Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort Agree to Fight at UFC 108
by Nick Thomas on Sep 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT
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According to the LATimes.com:
Ultimate Fighting Championship President Dana White told The Times his organization has struck verbal deals for Anderson Silva to defend his middleweight championship against Vitor Belfort on Jan. 2 in Las Vegas.Rumored card so far:
- Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort
- Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva
Add in Dan Henderson vs. Nate Marquardt and that's what I call a stacked New Years card.
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That's the way to start off the new year
Any news on Hendo and his contract. If Vitor found a way to win I would love to see Belfort-Henderson 2.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really have my doubts about Rashad-Thiago. Sounds like a bluff, also a bad fight I think.
I don’t think they have much for this card. I believe Hendo-Marquardt will be on here too. Do they have another big fight? I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to get Chuck to fight here.
by Michael Rome on Sep 25, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who else do they have to fight Rashad? Maybe a rematch with Forrest? Of course I think they’ll give Forrest someone easier to get back on track. Who does that leave?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well in my opinion
best case scenario is you get Rampage back on board and have Rashad/Rampage headline you superbowl show.
Franklin or Hendo would be a possibility if Hendo isnt gonna fight Nate but I dont think those are better choices than Thiago.
If they did a Forrest rematch I would be pissed. I hate rematches happening with a year of the original. Try like 2 years for a rematch and build the hype back up.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage isn’t fighting on the SB show. So who does Rashad fight?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 25, 2009 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I was really annoyed when WEC scheduled Faber-Pulver II like, 2 weeks after the original
by Shaun32887 on Sep 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see Forrest fight franklin.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"
by crinow on Sep 25, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a smart, smart fellar…
If im rampage I take tiki and crew with me on set and chase chickens if I have to… so I can make that fight.
by mmalogic on Sep 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you typed wrong, I believe A Silva vs Belfort, Marquardt and Hendo will be on this card.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Sep 25, 2009 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 25, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere, Dan Henderson just used an entire box of tissues.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 25, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The card isn’t THAT good.
"of a world thats doing its best, night and day,
to make me everybody else"
by Lay 'n' Pray on Sep 25, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t understand your reply. What does Hendo not getting the next title shot have to do with the 108 card?
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Sep 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It was meant to be that he jizzed over how good the 108 card looks so far, using a box of tissues. It’s not funny when you have to explain it.
"of a world thats doing its best, night and day,
to make me everybody else"
by Lay 'n' Pray on Sep 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He cries because he doesn’t get the title shot, not because the 4 fighters card is great.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 25, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know..
It was meant to be a joke. I still think him and Marquardt need to fight first to decide the contender, so he shouldn’t be crying too much.
"of a world thats doing its best, night and day,
to make me everybody else"
by Lay 'n' Pray on Sep 25, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I won’t cry that’s for sure. Marquardt vs Hendo can be awesome. Two great fighters, relevant, balanced, a great bout.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
plus it makes a ton of sense for them to have the top contender fight and for Vitor to slip straight into a title shot, as a rematch against either of them won’t a huge draw at all. If Silva is to win this which is suspect he will, you can bet his next card he will co main event with a huge fight, to carry the weight of his fight.
"of a world thats doing its best, night and day,
to make me everybody else"
by Lay 'n' Pray on Sep 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silva by 5 round snoozer
May the Forsett be with you.
by SSreporters on Sep 25, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson of course
May the Forsett be with you.
by SSreporters on Sep 25, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 25, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vitor wins round 1
Silva puts him to sleep in round 2
by mason_beer on Sep 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on how Tito does
I wonder if he would be game to jump back in that quickly to get his rematch with Rashad?
by mason_beer on Sep 25, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that who I think it is?
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
by Deo Wade on Sep 25, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dude from team nog, I don’t remember his name, he was epic.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MUTHA F**KIN' STANKY!!
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
by Deo Wade on Sep 25, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Stanky
IMO they should have made him a permanent member of TUF.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn! I thought it was Timothy Leary
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the long hair it looks more like cyborg
The Power of One
by MMAFanatic on Sep 25, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this was boxing Anderson would never take the Vitor fight…
by mmalogic on Sep 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shit, if this was boxing Franklin wouldnt have even fought Vitor.
by mmalogic on Sep 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this was boxing Anderson would be trying to negotiate a fight with Jon Fitch, or maybe Kenny Florian.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 25, 2009 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
I think this card ends up looking like this…
Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort
Forrest Griffin vs. Rich Franklin
Matt Hughes vs TBD
Demian Maia vs Akiyama
Gray Maynard vs Sean Sherk
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a Sexy card.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Sep 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez man
i like those matchups
by cagefightonacid on Sep 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
thats a great match
cuz chuck wont get put to sleep
by cmcbeast on Sep 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a nice co-main
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a pretty good fight. Not as a main event but it’s intriguing. If Chuck wins maybe he takes one last crack at a title and if Forrest wins it gives him the credibility to make another run. Sounds like a win-win to me.
by Andy R on Sep 25, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea. The results of next weeks TUF
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 25, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinkin the forrest vs chuck fight
by cmcbeast on Sep 25, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No… All i know is Chuck is definitely coming back.
If chuck vs forrest is on NYE or on Super Bowl weekend I have no clue.
by mmalogic on Sep 25, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon or Kerry?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 25, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends, Dancing or Fighting.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 25, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Chuck vs. Coleman vs. Baroni vs. Tito in a 4-way match.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 25, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ECW Style 4-Way Dance
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
by Deo Wade on Sep 25, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm afraid to ask......
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
by Captain Fubar on Sep 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
by Deo Wade on Sep 26, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO now I see it.
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
by Deo Wade on Sep 26, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do u know if.......
chuck is gonna actually try some GnP or is he happy gettin KOed again
by cmcbeast on Sep 25, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chuck comes back
Think he’ll dance on his entrance?
by Shaun32887 on Sep 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 26, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d think KOS vs Rumble if Rumble wins
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like I've got New Years plans
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Sep 25, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be a great fight if true. My initial reaction is to pick Anderson, but I’ve really enjoyed how Belfort has been performing as of late. Tough one for sure.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Sep 25, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t mind seeing Georges St. Pierre on this card either, although I don’t know who Zuffa could match him with.
by Andy R on Sep 25, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can’t fight til feb
"of a world thats doing its best, night and day,
to make me everybody else"
by Lay 'n' Pray on Sep 25, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP will likely get the Swick/Daley winner on SB weekend, unless Almeida beats Fitch. In that case, GSP vs Almeida in February
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 25, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I like the GSP/Almeida fight... Vewwy vewwy intewesting...
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Sep 25, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A.Silva
I believe the days of Anderson playing around in the ring is over, he kicked it into gear the moment the bell rung for the Griffin fight…If they can make this card it’d be a fucking great way to start the year
by Takun on Sep 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think the days of the UFC handing him mediocre opponents are over.
Still, I do worry about this being a boring fight,
by Razzel on Sep 25, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really am not interested in Vitor being thrown around by the UFC and him fighting Anderson right away. I feel its a bit premature considering his first fight back although won in spectacular fashion was a catch weight fight. In my opinion catch weight fights should not determine the number one contender. Contenders yes but the number one? No. It doesnt make much sense aside from a promotions point of view. From a fighters perspective I believe Vitor should fight Okami and if he wins then pit him against the winner of Marquardt vs Henderson. If he wins both those fights @ 185 lbs. Then I believe his fight with Anderson would make the most sense. As of now the UFC makes fights happen that they think are going to be good fights not what makes sense as far as rankings. Any how I would take Belfort via 2nd or 3rd round KO. Anderson has never fought any body in our out of the UFC as fast and hard hitting as Vitor. Anderson definetely is not as fast as Vitor and neither is Machida. I think the only reason Anderson makes it out of the first round in this fight is because he’s experienced and has good elusiveness.
by buttters on Sep 25, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Finally someone who’s not completely on board with Vitor fighting Silva so fast. I’m a huge Belfort fan and would love to see him get a title shot but don’t set the guy up for failure. He just arrived back to the UFC and I was hoping he’d get 2-3 fights before getting a title shot. He wasn’t necessarily fighting top notch competition in other organizations so he hasn’t really been tested till the Franklin fight which wasn’t much.
Since it’s obviously going to happen now, I’d like to see Belfort win but win convincingly. I think Belfort is fully capable of dethroning Silva as long as he is fully committed to training and preparing. I hope for a good fight either way.
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by brohamm1978 on Sep 25, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man at last I am totally against Hendo and marquardt being screwed out of a title shot by a guy who’s had two fights at 85. I can’t believe people on this site are supporting this fight. I mean seriously what is the justification for him to get this fight that fast
by drano on Sep 25, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He murdered Lindland and Rich Franklin…
Hendo barely beat Franklin and Okami couldnt beat Franklin.
Hendo and Nate havent been screwed out of a title shot… they both had one and got raped.
Rematches normally are only mandatory for the Champ if he loses (ex. Rich lost and then he got a rematch).
Hendo vs Nate is a way more compelling fight than Hendo vs Anderson and Nate vs Anderson.
Vitor vs Anderson is a way more compelling matchup as well.
All this equals = Vitor vs Anderson and Hendo vs Nate.
by mmalogic on Sep 25, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how is it more compelling to screw two guys who have been working their asses off for a title shot? By your logic houston alexander would have been deserving of a title shot after his win over keith jardine. I would love to see hendo marquardt just as much as the next guy but skipping them over for a guy with two fights at 85 and are we forgetting that Hendo beat Belfort
by drano on Sep 25, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By losing...
Nate screwed Nate
and Dan screwed Dan.
Just ask Earl Hebner.
by argyle on Sep 26, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That argument just doesn’t hold water to me the two have worked their asses off since those fights and have cleaned out the middlewieght division so we’re just supposed to discount that now?
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key thing here is that folks want to watch Henderson vs Nate and cant figure out which one should be the #1 contender without them fighting each other, either way one of the two are going to get a title shot after Silva’s next fight as always planned.
The biggest difference here is that instead of watching Silva fight a LHW or a HW in a fun but pointless fight now we get to watch him defend his belt twice before he retires (assuming he wins).
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but fair is fair fans didn’t want to see silva fight Cote or Leites but the matches were set because they were the number one contenders
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
since when
are title matches always “fair” in the UFC?
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should be is my point and all the support Vitor’s getting from the fans on this site is out of place
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should is correct
but seriously, I don’t feel like watching Hendo vs Silva II or Nate vs Silva II, they should fight each other before getting another shot (andy has 3 fights left on his contract before supposedly calling it quits). This is how most fans feels about it, and the UFC aren’t dumb, they give (most of the times) what the fans want, because unhappy fans = lower bank accounts for the UFC. The UFC is a business, and like all private business they go where the money is.
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and like all privatebusinessbusinessess they go where the money is.
I’m trying to work on my English :P
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it
and I even got it wrong in my correction! I give up!
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
since when does any one care about the UFC making money? Seriously MMA isn’t going anywhere if the UFC went out of business tomorrow someone else would take their place with a similar product. My point is there is a lot of hardcore fans on this site and it absolutely blows my mind how many support someone walking on and passing up two guys who are more deserving of a title shot.
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the UFC went out of business tomorrow someone else would take their place with a similar product.
I’m not gonna lie, that made me laugh :P
You couldn’t be farther from the truth here. UFC gone, MMA is going to have a hard time staying alive (at least today), maybe that won’t be the case in 5 to 10 years.
My point is there is a lot of hardcore fans on this site and it absolutely blows my mind how many support someone walking on and passing up two guys who are more deserving of a title shot.
they had their shot, anderson has 3 fights left, I rather see him fight someone he hasn’t fought before in Vitor (who is dangerous) than wasting two fights with Nate and Hendo again. Chopping that down to one fight is all good by me.
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA would absolutely survive without the UFC the fact that the UFC is so successful is proof enough that the product sells.
They had their shot yes and given their recent win streaks they deserve another one.
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell that to IFL, to Affliction (who btw had the best HW division at the time) and EliteXC (who had the biggest draw at the time), and Pride (that was just as successful then as the UFC is now).
nothing sells itself, the MMA product is not going to sell itself. The need for a good marketing is what is going to sell a product, and the UFC are geniuses on the marketing department.
They had their shot yes and given their recent win streaks they deserve another one.
even at the cost of spending all of anderson’s last fights?
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not at the cost of his last fights? Your still screwing two guys who deserve the title shot more
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
two guys who already had their shots not that long ago…
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate lossed almost 3 years ago if you don’t think that wasn’t that long ago then Vitor’s loss to Henderson was 3 years ago under your logic doesn’t that DQ him for a title shot
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nate’s loss was two years ago, not three… and even if that was three years ago, we’re talking about two different fighters, the loss Vitor has to Hendo does not DQ him for a title shot because he’s been undefeated since that loss three years ago and never fought anderson.
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely it doesn’t DQ him but why does it put him ahead of hendo
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't
Vitor KO’ing Franklin does.
by Captain7 on Sep 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha so one when is supposed to get you a title shot now huh
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“MMA would absolutely survive without the UFC the fact that the UFC is so successful is proof enough that the product sells.”
So what happened to Pride, Bodog, EliteXC, Affliction, etc.? That is a pretty ridiculous statement to make, MMA has survived mainly because of the hard work Dana and the brothers Fertitta have put in to get it legalized and keep a healthy business model in place.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha so if the UFC competing with them had nothing to do with any of those businesses going under? Yes the Fertitta’s and Dana put a lot of work and deserve the credit for getting it legalized and promoting the hell out of it but now that they have it’s pretty clear that MMA isn’t going anywhere.
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those companies killed themselves, obviously competing against the UFC didn’t help but that’s not the main reason they failed.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn’t the point, what I said was if the UFC somehow someway failed MMA would still survive
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the way it is now with 1-2 major cards a month and top contenders in each class fighting each other.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t think someone would be able to continue that especially with the UFC’s roster becoming free agents over night
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe…
But the UFC isn’t successful because MMA is huge. It is successful because it is a well run company. As an organization the UFC is very effective at keeping itself profitable.
by Captain7 on Sep 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not the point at all if the UFC went out of business tomorrow another equally well run company would take it’s place or probably another 10
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because none of that shit matters?
If you want to you can discredit anyone who is getting a title shot. It’s not like they’re giving the title shot to to some bum off the street. He’s a top 10 guy that hasn’t gotten destroyed by Anderson yet. It’s going to be an awesome fight, what else matters?
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is he a top ten guy with two fights at 185?
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same way Anderson Silva is a top 10 guy with two fights at 205?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
so Silva’s ranked as a top two guy at 205 now?
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and where is this considering he’s still holding the Middleweight belt
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha I’m an idiot he’s ranked number ten
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same way as many folks see Mousasi as a top 10 guy in LHW with his one win and A. Silva in LHW with his 2 wins in that division. Talent is more important then how many fights they have at that weight.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The level of competition your fighting against is more important then talent if that were true Jon Jones would be a top 5 205er. Take a look at who Vitor’s fights at 85 are terry martin is not even a top 20 fighter and an aging Matt Lindland who is arguably a top 15 fighter.
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what were they ranked when the fights happened?
If we go by this logic Fedor probably shouldn’t be ranked at all based on where the majority of his past opponents are currently ranked.
Lindland was considered the best MW in the world by some (I think they’re morons) but he was a top fighter when that fight happened.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t go that far with the Fedor comment, I mean Andrei is still a top 10 and Sylvia is still top 20.
but i get what your saying.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who considered him the best in the world at that time? As i remember it Anderson was battling fedor for the number one p4p spot. And one win over an arguably top ten competitor still doesn’t justify you skipping over two guys who cleaned out the division and one of which has a win over you
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did those two clean out the division if they haven’t fought each other?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
How has Belfort done anything to warrant a title shot before them?
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me put it this way
According to Belfort, he’s part of God’s plan. If he’s getting the next title shot, it’s because God wants him to, therefore, it was God’s decision and God is always right! Are you against God’s plan or something?!?!
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, I knew we could come to an agreement! :P
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer my question first.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
haha well answer mine, naw I’m not saying these guys are going out and beating the crap out of everybody your right they haven’t really but there are certain things you do for a title shot and belfort just hasn’t done it yet he doesn’t deserve it as much as those two
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, tell me this- who would you pick in a fight between Belfort and Hendo or between Belfort and Marquardt?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn’t really matter but again Hendo beat Belfort
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
Matt Serra also beat Georges St Pierre.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You think Jones could beat anyone in the top 5 atm? The man has a ton of talent and has a tremendous upside but he is not ready for that yet. Unlike Belfort who has been a force at 205 and is looking even better at 185.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say he could I said if rankings were based only on talent Jones would be top 10. I don’t deny Vitor is a force at 85 I just don’t think he deserves a shot over marquardt or hendo
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And i don’t see why Hendo would deserve a shot over Belfort or Marquardt.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I don’t think he deserves it more then Marquardt but he did already beat Belfort and has a lot more wins at 85 against tougher competition
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea but that was 3 years ago at LHW, he does have more wins in MW but it’s all about what they have done lately.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay lately Vitor’s gotten two wins at middleweight neither of which against guys that are considered top 10 opponents.
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You like to talk a lot about each division separately. So let me tell you this, Hendo has only two wins at 185 after the loss to Silva, one to Paul-harris and one to Bisping, that does not really scream "deserving of a title shot". Nate has three, one to Kampman (not really impressive), to Gouveia, and one to Maia (most impressive). These guys did not clean out the MW division, Anderson did, by taking them out as well as other top contenders out of the way.
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha finally someone brings something to the debate thank you. Your right Anderson should have the credit for cleaning out the middleweight division after all he beat Marquardt and Henderson but the two have put in a lot more work and are far more deserving of a title shot because they are consistently beating top ten competition in their division Vitor can’t say the same
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is consistent? They have 1 top 10 win each (going by your theory that Franklin doesn’t count because it wasn’t at 185.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would a win at a catchweight count? And again Lindland and Martin aren’t even top 20
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should count because the fight happened, but hat’s not what I’m saying.
You keep acting like these 2 guys have destroyed the MW division when it’s categorically not true.
And you can say Lindland isn’t top 20 all you want, that doesn’t change the fact that he was considered higher ranked back then.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The two are a lot more impressive at middleweight then Belfort and I don’t know how you argue that.
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I don’t look at things separately by division, Lindland was top 10 MW weather people likes to admit or not, and Franklin was also top 10 (even though they fought at catch weight). Those are legit competition, the only set back is that only one happened under the UFC banner.
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point I really do but the Lindland fight was less then a year ago and he’s not ranked top 20 anymore in hind sight that win isn’t that impressive and I’m not saying Marquardt and Hendo’s wins are either but the two are facing alot stiffer competition and are more deserving
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re going to discredit that win with that logic you also have to discredit all of Nat’es wins but Maia and all of Hendo’s MW wins.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palhares is not top , Bisping is not top 10 and he imo he should have lost to Franklin, is that impressive?
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have but didn’t Bisping is still ranked higher then lindland and martin
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bisping is higher than Lidland.
Lindland is higher than Palhares.
Martin is higher than Palhares.
If we do it like this in the rankings than it comes down to Franklin which they both beat him, i dont know about you but id go with the knockout over the controversial win.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again at a catchweight and who ranks below top 20
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand what your point and there is no ranking for catch weight.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is how can you say Palhares ranks below martin or lindland and I didn’t say catchweight’s shouldn’t count for something but they shouldn’t put you in contention
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol that’s not really worth debating, Palbhares and Martin are both pushovers, clearing Lindland is better than both of them.
I didn’t say catchwights shouldn’t count for anything either, but beating the ex WW Champ by knockout which has only been done by two other men whom are both Champs is enough to push you over two men who have already had a chance for the title.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha I like your style yeah it’s not worth arguing but I think his win at a catchweight should put him on the radar not over the top I mean really no one win should
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree, and if that’s the case then there should be only one true #1 contender and that’s Nate Marquardt.
Someone get Dana White on the phone and tell him we figured this out for him.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha you and orcus have got me laughing i like you guys but I don’t think I’ve ever seen you two on here granted i don’t usually check out the comments on stories unless they really peak my interest
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m kinda new around here, but I also only check out stories that interests me hehe
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this one’s just funny to me though I don’t mean to be like kanye west to belfort’s taylor swift but this argument has taken just taken new heights
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha I thought that whole thing was hilarious too Kanye needs to do that to dana white
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he is?
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy who’s name is next to the number 8, that we are discssing.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha gotcha I was looking at light heavies for anderson but my point is why is the number 8 getting a shot over 2 and 3
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because 2 and 3 already got destroyed by number 1.
Should we just have Fitch and Alves get completely dominated for 5 rounds by GSP over and over again? or give someone else in the top 10 a shot when it can be done?
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Fitch and Alves start over and clean out their divisions then yes the fair thing to do is give them title shots
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So beating Bisping and Palhares, and beating Gouveia and Maia are two separate instances of cleaning out their division?
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who else should they have to beat to warrant a title shot? Seems to me like Belfort would have to beat one of them to get his shot. I won’t deny that the UFC’s middleweight division is kind of weak but those two are at the top of it not Belfort
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you factor in everything, the choice to me is Belfort.
Either way, it’s not a crime against humanity like you are making it out to be.
They all have similar records at 185, and Belfort hasn’t been destroyed by Silva, those 2 facts make it an ok choice, no one is getting screwed.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if you were working for 3 years for something and a guy comes in and takes it from you wouldn’t piss you off. i don’t think it’s a crime against humanity but I don’t think it’s something people should support
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is this 3 years shit? Has Belfort been twiddling his thumbs for 3 years?
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no but in that time he’s been losing to Hendo and not fighting at 85 while marquardt’s been working for a title shot
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hendo doesn’t count, not 85 (and more than 3 years ago by my calendar
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was in 06 and why shouldn’t it count
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha what does that matter I’m not saying that should push him out of contention but it shouldn’t be forgotten after all the whole argument behind giving belfort a shot before Hendo or marquardt is that they already lossed
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It only matters in your world where only fights at 185 count.
If that fight counts at 205, Belforts KO of Franklin counts more than Hendo’s very close decision to franklin
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify, in your magical 3 year window.
Hendo: 3-2, 2-1 at MW
Nate: 5-2, all at MW
Belfort: 5-0, 2-0 at MW
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just to clarify Hendo and marquardt fight contenders
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see above where i use the logic you used to discredit Belforts opponetns to discredit almost all of Nate and HEndos.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha this argument has gotten ridiculous and out of control the fact is Hendo and Marquardt have worked way harder for a title shot
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does that even mean?
Stephan Bonnar’s been working hard for a title shot, better give him the next one!!
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’ll probably get a decent jump in the rankings after his KO of Rich.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but is he going to replace Hendo or Marquardt as 2 or 3
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they would actually fight each other then he would probably jump one of them.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
why do you keep forgetting that Hendo beat Belfort
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we’re in your dream world where only fights at 185 matter.
by Phildo on Sep 26, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha even if the fight with Franklin counted it’s still one win and 3 fights at middleweight you guys are seriously arguing at this point just not to lose, you’ve gone from the fight will make more money to it makes a better fight to belfort has a better chance to they already had a chance i mean really I’m not living in a dream world here you guys are dillusional if you think one win should get a guy a title shot
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if they fought today he most likely wouldn’t. Should Ryo Chonan be ranked ahead of Anderson Silva?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely not, but one of your arguments is that Marquardt and Hendo don’t deserve this rematch because they’ve lossed to Anderson already well by the same token Belfort has lossed to Hendo. I realize that Belfort isn’t the same fighter but I don’t think Marquardt or Hendo is and I also don’t think that it should be for anyone to decide you win enough fights you should get a title shot.
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man I need to learn to use some commas or something I apologize guys
by drano on Sep 26, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also need to learn how to spell “lost”. :)
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 27, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo was a “champ” (I guess he still is). Hendo almost always barely wins or barely loses, but it’s usually not really as close as it seems.
I’d rather see Hendo against a quality 205er, than Nate fight him although it will be a good fight.
Vitor, who is this guy and title fight? I mean who hasn’t beaten Franklin lately. If were going for a spectacle, I’m for Kimbo vs. A Silva. I hope Vitor talks trash or I see this going 5 rounds with a total of 23 or 26 strikes landed being the factor of a Spider win. Well maybe a 3-4 round KO by Silva’s 10th-15th punch thrown.
by natyong on Sep 26, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vitor, who is this guy and title fight? I mean who hasn’t beaten Franklin lately.
Wanderlei Silva didn’t. Also, the only people to KO Franklin were Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida. So Vitor’s in good company, eh?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 26, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left handed Brazillians known for their striking is apparently Franklin’s kryptonite.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva got a title shot for beating...
Chris Leben! He got the title shot after only one win in the UFC.
Rich Franklin complained in the pre-fight heat-up that Silva was getting his title shot too early, and that you need more than a single win to earn a shot at the title.
Smashing Franklin like Vitor Belfort did is a more impressive accomplishment that beating Leben.
by klown on Sep 26, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And clearly Franklin was wrong about that.
And, the MW division was a weeeeee bit thinner back then than it is now. I mean, Franklin had to defend against Nate Quarry for crying out loud.
by argyle on Sep 26, 2009 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Silva had to defend against Lutter and Irvin.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Cote and Leites, so I guess it must still be thin.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
The Lutter fight was not a title fight.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Lutter fight should and would have been if not for Lutter’s mistake, and not sure why i thought that Irivin’s fight was at MW, but im going to blame staying up all night watching K-1 as the reason for that thinking. =P
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry dude
it happens to us all :P
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Bottom line- wasn’t.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think that came out sounding a little more dick-ish than I intended.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that Lutter was the number one contender and it was suppose to be a title fight which is just showing that most of whom Silva has fought in that weight class has been just as weak as Franklin’s, and really does it matter if the fight technically could have went 5 rounds? It wouldn’t have went the distance and frankly he was lucky enough to get to the second round.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 26, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anderson didn't defend against irvin
that was at 205
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, good point, so neither of the fights he mentioned were title defenses.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 9:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and I forgot about the Lutter thing until you mentioned it :P
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*I only mentioned the comparison in speed with Machida because at one point Anderson, Machida and Vitor all trained with each other. Maybe not all at the same time or anything but they have all three have trained with one another before and im sure they both know from training with Vitor that neither of them is as fast or hard hitting as him.
by buttters on Sep 25, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe they are, out of you and the three of them, one of these has not interacted with the other three.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 25, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making the winner of Hendo/Marquardt fight anyone besides A Silva would do nothing but piss off everyone involved.
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Sep 25, 2009 9:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Awww yeah!
Keep firing Assholes!
The Leafs are back!
by Ubernoober on Sep 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 25, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone watch PRIDE.32?
You know, that event where Hendo beat up Vitor?
Nice vid of Overeem subbing Vitor here as well when they were both LHW’s.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 26, 2009 5:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am a Vitor fan, and love his fighting, but any guy that can take him down and wear him out like Hendo is his kryptonite.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 26, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anderson is not going to be taking him down… but I don’t see how vitor wins this on the stand up either, only if anderson gets sloppy and vitor is able to land one clean power shot.
by orcus on Sep 26, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Nice vid of Overeem subbing Vitor here as well when they were both LHW’s.”
You mean pre-horsemeat?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
We are talking about both of them, right? Vitor was caught by the NSAC for the PRIDE.32 event and Hendo still beat him.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 26, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Belfort has tested clean since then instead of putting on 40 pounds of muscle and running overseas.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 26, 2009 8:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha. So, that somehow wipes out Overeem or Hendo beating Vitor?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 27, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but if you don’t think Vitor is a different fighter now you haven’t been paying attention.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Silva reign will end
He is more talented but always maintained his weakness was his hubris for his hands. Those silly combination won’t work against another elite striker, Belfort’s hands are faster and he hits harder . . . Anderson Silva’s reign will be over in one quick thunderous shot.
Dana is going to be doing a happy dance in the middle of the cage because he no longer has to put up with that unpopular, demanding, diva of a middle weight champion.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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