TUF 10: The Ultimate Fighter Live Discussion (Episode 2)
by Mike Fagan on Sep 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT
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OK, so Quinton Jackson isn't the best of coaches. Picking Kimbo Slice with his first pick looks a little suspect as well. But hell, it should provide some damn good entertainment.
In a surprise only to Islamic terrorists burrowed deep in Afghani caves, episode one saw the unveiling of Kimbo as the final cast member. You could see the mouths of the other cast members beginning to water.
During the first training session, we see ex-NFL player Marcus Jones completely blitzed by MMA training. It's not a good sign when an Internet street brawler lets you lean on him after a training session.
In the first fight of the season, Team Rashad's Jon Madsen ran all over Team Rampage's Abe Wagner. Unable to stop the takedown, Wagner took some brutal Madsen elbows while pinned up against the fence. Madsen opened up a cut so large the doctor saw Wagner's skull in the locker room.
Episode two is being advertised as the beginning of the "road to Kimbo." Is this the start of Zuffa and Spike teasing Kimbo's first fight or will Rampage make a wise choice and take control of Kimbo's fate? Will the two coaches be able to keep their feud under control? Will Roy Nelson eat Darrill Schoonover and prove to be uncoachable?
Join us here at Bloody Elbow and find out!
Check out the episode two sneak peek and links to episode one fighter blogs after the jump
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I have a feeling that Big Country and Rashad may have one thing in common and that is that they are coming in to the show underestimated and basically counted out.
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
I know that a lot of fighters aren’t hardcore fight fans and just watch their friends, but you think someone has to know who Nelson is and what he’s capable of.
True.
I have only seen IFL like twice, all the UFC stuff & Strikeforce only when Carano fought Cyborg & I knew who he was. It just seems like normal conversation that would occur if you were an MMA fighter.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Fagan-
after recent events doesnt it kind of seem like Page just said eff the show & picked whoever he wanted w/o giving real thought to skills? I may be crazy, but I cant get that out of my head. I keep replaying the picks & it just seemed so ridiculous even then & moreso now.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Eh. I just don’t think he’s a terribly good coach.
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Well coaching-wise I for sure agree with you.
But what about the picks? I dont remember him doing that bad of a picking job the last time he was on the show, or was there a lot more talent so he could not mess up as bad? I love a good grassy knoll theory so forgive me if I seem crazy.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
cb “quick tap” dalloway was his 1rst choice, although with guys like jt money, the pickens were pretty slim. his picks weren’t so bad as were his match-ups, and coaching style. ehbow! ehbow! kinda like picking a miltech wrestler against a figher with weak wrestling. he also guaranteed his purse if he lost to forrest(don’t think forrest has seen a cent of that money). he didn’t come off so good on that show and then lost to “can’t bust a grape” forrest. i think he’s having “deja-vu”. :-)
There is a difference between saying “I’ll put my whole purse on it” (which is obviously an offer to make a bet) and saying I’ll give you my purse if the fight goes to decision, guaranteed. Forrest never accepted or even said anything, if I remember correctly.
by slapjaw ackrite on Sep 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally off topic but...
“The Voice” shouted you out on this mornings Sengoku show as one of the best MMA journalists. He gave props to BE too, didn’t know if you had seen that or not.
I’ve heard about it, I tried to find it earlier to no avail.
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during the cut check in the hornbuckle fight
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"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 23, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage knows it doesn’t matter if he’s a good coach or not.
To him, TUF is about the buildup to selling PPVs. He learned the power of TUF to increase his popularity after the last time he was on. The more antics he gets into, the more people will buy the PPV and his pay will go up (provided he fights).
Of course this sounds stupid after he’s found happiness with a new career, but the coach who wins the most during filming is the one who wins the coaches challenge of the way through the season. He could go 0-8 and not care.
Kimbo seems like a pretty cool guy
However, all I can think about when listening to Rampage’s team coaching is the the Tiki/Lawler bout.
“He came out throwing kicks like I knew it…”
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
i really hope this week is better than last weeks episode
rampage being a moron picking, fake fighting, and goat vaginas.
the only positive part was hearing kimbo saying “i’m already street certified”
Don’t know if anyone’s posted or not, but MDS is saying ’Shad expects to fight Thiago Silva next, in December or early next year.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
about (not) fighting Randy
“That was a match-up that I didn’t think was good for me,” Evans said. “He’s 46 years old and coming off back-to-back losses as a heavyweight, and I feel like beating him wouldn’t move me up the rankings as a light heavyweight. Plus I would have had to take that fight on short notice, in England, and it felt like I’m being punished because Rampage took a movie.”
You don't look like a Tanaka.
I was really surprised that he said he would’ve gotten the next title shot if he beat Rampage. I don’t think he’s at any kind of level to get one win and be thrown back into a title shot. He can’t be seriuh…
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And it ain't like the Machida fight was a split decision...
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, just when Thiago starts gaining momentum,
Rashad is gonna stop it all in the first round. He’ll KO Silva with ease.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gaining momentum?
Thiago only has one loss.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
On a side note...
Chuck made the cut on DWTS and will be coming back next week.
by MikeD32 on Sep 23, 2009 8:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
War Chuck!
I don’t know if I can watch that show after what Tom DeLay did, horrifying.
But I will tune in til Chuck gets the boot.
You mean besides tucking his T-shirt into his sweatpants?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did big country just call kimbo a veteran?
I guess he’s been in the spotlight a few times, but veteran? Randy is a vet, Nog is a vet!
all you gotta do is...
by imapimp08 on Sep 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m going to miss Rampage!
That being said, he’s not picking a bad matchup again, is he? That would be embarassing.
McSweeny.
i think hes prolly gonna be a force to be reckon with.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we getting two fights tonight?
Cause the match up pick seems pretty early. Are they gonna do two fights tonight?
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
That would be sweet.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are those fools picking on Roy? Not cool. Who cares if he doesn’t want to skip in a circle.
I specializes in grammar fail.
They do have a point, if Nelson doesn’t want to join in the work why would anyone else? It’s about setting a good example.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The good example is that Roy could beat anyone in that room. When those guys get bellies to rub, then they can talk.
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by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe anyone besides Rampage. If he didn’t want to work like everyone else he shouldn’t have joined the show.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Roy is so damn good
why the hell is he on TUF?
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one that good has been on the show in like 5 seasons.
This just highlights a great reason why these veterans shouldnt be thrown onto this show. Theres a different relationship between a rookie and his camp, and a veteran and his camp. Almost anywhere Roy walks into he would expect to take some kind of leadership role but here they just expect him to shut up like he didnt know what he was doing.
I disagree 1 million percent.
If GSP showed up at xtreme Couture to train i’d expect him to do what people said and not be an asshole in general, and I bet Couture would expect the same as well.
When you aren’t with your camp, you aren’t the big dog anymore. That’s doubly true for TUF. It doesn’t matter what you did before, everyone who isn’t a coach is on the same page
I really just dont see how he was being an asshole. Its one thing if hes being disruptive. I think hes just trying to train in a way that he knows will make him successful. This show puts you in a weird spot where you and your training partners are all competing for the same thing so it makes sense that he is looking out for himself.
I understand your point but i think the problem is the show puts both the coaches and the fighters in a weird relationship that doesnt exist anywhere else and both of them are reacting differently.
I gotta agree, if the coaches aren’t willing to compromise I feel that shows a big lack of leadership. If it was something serious, then have at it…but…ugh.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
Big Country had AA beat, most likely, if that didn’t that stood up.
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by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad needs to get his shit done on time. Damn.
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 23, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, the Circle of Emotion is lame. Get that mess outta here.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they were playing duck-duck-goose.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn this show has a different feel now that rampage is gone….the build up is for nothing
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
They’ll still fight. Don’t worry about it.
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by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If it does happen, it won’t be for awhile. It’s going to be a long time before either Dana or Rampage decide to stop being stubborn.
Nah, Dana will just buy Rampage a new Big Wheel to run over the rest of LA with and all will be well.
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by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As long as it’s not near any lamaze classes.
by Razzel on Sep 23, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva “likely” @ UFC 108
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/23/1052441/rashad-evans-vs-thiago-silva
another thing
If a fight does take place Rampage will be coming off a long lay off and Rashad will have most likely fought 1 time by the time he gets Rampage.
Thats a big fucking dude
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
I think this fight will be good atleast, seems like it is starting earlier into the show so it might be a lengthy one.
"This is the hardest road to the UFC"
Interesting take.
rampage should of picked kimbo he had to win both fights to keep control and you know rashad and greg jackson will pick a jujitsu guy or wrestler to face him. if he really liked kimbo he would of picked him the easiest match up so he could get a win and some confidants.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
All I know about McSweeney is that he got smothered by a large Polish Sumo in England.
heh
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Polish Sumo?
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
by Captain Fubar on Sep 23, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_KVKtdjTGk
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
They’re still having technical problems from the 103 prelims.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Adrenaline dump, anyone?
Anyone order an adrenaline dump?
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
"James, he's tired!"
no way
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Don't do that Wes
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
Was that a full minute of cardio?
Alla som inte dansar är våldtäktsmän.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 23, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
and 2 mins of rashad's guy dancing with the stars
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 23, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
“Dont do that, don’t do that Wes, win the round”
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rampage: “Don’t do that.” “Win the round, Wes.”
Ha.
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 23, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Not us, that’s for sure.
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by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Shivers too the round because of the take down and submission I think.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
took* and damn guys lighten up. haha
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had to score it, I’d probably give it to Shivers, but you could make an argument that McSweeney won with the leg kicks.
by Michael Rome on Sep 23, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that was only about 5 kicks in the second half of the round…I dunno, I feel Shivers takes the first, Mcsweeny will win the second, then we have a terrible third round.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I would to see this one go 5 rounds.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Sep 23, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
like
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Sep 23, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
t wes shivers is on the show because he is big as fuck and former nfl player and Sweeney is the token fighter from the coach’s camp that got the spot as a favor to the coach
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Sweeney is basically Jorge Gurgel
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
If McSweeney was Jorge Gurgel
He would bring the fight to the ground repeatedly, despite standup being his obvious strength (less and less obvious against HW’s though).
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Oh damn. National Rugby League playoffs.
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 23, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
That really warrants a watch.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Crappy American rugby< second division Irish rugby
And I would know I’m an American and I play rugby
by bearcox13 on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anyone like leg kicks?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WTF was that takedown…McSweeny look like a grappking dummy.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
grappling* omfg
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Shivers is going to win and be a helluva easy fight for someone in the next round of the tourney.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jesus Christ guys how about some conditioning.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Get him James! Don't wait!
This is thrilling to listen to at least
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Sep 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
RASHAD LMFAO
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
James, you gotta go RIGHT NOW
If Shivers had ANY sort of experience or cardio he would have ended this fight at least once.
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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
This is hilarious.
Alla som inte dansar är våldtäktsmän.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 23, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
Go! Move forward!
What are you doing!!
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
I wanna see it in fast forward with Benny Hill music.
by Chris Nelson on Sep 23, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
These guys have some holes in their respective games. Some might refer to the Grand Canyon as a “hole.”
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 23, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Approximately 10 minutes after this fight ends
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
by capital L on Sep 23, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's for the good of everyone involved at this point.
A teachable moment in the annals of cardio.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
“Throw a punch throw a punch throw a punch….”
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
well amir cant fight why not be a tv host lol
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Maybe because he’s even more awkward as a tv host?
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
well its the internet so he cant even make tv he is a net show host :)
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
He heard there’s less chance of injury on the Internet.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rashad?
JAAAAYMES!
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
OMFG Not another round…please…please.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Sorry, it’s my only grammatical pet peeve. There is no such thing as “would of” or “should of”.
Thank you for your time.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Coleman watched this fight and said their cardio was poor.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Phil Baroni is embarassed by these two
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish they had picked Roy Nelson to fight sooner, I think he is going to knock the shit out of his first opponent if they fight anything like these guys.
id love roy to end it quick and do everything they say
as one big finger right int he butt
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol @ resting his arm on the top of the cage.
by Nick Thomas on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Shivers probably played on first downs in the NFL and then came out for a blow on second and third
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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Shivers never played a down in the NFL, I do believe.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
He’s like the stoners on your high school football team who couldn’t finish practice without losing their breakfast.
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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
In all the excitement and hype leading up to this season, we seem to have forgotten that almost all of these dudes are neophyte heavyweights. And that’s bad news.
James McSweeney, got TKO's by Neil Grove just last December
Not to even mention the Packzow fight I keep mentioning…
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Who's buying TUF: Season 9?
I’m waiting in line, for sure.
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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
I dunno why there wasn't a third round
Because it seemed like 1-1 to me
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Got screwed
But McSweeney has alottt more potential than Wes.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampages gameplan:
Punch. Win the rounds. Don’t get taken down.
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
Say what you want about Rashad
but if I was a fighter I would want someone with that much ooomph in my corner. He gets that worked up for this fight? Must be great for a real fight.
WHAT?
Really? Really?
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by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
WTF
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
I’d rewatch the fight but I might go into a coma
by NateDouble on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It doesn’t really matter who won does it?
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It really doesn’t.
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by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw job
Seriously WTF fuck was that shitty fight AND judges sacked out on acid?
by bearcox13 on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I had figured McSweeny would win, but dude…I dunno…
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
"I got tired"
And the winner for understatement of the year goes to…..
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Man, I don’t know. Shivers looked bad, but come on. Is Stevie Wonder judging?
by Cannon Jacques on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank God there was a decision. I don’t think I could watch them stand in front of each other with their hands on their knees for another 5 mins.
by MMAtt on Sep 23, 2009 10:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
KIMBO VS. ROY
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
Bye Kimbo
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
trailers for the show showed kimbo laying waste to roy's head on the ground, not so suuuure
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 23, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad!
FTW!!!
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Sep 23, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Oh shit
Buh bye Kimbo.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 10:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How many fights on UFC 103 would you have rather seen than this one?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Deuces Kimbo
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
I have an uneasy feeling like Roy loses this fight
Because of his very tempered comments regarding Kimbo.
I really hope not, because I am a huge Roy Nelson mark.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
see what im saying rampage just fucked kimbo. Best guy in the house against kimbo
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
The only way he could have avoided that is by picking Roy in one of the first two fights.
it would be a little too much strategery to sacrifice one of his weakest fighters to roy, but I don’t think you should really be doing that in the first 2 fights.
Well, the other way to avoid it would be to pick Kimbo in one of the first two fights, against somebody less daunting than Roy. Or not lose the first two fights and keep control over matchmaking.
They said at the beginning that Rashad gets to pick the 3rd fight no matter what.
Putting Kimbo first would be ridiculous. Rampage would be stupid to put Kimbo in that early because Kimbo needed some real training more than anyone else.
I thought Dana said Rampage had to win both of the first two fights to keep control not that he lost it no matter what.
No, they said if Rampage won the first two fights he kept control.
by Kierkegaard on Sep 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I anxiously await the conspiracy theories if Nelson loses.
by JRN on Sep 23, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nelson via smothering, round 1.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 11:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not showing any fight footage confims that Kimbo loses. The entire fight is spent with Roy in top position.
Conversely
The fact that they haven’t shown any footage of Nelson except to establish that he may or may not be a team player might indicate that they don’t care to build him up.
It’s a bit like Kremlinology.
I really do hope Roy dominates though.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
they also showed roy
being bitched out by coaches, and calling him uncoachable >_>
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 23, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yes they have
they have had 2 trailers with kimbo swinging away in one and another that i haven’t seen but lots of people on here say of kimbo throwing GnP punches from top position
Can anyone give a reasonable defense
of TWO judges scoring that fight 20-18 for McSweeney? What exactly did James do in the 1st to win that round? I’m not sure he even won the 2nd.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 23, 2009 11:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A couple of leg kicks…(sigh)
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about round 1
McSweeney did land the only two solid strikes of round 2 though.
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Did anyone else forget positoining & sub attempts ??
That was a BS decision..
Sure it was a terrible fight, but in all honesty, those leg kicks dont outweigh the fact that Wes had the only TD’s in the fight.. Had went for multiple sub attempts with the kimura x 2 & RNC.. Not to mention staying in dominate position when on the ground..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I just didn’t see how McSweeney won the first round on any judges card. Still if it had went to three Wes might of had a heart attack out there.
McSweeney won the first round on my card.
Wes threw wild punches that missed, got a takedown, and did nothing at all with it.
McSweeney landed some good leg kicks.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Wow, my pick to win the whole thing versus the guy I secretly want to dominate…
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 23, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Shit son!
OMG I kinda wanted them to milk Kimbo for abit more before Big Country! I foresee Big Country winning then an injury happening and Kimbo being called back!!
I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!
do you wanna be knocked out again roy???? foreshadowing?
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Sep 23, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I get a feeling Kimbo has the first upset against Roy..
Roy doesn’t seem like his head is there right now.. Could be tricky editing or could be an actual case.. I just get a feeling that Kimbo beats him to the punch and gets the upset win..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
I could have lived with Dana White proclaiming that he was right--Kimbo isn't a serious mixed martial artist
I will be infinitely disappointed to hear that he was right—Roy Nelson doesn’t have the physique for MMA. (regardless if either of those things can actually be proven in a one bout)
"Yeah we came up short today but I'm cool with things." -- Juan Pablo Montoya
Who is this “Arvalski” guy Nelson got KO’d by?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 23, 2009 11:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If it goes to the ground i see no way in hell kimbo can win. if nelson doesn’t try to get it on the ground it will raise some eyebrows. yes seth ko’d kimbo and nelson probably hits harder but why take the chance. Kimbo has hands not jujitsu
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Wes Shivers GOT ROBBED!!!
Unless low kicks are worth more on the Judges scorecards than Takedowns, Wes got Jobbed by the pathetic judging.
McSweeny had NOTHING against Shivers and ate some hard right and left hands from Wes AND got taken down 3 to 4 times by him.
Wes Shivers won that fight if this were the UFC right now. But I think the one who judged the fight was one man : DANA WHITE.
by BNTHIS on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
if anything got robbed it was Wes Shivers’ gas tank …… because it just wasn’t there
The Power of One
I agree its not the worst decision at all but I think Shivers did more then enuff to win the first the 2nd was close but from what I remember McSweeny only had those two solid shots. I should of went to a 3rd round atleast.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way. Well, maybe not as strongly as you, but nearly.
McSweeny cracked Shivers with one really good jab that knocked Shivers for a loop. He had a guillotine that was not particularly close – Shivers did nothing to defend it other than wait for McSweeny’s arm to gas out, which it did – and to me was negated by the rear naked choke attempt(s) by Shivers. Not that the RNC was close for Shivers, but it was about as close as the guillotine.
Both fighters had embarrassingly poor cardio. McSweeny’s was slightly less embarrassing, but for a guy with “hundreds of kickboxing matches” (or whatever claim they made on the show) to strike with such mediocrity and be countered effortlessly by a guy who simply does not have the same level combat sports experience is pretty bad. I was certain that Wes “Keepin’ My Hands on My Hips” Shivers was going to catch a head kick, and despite a few sloppy attempts by McSweeny, Shivers, while totally gassed, was able to avoid the high stuff in favor of a few low kicks. Those low kicks were hard, don’t get me wrong, but for me they weren’t enough to swing the scoring in McSweeny’s favor in light of Shivers takedowns, submission attempts (plural as compared to McSweeny’s lone attempt), counters, and damage done.
It was, to me, a bad decision, but not an all-time horrendous robbery. Either way, neither McSweeny nor Shivers have any chance of doing anything in the UFC.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
I had Shivers winning 20-18, FYI.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Do you deny it?
If it wasn’t for Dana White, the US would have won the Gold in Beijing….
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
If Kimbo already signed a four fight contract with UFC
He must have done something impressive on the show right?
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
:)
somebody gets it ….
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 23, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just one of the many theories that'll be thrown around for the next week.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If that’s the case, then I am definitely looking forward to see how improved Kimbo has gotten. Or in other words, DOES HE HAVE A GROUND GAME NOW INSTEAD OF JUST THE USUAL STREET-CERTIFIED MAYHEM?
It doesnt matter if he has a ground game or not
Roy won a grappling tournament against top competition. Kimbo has none of that experience and a couple weeks of training with Rampage wont change that.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
True but the thing is that if what you stated is true regarding his new contract, don’t you think that he might have….you know…..advanced further than Roy?
That’s why I’m saying that he might have a ground game…
It might not even involve the ground at all
It could just be a stand up war and he catches Roy. Thats the only thing i could see happening and being impressive. Or a decision win.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he did get caught by arlovski, and no im not comparing kimbo and andrei’s standup
by Austin Martin on Sep 23, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
orrrr
it means that they found someone to replace rampages personality just in case…
and that was one of a few rigged decisions ive seen on the ultimate fighter
by Austin Martin on Sep 23, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That decision was DEFINITELY rigged.
McSweeny = more experienced fighter
Shivers = no experience
Dana white is going to do whatever it took NOT to embarass the Veteran. GRRRRRR!!
lol
While I dont agree with the decision.. These guy’s were hardly veterans !!
McSweeny was 3-3 going into that fight.. I’d hardly call that veteran status..
Shivers was 2-0.. again I wouldn’t be claiming veteran status here either..
It was a bogus decision, but hardly Dana’s doing or showing favoritism
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Sep 24, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana White has nothing at all to do with the judges decisions, those come from the athletic commission judges not UFC employees. The refs and the judges are supplied by the athletic commissions (even for TUF) and the UFC has no control over who is sent to do the judging or what decision they make. Heck Dana is normally the first to say if a decision stinks or if he thinks a ref did a bad job.
Nothing at all about that was rigged, hell if they were going to rig it they would of rigged it towards the former pro football player with the million dollar build not the crotchety British dude who is 3-3 in his unimpressive MMA career fighting on small shows. Heck I was surprised McSweeny even made the show.
Why bother. Shivers arguably won the first round, but the second round was clearly McSweeney’s, and Shivers could barely stand he was so tired. A third round would have been 5 leg kicks from McSweeney with the rest of the round featuring two completely gassed fighters standing on opposite sides of the cage, and then McSweeney would have won.
Rigging this fight would have been pointless.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Ratings, yes.
But if he gets completely manhandled, his draw will go down right?
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think so b/c he can always come back if someone else gets hurt
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Sep 23, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He got KTFO’d in 14 seconds by a pink haired LHW and still pulled 4.1 million viewers.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
You win again ufc4.
Haha
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, he lost to THIS guy
If that doesn’t kill your career I don’t know what will.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Wait till the Moderator sees THIS!!!
I am sure he is just thrilled to see these types of disturbing pictures….
We don’t have moderators. And I don’t see anything wrong with the pics, this is the guy who beat Kimbo so it’s in line with the discussion.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
What about Brook or whatever his name is? The one who threatened to ban mmalogic when he continously brought up Race in another thread?
Oh and it doesn’t make the pictures any less disturbing. Is there a reason we have to see these pics?
Disturbing? lol
Are you really that weirded out by a couple of whackadoo guys jackassing around? They are not blowing each other dude.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I don’t think I have ever enjoyed an episode of TUF as much as I enjoyed this one
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
this episode sucked the ending is only thing that saved it IMO
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
i chuckled a bit throughout.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed hard several times, I was truly entertained tonight.
I think both guys have potential to be really good fighters they just need to a good camp and cardio
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
by lovingmma25 on Sep 23, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly!
McSweeny reminded me of Jardine with those leg kicks, he just needs improvement elsewhere. : )
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Sylvia.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
by FutureChamp on Sep 23, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
man….Was Sylvia in his prime, a GOOD fighter?
I admit I’m not much of a Hardcore UFC fan. PLease enlighten me.
He was a damn good fighter when he actually used to work to put guys away instead of cruising to decisions.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
So that means that all Shivers needs is more practice and PLENTY OF CARDIO WORK ’cause he desperately needs it.
I really see Shivers as having potential ’cause of his size and he just has the “LOOK” that says “here is a man who can kick your ass”. Marketability, people.
McSweeny is okay but No one really cares much for British fighters here in the States, anyway….unless it’s every one watching Bisping get Hendo’ed into next year.
So you were THAT buffed and ripped when you smoked?
Wes is in pretty damn good shape. Don’t know if he smokes but if he doesn’t, he better not start ’cause he would be dead right now at this point.
I’d also suggest the same from McSweeny as well….
Man I was peeved that they gave McSweeny the first round of that fight but honestly Wes was done, he was so gassed they had a time just getting him back to his corner. I can imagine even an out of shape stoner could of finished him off at that point, just jump at him a couple of times and watch him go down huffing and puffing and clutching his chest.
So the year of bullshit decisions continues, honestly it’s like the later the year gets the worst the screwjobs become. Somebody get these guys some fucking glasses or something because it’s gettting embarrasing the way these mma judges keep fucking over fighters. Wes dominated that fight and the fact that McSweeney someway got the nod is going to just wonder what other bullshit decisions we are going to get on TUF this year.
just watched the fight on youtube...
What a ridiculously bad decision. I could maybe see them electing to take it to a third round.
It seems like the judges made Wes’s being winded and moving backwards a lot a much bigger factor than they should have. But it’s not like McSweeney was aggressively pursuing him whenever Wes would create space.
Say what you will about Kimbo, but there’s no way his fights are going to be that boring.
I am absolutely dumbfounded how Mcsweeney got that decision.
How do you spend the entire first rd doing the running man & win the rd? Not that the 3rd would have been anything spectacular, but Shivers deserved a 3rd round.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Did u see the fight?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 24, 2009 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
They’re not good. Don’t know that that’s a newsflash. This thread reminds me of the time my girlfriend made me read a thread on Perez Hilton or Dlisted about Miley Cyrus’ nose ring. Just a bunch of hating.
by jebushchrist on Sep 24, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This thread reminds me of the timemy girlfriend made meI stopped by my favorite sites and willingly read a thread on Perez Hilton or Dlisted about Miley Cyrus’ nose ring. Just a bunch of hating.
Fixed it for ya.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
by TheViking83 on Sep 24, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Wes Shivers
has a lot more potential than his opponent did. At this stage, he is behind in cardio and a ground game… but with a year of good coaching and training he could end that fight in the first minn. I wish Dana would pull him aside and say “go to this camp, train, come see me in a year” His strength/reach/reflexes where amazing. He didnt even defend, just jab and move. Very slick
Just managed to catch the episode… holy crap the fight was terrible. Never seen two guys gas that bad in the same fight. McSweeney looked like he was scared to engage and Shivers lost his cardio completely during the first round. I really hope the quality of the fights picks up.
McSweeney might have won but he’ll get eaten alive in the next round.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Don’t see how Jebus considers people voicing their opinions about a subpar fight hating. I don’t see anyone saying “I could do better.” or “who did he blow to get in the house.” Those are spiteful, jealous remarks. People merely pointed out that it was a poor display. You have one guy, literally with his hands on his hips and at one point using cage to catch his breath. You have another guy that supposedly has had years of kickboxing matches and fails to finish an opponent WHO IS HUFFING AND PUFFING WITH HIS HANDS DOWN! I mean McSweeny’s corner was screaming for him to engage. It’s one thing if you’re fighting Lyoto or Anderson and you’re hesitant to get caught by a counter punch, but when you’re opponent is leaning against the cage to get a breather, use that kickboxing of yours to at least make him fight for those breaths of air.
In a way, that was worse than the first fight. Sure the first fight was boring, but at least Madsen stuck to a game plan, used his takedowns and tried to pound out a win. McSweeny literally would throw a punch or kick then back up not like a fighter calculating his next move, but like those kids in school that would hit someone sitting down and run before the guy can get up.
I think I will be the lone actual hater here and say that while my cardio’s not great, I’ve yet to look that bad in any grappling match or my one time inside the cage so far. And I’m about the same weight and several inches shorter. That was just wow. Was it nerves? Were the lights too bright? Logos too slippery? Enlighten me, because had that been me, I may not have knocked Wes out, but I damn sure would have lit him up every time he dropped his hands.
by black dragon on Sep 24, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A1 Spicy Bold Prediction of the Week
Nelson KO’s Kimbo and it leads to the Rampage’s rampage on that door that we’ve all seen in the TUF previews.
Kimbo getting called out by Rashad and then KO’d would certainly cause that kind of freakout.
If you can't laugh at yourself... Who can you laugh at?
The Packers, that’s who.
-- The almighty Manimal
Talk about ruining the show
Shivers won that fight by a mile
And instead he gets a 20-18 against him from 2 judges?
man f—k this sh-t, everything is staged from start to finish.
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