turn his head.
The second one hit him in the neck (this was the one I thought had missed, bad recollection on my part).
The third one he pulled his head out of the way.

Look at the reaction of his head for the first and third ones.

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by iiowyn on Sep 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know

to me the first punch is the least clean because it seems it hit Machida’s forearm more than it did his head. The second shot looked like it landed on the side of his jaw and because Machida turned his head it slanted a little towards the ear. The third shot looked like it landed clean from Machida’s reaction (and I do remember the sound it made when it landed). But because Machida turned his head the camera angle is not the best.

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SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at the exchange in slowmo.

The first punch was blocked.
The second punch bounced off the base of the neck.
The third punch barely glanced off the upper cheek.

No punch landed flush on Machida’s chin.

Rashad later landed a body kick, but only the forefoot connected and it hit just below the armpit.

In short, Machida received very little to no damage in that fight.

by Flying Gogoplata on Sep 30, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

if none landed

why would Machida back up then? makes no sense…

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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I agree, but why reset if he’s not getting hit? Think how this fight ended, he was throwing leather and Rashad was not landing anything, therefore he continue to throw leather and Rashad went down. Above he was trying to do the same thing, except he wasn’t really landing anything and instead Rashad was, therefore he needed to back up and circle and reset.

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by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say Machida wasn’t getting hit or that none of Rashad’s punches landed. It’s just that none of them landed flush on the chin.

But the fact that Machida was getting hit at all plus his poor posture at the time led him to reset.

by Flying Gogoplata on Sep 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

I don’t buy it :P

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SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

To avoid the guy that’s lunging at him throwing hooks? I think he got hit, but they were hooks that were thrown in the middle of getting hit. Rampage as an example, almost always backs up or blocks when he’s in the middle of getting hit. I don’t see him suddenly start throwing in the middle of getting hit in the face very often. I could be wrong though.

by Dooda on Sep 30, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

watch the Wandy fight (3rd)

he blocks and then follows up with the hook, he doesn’t just keep blocking though.

SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn’t say he hasn’t been tagged hard. the fact of the matter is lyoto has never been rocked or dazed… fedor cant say the same

by cagefightonacid on Sep 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

nevertheless

to say that fedor is more elusive than lyoto is bs

by cagefightonacid on Sep 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor is a ground fighter, he often works from the top, and you don’t take so many punches when your on top of someone working for submissions or GnP, but when on the feet he gets hit a lot

by dancingChicken on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I so want Shogun to have a reign of terror in the UFC, I just don’t see it happening… If he does though, I will jizz in my pants.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Sep 29, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Way way way too much info

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 29, 2009 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not enough I’d say.

by Meshuggeth on Sep 29, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Sep 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this fight so favors Machida that it’s scary from a prognostication standpoint. Unlike someone like say… oh… Mike Bisping, Shogun has the ability to KO a fighter with a good chin. That makes him dangerous against a guy who currently seems to be invincible.

by Cannon Jacques on Sep 29, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Man the first martial arts class I ever took was a krav maga class and this army guy in there would use a similar fighting style to Machida’s where he would pretty much force me to come after him and set and unleash some crazy kicks, I found that I could get him with good feints, side to side movement, level changing, and anticipating his footwork I mean Machida is obviously on a different level then that but does anyone else have any insight as to how to beat that guy.

by drano on Sep 29, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

good fucking wrestling

i still have a headache when i think about how rashad did no takedown attempts and did very little clinching. why the hell would you stand with someone when they take the least amount of damage in a fight and land the most strikes? why? hey i got a great idea, lets jitsu maia, or stand with anderson silva. i dont understand fighters at the highest levels trying to prove something over another fighter. i get the whole “hey look at me i can do this” but seriously, when does the win become ancillary to the fight.

ufc fan boy all the way

by georgehouse on Sep 29, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They thought since countering chuck (who’s a counter fighter) worked so well why wouldnt it work against Machida?

Because Like I said before the fight… Chuck cant counter moving forward – Machida can. Not only that he can do it sideways, upside down, back words etc… His distance to his opponents no matter which direction the movements are is near flawless.

Fighting guys like Machida, Anderson and Vitor is like playing the game flinch… they get you so uncomfortable and anxious it fucks up your head.

by mmalogic on Sep 30, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Machida throws more feints than some people throw punches.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 30, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That flinch part is so true. I actually get edgy just watching them fight because you know the strikes are coming you just never know when or from what angle.

"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"

by crinow on Sep 30, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Machida competes at a fairly high level in karate and trains with a variety of excellent strikers, so you can be sure he’s seen pretty much everything when it comes to striking.

That said, he’s still beatable at his own game. His brother Chinzo is better than him in karate and Lyoto is barely even considered a top karateka worldwide.

The trouble is, no active LHW fighter in MMA is clearly better than Lyoto in karate or even striking in general. Even the K-1 crossovers are no match. This is why MMA LHW’s do not beat Lyoto with striking at his current ability level.

by Flying Gogoplata on Sep 30, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would this be in part due to him training for MMA and not just Karate?

If he focused purely on Karate do you think he has the potential to be a top practicioner?

'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko

by Well Read Idiot on Sep 30, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

his brother focuses more on karate and Lyoto focuses more on MMA..

hence his brother being better at him in karate, and Lyoto being better than him in MMA…

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are Machida’s eyebrows always locked like that?

Keep firing Assholes!

The Leafs are back!

by Ubernoober on Sep 30, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions  

only when he picks up chicks..

In unrelated news, Brandon Vera will go down faster than Megan Fox will when she sees me..

She won’t..

But if she does, forget vera, I win. haha.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 30, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have as much faith in your abilities to impress Megan Fox as I have in Brandon Vera’s skills.

Keep firing Assholes!

The Leafs are back!

by Ubernoober on Sep 30, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but your chances of landing Her Foxiness will be much higher if you’re rocking a sexy ass Canadian flag.

Keep firing Assholes!

The Leafs are back!

by Ubernoober on Sep 30, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Megan Fox is so overrated.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Sep 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 30, 2009 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know right?

she’s so ugly

SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody said she was ugly, just that she’s not the most beautiful woman in the world like a lot of people act. Do you know how much airbrushing goes into a picture like that? They could make Janet Reno look good.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, look what they did with cyborg

In unrelated news, Brandon Vera will go down faster than Megan Fox will when she sees me..

She won’t..

But if she does, forget vera, I win. haha.

Shit, Megan may not be the best looking woman in the world, but if in an alternate universe she was to show up wanting to give it to me I’d take that for sure haha

SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I mean, I’d do him there.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 30, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

yeah, he’s sexy when he cleans up!

SHOGUN WILL SLAY THE DRAGON!!!
SHOGUN TO BE THE NEW LHW CHAMP!!!

by Orcus on Sep 30, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear she’s a complete lunatic.

by Dooda on Sep 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the BJ fight included in these numbers? They landed a lot on each other in the clinch.

by ryanwk628 on Sep 30, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 30, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Penn fight

was probably Lyoto’s toughest fight. Penn went after him the whole time. Then again, Lyoto has probably improved vastly since then….

Forward Ever, Backward Never...

by Tony NJ on Sep 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

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