Dana White says "Who the f**k are they going to find to fight Herschel Walker": (audio)
"I think it's ridiculous," White said. "People think we're anti-competition? We're anti-dumb competition. Doing stupid things like this, putting a 50-year-old guy in the Octagon for the first time, and then going out there putting out press releases like it's a big deal because you signed a 50-year-old Herschel Walker? Are you serious?"
"Which athletic commission is going to let this guy fight?" White asked. "Who the f**k are they going to find to fight Herschel Walker? A guy in a wheelchair?"
"It's completely disrespectful to the sport."
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Dana speaks truth.
“Disrespectful to the sport” is dead on.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
When has he been in a wheelchair? Was Dana being sarcastic in reference to his age?
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Dana is never sarcastic, what are you talking about?
by Phildo on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disrespectful how?
Walker is 47, which by my math is the same age as Randy. The two are not comparable in terms of fighting, but as far as fitness goes they definitely are. He is going to get some really easy fights & if loses them what is the big deal?
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randy isn’t going to be fighting for the first time…reread what he said, your interpretation isn’t what he was saying. randy has been fighting for over a decade and its much easier to gauge if he’s in fighting condition if he’s been fighting regularly vs someone that has never competed in MMA before deciding to compete when he hasn’t been training in any competitive physical sport since he retired from the NFL.
Dude! Read what I wrote.
They are not comparable in terms of fighting. You cant simply say someone at 47 could not possibly compete in MMA. If the man passes physically & is willing to step in there, let him do it. Who cares?
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Comparing this guy to Randy is stupid.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Randy has been wrestling and fighting at the highest levels for YEARS. Herschel played TKD when he was young. NO COMPARISON. NONE.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 24, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on man.
If you want to comment fine, but read what I wrote before you go off about one line. I was comparing their age & relative athetic condition at their age. I said you cant compare their fighting credentials.
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I read what you wrote. And it’s crazy. The fact that you don’t see that? Further crazy.
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Yeah, lets just compare
MMA/wrestling credentials & not bring up anything else. Wow, what a good way to view things in life.
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Yeah, let’s ignore the things that have any sort of bearing on whether or not this guy is qualified to fight.
Let’s also ignore that he’s CRAZY. CRAAAAAAAAAZY.
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Who gives a shit if he is qualified to fight?
If he passes the physical & wants to then why do you care so much? I personally dont care. If the man thinks he can do it & wants to try his hand at it then let him do it. And the crazy comment? Really? Like Herschel Walker even compares to some of our current MMA fighters.
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No, he really is mentally ill
He has multiple personality disorder, which has been exacserbated by the collisions playing football, and who knows what will happen when he takes a couple of shots.
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by woomikee on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
THANK YOU.
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Above for you too Jemaleddin
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Dude
You clearly don’t understand why people are concerned about this.
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I am concerned about him as well.
But I put my faith in the medical professionals who are trained/licensed to make those decisions. Not my fellow BE members.
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Ah yes
The commissions. Thank goodness we have those paragons of fairness looking after Herschel.
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I dont deny that,
but you cant say that someone MPD was exacserbated by football. And like I said-IF HE CLEARS MEDICALLY.
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I agree
You can’t say that someone’s DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder… it is no longer referred to as MPD) is exacerbated by repeated trauma to the head and brain. Course… I don’t think you can say that is NOT exacerbated by repeated trauma to the head and brain either…
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This is my only concern. I don’t see how shots to the head affect this disorder, but I am sure the doctors would weigh in on this topic.
Exactly.
Is anyone here a doctor?
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I can’t wait for the era of MMA that a 47 year old man wouldnt even THINK of competing in the professional level of this sport for the first time. No one that age tries to become a football, basketball, baseball player or boxer so why is it possible for him to be a MMA fighter? This is a disgrace to this sport.
What makes you so sure Walker is in such good shape?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What in his history makes you question that he is?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
He claims to still do 2500 situps and 1500 pushups every morning. If true, that would indicate decent shape.
And that claim has been made by people
around him since he was a kid so I dont see why it would be much different now. He still looked ripped on the Apprentice.
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I claim to bang supermodels.
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Well if you claim it for your entire life
& that is verified by multiples of people in your life then I believe you too. Maybe I am naive, but I guess chicks may dig your pic.
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Pat Robertson can leg press thousands of pounds
…thanks to his age-defying shake.
And yet I’m still skeptical.
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I just watched that awful video.
It says he can leg press 2000 lbs, oh, but we only have a video of him leg pressing 1000 lbs, and he’s barely bending his knees and using his arms to help and nearly killing himself in the process. Jesus Christ (that’s for you, Pat)
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 24, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And I dont call
barely bending your knees legpressing. There are tards at my gym that stack tons of weight & do that same BS crap.
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Why do you hate Jesus?
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There's a difference?
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Why does GNC hate Jesus?
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Easy jemaleddin,
no religious talk here! lol
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Why do you hate religion? :-)
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Yeah, but you weren’t using them for very long.
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Meh
That doesnt matter at al. If you are in it, you are in it. Time is relative.
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Dude, I may have been getting seconds..
…but he was only there for seconds.
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by szucconi on Sep 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well as long as you're happy
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Is there anything else to be concerned about?
lol
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I tried to provide those ladies with a quality experience
And judging from the way my phone keeps ringing, I’d say that I did.
Meanwhile, the last time I saw szucconi, Chris Hansen was offering him a seat.
(Just kidding!)
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Well I think your choice of words (tried)
speaks to what you really accomplished, lol. There are times for a marathon & times for a sprint.
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And you should have seen szucconi sprint!
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Myself, I am a marathon runner. I finish up quickly and run back to my place so I can carb load and get some shut eye.
That is the way to do it.
But it better finish quickly so you can watch the walk of shame.
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And I believe him.
There have been tons of people who confirmed that.
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I mildly disagree. 30 and 47 are worlds apart as far as age, but Walker was wrapped up in other sports for most of that time. He is arguably a better athlete then Randy, granted way past his prime. But its not a José Canseco situation where he needs money. He has an interest.
Which Herschel has an interest?
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Ooooh
That’s a good Herschel. But I was hoping for the one that picks his nose ans goes by “Louie.”
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He is arguably a better athlete then Randy
For real? People are willing to argue that Randy is similar athletically to Walker? Walker was a freak athlete even for football. You can tell me about Randy’s skill, heart and desire to improve but you can’t tell me hes athletically in the same world as Walker.
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by Day Man on Sep 24, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is true.
There was never mention of Randy’s athleticism until he was old already. Walker has been a genetic freak since he was a teenager & even by NFL standards.
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I am actually looking forward to this. I am sort of a big Walker fan. When I was a kid and I was starting football, my dad explained Walkers workouts and how he was a world class athlete. This was around the time he was on the bobsled team. He was a world class sprinter and one of the few NFL guys that I think has what it takes cardio wise. Sure he is too old to make an impact in a division, but very few fighters make an impact. I have more of a problem with guys with no training or conditioning getting in the ring. He was a world class athlete. Sure he is old, but he is in better condition to fight then me.
by szucconi on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m guessing that’s why strikeforce didn’t sign you? ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The flak is over the pub they get with his name. 7 years ago MMA was nothing, but if Walker would have fought then it would have been no big deal. Oh, and I could fight. I have a pretty good wrestling base, but I have a glass chin and a real job. I am just saying I am not in the ballpark of Walker athletically speaking, even when he is 47. He is special. He is like an athletic rainman.
But why on Earth would anyone fault a smaller show
for trying to do something for publicity? That is kind of the point of their company. They are not running out Vick to fight pit bulls.
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if they found someone to fight a guy without arms or legs, they can probably find a guy to fight herschel walker
Maynard fought in a fringe promotion on an unsanctioned event..
Just saying..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
right
i’d have to assume it’s easier to find someone to fight a middle aged guy in a sanctioned event than it is to fight a cripple in somebody’s barn.
I know what you mean
Just saying it’s two completely different situations..
Either way, i think it’s a stupid move.. 47 year old rookies who want to try MMA shouldn’t be fighting for the UFC’s biggest competitor. They should try out smaller promotions first IMO.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
But you are missing the entire point of signing him.
The company wants the publicity that comes with that signing. Like it or not, not every MMA signing is because the promotion thinks the guy they signed would be a great champion someday. After seeing Lesnar fight once do you think Dana had visions of his next champion right away or was he looking at the publicity signing Lesnar would bring? Brock is 15 years younger, but the point is still the same.
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1 pro MMA fight where he dominated his opponent, Biggest Guy in The UFC, Great Amateur Credentials, wants to fight the best guys, Huge WWE following..
He’s wasn’t signed ONLY cause he had a name. That’s a HUUUUGE difference.
Lesnar was thrown to the wolves to prove if he could hang with the best.. Wrong comparison my friend.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a completely viable comparison.
The opponent nor the outcome of the fights have nothing to do with this conversation. And I did not say he was only signed because he had a huge name, but make no mistake about it, it was a HUGE part of the deal. The point I am trying to make is that this is a public viewing driven industry & smaller promotions have to do whatever it takes to get more eyeballs on their product. You cant always simply depend on talent to get you by if you want to be a successful company especially going up against the UFC.
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lol @ viable
right, i mean thats why sapp signed to fight laslhey
cos he’s such a huge name!
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 24, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about dude?
First of all, Sapp is a big name in MMA & it the opponent really has no bearing on this conversation. Read before you decide to add something that is A. wrong & B. makes no sense.
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And your last line really gives my point credence.
HUGE WWE FOLLOWING=many new UFC viewers.
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1 pro MMA fight where he dominated his opponent, Biggest Guy in The UFC, Great Amateur Credentials, wants to fight the best guys, Huge WWE following..
He’s wasn’t signed ONLY cause he had a name. That’s a HUUUUGE difference.
Lesnar was thrown to the wolves to prove if he could hang with the best.. Wrong comparison my friend.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously.
dana understands the publicity game just as much as strikeforce does.
how else do you explain kimbo slice.
Thank you.
And after coming out & publicly declaring “Kimbo Slice will never fight in the UFC”!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
That is exactly what Dana said.
He also made basically these exact same type of comments about Kimbo fighting MMA period.
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I thought he said that the only way Kimbo would make it into the UFC was through TUF. And behold!
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That was well after Kimbo
lost against Petruzelli.
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Beat ya to it.
Nyah nyah!
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He actually said
he would only make it if he WON TUF. Now we hear he is going to fight in the UFC regardless of if he wins or not.
BOOSH
I thought the phrasing was
he had to go through TUF house. Did Dana ever clearly say he had to win TUF to get into the UFC?
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
"He can be on The Ultimate Fighter. What’s he done other than get 10 million hits on YouTube? What’s he done to deserve to be in the UFC? Nothing," said White. "I don’t consider him a real athlete. He won’t win The Ultimate Fighter. The offer’s out there if he wants to take it, (but) he won’t win it." – Dana
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Dana understands publicity too..
But at this point in time, signing a 3-1 guy and letting him prove himself, is completely different from what elite and strikeforce did..
Signing a 0-0 YouTube star and a (0-0) 47 year old football player and acting like it’s a big deal is just lame..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
To each his own I guess.
I just dont have a problem because I realize the reason why they are doing it.
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Publicity.
And they’re saying that it isn’t cause of that..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I responded back to you further down about this.
No company is going to publicly admit that they are doing some primarily or completely for the publicity.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
And Kimbo was not signed
for any other reason than his videos were going crazy at that time.
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So since Herschel is certifiably crazy
…it all works out?
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Ah who am I kidding,
I think it’s a dumb move, but if it’s on a major strikeforce card, I’d be searching for a stream of it. Haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is one of those things where I would
watch for the possibility of a trainwreck or who knows maybe he can do something? Doubtful, but hey.
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As always,
I completely agree with Dana’s position on an MMA related topic, but wish he would articulate it less provocatively.
Herschel Walker v. ???
So far:
Abe Wagner
Jon Madsen
James McSweeny
Wes Shivers
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Sep 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah really
dana white is the savior of mma, proponent of respect for the sport and fighter safety.
yet puts on a show that showcases guys who can’t even make it out of the first round without their heart exploding. i’m certain the first public death in mma will take place in the UFC or on TUF.
except that one that already happened in texas, and every other one that doesn’t happen in the UFC, right?
i said public mma death, and by that i mean a major promotion or large regional promotion. the ufc would never compare themselves against something smaller.
sam vasquez died fighting in a promotion whose website i can’t even find.
Exactly, so the first death that takes place in the UFC will happen in the UFC, great.
No other org is as popular as the UFC, a death in other org will not come close to generating the publicity.
by Phildo on Sep 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This post made me laugh. Choi’d.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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Murder
murder
murder
murder
more like Bo cantrell, tank Abbott, some guy we have never heard off.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, I was bemoaning the attrocious displays put on by the aforementioned fighters, so I agree that Madsen, McSweeny, and Shivers demonstrated certain elements in their fights that could lead one to conclude that they could, in fact, beat Herschel Walker.
But Abe Wagner? What about his performance on TUF leads you to believe that he would do anything but lay there and bleed if he were to fight Herschel Walker? He’s younger, sure, but from what I’ve seen of the man, he, at best, is on the same skill level as Walker.
Let me clarify: I think Herschel Walker, at 47, trying to begin a career in MMA in Strikeforce of all places is ludicrous. He has no chance, zero, of accomplishing anything worthy of historical recognition, much less of ascending to the top of the Heavyweight division. With that in mind, think of how little I must think of Abe Wagner to make the statements I’ve made about him. He, with the possible exception of that Baby Huey stand-in that Ken Shamrock beat, is as embarassing an MMA fighter as I can recall off the top of my head, and I can recall Tela Tuli, Son of Zulu, Emmanuel Yarborough, and a lot of other goofball freak shows off the top of my head. Kyle Maynard isn’t even as bad as Abe Wagner; at least he actually attempted to fight.
I’m very happy that Abe Wagner is gainfully employed as an executive, or manager, or what ever the exact position he holds is, because it’s is 100% clear to me that he has no future in MMA. None.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
"He has no chance, zero, of accomplishing anything worthy of historical recognition, much less of ascending to the top of the Heavyweight division"
Are these the only guidelines people should use to fight or not?
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BJ MUST QUIT RIGHT NOW
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BJ Penn...
…stands no chance against Brock OR Fedor. Real Talk.
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BJ Penn is a pretty good Lightweight, I think. I recall him winning a couple of fights, maybe a championship or two along the way, going out there, trying to prove something.
I mean, yeah, ok, ha ha he won’t beat the best heavyweights in the world. Sure, in his mind, he’d like to think that he could, but it’s not like he’s all bluster and no action. He’s got a bit of a resume. Just a bit.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I think he was joking,
but I dont think he is a BJ fan so that probably had something to do with it. But should every person under BJ, Machida, Silva & Brock just say fuck it & throw in the towel?
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Sure, but since it was brought up, I figured what the hell, let’s address it. Pretty much any discussion of BJ Penn is a good discussion as far as I’m concerned.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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Oh he was joking
And he is ALL over BJ’s nuts.
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Well that’s the goal in any competition, isn’t it? To achieve all that you can in the sport? Otherwise, what’s the point of competing?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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Do you play basketball to be the best, or because you enjoy the sport and like to compete?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Yes.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Because they are claiming that
it makes it so?
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I guess.
I know this is strictly a publicity move so it doesnt bother me. I think EliteXC made that same claim a while back as well.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Sure. I’m all for freak show MMA and getting paid when you can. I’m not convinced that Herschel Walker is the right guy for either role, but that’s neither here nor there.
As I said in another post, that line about Walker not accounting for anything in the sport was to set up just how little I think of Abe Wagner, who I had previously mentioned as a possible opponent whose skillset would be such that Walker would stand a chance. I just wanted to crush him because, a week later, I am still angry about how terrible that fight was. I mean, if laying on your back and bleeding were offensive manuevers, Abe Wagner would be Fedor. Sadly, they aren’t, and he’s not.
And now people will likely retort with “OH, I DIDN’T KNOW YOU HAD TO BE FEDOR TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT!” To which I will reply: “Oh, get over yourself.” So, hopefully we’ve nipped that in the bud and everyone can go on to other things.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I love that you are on Abe Wagner so hard.
I was on my couch yelling how in the fuck is this guy even on the show. And where is his “decent” striking & BJJ at??
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See, that’s what I’m saying. That was the whole point of qualifying Herschel Walker as, ultimately, nothing in the sport. The question was asked: who would they get to fight Walker. I made my suggestions, someone responded that Wagner would “murder” Walker, and that simply could not stand.
Instead, we get this whole brew-ha-ha about the rhyme or reason behind fighters getting into MMA, the significance of “celebrity” status for rookie MMA fighters, and whatever else we all got on about.
Let’s just all agree that Abe Wagner is terrible and call it a day, shall we?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I missed everyone elses comments
about Wagner.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
By claiming and by signing Fedor, yes it does.
You can’t be upset at Dana for calling them a regional promotion and a joke and then defend them when they act like a regional promotion and a joke. They need to pick their poison, and by signing Fedor, they put their big boy pants on.
If they sign walker before the Fedor signing, and are still having all their fights in San Jose and on Showtime. Great, brilliant move. But now that they are claiming and trying to be the big boys, they need to start acting like big boys.
if Dana signed this guy the internet would explode. They signed Fedor, they have to play by the UFC’s rules and standards now.
Ever heard of transitioning? Do you become such over night?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Only fans make stupid claims like that. Again, Strikeforce has never done so.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, no. They never claimed it, and if you believe that, you are pretty naive or just bitter in the first place.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesn’t matter what they say.
ACTIONS are what matters, not the stupid bullshit that comes out of promoters mouths.
They signed fedor. That happened, that’s a fact. It doesn’t matter what they claim, they are the big boys now.
Signing Fedor is something a top tier org would do. Signing Walker is something a lover level org would do. They did both, they need to pick one.
This whole post is people agreeing with what a rival promoter is saying. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So, you are saying that PRIDE was never a big boy promotion sine they never signed Fedor and a fighter that should have never been in the ring?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Pride was a big boy promotion because they signed Fedor.
pride was a joke because of the various amounts of bullshit they pulled.
PRIDE was a big boy promotion BEFORE Fedor was even there. Thank Takada and Rickson for that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Phildo love your stuff but I think you’re being overly critical here. We could easily point out a bunch of low caliber stuff the UFC has done in the last couple years:
- Having a reality show were guys pee in each other’s food is what the best do?
- Having a President who can’t go one interview with out dropping the f-bomb or insulting someone.
-Having an ex pro-wrestler who’s 2-1 and who’s only victory of note was over Heath Herring fight for the HW championship is what the best do?? (I know he’s proven himself since then, but that still seems pretty rinky-dink)
And people point that shit out all the time, and there’s no problem with it.
That’s what I don’t get. When the UFC does something like this they are assholes and can get called out, when people call out SF for doing it they are the assholes.
It can’t be both ways. Zuffa is not the only org that is allowed to be criticized.
Signing Fedor was
a great move & was done so to keep him away from the UFC. That by itself doesnt make Strikeforce a big boy.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Strikeforce isn’t Fedor by himself. They have several great fighters and, easily, the most healthy roster of talent this side of the UFC.
That, folks, capped off by the signing of the greatest fighter in history, makes them a big boy, the number two promotion, a (potential) rival to the UFC, etc.
This is not BODOGFight. This is not the first Adrenaline. This is not an organization built around one fighter. This is not Affliction. This is not an organization, rich in talent though it might be, that overspends to an obscene degree.
This is Strikeforce, which has a history of (financially) successfull promotion in MMA. That, with their entire talent pool, including Fedor, makes Strikeforce a legitimate, big-time MMA organization.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
They do have talent,
but they would not have Mousassi w/o Fedor. And there are stills of people who have absolutely no idea who Fedor or Strikeforce is. This is about trying to reach another demographic & people know Herschel Walker & his appearing nationally on the Apprentice has to help.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Who said I was upset with Dana?
I said that I know this was strictly a publicity move. Do you think the signing of Herschel Walker is going to cause the downfall of Strikeforce?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
not you in particular, but people.
This is a small time, regional promotion move. Not a “where the best fight the best” we’re better than the UFC move. They made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.
I’d have no problem with this move before the Fedor signing, now it’s a joke.
LOL, I like how everyone has opinion about what Strikeforce should and shouldn’t be. The reality is that they are still a regional promotion transitioning to a bigger promotion.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you mean.
Do people like Phildo really believe that strikeforce signed Fedor and woke up the next day with 2 billion dollars under their pillow and some big boy pants? Suddenly they can afford to just sit around hoping everything works out.
THEY ARE A BUSINESS. They are a small promotion transitioning into a major promotion and they need the publicity and marketing associated with risks like this. They’ve been on the scene 2 months and now so many of you expect them to achieve the autonomy that the UFC has spent more than 10 years creating for themselves.
I love me some dana white/UFC but the nuthuggery here is astounding sometimes.
by nastyem on Sep 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Strikeforce is claiming to be the NBA?
Last I heard, it was only the UFC that was making those claims.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe in the 80s. Most guys now play in the NBA to make the most money.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Making a shitload of money and being the best in the sport are not mutually exclusive.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Well kind of.
If it was only about money they would all be playing in Greece now. At least Kobe & Lebron would be.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Thats not stopping a bunch of NBA players from leaving the NBA to play in Europe. It will happen more and more in the future.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You play basketball
because you’re too tall to wrestle.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I always thought it was the other way around; you wrestle if you’re too short for the basketball team.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Thats how it was at my high school. The wrestling team was for the tough guys with no athletic ability and the cross country team was for the weak guys with no athletic ability.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Yup
Football and basketball (sometimes baseball) are usually the #1 choices.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it is.
But the reality in every sport is that there a select few who will ever accomplish those goals. The majority of every sport is comprised of the lower level guys who will never accomplish anything substantial.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Absolutely.
The pursuit of that accomplishment is the key in all of this. I mean, it’s one thing to work your ass off and fall short of the pinnacle. It’s another to, say, waltz into the number two fighting organization in the world, with no experience because you happened to be an all-time great college FOOTBALL player and a good NFL player.
I’m being hyperbolic to prove a point, but there is truth in there.
And don’t misunderstand, I’m not begrudging Walker or Strikeforce from making money off of this circumstance. I’m just saying that, if you look at this logically, the signing of Herschel Walker to Strikeforce isn’t going to mean anything in the long run. And let’s be clear, his signing is not on the same level as any other fighter, and I’m talking about a career fighter here, signing with Strikeforce.
But anyway, I’m a little upset that folks are harping on a throw away line I said leading up to my crushing of Abe Wagner. Let’s focus on how awful that guy is; that was what I really wanted to focus on with that post.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
'I’m just saying that, if you look at this logically, the signing of Herschel Walker to Strikeforce isn’t going to mean anything in the long run.
Exactly my point. Which is why I dont care at all about them signing him. If he clears medically.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
This just dumb. But if he clears medically, I guess there’s nothing stoping him.
I love me some Sexyama!
I'm all for him in fighting MMA
I just don’t like the fact that it’s the second biggest promotion in the US that’s acting like this isn’t just a publicity stunt.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you know they are not going to come out & say that it is
a publicity stunt just like the UFC wont do with Kimbo. We all know their real motives, but in the end it is still a business.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
If he was still fighting for EliteXC or Strikeforce, people would be irate.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that the same as you trumpeting him a year ago constantly and now jumping in and taking potshots whenever his name is mentioned now that he plays for the other team?
Let me know when that happened. I wasn’t even posting on BE when he started fighting for EliteXC.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Herschel fighting, I saw nothing wrong with Kimbo fighting as long as they fought people in their age and skill level. Plain and simple.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody as old and skilled as Herschel?
Let me call the janitor at my building…
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
And I say if he can find his way to the arena-
LET EM FIGHT!!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
You'd pay to see that, wouldn't you?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
No,
but I would look for it on YouTube & laugh really hard. But all of your janitors buddies would for sure buy a ticket to see him take on Herschel Walker.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It’d be really strange if he were still fighting in EliteXC.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Well, obviously the assumption would be if he stuck around. Remember his other alternative, boxing with the Shaws? =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I never had beef with kimbo..
I just didn’t like how elite was marketting him as the baddest man alive..
The kimbo issue has nothing to do with the UFC vs elite or whoever like what you are obviously still hung up on… Kimbo isn’t getting as much flack now cause he isn’t being marketed as the next coming of Christ. Not cause he’s in the UFC.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but both are meant for ratings, publicity, etc. That was the real reason. EliteXC was never going to put Kimbo in a HW title match, at least not that soon. To tell you the truth, it was more the fans who hailed Kimbo as such.
EliteXC had Rogers and Antonio Silva. There was no way Kimbo was getting near the belt. It was all for publicity.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
EliteXC was marketing kimbo as the baddest striker alive.. Idiot fans bought it.. Not the other way around.
They were never gonna put kimbo in a title match cause it would prove that the were shams.. But lo and behold Seth petruzelli beat him and their lie was exposed and the company went under..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Striker, yes, fighter, no. Thats the only way they could really market him. Like I said, it is all for publicity and ratings.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head.
But you cant deny they were successful at doing that. Had they not spent so much in overhead it was a good plan. These things are not long run plans, but for the short time they have they possibility of working out very beneficially.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Just look at the TUF ratings and it is pretty obvious.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No Love For Charities?
Herschel is going to donate his winnings to Charity. That is class. Not everyone fights to be a champion, but because they love they sport and competition.
This might be the stupidest thing you’ve ever written.
Everything is ok because the money is going to charity?
by Phildo on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This might be the stupidest thing you’ve ever written.
I have already mentioned that if he is cleared and they find someone of his experience, age, etc, I see nothing wrong with it.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
None of that matters.
I don’t give a shit if the guy wants to fight, if he is health and can go for it.
1) It’s a joke that he’s going to be fighting in the place where Fedor went “so the best can fight the best”
2) Him donating his money to charity has absolutely no bearing on the situation.
if I was going to rob a bank and donate the money to charity it would be OK because the proceeds were going to charity?
LOL, i have no idea what you are talking about. Said he is a classy guy fighting and giving his proceeds.
1) So he shouldn’t be fighting in Strikeforce because Fedor is there? Okay, thats some great logic.
2) Him donating his money means he is not doing this because he is broke and has no other options, like many guessed.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You titled your post “no love for charities” implying that we were hating on charities.
The fact that he is donating his money to charity has nothing to do with anything in regards to this being a publicity stunt from SF (even though they say it isn’t) or that he could be doing this in small shows.
1) It was meant that at least he is doing it for a good cause.
2) Nothing wrong with doing it in Strikeforce.
3) Everyone knows this will get them publicity, what is the point of arguing that. No promotion company will say, yeah, this is purely a stunt guys, Just letting you know.
4) The Strikeforce Challenger shows are small shows, so, whats the problem again?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
There are thousands of smaller organizations in which Walker’s philanthropic endeavor would be more appropriate. If Strikeforce is to be considered a legitimate alternative to and on the level of the UFC, they should not accommodate potential fighters who are not interested in achieving the highest levels that the sport/organization has to offer.
Unless of course that person can make the organization copious amounts of money, which Herschel Walker cannot.
Besides, I would imagine that Herschel made more than a few dollars during his days playing in the NFL. If he really wants to give to charity, why is he making his donation on winning a fight as a 47-year old rookie?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Well if he brings in any new viewers
of a decent number, wouldnt that be worth their investment?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Define “any.”
And then, it depends on whether or not those viewers are willing to pay to see him fight.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Well I am not a business major,
but if he ups their viewership by even a few percentage points and/or ups their ticket sales he would have done his job right? And arent they planning on being on CBS? So the more viewers the more advertising.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Doing stupid things like this, putting a 50-year-old guy in the Octagon for the first time
Dana, Strikeforce doesn’t have an Octagon. Its capitalized in the quote because its your trademark.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Sep 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what critics of MMA like Bob Reilly would think of MMA allowing a 47 year old man with a serious mental disorder to fight?
Just BE.
Ray Lewis said it best...
Lewis also had some advice for former NFL running back Herschel Walker, who is going to participate in mixed martial arts: “Tell Herschel to let it go.”
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Yeah, career advice from Ray Lewis. Good idea.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Why wouldn’t he be a good person to take advice from?
He stabbed 2 people and is still making millions and eating Sproles for lunch. He’d probably ahve some pretty good advice.
Well you can take advice from him then, lol.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
LOL
I can see Ray in MMA a few years after he is done with the NFL.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that what he used against the Chargers?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, against the Chargers he did the ’ol “Moses parting the Red Sea” play.
Or, as I like to call it, “rushing a 5’8” running back up the guy on 4th & 2 with two starting interior linemen out of the game and a Quarterback who has torched the secondary for over 400 yards already in the game."
But what I call it is verbose.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
A while back there was a rumor on what I can only assume was MMABay (and you’ll understand why in a second) that Ray Lewis had signed a contract with the UFC.
Keep in mind that Ray Lewis is still an active player in the NFL through all of this.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
And with that, I’ve joined the Farthammer fan club.
Which is kind of embarrassing typed out like that.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
You think that's embarrassing?
Try coming up with “Farthammer” as a handle, then finding out there exists a porn site of the same name. Then finding out what occurs on said site.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 24, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Congratulations, I just gave you a pity Choi.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I like this quote by Cage Potato:
Now we await White’s apology to the American Association of People with Disabilities, wherein he takes the opportunity to say that he totally believes there are some guys in wheelchairs who could beat Walker in an MMA fight. But White also lambasted the move as "disrespectful to the sport," which seems like grounds enough for us to ask, does he have a point, or is he just saying what Dana White says when a competitor does anything?
I like Dana usually, but if he insults Herschel again then Mr. White goes on my list.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Did everybody 4get about that black dude...who fought in UFC?
was it UFC 2 or 3 when that old ass 56 year old guy fought.,…without gloves no rules….and guess what…it was okay. but now its not? i say whoever whants to fight let them fight if they win…more power to them if not…atleast they would not want to fight ever again.
That's THE "Black Dragon" Ron Van Clief to you pal
Dana wasn’t in charge of the UFC back then, there were no contracted fighters, and those sort of match ups led to UFC getting banned in many states and kicked off PPV. Not exactly sure how this helps your point. And he was only 51 back then thank you very much.
Though with that said, I agree with you. Walker wants to fight, the only people that have the right to tell him are the athletic comission and that’s only if he wants to fight in a sanctioned event. He can always go to Native American Casino and fight Butterbean. I’d watch an amateur videoo of that.
But back on topic, I think what Dana in his not so eloquent way of stating things, means exactly what someone pointed out either near the top of this post or another, but no other high level sport lets a guy no matter how athletic walk off the streets at 47 into their sport.
What does that say about MMA? Boxing purists would have a field day. “If it took any skill, they wouldn’t license a 47 year old with no previous experience.”
I get the publicity stunt angle, I truly do, but not all publicity is good publicity and in a sport as maligned as MMA a neophyte heavyweight with a stellar wrestling background and a knack for trash talking is nowhere near the black eye to MMA’s growth that a 47 year old man competing with no real background for this sport. Jordan’s the greatest basketball player ever and people still talk about how big a joke his baseball career was.
As I said, let the man fight if he wants, but let’s no pretend this doesn’t make the sport look bush league when a nearly fifty year old is allowed to compete without years of experience as a wrestler or boxer or hell streetfighter.
by black dragon on Sep 24, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Herschel Walker Must Prove Himself First Before Fighting For Strikeforce
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/24/1053575/strikeforce-signs-deal-with
Now the work begins. Though the 1982 Heisman Trophy Award winner at the University of Georgia signed a deal to fight, there’s no guarantee he will.
Walker will live in San Jose, Calif., for eight to 12 weeks like any other pro fighter plying his craft at the American Kickboxing Academy. If his body holds up, if he proves capable of fighting, then a bout will come. But not before then.
Maybe they should have waited to see if he proved himself capable of fighting before they announced that he was fighting for them.
Seriously. Do you sign someone who isn’t sure if he’s even going to step in there? Talk about doing this just for pub. This should’ve been the premise of the entire fanpost to begin with. Walker to train for a few months, might then step in a mma fight.
by MMAWrestling on Sep 25, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the problem, And It's a big one...
To think that SF signed Walker for any reason other than to ride the wave of “ex-pro football” players who are transitioning to MMA is ridiculous. And if you think that Herschel was the first pro footballer they contacted, then your gullible. But that’s not the biggest concern.
It’s the fact that no one wins in a situation like this. MMA takes a hit, boxing wins no matter what. Yeah Coker and Showtime line their pocketbooks, seeing as how all the major media outlets are already clamoring over the news. Lets say Walker comes in and actually wins the fight, regardless of who his opponent is. It looks like anyone can come in at anyone age and beat fighters who critics of the sport have said for too long have no skill, no real talent, and that anyone has a shot. This immediatly “proves” the boxers and their fans were right (in their eyes at least) when they said how little skill it takes to become a mixed martial artists. And if he loses, then he was supposed to lose and he probably will, which means he’ll probably get trounced. The mainstream sports media will pick up on this and immediately say how unnecessarily violent MMA is. It looks bad on the fighters of the sport, the promoters who have done so much for MMA, and yes, it is disrespectful to MMA that this type of thing even occurs in N. America. This is the kind of one-off sctick that occurs only in Japan, mainly on NYE shows, and usually involves one great fighter beating the crap out of faux-celebrity/ex-sports superstar. To me that’s no mma, thats some jackass promoter trying to drum up attention for his organization with little regard for either the sport or the people involved. Us as fans should be pissed at even the notion of a guy with zero combat experience fighting in the sport we love, no matter how many fights he’ll fight, no matter the age, experience, etc…
"Pure as we begin
Here we have a stone
Throw to stay the stranger
Swore to crush his bones
Move by will alone "
by mr.bungle on Sep 25, 2009 5:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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