Snapshot of the Day 2: Roy Nelson vs. Kimbo Slice on the Next Episode of TUF 10
by Nick Thomas on Sep 23, 2009 11:03 PM EDT
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I hope and expect Roy to win, but something in my gut doesn’t feel right – tho that may be the raman noodles I ate earlier.
I keep thinking, they talk about Kimbos potential, and talk about how Roy doesn’t listen to anyone. Seems they are setting it up for Kimbo to win (and thus is a ‘real competitor’)
by mythbuster on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They showed kimbo sprawl and do some reversals too, like he already improved. Maybe they want to tone down Roy’s future loss by hyping kimbo, dunno.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I think they’re just showing as much positive footage of Kimbo as they possibly can because he’s going to get destroyed next week.
by Razzel on Sep 23, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You mean all those reversals he did and all that groundwork he did was all FAKE and an ACT, Razzel?
Kimbo I think is going to kill that poor Beer-Gut Man next week….
He did that stuff in training, they were teaching Kimbo how to do that stuff. It wasn’t impressive it was him learning the basics a week before he goes into a fight against a world class Renzo Gracie BJJ black belt who has been fighting professionally for 5 years now and has held a world title belt. Don’t sleep on Roy Nelson just because he’s a fat ass because he’s already proven himself to be a really tough fighter(currently ranked 20th in the heavyweight division http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings ).
Roy wasn't a "world champion"
He was an IFL champion..
Kimbo has just as much of a shot at beating Roy as Roy does at beating Kimbo..
Roy has sloppy standup.. Sure he can bang but his combination’s aren’t that crisp & his head movement is often times non existent.. Kimbo slips punches really well.. Has great head movement.. If he can keep from leading or rushing in with his head out, he’ll do even better..
I guess we’ll see :)
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 24, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Anything can happen but....
Chances are Roy gets Kimbo to the ground and it ends there. I think the kind words we are hearing about Kimbo’s potential stem from the fact that he is a warm hearted dude that endeared himself to the younger fighters over the course of the show. Rashad has made a sound strategic fight selection which should play out in his fighter’s favor.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
It’s still called a world championship belt and it still was a real achievement, no reason to nitpick. How many belts has Kimbo held?
Lets get real, Kimbo has a puncher’s chance of defeating Roy Nelson. Watch the first after show, they are talking about how Kimbo knows nothing at all about the ground game and how they had to start with the basics, Roy Nelson is a guy who has fought at the ADCC tournament, he is the real deal on the ground and Kimbo was still learning the very basics when the show started. If Roy loses then it’s because Roy screwed up and let Kimbo have it.
Not to be a jerk..
But the IFL belt had as much value as the EliteXC’s belts did.. ZERO
They just weren’t taken seriously enough to warrant value. Sure it’s a nine little accomplishment to say you’re the big fish in a vastly small pond. But it’s far from world beater status…It’s not a knock on the talent of the individual, it’s just the honest truth that it wasn’t really important.. If it were, than all the defunct org’s would still be in business..
Roy has good grappling skills.. But his ADCC days are long removed from his MMA days.. He was also in WAY better shape in those ADCC days.. Roy’s only 3 big fights were against guys he’s lost to (Rothwell, Arlovski & Monson). So while he is the odd’s on favorite to win TUF, that doesn’t mean he is an automatic.. I recall Bader beating Vinny pretty easy.. Vinny was hands down a WAY more accomplished grappler than anyone that has ever appeared on TUF.. We know Kimbo has a weak ground game but we also know Roy is notorious for trying to “prove” something.. I think he’ll make the mistake of trying to stand and bang & get beat to the punch.. call it a hunch.. I think Kimbo wins the decision against Nelson..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Not to be a jerk, but anyone who thinks Kimbo has a chance doesn't know shit about MMA.
Was that blunt?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
LMAO
You’re a cute kid… :)
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
why does a kimbo victory
have to be cos roy screwed up?
he may just outsmart him or better yet
have a skill down better than nelson
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 24, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
oh shit
Just looked it up, didn’t know that. Thought Wes Sims was a MMANoob. My mistake.
And wtf? How did that guy beat Mir, twice??
Seriously?
Who’s the noob here.
Wes Sims footstomped his way over Mir one time. It was epic.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Sep 23, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me rephrase
He used his foot to stomp all over a grounded Mir (while holding the cage)
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
he got dq’d.
Right after he said he beat mir twice he said something about how he’s also a liar (but in a much more clever way that that).
Something along the lines of “I never let the truth get in the way of a good story”.
"Did you feel you did well against Lindland?" "
Hell no.. I wanted to break the law"
---Rampage
by TearsofaClown on Sep 23, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
NB: that's 2 losses to Mir, one by DQ obviously
UFC 43: Meltdown (seriously)
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Frank_Mir_vs_Wes_Sims_UFC_43?vid=10002563
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Wes would of won that fight if he did not do that stupid ass stomp also. But atleast Wes can always say if it was under pride Rules he would of had atleast one win over Mir
he wouldn't have won that fight.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
But in Pride, there wasn’t a cage keeping Mir from moving his head. If this fight had been in Pride, Mir would have just slid himself out under the ropes and the fight would have been re-started in the middle. Nonetheless, Mir got a highlight reel KO over Sims in the rematch. Funny, Mike Kyle got a highlight reel KO over Sims in his only other UFC fight. I don’t think he’s going to be all that impressive this time around either.
That was two loses to Mir, Wes was having a bit of fun when he said that :D Wes got DQ’d once and knocked out once in the Mir fights.
Easily the best Mir standup highlight until the Nog fight, at that.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Yeah people have definitely seen some Wes Sims due to that, even if they didn’t know it.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
I'm feeling a huge upset..
Kimbo beats him to the punch and gets the W…
We must not forget that Rashad stated in an interview that Kimbo did have a big surprise for him.. There have been numerous reports about him impressing everyone in the house.. There have also been reports about him winning his first fight & losing the semi’s..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
I just don't see how Kimbo loses...
Im not talking skill…I’m just saying. Kimbo is doing commercials…he’s got all types of clothes coming out…I just don’t think all of these things would be happening if he isnt going to be fighting in the UFC. And I can’t see him fighting in the UFC unless he at least won his first fight in the Ultimate Fighter.
Some guys who don’t get a single win on the show end up in the UFC. Rob Emerson come to mind.
by MMAEruption on Sep 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana loooved emerson, I never knew why he liked him so much, he was right though, he is doing well. I think he already loves kimbo, we know why.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Andy Wang also got to fight on the finale despite losing his fight and being kicked off BJ’s team.
by MMAEruption on Sep 23, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Leben lost on the show TWICE and has been fighting in the UFC ever since
But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13
Yeah but these are unique circumstances.
Leben got a shot at The Ultimate Finale and then in the UFC because it was the first season of the show and he was the most talked about castmate, Everyone else on that show, including the eliminated fighters got a shot at the finale. The UFC was trying to build their roster with recognised names.
Rob Emerson was a part of a cast of lightweights when the UFC had no lightweights, pretty much all the cast got a shot on the finale (with the exception being sims and thomas who got into some unsanctioned fistycuffs.).
As the years have gone on you get less castmates at the finale or you get TUFers getting cut a lot quicker because they are less in need.
And back to the original comment, Dana White said that all Kimbo had to do was show he was capable of competing against a lower tier UFC heavyweight. If he holds his own against Nelson it should fulfil that criteria.
This shirt is "dry clean only", which means it's dirty.
you + comment =
trying to hard to discredit a win that hasn’t even been revealed yet.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo is gonna win it…I’m going with my gut.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
"And I'm going with my gut"
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Any win against Ray Mercer in a MMA fight sure is impressive, does that mean that using MMA math Kimbo is better than Tim Sylvia?
I’d pick Kimbo over Sylvia right now w/out MMA math
by midwestbred on Sep 23, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
With the shape BIG Tim is in right now I still think he would win but it would be alot closer then I would of thought pre Mercer KO if he fought KImbo. I can see Tim just stikcing that Jab in his face and winning a easy decision even all fat and sloppy, But Who knows I did not picture the Mercer 7 second KO eather now ?
But wait!
Kimbo>Mercer>Sylvia>Monson>Nelson>Imes>Petruzelli>KIMBO
This shirt is "dry clean only", which means it's dirty.
by Sam Cupitt on Sep 24, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
six degrees of Kevin Bacon Kimbo Slice.
by WeaponElDeem on Sep 24, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
for mobius strip-ish reasoning.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
… except that most people think Thompson has a glass jaw and those clean shots didn’t even drop him.
:)
by Kierkegaard on Sep 24, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The enormity of it all
Pretty much the only guy I legitimately* wanted to see in the UFC from the cast might very well get upset by Kimbo freaking Slice next week.
If he does lose he better damn well aquit himself well on the TUF finale throwaway bout, because I don’t know when/if he ever gets another shot at the big show.
(Legitimately as in the confusing awesomeness of a Wes Simms winning the show outcome doesn’t count)
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Damn, this post needs a poll for people to pick the winner.
by MMAEruption on Sep 23, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Nelson loses, it'll be the third time he gets shafted...
First the stand-up against AA, then the loss to Monson, then losing TUF when he should already be in the UFC.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 23, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
If he loses this, the fail is totally and exclusively on him. The gameplan is to obvious, he can’t lose this, ever.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I meant more the UFC is to blame for not taking him directly into their HW fold & instead putting him on the reality show.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 23, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy’s promotion is a real failure. Kimbo got rampage kissing his ass, training him personally. Roy gets scold like he is Gabe Ruediger or something, nobody talks about him (his belly, but not him). wtf…
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I missed tonight’s show (study group, bleh), but I read that Roy whined and didn’t train for much of it. True?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 23, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He trained but was doin his own thing and being a smart ass and not listenin to his coaches
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 23, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
How does it matter? A loss to Kimbo Slice on TUF is no different than a loss to any random borderline UFC HW on the prelims. If he loses to a guy he should have beat, he shafted himself, nothing more.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 23, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying he shouldn’t be relegated to the prelims at all – he’s a legit Top-15 HW at least, almost beat AA, should’ve beaten Monson, and now he’s stuck fighting for a contract against a one-dimensional streetboxer because the UFC didn’t want him because of his gut (I, for one, would love to see a rematch with Rothwell). That is getting shafted.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 23, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s a legit Top-15 HW at least
Lets not go crazy here. He’s top 20 at best, maybe lower. Borderline main card quality.
And, even if he was on the main card, if he lost to a mediocre fighter, he’d be just as shafted.
You’re making a much bigger deal of this than it is. This is a great opportunity for Roy—if he wins. If he loses, nobody to blame but him.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 24, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think he’s earned his way into the UFC, no TUF needed. If he lost on the main card of an event, at least it would be a proper UFC event, not an exhibition fight. He’s certainly main-card quality – more so than al-Turk, who’s been in two prominent main-card fights. I know if he loses, it’s ultimately on his head, but it shouldn’t be from a TUF fight.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone Remember Roy getting beat on Bodog buy Josh Buffalo Head Curran ? The Guy had shit stand up and Beat Roy to the Punch and Roy could not take him down and endeed up Gassing out. he was also fater and sloppyer looking then Roy. I can see the same thing happening hear that happend in that Bodog fight..
For Nelson not to win he would just have to completely blow it in the cage, this should be an easy fight for him. Put the guy down and submit him and be done with it, there is no sense even pretending to stand with Kimbo. Kimbo will still be in the house and pushed on the show regardless and he would be the first guy they try and bring back if someone gets injured (which happens pretty much every season) but his only chance against Roy Nelson is if Roy gets stupid and gives the fight away.
Logical, but...
Kimbo looks bigger and stronger than Roy. If he rushes him and uses good head movement, I think he can bully him and put Roy on his back and land a few from above (avoiding guard, of course). It they’re placed well, Roy’s arrogance might come back to bite him. And that would bring in the foreshadowing of this past episode.
by Jaydoggydog on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Smart money says Nelson, gut says Kimbo with the upset. Look at all of his sweet sweeps and sprawls! (He’ll need them)
I can see Roy taking a big one on his way in. He’s not the finest of strikers or fleetest afoot. I would love to see Nelson KO’d on top of the BK logo.
The preview clip for next week on ufc.com is entirely about Kimbo’s training going well, showing him learning wrestling quickly.
This could be a matter of them trying to milk the Kimbo popularity while he’s still in contention… but it seems like they’d have mentioned who Roy Nelson is by this point if he wins this fight.
All that was from this weeks show
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 23, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If Nelson wins, they’ll have more time to chatter about him over the rest of the season.
I’d like to see Kimbo win, but I don’t think its been hinted at one way or another by the marketing done so far.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 23, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I think the opposite is true.
If they hype Roy up with is legit achievements and Kimbo drops him, that makes Kimbo look that much better. If Kimbo beats a guy that most viewers see as an obese guy who can’t take direction, that’s not really something you can build off of.
fair enough
should I feel bad that I want it to be next week already? I thought I wasn’t supposed to get excited about the Kimbo hype.
Obviously that vid doesn’t give too much clue as to what happens, but right before it ends it looks like Kimbo clips Roy with a straight right as Roy puts out his left arm in a lame effort to defend it.
Could drop him; could do nothing. But I’ll watch because it looks like better action than I saw all night tonight.
BOOSH
That, and I remember another clip where Kimbo had someone against the fence and he was wailing on them. They also had brighter hair than Roy…
Good god could Kimbo seriously win…this episode is likely to be more watched than the premier.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I went back and watched that video and paused it at different angles and in no way did i see that being Roy
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 24, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that just makes me all the more pumped.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 24, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I know which video that you are talking about. Are you sure that it was Kimbo swinging? I thought that it could have been a different fighter. I couldn’t tell. That is if you are talking about the same video. You got a link?
“Still as real as it gets” video, and only one black, bald dude has a beard like that. It’s kimbo.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 24, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats what i thought and the last punch in that video lands flush
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 24, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you'll see..
Kimbo beating Roy is what gives him the change of perception in the house.. From that point forward is where he earned the respect of everyone.. He takes out the odd’s on favorite and wins the respect of everyone..
If Lorenzo, Dana & Rashad were impressed.. I’d say there has to be something there..Rashad did state on MMA Live that Kimbo had a big surprise..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 24, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nelson is the worst possible matchup for Kimbo, I feel sorry for the guy. Kimbo really only has a punchers chance and Kimbo knows that.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
For what it's worth..
Dana White told the Los Angeles Times (according to Dave Meltzer, as I can’t find the original story myself) that Kimbo Slice will continue to fight for UFC
after Ultimate Fighter. Most expect Kimbo to fight on the 12/5 UFC show in Las Vegas. According to White, Rashad Evans was impressed with Kimbo and wants him to train at Greg Jackson’s camp. Lorenzo Fertitta is also on record as saying he is impressed with Kimbo’s performances.
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Dana White told the Los Angeles Times (according to Dave Meltzer, as I can’t find the original story myself) that Kimbo Slice will continue to fight for UFC
Meh, it’s not worth much. That only means that the UFC wants to make money and Kimbo brings in eyeballs.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
No one go to the UG bc “spoilers” and “Rumors” are all over the site. Just trying to keep yall from feeling like anything is ruined for you
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 24, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions
So let me get this right, Kimbo beats Roy and Roy then hates him. Kimbo cooks a mean steak and Roy forgets they even fought.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 24, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions
Kimbo could poisen Roy before the fight
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 24, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch what you say – he has worked for porn companies…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
If Roy is feeling ill before his fight then we know whats up.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 24, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
something tells me, sauce isnt the thing you would need to get roy to enjoy a steak
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Roy wins. We all know it. And it should be over quick because whenever there is no fighting highlights shown in the preview you know it isn’t much of a match.
No, we don’t all know it. And them showing little to no highlights dosen’t mean jack.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s fucking on now.
Keep firing Assholes!
The Leafs are back!
by Ubernoober on Sep 24, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Rec’d
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 24, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
There are a lot of people chosing Kimbo. The reality is that win or lose, Kimbo will keep on fighting for the UFC because he “earned” it and “impressed” everyone, though, the original bet was that he had to WIN TUF to be in the UFC.
We will see…
=)
Old Rumor
Was it just me or wasn’t there a story rolling around a while ago like July or so that said Kimbo lost his first fight, Did’nt Dana have a Sh*tfit and say whoever was passing these stories around will never fight in the UFC?
wasn't just you
I heard that too.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Sep 24, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It started out from Wes “I never let the truth get in the way of a good story” Sims.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I guess we’ll find out if there was any merit to this claim this week.
by WeaponElDeem on Sep 27, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
he rly rly rly
does bring us the fights we shoulda seen
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
A1 Spicy Bold Prediction of the Week
Nelson KO’s Kimbo and it leads to the Rampage’s rampage on that door that we’ve all seen in the TUF previews.
Kimbo getting called out by Rashad and then KO’d would certainly cause that kind of freakout.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
RAAAAHHHHHHRRRR!!!!!!
“THROW ME ANOTHER MONSTER, BRO!!!!!!!!”
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Sep 24, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm losing a lot of respect for the intelligence of BE readers in this thread.
You guys have seen Kimbo fight, right? And seen Roy Nelson? Nelson should have beaten AA, did beat Monson before having a bullshit decision rendered on him (and I’m a Monson fan), and has been in against all the IFL heavyweights, who are all now in the UFC.
There is no fucking way that Nelson loses this fight. None.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
Let me guess, there was no way Serra beat GSP, Gonzaga beat Cro Cop, Edgar beat Sherk. Upsets happen all the time. And will keep happening
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and Bisping beat Hendo.
Oh, no, wait.
Whatever. If people want to buy into the hype machine, I guess that’s no skin off my nose.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL..
I guess you “really” think Roy is SOOO great ?? Is he the odd’s favorite as of right now to win ?? Sure.. Is he a “great” fighter ?? No.. He has a lot of holes in his game.. Is he a game fighter ?? Sure… He is very beatable ?? Yup.. Just ask Rothwell, Arlovski & Monson..
Anyone can get caught & what if Roy somehow doesn’t get Kimbo down ?? Then what ?? It’s not about hype.. Kimbo is shit on for no good reason by clowns like you.. Give it a rest and at least keep an open mind about his skills & ability to fight.. He isn’t a total bust.. If Serra could KO GSP then I’d say Kimbo has a shot to do the same against Roy Nelson who is very sloppy standing..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 24, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If Roy doesn’t get Kimbo down, he wins easily standing. I do not “shit on” Kimbo. He is a fighter in his mid-30s with extremely limited skills who had a big marketing push behind him once, and now has another one behind him. When he comes up against pros like Nelson, he’s going to lose. Categorically and without exception.
Do you think EliteXC would have ever scheduled Kimbo against Roy? They had them both available. And why don’t you think they’d have done that?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right, the intelligence of these posters…hell some count out Kimbo completely, which is a pretty big sign of ignorance considering that if Kimbo can sprawl, he’ll KTFO plenty of people…
Seriously dude, chill out. I’m gonna root for Kimbo, despit logic saying Roy will win. Shit dude, Roy is my pick to win the whole damn show. But you don’t need to go around calling people stupid because they don’t agree with you.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 24, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t call them stupid because they don’t agree with me. I question their knowledge of the fight game when they let two carefully edited episodes of a reality show and some commercial teasers undermine what they themselves have seen take place in the ring and cage in professional fights.
I just wish Bodog let us bet on this. I had no idea people would be biting this hard on this shit. And on an ostensibly hardcore MMA site, to boot. Would love to see the odds over the next week.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
& I'm the one that doesn't know shit about MMA ??
First off you’re wrong.. the only IFL HW’s under UFC contract as of right now is Rothwell.. Nelson doesn’t have the guarantee that Kimbo has.. Most of them have gone on to smaller orgs.. The UFC only absorbed the Millers’ from the IFL fall out (not HW’s)..They picked up Rothwell after the Affliction fall out..
So where are the rest of these IFL star’s on the UFC HW roster again ??
Nelson has some good experience but hasn’t fought too many top level competition, and the 3 that he has he has losses to… I think people give him more credit than he deserves.. Being an IFL champ doesn’t mean automatic success in TUF let alone the UFC.. Kimbo is not the best fighter out there, nobody is stating that.. Kimbo by odd’s wouldn’t last with any of the top 5 HW’s in the UFC that have superior wrestling & standup.. But he does have a punches chance just like anyone else and from what I’ve seen, he has the best standup out of all the current fighters in the TUF house right now.. McSweeny didn’t impress & he was supposed to be the best kickboxer in the house..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 24, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So where are the rest of these IFL star’s on the UFC HW roster again ??
Soszynski, Reese Andy, and Mike C. are all heavyweights who fought both in the UFC and IFL, and that’s just off the top of my head.
This is what I’m talking about.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
LHW's ...
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 24, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
See above.
Andy and Soszynski competed in the IFL as heavys. MIke C. competed in the UFC at heavy.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Additionally, Imes, Rodriguez, and Pao de Pano were UFC vets when competing in the IFL.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And I know they switched to 205 or switched to heavy going back and forth. The fact remains. The talent pool in the IFL was deeper than anything Kimbo has faced.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wont argue that the IFL talent wasn;'t better.. because you're right..
I will argue that Nelson is not a “shoe in” for the win..
Nelson doesn’t grapple in fights (his strong point).. He generally tends to stand and bang (sloppy)..
I’m not gonna just write Kimbo off because he’s fighting Roy Nelson like you’re doing.. I’m gonna evaluate their strength’s and weaknesses and make my own conclusion as to who I think has a fair shot at the win.. Kimbo has a major advantage over Nelson.. SPEED… He also has power in his hands.. Nelson doesn’t slip too many punches.. Does Nelson have the odd’s favorite to win ? Yup.. Does that mean Kimbo has “zero” chance ?? Nope..
You’re running off IFL guys names like just because they “fought” in a fight or 2 inside the UFC that that means they’re somehow more legit by name sake .. Not true.. Every one of the fighters names you’ve listed have done jack in the octagon.. Krystoff had a nice little streak against weak fighters & got beat by a less than stellar Vera.. Reese Andy ?? He’s been the sacrificial lamb since jump, Mike C ?? lol.. Pao De Pano ?? Imes ?? Rodriguez ?? lol
These guys are hardly top of the food chain.. Don’t try to blow up the IFL as a premier league.. They were at best the 4th or 5th listed org for fighters in their time.. It not like Roy Nelson dominated all his competition either..He didn’t even face any of those names you’ve listed so it makes it a moot point to on your part begin with..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Rodriguez ?? lol
Am I to understand it’s your contention that Ricco Rodriguez never did anything in the UFC?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You're comparing apples to oranges..
Thats like comparing Chuck of 2009 to the Chuck of 2004-07..
It’s a name.. But far from the same fighter at that time.. By the time Ricco was in the IFL he was done.. Shot.. Over.. You’re going to tell me he was still a top flight fighter in the IFL that would carry UFC gold ?? I dont think so.. At the time AA & Sylvia (again) would have wrecked him.. And that was when the HW division was pathetic in the UFC !!!
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Not ot mention..
Why are you bringing him into the debate ?? I agreed that the IFL had a better talent pool than what Kimbo had fought.. But that’s where it ends..
What matters is Roy Nelson.. He didn’t even fight Ricco so why is he in the conversation ?? The only one you listed was Imes.. And Imes got beat by an overweight Rashad and died in his UFC run.. ?? So that doesn’t make the win by Nelson that more appealing in context now does it ??
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
How about you..
Share your insight as to why Roy Nelson “can’t” lose ???
I’d be really interested in talking about that …
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
In the 2007 International Fight League World Grand Prix, Nelson became the league’s first ever heavyweight champion and successfully defended his title 3 times.
Roy is also a blackbelt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under Renzo Gracie.
He has competed at the prestigious Abu Dhabi Grappling Championships (ADCC), won numerous titles and has trained with some of the world’s best fighters including UFC’s Randy Couture, Ken Shamrock, Tito Ortiz and Ricco Rodriguez.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Nelson_(fighter)
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
“Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anybody can write whatever they want so you know you are getting the best possible information.” Michael Scott, The Office
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kittitas
you seem to be very well informed as to roy nelson’s skills, and kimbo’s weaknesses. however there will always be people who will disagree with your prediction.
i think kimbo will win, but that doesn’t mean we cant still be friends ;)
Baki, I didn’t mean to give offense by impugning the intelligence of Kimbo supporters. Well, maybe I did, but I shouldn’t have.
I will be here at the same time next week to do a full mea culpa should Kimbo put Roy to sleep in the first five seconds, rest assured.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo wont..
But I do see him winning a decision by sprawl and brawl…
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
We shall see. All will be revealed in due course.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is this was the pool Nelson was competing against and he was the champion of it.
Kimbo, conversely, fought hand-picked opponents in order to prop up the myth of him as a dangerous and brutal striker. These stiffs include Mercer, Cantrell, and the animated corpse of Tank Abbott. When he finally ran up against someone who was a somewhat technical kickboxer in Seth he was sent packing in short order.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree..
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..I’m not just gonna deem Roy an unbeatable force.. He was a champion of a small org that hadn’t really fought anyone worth note.. He has the experience and the grappling back ground to be an easy pick for favorite, but he too hasn’t really faced stiff competition and done well.. He’s had 3 big fights and lost them all IMO.. The rest of those guys are not “world class either”.. So it kind of levels the playing field.. It show’s that he has the experience and the tools to win it all.. Doesn’t mean he can.. He’s just as human as the rest of them and he is capable of getting caught like anyone else..
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..I’m not just gonna deem Roy an unbeatable force.. He was a champion of a small org that hadn’t really fought anyone worth note.. He has the experience and the grappling back ground to be an easy pick for favorite, but he too hasn’t really faced stiff competition and done well.. He’s had 3 big fights and lost them all IMO.. The rest of those guys are not “world class either”.. So it kind of levels the playing field.. It show’s that he has the experience and the tools to win it all.. Doesn’t mean he can.. He’s just as human as the rest of them and he is capable of getting caught like anyone else..How many fight’s have you seen the odd’s on favorite get caught or choke up in a fight and lose ??? I have LOTS of times.. I’m not comparing Kimbo’s win/loss to Roys.. I’m comparing where they’re at now in their careers.. Because none of that from previous matters IMO.. Howvere you want to look at it, it landed them both in the same spot at the same time.. Which means they have equal ability to win the fight..
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..I’m not just gonna deem Roy an unbeatable force.. He was a champion of a small org that hadn’t really fought anyone worth note.. He has the experience and the grappling back ground to be an easy pick for favorite, but he too hasn’t really faced stiff competition and done well.. He’s had 3 big fights and lost them all IMO.. The rest of those guys are not “world class either”.. So it kind of levels the playing field.. It show’s that he has the experience and the tools to win it all.. Doesn’t mean he can.. He’s just as human as the rest of them and he is capable of getting caught like anyone else..How many fight’s have you seen the odd’s on favorite get caught or choke up in a fight and lose ??? I have LOTS of times.. I’m not comparing Kimbo’s win/loss to Roys.. I’m comparing where they’re at now in their careers.. Because none of that from previous matters IMO.. Howvere you want to look at it, it landed them both in the same spot at the same time.. Which means they have equal ability to win the fight..What happens to Roy if he gets cracked and all the sudden he starts losing ?? In his mind he is the best guy there and shouldn’t even be on the show.. What’s going to happen to his confidence if he does lose ?? What’s going to happen if he get’s beat by one of these nobodies ??
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..I’m not just gonna deem Roy an unbeatable force.. He was a champion of a small org that hadn’t really fought anyone worth note.. He has the experience and the grappling back ground to be an easy pick for favorite, but he too hasn’t really faced stiff competition and done well.. He’s had 3 big fights and lost them all IMO.. The rest of those guys are not “world class either”.. So it kind of levels the playing field.. It show’s that he has the experience and the tools to win it all.. Doesn’t mean he can.. He’s just as human as the rest of them and he is capable of getting caught like anyone else..How many fight’s have you seen the odd’s on favorite get caught or choke up in a fight and lose ??? I have LOTS of times.. I’m not comparing Kimbo’s win/loss to Roys.. I’m comparing where they’re at now in their careers.. Because none of that from previous matters IMO.. Howvere you want to look at it, it landed them both in the same spot at the same time.. Which means they have equal ability to win the fight..What happens to Roy if he gets cracked and all the sudden he starts losing ?? In his mind he is the best guy there and shouldn’t even be on the show.. What’s going to happen to his confidence if he does lose ?? What’s going to happen if he get’s beat by one of these nobodies ??I’ll give you some more prime examples of TUF upsets..
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..I’m not just gonna deem Roy an unbeatable force.. He was a champion of a small org that hadn’t really fought anyone worth note.. He has the experience and the grappling back ground to be an easy pick for favorite, but he too hasn’t really faced stiff competition and done well.. He’s had 3 big fights and lost them all IMO.. The rest of those guys are not “world class either”.. So it kind of levels the playing field.. It show’s that he has the experience and the tools to win it all.. Doesn’t mean he can.. He’s just as human as the rest of them and he is capable of getting caught like anyone else..How many fight’s have you seen the odd’s on favorite get caught or choke up in a fight and lose ??? I have LOTS of times.. I’m not comparing Kimbo’s win/loss to Roys.. I’m comparing where they’re at now in their careers.. Because none of that from previous matters IMO.. Howvere you want to look at it, it landed them both in the same spot at the same time.. Which means they have equal ability to win the fight..What happens to Roy if he gets cracked and all the sudden he starts losing ?? In his mind he is the best guy there and shouldn’t even be on the show.. What’s going to happen to his confidence if he does lose ?? What’s going to happen if he get’s beat by one of these nobodies ??I’ll give you some more prime examples of TUF upsets..Rashad
Bader
Efrain
Gamburyan
Spears
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..I’m not just gonna deem Roy an unbeatable force.. He was a champion of a small org that hadn’t really fought anyone worth note.. He has the experience and the grappling back ground to be an easy pick for favorite, but he too hasn’t really faced stiff competition and done well.. He’s had 3 big fights and lost them all IMO.. The rest of those guys are not “world class either”.. So it kind of levels the playing field.. It show’s that he has the experience and the tools to win it all.. Doesn’t mean he can.. He’s just as human as the rest of them and he is capable of getting caught like anyone else..How many fight’s have you seen the odd’s on favorite get caught or choke up in a fight and lose ??? I have LOTS of times.. I’m not comparing Kimbo’s win/loss to Roys.. I’m comparing where they’re at now in their careers.. Because none of that from previous matters IMO.. Howvere you want to look at it, it landed them both in the same spot at the same time.. Which means they have equal ability to win the fight..What happens to Roy if he gets cracked and all the sudden he starts losing ?? In his mind he is the best guy there and shouldn’t even be on the show.. What’s going to happen to his confidence if he does lose ?? What’s going to happen if he get’s beat by one of these nobodies ??I’ll give you some more prime examples of TUF upsets..Rashad
Bader
Efrain
Gamburyan
SpearsThese were all underdogs that had great success no the show over bigger names with better credentials. Gamburyan & Spears were the only one that didn’t win the whole thing too (due to injury)..
However.. We’re talking about a different time.. That was then and this is now..I’m not just gonna deem Roy an unbeatable force.. He was a champion of a small org that hadn’t really fought anyone worth note.. He has the experience and the grappling back ground to be an easy pick for favorite, but he too hasn’t really faced stiff competition and done well.. He’s had 3 big fights and lost them all IMO.. The rest of those guys are not “world class either”.. So it kind of levels the playing field.. It show’s that he has the experience and the tools to win it all.. Doesn’t mean he can.. He’s just as human as the rest of them and he is capable of getting caught like anyone else..How many fight’s have you seen the odd’s on favorite get caught or choke up in a fight and lose ??? I have LOTS of times.. I’m not comparing Kimbo’s win/loss to Roys.. I’m comparing where they’re at now in their careers.. Because none of that from previous matters IMO.. Howvere you want to look at it, it landed them both in the same spot at the same time.. Which means they have equal ability to win the fight..What happens to Roy if he gets cracked and all the sudden he starts losing ?? In his mind he is the best guy there and shouldn’t even be on the show.. What’s going to happen to his confidence if he does lose ?? What’s going to happen if he get’s beat by one of these nobodies ??I’ll give you some more prime examples of TUF upsets..Rashad
Bader
Efrain
Gamburyan
SpearsThese were all underdogs that had great success no the show over bigger names with better credentials. Gamburyan & Spears were the only one that didn’t win the whole thing too (due to injury)..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Just when you said this:
Every one of the fighters names you’ve listed have done jack in the octagon.
I assumed that’s what you meant. Especially when you added this:
Rodriguez ?? lol
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody is wrong on the Internet11111
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
xkcd = insta-rec
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 24, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
When Rashad picked Roy to fight Kimbo...
I started laughing uncontrollably. Kimbo is gonna get taken down and submitted within 2-3 minutes. And please note that i’m not even a Kimbo hater, but it’s just brutally obvious that Kimbo is fucked
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'09 is the year of the FW's.
So many people in this thread have picked Kimbo
that I don’t know if he’s the underdog anymore.
Nelson by sub, Round 1.
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