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2965986634_aa61a76ced_mediumSteve was kind enough to bring us this interview first. Promoted from the FanPosts by Kid Nate.

Prior to his UFC 101 title fight against UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn last month, Kenny Florian was widely considered to be the most legitimate threat to "The Prodigy" yet. After a competitive fight, Florian was promptly taken to the ground and submitted by a fresher and more powerful Penn in the fourth round, putting an end to his six-fight unbeaten streak and causing some to question his game plan going into his second shot at the lightweight title in three years.

I recently caught up with head trainer and brother of Kenny Florian, Keith Florian, in order to discuss the basics of the strategy going in against Penn, as well as some of the problems his next rumored opponent, Clay Guida, could pose for the former number one contender. Also addressed were the surprising comments made by Mark Delagrotte a few days ago regarding his split with the Florian camp.

On Strategy against BJ Penn at UFC 101 last month:

SK: Can you talk at all about the game plan going in against BJ Penn and what you think went wrong?

KF: I don’t want to discuss too much about the game plan to be honest with you, but what I can say is that it’s funny that a lot of people thought the plan had a lot to do with what GSP did [against BJ] and it really didn’t.

SK: Talking about the clinch game and that kind of stuff?

KF: Yeah, but it’s not just a clinch. There are different types of clinches. There is a clinch where you go around his arm, for example, and you try to tire out his shoulders, and at no point in time did Kenny do the overhooks on BJ to try to tire his arms; it didn’t have to do with that.

It had to do with a totally different area of his body, but we’re hopefully going to try to get there one more time and see if we can give it another shot, but I really don’t want to divulge too much on that.

On Mark Delagrotte's statements:

SK: Would you like to comment on Mark Delagrotte’s statements about you and the fact that he will not be involved with Kenny’s training from now on?

KF: I actually have a radio show on MMAMadness on Saturdays where I commented on some of that.

Basically, when it comes to fights and stuff I stay out of office politics, I don’t really know what anybody else is thinking; my only job is to take care of my fighter and think about what my fighter does, and that’s all I have to say about it.

After the jump, Keith discusses scoring the first three rounds of Penn/Florian, the problems posed by Clay Guida, how he personally scored Sanchez/Guida, and rumors of an alliance with Firas Zahabi.

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SK: Would you mind giving your opinion on how the first three rounds went before Kenny got submitted in the fourth? A few days after the fight Kenny said something along the lines that one of the judges told him he was winning the fight up until that point.

KF: Yeah, one of the commissioners or doctors came by after the fight and said that either one or two of the judges has Kenny ahead going into the fourth round. I think that Kenny had a couple of those rounds—I forget exactly which ones—but basically Kenny was pushing the fight. BJ had a couple of nice hits, there is no question about that—that’s why he is the best in the world—but I think that if Kenny didn’t make that mistake in the fourth round then obviously it would have been different.

Overall, BJ fought awesome, and he took it into the fourth round, which was great for him.

SK: Do think it comes down to how each judge scores fights? Kenny seemed to be pushing the pace more, being more aggressive, while BJ was probably inflicting more damage.

KF: Definitely, I think you’re right in saying that. It just depends on who’s watching the fight and what they are looking for and what they value in fighting.

SK: How did you feel about Kenny’s preparation heading into that fight? Obviously things didn’t go as you planned, but did you feel confident going in against BJ?

KF: I was definitely confident heading into that fight. I think that there are a couple of different things we could have done, other people we could have trained with, but based on time constraints and where we are based out of, I think we did the best that we could.

On problems posed by Clay Guida and scoring Sanchez/Guida:

SK: Is it true that Kenny will be taking on Clay Guida at UFC 107 in December?

KF: No bout agreements have been signed, but it has been verbally agreed.

SK: Stylistically, what problems does Guida pose for you guys?

KF: There is no question that Guida has tremendous cardio, he has a lot of heart and he doesn’t give up; we saw that in the Diego fight. His wrestling is obviously very good and when he gets you down he is able to control you; his anti-Jiu-Jitsu is very good and that’s going to be a problem, especially since Kenny is comfortable going to his back.

We’re working on his wrestling every single day and I think we’re going to be able to show that in the fight.

SK: I wanted to get your opinion on the Sanchez/Guida fight. Everyone gave Sanchez the first round by a landslide, but in rounds 2 and 3, Guida took Sanchez down but Sanchez inflicted much more damage Clay_guida_medium
from the bottom. Does it worry you that one of the judges gave the fight to Guida based on positional control?


KF: It depends again on who is judging. Guida definitely controlled Diego in the second and third rounds, but Sanchez threw some elbows in the second that he stated had come from watching Kenny; he definitely did a lot of damage and cut him on the top of the head.

I don’t think anybody has disagreed that Guida won the third round, but the first round was definitely Diego and the second is a toss-up, but I think Diego probably edged out the second round.

SK: We talked about Guida’s tenacious pace and his heart, and he has never been knocked out, but to me he showed some weaknesses in his striking game. Since Kenny is such an accurate striker, do you think that is something you guys can exploit against Guida?

KF: Absolutely. I think it’s definitely something that he can exploit and it’s something that we will be working on, but it’s just one aspect of the game and as I said before, Guida’s got tremendous takedowns and we expect Kenny to be on his back. From what I remember, [Guida] has taken down every single opponent he has fought at least once, so we expect that Kenny is going to have to fight off of his back, but we expect him to do a lot of things differently than other people have done.

SK: It seemed like Sanchez concentrated on striking off of his back, but do you think that is the wise course of action or would you go for submissions against a guy like Guida?

KF: Well, something a lot of Jiu-Jitsu people don’t utilize is striking to set up the Jiu-Jitsu; I think that changes the dynamic of the game. If you just think about Jiu-Jitsu or just striking then that’s all you’re going to be thinking about and you’re going to have your mind closed to other aspects [of the fight].

On training with Firas Zahabi:

  SK: I wanted to ask who you guys are going to be training with for this fight. I know you will be in Brookline, Boston for much of the time, but there have been rumors that you will be working with Firas 9c3608d8e8_st_mediumZahabi and Georges St-Pierre. Is there any truth to that or are you not involved in the training camp yet?

KF: We have started training for whoever it’s going to be, and our main camp is always at Florian Martial Arts Center; that’s where Kenny is 85% of the time. He does his boxing with Peter Welch and we have brought on Firas Zahabi for the Muay Thai and tying that together.

SK: Are you working with Phil Nurse or Greg Jackson in conjunction with Zahabi, or is it mainly just Zahabi.

KF: Only Firas Zahabi.

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If they had a sister she’d be named Kerry…

Nice interview.

"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy

by Benicio on Sep 23, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

kennys sisters name is kieth…. bj won every aspect of their fight. I hate when dudes talk that way after losing.

by cagefightonacid on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

kenny should fire kieth, b/c it doesn’t looks like he can keep his mouth shut. kenny shouldnt have anyone around hin that “thinks” he was winning that fight before the 4rth. i don’t think he won a single minute of any round, and i was rooting for kenny. i know kieth is his brother but as we have seen from boxing and fighters who have family, mainly their dads , in their corner they are not good for the fighter b/c they have a hard time being objective. kieth is not being very objective at all if he though kenny was anything but dominated. he left dellagrotte, now it’s time to leave kieth.

by bdw on Sep 24, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely needs to put a freaking muzzle on him at least.

This is the second time he has come out talking crazy.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow this guy is in denial about the poor game plan. It completely played to BJ’s strengths.

by MMAEruption on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that the clinching game plan was really that bad, maybe they could’ve thrown in more elbows / dirty boxing / takedown attempts or something but exactly what clearly better game plan were they supposed to use that didn’t play to BJ’s strengths? BJ can outbox Kenny, kicking is risking getting taken down or countered, and BJ is one of the hardest guys at LW to takedown or even attack once you have him down. Even if something else would’ve worked better, its not obvious what that is.

by Clarity on Sep 24, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny should have leg kicked BJ all day. It might not have guaranteed victory, but BJ doesn’t shoot for takedowns much any more.

by MMAEruption on Sep 24, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like this is sort of a funny one

Like, yes— definitely leg kicks would have been like the one thing Kenny had going for him, but I would see BJ lunging and doing something bad to him if he weren’t mixing it up.

The tough part is, what’s left?

I really feel like stylistically this fight is just a done deal 10 times out of 10. I hate to say it, but the gameplan of “leg kick from the outside and don’t get pulled into a dogfight” is about half a shade away from “don’t get into the octagon with BJ Penn at all” as the smart thing for Kenny to do.

by LBo on Sep 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BJ is stronger than Kenny too – their gameplan did seem very similar to what GSP did.

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no fucking way Kenny was winning the BJ fight going into the 4th round.

by GoldenOldie on Sep 23, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know either of the Florian brothers, but

it seems to me that having your brother be your head trainer is full of all kinds of problems in terms of honest appraisal of your development as a fighter.

by Razreshat on Sep 24, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

or you could argue the opposite. a brother might be able to say critical things that other people might not be comfortable saying.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me that alot of fighters platue when they open their own gyms and

get surrounded by people who are too close to them. I would think a brother might fall into that situation. You could be right, though.

by Razreshat on Sep 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you could be right too…. but heck who knows. plus with zahabi in the mix, everything could be fine. i guess the proof will be in his next performance.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely agree with this

Fighters stop progressing when they go and open their own gyms. They might feel that the training is the same but they often stop improving.

e.g. Matt Hughes, Takanori Gomi, Kid Yamamoto – even Chuck Liddell and Rampage should be put into that boat (i.e. they didn’t open their own gyms but they stayed at a gym where they were the one and only marquee fighter).

by rainmaker6 on Sep 25, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great interview

It seemed Kenny was more trying to work BJ’s cardio by smashing into his core and push the air out of him, instead of working the blood into the joints as GSP said. BJ’s new strength training may have accidentally been tailored to actually counter that core draining strategy. Who knows if the old BJ would have been able to resist as well as he did.

by rzor on Sep 24, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have to see proof that Kenny was ahead going into the 4th round – I find it odd that one of the doctors or commissioners came and told Kenny he was ahead in the fight – how would a doctor know Kenny was ahead? Why doesn’t he know if it was one or the other?

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 24, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol@ Keith

I was at 101, and aside from humping BJ against the cage, he did nothing!
The problem Clay poses is taking Kenny down and dry humping him to a decision win. Thats the problem (only problem) Guida poses to anyone!

by kevjack115 on Sep 24, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, bj penn sorta poses a lot of issues. he is, basically, a prodigy.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems really silly

to go into a championship fight with your entire gameplan/outcome predicated on “tiring your opponent out”.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

isn’t penn’s cardio and endurance his biggest weakness?

people who have tried to go aggressively toe-to-toe w/ penn haven’t done so well.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why???

give me an example (other than his separated rib when he was dominating Hughes) that he gasses! The reason you can’t really come up with one is because there are no examples. He fought Machida at 200 lbs to a decision, if he was gonna gas, that’d be the time! He gets this reputation because of the perception of a laid back (lazy) hawaiian, when in reality you can’t prove the “gassing theory!”

by kevjack115 on Sep 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GSP vs BJ – I

I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.

by The_Gaijin on Sep 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Kevjack115 are you trying to say the whole BJ gassing thing when he fights at WW is a myth ? If so its pretty dam obvious its not just watch the 2nd Hughes fight and bolth GSP fights yoiu can tell its his #1 problem. IF not for lack or cardio he would of won the 1st GSP fight easy. Even in the Caol Uno draw and the 1st Pulver fight it seemed to be the problem.

by Shocbomb on Sep 24, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey shocbomb, you just used the 1 fight as an example that I said you couldn’t. He was dominating Hughes until he separated a rib, he didn’t gas. GSP dominated him in the 2nd fight, but I didn’t see him gas, I saw him get his ass kicked… and I think he won the first fight! GSP could get ANYONE to gas by the way!

by kevjack115 on Sep 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Diaz will beat all those guys? ;)

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, I think he’d be top 5 in the UFC ww division
bottom line is no one will beat GSP in that division, so if he wants to rule the WW’s, great, if he wants to challenge himself, he’ll move up!

by kevjack115 on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

top 5, he could be, sure,

but I thought you think he’d be top 2?

You said He can beat GSP, and that he’d surely beat Fitch and Alves.. that’s #2 and #3..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair,

I think this is the same person who picked Rashad over Anderson yesterday?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no. i don't think it is..

both are drinking some weird kool aid though. haha.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right,

but the thinking was there so it reminded me.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasnt. I apologize.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he’d beat GSP, I simply said he’d give him a better fight than any of the WW’s in the UFC right now!

by kevjack115 on Sep 24, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are not representing mmamania readers well sir. haha. :)

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is funny. The two big knocks against BJ for the longest time were 1) he doesn’t train hard, and 2) his cardio is sorely lacking.

That being said, I think BJ seems to have fixed these two problems going into the Kenny fight. He looked really good.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Sep 24, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even BJ said that as well..

his cardio has been his biggest weakness (not that it’s as bad as some fighters), but that’s one area he isn’t great at.

he seems to be more dedicated now so that’s good.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For sure. If BJ continues to train like he did against Kenny, there is no one in the LW division that could beat him, IMO.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha. Yeah… no. :)

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Sep 24, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it is.

But going in & that is your only real gameplan or shot at beating seems stupid to me.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how come? if that’s the weak link, and if he’s got you outgunned in every other aspect of the game…. what else would you do?

it sounds like you are suggesting there is some kind of other magic gameplan out there. but the truth is bj penn is so insanely good….

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I dont know,

maybe try to do everything I can to win maybe?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey i agree with you… it’s frustrating.

i’m seriously asking though – what else would you do? bj was hurting kenny in the standup exchanges. and he couldn’t take him down. what else should he have done?

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Kenny is the fighter, not me.

I just wanted to see him going balls out on that fight. There is nothing worse than someone simply trying to survive & never putting it on the line. Especially when a title is at stake.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

balls out was a sure way to get laid out. Running in against a guy like bj with guns blazing will not get the job done. Kenny worked hard to get that title shot and he wanted to win not become a highlight reel knockout for the next instalment of UFC ultimate knock outs

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasnt talking about starting off that way,

rather once your “tiring out BJ” plan went out the window ya know do whatever it takes to win.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think we are all chaising our own asses with this conversation ill just say it at that point and time Kenny couldent beat BJ. He did not have the tools to beat BJ and he may never have them

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you completely.

But he still had the title shot & if it was me i would have rather gone down swinging rather than sticking to an ill-advised gameplan that was clearly not working.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you maybe right but with what happened a Kenny rematch isnt so bad i mean yeah Kenny dident do a whole lot and once BJ got him down it was out but many think that Kenny actually was winning that fight (doubtful) but its alot better then losing the way Forrest did against A SIlva

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny was not winning that fight

no matter who thinks he was. And Forrest getting clocked early just means he got clocked.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get in the octagon with BJ Penn

Is the only gameplan for Kenny. Posted it earlier, but you’re gonna go crazy trying to figure out how he beats BJ Penn… because he just doesn’t.

Kick and run is as good as any, if winning the crappy officiating lottery or hoping BJ injures himself are the most likely outcomes for victory. And being brutally real for a minute— they really are.

by LBo on Sep 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many words can you try to put in my mouth at once?

did i say he gasses?

let’s say bj penn’s…
- grappling is a 10
- boxing is an 8
- cardio/endurance is a 6

if wes shivers is a 1, maybe a 6 is still pretty good right?

point is, you go for the weakest link. if cardio/endurance isn’t bj penn’s weakest link, then what is?

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

crap – that was meant for kevjack. i hate when you are responding to the last post on the page.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point greg, but after 3 rounds of doing nothing, you need to change it up.
side note, I pray Diego comes out like he did against Guida, it will be a quick KO for BJ!!!

by kevjack115 on Sep 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would think after the 2nd of 3rd round when the clinch against the fenceand trying for the single/double leg takedown was not working Keith would of changed something up with Kenny’s fighintg style ? The way Keeny was trying for that takedown the shole fight It remined me of the way Rashad use to go for his takedowns but atleast Rashad was able to get the single leg against his opponets where Kennny just not against BJ and in the process tired himself out and not BJ.Thats why Keith is taking so much Criticism for not changing something up when it was pretty pretty evident the clinch/takedown against the fence was not working or tiring BJ out.

by Shocbomb on Sep 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You would think after the 2nd of 3rd round when the clinch against the fenceand trying for the single/double leg takedown was not working Keith would of changed something up with Kenny’s fighintg style ?

you would think this, yes. but look at penn’s previous LW opponent – sean sherk. you could say the EXACT same thing after the 2nd round of that fight. why is sherk not trying something else?

is the answer:

a) sherk and florian are incompetent
b) bj penn is so good that there might not be a better plan

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sherk is a wrestler who tried to be a kickboxer for some reason w/BJ.

He really never tried to implement any wrestling against BJ.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he did in the first minute – that was about it

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 24, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are stating the obvious.

the question is WHY didn’t sherk try to shoot for takedowns? is it because sherk is an idiot, or is it because sherk was afraid to go to the ground with bj?

look what happened when matt hughes took bj penn to the mat in round 2 of their last fight. matt hughes is bigger and stronger than sherk and yet penn was able to sweep hughes and nearly finish the fight, except he separated his rib.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Sherk decided

he was going to beat BJ standing & didnt want to LNP him I guess. None of us can answer what was in Sherks head during that fight, but for him to abandon what he does best, when is getting killed on the feet, is stupid.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lots of people abandon what they do best in MMA. is it stupid when 2 wrestlers decide to stand and trade? it happens all the time. you look for your biggest advantage based upon what your opponent is good at.

i say that penn would have tooled sherk on the ground, and sherk didn’t want to take that chance.

you say that sherk is just stupid.

i say that florian couldn’t come up with a better gameplan than the one he tried.

you say that florian is just stupid.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"is it stupid when 2 wrestlers decide to stand and trade?"

YES!! And if Kenny could not come up with a better gameplan other than trying to gas BJ then he didnt deserve a shot in the first place. How good is your camp really when that is your entire gameplan?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

henderson is a wrestler. was it stupid for him to stand and trade with bisping? bisping is a striker after all…

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a striker with pillow hands ahgainst probably the best chin in MMA

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

excuse my hurried typoing

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in dnevil’s world, there is only black and white.

wrestlers should NOT stand.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on man.

Actually read what I write instead of inferring to make your point.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to prove a point, i asked you if it was stupid for wrestlers to stand. you said YES!!! it is stupid for wrestlers to stand.

to continue to prove a point, i asked you if it was stupid for henderson to stand against bisping. you said no.

together this proves the point: you don’t make any sense, you talk out of your ass, and this is the 3rd or so thread where that has become apparent. i’m pretty much done debating anything with you.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People who are only wrestlers.

Is that specific for you? Wrestlers who are unable to strike with any power or effectiveness should not try to strike too much. I have answered everything you asked man. Dont know how else I can explain my thinking.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way you just keep asking the same

questions slightly different ways makes me think that you just want to argue or focus in on one particular line where I am not specific enough for you. This is just my opinion here bud & I am no expert, but I dont mind discussing things if you want to do so without your mind already made up so maybe you will really listen.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i asked a very simply question that has an obvious answer:

is it stupid when 2 wrestlers decide to stand and trade?

the CORRECT answer is: not necessarily. it depends.

the INCORRECT answer is: YES!!!

it was actually a rhetorical question… one that you aren’t supposed to answer. but not only did you answer it, you answered it wrong.

that’s why we’re indented on the right side of the page here, not even talking about anything anymore. and that’s why i’m going away from this thread now.

by GregS123 on Sep 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as you are clear

on wrestlers who are not strikers I have done my job. Good day bud.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when a wrestler has power in his hands sure why not, but when you have nubs for arms and no power stick to the wrestling

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And this is not an all wrestler stmt.

We are talking about one particular wrestler (Sherk) who cannot strike at all.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly, has good from but no power to keep guys honest. They can go in and take his shots to get their own which are usually more damaging.

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendo is a wrestler by trade

but with a ridiculous right hand. Bisping is a striker with no power. No comparison. Sherk is a wrestler with no power & no striking. So yes, I am saying it was stupid to try & outstrike BJ.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sherk dident go to the ground because at the time he just came back from the whole roids thing and he wanted to get a flashy win. Problem is sherk had no power in his hands and has the reach of a 2 week old baby. Sherk is trying to fix something that isnt broken, if he wrestled Edgar it would have been a different outcome but insted of that he wanted to trade and look what happened. Sherk shoud stick to his guns and thats his wrestling.

by Riley_96 on Sep 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow....

I have always thought Keith was riding Kenny’s coattails and was biased toward Kenny, but damn. This makes me actually not like Keith. I didn’t hear about the Dellagrote thing, but with someone like Keith trying to always help Kenny the way he thinks is right, I don’t blame Kru for making his decision. Keith is in total denial about the BJ fight too. There is no way IN HELL that Kenny was ahead. He lost every single minute of every single round…. and I was rooting for KenFlo bigtime.

by TDITZ on Sep 24, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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