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Floyd Mayweather/Juan Manuel Marquez PPV Numbers Released

Scott at BadLeftHook with the story:

As promised, HBO released a statement this morning confirming that the Mayweather-Marquez pay-per-view on September 19 did an astounding one million buys. The release said 525,000 buys came from cable, and 475,000 from satellite. $52 million of pay-per-view revenue was generated by the fight.

Mayweather is a pay-per-view superstar, and there is no questioning that anymore.

It's really important to note that the fight was shown in theaters in major cities and the amount of people who bought seats to the theater showing is not yet released so the amount of people who actually paid for the event is not yet known.  Still, these are dramatically better numbers than were being forecast prior to the event.

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I think what this shows is that whole boxing might not be as popular as it used to be it still has a big following and with really big fights only coming up once every few months the fans are more willing to shell out the money than when there was a PPV (what seemed like) every other week.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 25, 2009 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you don’t see huge boxing fights on a regular basis anymore. Makes it easier to drop $50 or whatever for the PPV when one finally does surface.

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by pud333 on Sep 25, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PPV events have never been every other month, they have always been 3-6 months minimum, so, nothing has really changed. Usually 1 (at most 2) mega fights per year. It’s been like that for a while.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 25, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HBO did at least seven or eight boxing PPVs last year. They cut back to about three this year because fights like Pavlik/Hopkins and Jones/Calzaghe completely bombed on PPV.

by rabrown on Sep 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I guess it all depends what your definition of big fights are.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 25, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mexicans <3 JMM

by ryanwk628 on Sep 25, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Germans <3 David Hasselhoff

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 25, 2009 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Haha…I made a similar comment below!

Don’t you know that it is many children’s dying wish to meet him?!?

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now we’re gonna have to suffer through more of Floyd running his mouth. I guess we were gonna have to endure that anyway, but now he’s got numbers to back it up.

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by pud333 on Sep 25, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Worse

Bob Arum

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by RoyalB on Sep 25, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

won’t happen Bob Arum can’t praise Mayweather, he hates him more than he hates MMA fans. also if hurts Pacquiao Mayweather negotiations

by davec84 on Sep 25, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true...

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

I dont get it, I honestly believe that if the ufc showed only a handfull of ppv a year that they would blow these numbers away.. can you even imagine how stacked the cards would be if only a few per year were set up.. hell i would have no problem dropping 50-60 bucks a card. I just dont like how “money” figures that he is the king of anything.. He was dominant but i didnt expect anything less with who he was fighting. Im suprised it went to a boring 12 round decision.. oh well im not trying to compair and say which is better, i just hate how mayweather runs his mouth and everyone makes such a big deal saying boxing is not dead..

by gecko071980 on Sep 25, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha i don’t get why you start by saying you don’t get it. seems like you get it.

by GregS123 on Sep 25, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i saw it at the theatres and the place was packed-sold out. as a matter of fact it said “sold-out” while i was standing in line 15 minutes before showtime. i thought i drove 40 minutes, si screw it i was going to try any way. got up to the ticket booth and was told it was sold out. i asked her if she could check and make sure that there was not at -least 1 seat left and viola! 5 people just cancled abd i was in. the crowd was racous and what alot of people are forgetting to mentio is that there were 3 other very solid undercard fights, probably the best undercard for a ppv fight that i’d seen. iv’e read alot of peoples statement s that the theatre they saw it was packed as well, so i think they will make a nice buck off that too. also, i loved it! only $15 and on the giant screen. peole seemed to get more out of max kellermans(who is excellent) interview with floyd who doged every tough question he asked (about missing weight, would he fight paqiaou, who’s next) i would love to see boxing do this on a regular basis(arum has already said "hell no!! to pac-man-cotto as well as the ufc. i know that everyone is dying to see floyd-pac-man, but after sat nights fight, i see that as a mismatch too. pac is on an even par with marquez an some even think marquez is slightly better, so i can’t see pac-man winning at all. i prefer to see floyd fight shane mosley next, b/c i think he can match floyds speed (almost) and is definetly just as big and probably stronger. zab judah gave floyd fits for about 5 -6 rounds, but was never mentally tough enough. shane is. i’m kinds thinking pac-man might not get past cotto (who is at a much better point in his career, than oscar and hatton was when he fought him), and even if he does, maywether and arum wont do a 50/50 split even though that would be fair, to much ego. shane fights for odlhp and they seem to be able to get along (i use that term loosely) with arum and maywether. i think shane would take a 60/40 split or maybe a little less if the money is right, just to get a chance at floyd. congrats to floyd and marquez for hitting that milllion mark. we may have to wait another year to see floyd fight again, which sucks.

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I have to wonder though how much of those buys came from the Latino audience? Marquez is huge in Mexico and I bet that could have played a huge factor in those numbers.

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by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is irrelevant, since most of the big PPV’s are because of the latino audience. You think its a coincidence De La Hoya was the only guy in boxing who could do mega numbers? Why do you think the UFC and Bellator were trying to get MMA in Mexico and into the hispanic communities?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

everthing’s rellavent.

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe I'm overthinking, but ...

I wonder if Dana ran UFC 103 simply to siphon off enough potential boxing viewers so that UFC 100 would remain the biggest event of the years.

by andherewego on Sep 25, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No he didn't...

103 was on the date well before the Floyd fight got moved to that date after an injury forced a postponement

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looked like a very good card, if 103 wasn’t on I would have definitely bought it. Well if nothing else, Marquez will get a big payday which is cool since I like Marquez a lot.

by Zack Gobie on Sep 25, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to think that this might have been the first time that a lot of people saw JMM fight, because if they did they really don’t have any idea what an awesome/exciting fighter JMM really is.

Hopefully they took the time to look up who he was before the fight (or do so now that they know about him) so they realize how talented (and much bigger) a fighter they saw in PBF – and don’t have a bad picture painted in their minds of JMM, who I think still has some great fights left in him.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not shocking in the least.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Robert Downey Sr. on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is not shocking now since the numbers were released a few days ago, but VERY shocking in how many PPV’s this card did. Most people thought it would do around 600K PPVs.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh, I’m just not shocked. maybe I’m numb…

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by Robert Downey Sr. on Sep 25, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can he repeat?

I’ve mentioned this before elsewhere. While the numbers for this fight may have been exceptional considering the expectations, will Mayweather continue to be a draw with the lackluster performance he showed? I think the non casual fan will think twice before buying again.

I can only hope his complacence doesn’t turn people off watching more boxing and that his success will set up more big fights down the line.

by cyke on Sep 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He put on a boxing clinic and beat him for every second of every round. How was that lackluster?

by Dav11 on Sep 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t stand still with his chin out and unnecessarily let his opponent wail on him?

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol
floyd came forward for most of the fight, and seemingly tried to finish marquez, but marquez has a granit chin, he can be knocked down, but he always gets back up. if anyone thinks it was a lackluster fight, then you would have blame jmm, not maywether.

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i love jmm

he was just outclassed.

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

QFT.

JMM is a warrior and I love his fights – his last fight with Diaz was a CLASSIC comeback. But he was just too out-sized, out-quicked and out-classed.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"out-quicked"

?

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by funnytiger on Sep 25, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...I'm Roger Clemens-ing here.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love it, lol

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by funnytiger on Sep 25, 2009 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I love it, lol

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by funnytiger on Sep 25, 2009 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Because seeing one fighter dominate another makes for a boring fight. It would have been better served to see fire exchanged on both sides.
That’s what makes a fight lackluster. Not taking anything away from how good Floyd looked.

by cyke on Sep 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most people were amazed at how Floyd dominated the p4p#2. That’s what they were talking about. It was far from a boring fight.

by gunranger on Sep 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it was a lethargic # 2 p4p fighting higher than his optimal weight, who looked outclassed. A one sided beatdown does not an epic make. While Mayweather’s performance was great, i’ve seen better fights.

by cyke on Sep 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point completely and can agree with you on that for sure. I guess in that case we basically can’t ask for much more from Mayweather (within the confines of the fight itself) and say that JMM was no match for him. I can see how that doesn’t really turn someones crank.

Hopefully we’re in for some fights coming up that will really push PBF in Manny/Cotto/Mosley.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s hope he steps it up. His stock is soaring right now and he should back it up by taking on the aforementioned fighters.

by cyke on Sep 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope like hell he does, but as I said in another reply below – I get this sinking feeling there’s going to be a lot of time, bitching and maneuvering between now and PBF’s next fight against a dangerous fighter. And then we’ll have to wait again…and again…and again.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn’t call the fight lackluster, you called Mayweather’s performance lackluster. So yes, you were taking something away from how good Floyd looked.

by FRANKIE on Sep 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those of you mma fans who were intrigued by boxing and PBF last weekend – you should try to catch the Vitali Klitschko vs. Chris Arreola heavyweight bout on Saturday night. It could be one of those fights that an up and coming slugger/brawler (but one with good accuracy and skill) forces an elite “boxer” to go into the trenches and makes for a pretty exciting HW slugfest.

There’s a possibility of the first ever Mexican-American HW champion in big Arreola. It’s really going to come down to how in shape Arreola is – he’s a high paced, HEAVY hitter with great finishing ability – but he’s been coming into fights progressively heavier and not in a good way. His weight has weight has been going from mid 230s to around 250lbs and little of this is good weight. He has to come in around 230-240 so that he can press and push Vitali, but if he’s coming in in less than top cardio shape – he’ll allow Vitali to dictate the pace of the fight and pick him apart with a steady diet of hard jabs and get finished in the later rounds.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And...

now I just read an interview saying he’s going to be coming in at 250lbs at the weigh-ins…FML.

Way to get up for the biggest fight in your career Cristobal…well anyways, you’re still going to see someone get KTFO’d (more likely (T)KTFO’d haha)…so if you’re not watching any fight sports already Saturday – watch it.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Areola-Klitschko is not the fight that will make new fans. Areola looks very unrefined and lacks grace when he fights. Vitalu is up there in years and doesn’t have the same fire he used to. It could be good, but i’m not betting on it.

by cyke on Sep 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, my prediction was predicated on an “in-shape” and “motivated for the biggest fight of his career” Arreola showing up, not the 250+ one that will tire and have to conserve energy by only sporadically pressing aggressively. Whether or not he is refined wouldn’t matter if we saw the Arreola that is capable of throwing power combinations in bunches and having the cardio to push someone like Vitali into actually fighting/exchanging, rather than just sitting back and picking away with hard jabs and the odd straight punch.

It could have been a changing of the guard – one from a technically excellent, but overall boring boxer to an “exciting” and aggressive, young (and American) power puncher – that got people excited about heavyweight boxing. And I mean if your baseline is “anemic interest”, it’s not hard to improve on that!

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“my prediction was predicated”

The Department of Redundancy Department.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Department Head Mike Goldberg.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 25, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s sad how little coverage Klitschkk (either one) gets in the US. If you are not an American HW (or at least from an English speaking country) we Americans seem to suddenly think you are no longer legit.

by nottheface on Sep 25, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sad thing is they both speak very good English iirc, so it’s not like that’s holding them back marketing wise. I think this is Vitali’s 3rd or 4th bout out of the Staples Center, so I hope he’s started to get himself a bit of a following in the area.

They’re HUGE in Germany too – just like the Hoff!

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think arreola is the next david tua. lets seee if he can prove me wrong. and wasn’t david ruiz the 1rst mexican-american hw champ?

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean John Ruiz?

If so, The Quiet Man is Puerto-Rican American.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

your’e right, he was puerto-rican. i think got that mixed up b/c they where touting him as the 1rst latino hw champ. my bad. :)

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayweather is a pay-per-view superstar

PFFT, I thought you knew something about Boxing, Brent.

The only fricken reason it sold is becuase the majority of people that bought it were Mexican/Latinos. Not for “Money”, but for JMM.

I saw the fight BTW. Most boring fight ever. Mayweather will get his ass handed to him if he fought someone like Mosely. He fought a fighter 2 weight classes below him and didn’t even make weight. WTH is that? Woah nice victory Money. What a bunch of crap. I have friends who say they are never buying a boxing PPV again.

UFC PPV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boxing PPV regardless of teh numbers. White needs to hop on the Mexican fanbase hardcore.

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mayweather will get his ass handed to him if he fought someone like Mosely.

Which is exactly why Mayweather will duck and run from having to fight Mosley, Paqcuiao, Cotto and/or anyone and everyone who will be a real threat to him. On the basis of these numbers he’ll demand purse splits no-one in their right mind is willing to accept – just because in his own eyes, he’s the draw to end all draws.

by lhasafi on Sep 25, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s full of it. He’s doing what people say Fedor does but he’s actually doing it. Blatantly lol

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah even though Mosley turned down the fight twice? Get real.

Funny how people call Floyd boring yet love Machida alll of a sudden

by gunranger on Sep 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he wasnt feeling the money at the time?

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He ducked PBF twice. It was because at the time PBF was a dangerous fighter and not the ppv draw he is today – he didn’t want to risk himself for a fight he couldn’t make big money off of…now that Shane sees the type of buys PBF pops of course Mosley is going to call him out for a big payday.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't this the SECOND time you've made this EXACT same post?

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by funnytiger on Sep 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Machida is fighting a hell of a lot diff from how the fights were going in the begining… he is exciting to watch now.. i noticed watching the Thiago fight.

by gecko071980 on Sep 25, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mosley ducked Floyd my friend.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

floyd called out oscar too when oscar was at 154 and he was at lw. you can call that ducking, in the kid nate sense, but the fight didn’t make sense at the time, and i don’t think floyd would have folloed through if oscar had accepted, or he would have wanted too much of the lions share. floyd DID duck margarito, when that fight made perfect sense and was offered 8 mil, which would have been his highest payday yet at that time. floyd is very shrewd when it comes to picking his opponents. he hasn’t alway fought the best available, bu the best moey-wise. sooner or later he will be pressured into fighting someone who acutually does have a chance against him, but it aint gonna be easy. the 1rst and only time he did this was the first castillo fight, and that did not go so well for maywether. or he could retire again soon and go down as 1 of the greatest, but not sugar ray (robinson or leaonard) greatness.

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For sure.

Though in hindsight, his turning down of Margarito looks genius now because he most likely would have been fighting a cheater with loaded gloves who could have ended his career.

Floyd definitely is very picky about his opponents – i.e. not Williams or Cotto but will fight Gatti? – but boxing is also a business and we see in mma and boxing that #1 contender is an amorphous concept. I hope he does step up and cement his legacy by fighting the list of elite fighters that are available.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joke?

I think it’s time people let go of this “he was propped up by X” bullshit argument. Every fight he’s been in has drawn huge, but its ALWAYS the other guy Time to re-evaluate your logic when PBF’s fights continue to sell huge. He may not have “fans” but he sure has a lot of people who will pay to see him get his lights punched out.

Everyone was droning on about how JMM was an unknown – “who is this guy? no one’s ever heard of him!” and how his past fights have drawn 300-400k viewers…and how much trouble Mayweather was in because he wasn’t just the foil for the “real box office superstar” and was on his own. Now the numbers come out and the detractors quickly change gears and claim “it’s all the Latinos! it was JMM’s drawing power all along that sold this fight!!”

Give me a break – you guys come off as some slighted prom date…it’s pathetic.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now the numbers come out and the detractors quickly change gears and claim "it’s all the Latinos! it was JMM’s drawing power all along that sold this fight!!"

I never switched gears. Been saying this since the beginning, guy. Let me see Mosely and Mayweather do over 1mill then we’ll talk.

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My apologies.

But from most of what I’d read – you’re in the minority.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JMM’s highest ppv buy #:

400k vs. Manny (Manny’s highest buys prior to that fight were in the 350-365k range).

I don’t know how much I’d attribute of the 400k to JMM, but I’m sure it’s not 100% and I’m inclined to think it’s more like 40-50% on the high end. So we’re going to have to figure out how PBF-JMM managed to get +1M buys when JMM is bringing an audience of ~250k (or most generously 400k) to the fight and when PBF is not a major box office star.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now...be fair to me...

the line you quoted was a quote from Scott at BLH, not my own words.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AHH!!! there is no boxing vs MMA war!!

THE REAL WAR IS BETWEEN PRO WRESTLING PPV vs MMA PPV

but MMA fans dont want to admit this.

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhh, no.

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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is very little crossover between the casual MMA fan and the casual boxing fan..

mma has way more in common with prowrestling in terms of marketing, fan base, and structure.

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Although…boxing somehow manages to have a lot of people involved in wrestling angles – going back as far as I can remember and then even further.

Ali, Frazier, Buster Douglas, Tyson, Holyfield, PBF.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why else did they get Brock?

by ryanwk628 on Sep 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and why people are going ape shit over bobby lashly … becasue both have the same fan base

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People are excited about Bobby Lashley?

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his last fight got over 2 million views on you tube the next day… and yes, just look how many stories are written about him.

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chocolate Rain, Cats playing the piano and “Leave Britney Alone” got even more youtube hits…this doesn’t really translate into anything.

How many people buy ppvs with him on the marquee? How many people paid to watch him wrestle when they gimmicked him into being an unstoppable monster? These are the more pertinent figures to be looking at here.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell is wrong with people?? Brock was a damn good dev wrestler, otherwise dana would no way pick him up for his acting abilities.. anyone on here tell me that if you were a top wrestler in highschool that you wouldnt take a multi million dollar contract with wwe if they offered it to you…

by gecko071980 on Sep 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he didnt get signed becasue of his amateur wrestling at 1-0, its because he can bring over the WWE fan base

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure he was offered money by the UFC before he went to the WWE…so there’s always been interest in him, regardless of his WWE infamy.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?? the UFC made an offer to a college wrestler with no fights and no fan base… ok.

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm

No he wasn’t.

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to make me everybody else"

by Lay 'n' Pray on Sep 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do you know this?? in that case they could sign a buch of wwe stars.. you cant say it just because you think it. They wouldnt have brought a guy over unless they thought he could fight. and now he is the champ. If they did things like you say then they would be called elite xc or strikeforce… or who ever the hell took on jose conseco…lol

by gecko071980 on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really??

why do think they had all those prowrestlers in the $2500 seats for his first fight and put everyone on camera? it had nothing to WWE fan base??

why do you think he headlined a FEG card?

why DONT you think Daniel Cormier is gettting the same treatment by the UFC?

ProWrestlin is not a bad thing… fuck, MMA’s roots all started from prowrestlin in Japan.

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well honestly, all those wrestlers?? Im sure the guy is allowed to have friends… And im sure they could all afford those seats pretty easily.. i think there were only 3 or 4 wrestlers there..

by gecko071980 on Sep 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you say mma roots started from prowrestling? Pro wrestling is prowrestling… boxing is boxing, MMA started when people from diff combat sports competed to see how they did against one another…

by gecko071980 on Sep 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Japan. In the UWF

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-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on Sep 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

brock HAS brought over alot of wrasslin fans, but hopefully they will educate themselves about the sport in it’s entirety, including its history like the tuf fans have for the most part. i haven’t heard the term tuf noob in a while, probably b/c the show has been on for 5 years now and the true fans have done just what iv’e mentioned. alot of the new wrasllin fans should be welcomed imo, as long as they do their homework. a good time for that will be when spike runs its BEST OF PRIDE series, so they can get caught up on why we all know why fighters like big nog, wandy, hendo, shogun and all those great lws. hopefully they show fedor and show why he is so legandary and not cut out fights or fighters that don’t neseccarily benefit zuffa. that would be a shame and take away from the shows premise to me.

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and watch alot of “unleashed”.

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there’s no way they show anything fedor related on that show until he signs.

by Phildo on Sep 25, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s not how pancrese started, and that’s one of the first “mma orgs”

by Phildo on Sep 25, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly believe if they would stop using the spoiled brat mayweather as boxings poster boy, they would MAYBE gain some more fans. but how do you gain fans with a guy like him

by gecko071980 on Sep 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d like a mofo!

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Sep 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, DLH retired and the HW champion is not American.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PBF’s the big reason I’ve followed boxing the past few years.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PBF = Brock

people love to hate the heel.

WWF has proven this for YEARS.

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by ekc on Sep 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that’s the bottom line, cuz ekc said so.

by Phildo on Sep 25, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

You have to give Mayweather credit for his consistent ppv draw…but I can’t stand the guy personally. Great fighter—true…I can’t say this was a good matchup for him since Marquez is a much smaller/weaker boxer than him. This doesn’t confirm his status as best PfP boxer since he took time off. You can’t just retire and come back and expect to retain that title as the best. You have to re-earn it….just my opinion

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by brohamm1978 on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Manny is still considered #1 p4p.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes by the ring, which counts the most, but yahoo has floyd at #1. hard to argue when floyd just absolutley dominated a fighter to whom many consider manny’s equal, in jmm. best way to settle it is for them too fight. good luck witht one huh?

by bdw on Sep 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL….indeed.

Manny still needs to get by a very tough Cotto first. I’m pretty concerned that we’ll be waiting a long time and wading through a lot of bitching/maneuvering before we see Floyd’s next fight against a real threat.

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by The_Gaijin on Sep 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1/1A seems like the best arrangement to me right now.

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by Mike Fagan on Sep 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beating a smaller guy after coming in overweight just screams pound for pound relevancy to me…

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 25, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something wrong with the site? It looks screwey.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boxing isn't dead at all. In fact its growing worldwide and in America.

Some of the best ppv numbers ever have come recently and there is multiple boxers who can headline a ppv and draw a million buys or more. Boxing is doing just fine, and anyone who says its dead is a brain dead mma fan or just an uneducated observer.

by Upstait on Sep 25, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Floyd will beat pac man and that’s why Arum probably wont make the fight…

a million buys is excellent. HBO cut down their ppv’s to like 3 a year which was a smart move because it forces fighters to make the most of it… unfortunately in this case Mayweather didn’t.

This doesnt bode well for retention. Its better long term to make more competitive fights and get less buys than milking the starving fans by orchestrating another sparring session because you will retain most of the viewers and increase it moving forward.

Mayweather just wants to make money now… he could care less about the long term prospects of the sport… this is why MMA should never become “all about the fighter”.

Yeah boxing looks like its still has legs and if you look at some numbers it looks like those legs are stronger than ever… what you have to keep in mind is right now 1 out of 2 americans is over 50 years old. The baby boomers have reached an advanced age and statistically this is when they spend most of their money (whatever wallstreet didnt spend for them)… so demographically speaking this SHOULD be the best market situation for Boxing. The bad news is this is also the PEAK. The baby boomers will die… Boxing isnt getting any bigger than it already is in Mexico…

And regarding the monster demo that is the latino/mexican market… UFC’s numbers on mexican TV beat out national soccer and boxing

The indoctrination of the last great boxing demo has begun and its surprisingly successful.

The sub markets of England, Germany, etc… is being attacked as well.

Boxing looks like its doing just fine because the baby boomers are coming of age where they spend the bulk of their money but the numbers that really count is the production of “NEW” fans.

1 out of 2 americans right now are over 50 years old… If boxing isn’t doing great now where 50% of americans grew up watching it then when? Because the kids from the past 2 decades haven’t been growing up watching boxing.

by mmalogic on Sep 25, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“UFC’s numbers on mexican TV beat out national soccer and boxing”

It seem like u now your stuff but I’m curious as to where you get these numbers. All of my mexican friends (which are many) bought the Marquez fight and I was the only guy that got UFC (as well as the only guy that didn’t feel ripped off at the end). I can’t find the ratings, so since you seem to know where to get it, can you post a link or is this a publication you subscribe to? Thanks!

by nochapi on Sep 25, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, UFC on mexican network TV beat out National Soccer and Boxing (both were on network TV) .. this was in July. You cant fairly compare ufc 103 with mayweather as it wasnt on network TV (Im pretty certain the mayweather fight would have won that though).

by mmalogic on Sep 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so any word on how many buys the UFC card got

by drano on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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