Rampage Jackson: I'm Done With UFC, Mixed Martial Arts
by Luke Thomas on Sep 22, 2009 8:56 PM EDT
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Straight from the horse's mouth:
"The UFC has done a lot for me but I think I have done more for them … this movie role came about that I have been trying to get for over a year & as soon as I found out I was close to getting it, I called Dana right away & asked to push the Memphis fight back just a month or so. I told him what this movie role meant to me. I told him that I used to bond with my father watching the tv show as a kid when my parents where still married & it represents the memories I had with my father when we lived together. My dad became an alcohalic & addicted to drugs & we grew apart. But after my dad got his life back together, I was so proud of my dad & I told him I would always take care of him in the future & make him proud of me. My dad & I are still very big fans of the show & I am basically doing this for the childhood memories I had spending time in front of the tv with my dad. Dana went on the internet & mocked me because of that & I still did nothing. Dana & I finally talked & we made up & then after that he went back on the internet & said some bullshit & he was talking bad about the movie when information is not even supposed to be released & talking about payments which is not even true could really hurt my future acting career, which could very well last longer than my fighting career. I’m not like Randy Couture. My body has been getting so many different injuries that I wont be able to fight until my forties & neither do I want to fight that long. So I feel like my second career could be in jeopardy.. so I’m done fighting. I’ve been getting negative reviews from the dumb ass fans that don’t pay my bills or put my kids though college. So I’m hanging it up. I’m gonna miss all my loyal fans but hopefully they’ll follow me to my new career & I will gain more loyal fans along the way. & all you hater fans out there can kiss my big black hairy ass! & anybody that don’t like what I just said can come try to kick my ass! I still feel the UFC is a great organization and I felt like I was very loyal to them but they didn’t respect my loyalty but I wish the UFC the best. I did a lot of things for them. I wish no bad blood between us but I have kids & a family back in Memphis to provide for & thats all that matters to me!"
My take? He is grossly exaggerating his ability to be a mainstream movie draw. Unlike Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson who can actually display a modicum of range and has all-American good looks, Rampage is likely forever tethered to roughneck imagery. Second, he may not actually be finished with MMA. He always had somewhat of a lack of enthusiasm for the rigors of fight training and his fairly disappointing performances against Jardine and Griffin (not Wanderlei) likely speak to the historically poor training habits (i.e. only training during camps and needing extended coaching to push through workouts) he's carried with him. Perhaps he's burned out and time away plus a desire to recapture lost athletic glory will push him full circle.
Is he actually done? We'll have to wait and see, but one generally has to piggyback a new career before making the full time leap. Good luck, Quinton. You're desperately going to need it.
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My take...
This is a power play by Rampage. Money talks, and Dana is NOT letting this season of TUF get wasted because of this.
I certainly hope this shit gets patched up…quickly.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
He’s mad. And he’s venting it publicly, which is a terrible idea. But there’s no way the guy’s done fighting. Not a chance.
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I completely agree.
He owes more than money to DW for what DW did when he Crazy Taxi’d the West Coast for Jesus. DW had his back and that was worth more than money could buy.
Rampage will be back, he’ll never leave. This latest bitch move by Rampage is more than proof of that.
I’ll pass judgement on the movie when I actually see it.
BTW, The Rock is a so-so actor that knows his capabilities and limitations. That alone makes him a better actor than most of Hollywood.
Quinton, be a man and own up to your obligation to the organization that bailed your ass outta prison and put you back in the public’s good graces.
Jay K.
PS. You’re still funny as f’k, but get your hairy ass back in the Octogon.
besides giving his word to fight rashad to dana and the fans and being part of an entire TV series that led up to it? nothing i guess
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well, now he wants to retire, so he has no obligations.
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He owes it to DW to fufill his contractual obligations to UFC.
Guys, I think when somebody saves you from destroying yourself, such as DW did with no reservation, you owe it to them to fufill the obligation.
DW did more to help him than “Oh him? The guy that makes funny faces?, yeah, whatever, I’ll help him out.”
No, DW bailed him out, revived his fighting career from potentially looking forward to a career of fighting for second tier and lower promotions and gave him another shot at Wandy that Rampage had been actively pursuing.
I ask you guys, what other promotion could have done that? The UFC has almost everyone wrapped up but Fedor!
Rampage doesn’t owe him a life of servitude, but he does have to fufill his contractual obligations honorably.
He really doesn't....
a man is free to retire from a career at any point he wishes. See Sanders, Barry.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
there could be penalties of some kind, or have to forfeit certain rights. or who knows. could become a bunch of messy lawsuits.
here’s to hoping it never comes to that.
see plummer, jake.
If you get paid to do a job (signing bonus in the big sports) and don’t complete the job, you can have to pay that stuff back.
not saying there’s something like that in the UFC, but “you can retire whenever you want” doesn’t fly in the real world.
I would assume there are provisions in NFL contracts that require salary bonus money to be paid back in the event of a retirement, no?
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Yes, anything paid in advance, I’m not saying there’s something like that in the UFC, but there are penalties to retiring in some circumstances.
This doesn’t prove anything close to your point.
I remember several messy lawsuits the last time a high profile UFC fighter tried to retire.
You don’t know what’s in the contract, your statement about penalties for retiring is stupid.
Last UFC fighter wanted to fight somewhere else though.
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Yeah, this will just be a contract freeze. He won’t be able to fight anywhere else.
He isn’t retiring anyway, so it doesn’t really matter.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue with Randy Couture was that he wasn’t trying to retire he was trying to get out of his contract. If Randy had retired then his contract would of froze in place and he wouldn’t of been able to fight anywhere else, that is why Randy was very clear from the start he wasn’t retiring at that point.
the guy you’re talking about tried to fight for another promotion while he had a contract that binded him to the UFC only, hence the troubles that emerged. it is not stupid to claim that there won’t be any penalties for retiring, it hasn’t happened before in the UFC so there is no reason to think it would happen now. Has Rampage received a bonus to fight Rashad before the fight took place? Isn’t that the reason you gave to have penalties in case of retiring?
It absolutely does...
Plummer was paid up front for a set amount of games
The real world absolutely runs where you can retire when you are done with a job.
You can’t force a man to put his body on the line if he doesn’t want, but unless it is in his contract that he is getting paid a set bonus to fight x amount of times…he isn’t going to be penalized.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a retirement clause in the UFC contracts, the basics are that if you retire you are retired but the contract freezes in place. Thus he couldn’t come back to fight anywhere else unless he finished that contract first. That is the only issue there would be with retiring. A fighter can’t use a fake retirement to leave the UFC and fight anyplace else but if they retire for real from the sport there is no penalties at all.
who knows what’s in rampage’s contract. what if there are payments related to the yet-unfinished TUF10 season.
The season finished filming months ago and I’m not sure what pay issues there would be for a show he already completed in this situation. The only issue I can see is if he had already signed a bout agreement and received any payment for the upcoming Rashad fight. You can’t force a fighter to fight but they can force him to pay back any money he got for a service not rendered and they can hold him to that contract he never finished if he one day decides to un-retire.
They’re more than welcome to cut him if he’s that out of line.
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Too many threads of thought, sorry.
Anyway, he’s retiring, so he has no obligation.
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I just don’t think this is the key takeaway. The key is that Dana just can’t keep his mouth shut. He goes around slamming his top stars, makes up with them, and then keeps on going and publicly reveals their pay arrangements. This is a spat that will get patched up in short order.
by Michael Rome on Sep 22, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What is he talking about with the money thing? When Dana said how little he was gonna earn for the movie? How would Dana even know that?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rampage told him. That’s what I get out of that statement, anyway.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 22, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that was dumb. He may be your friend but he’s also your boss.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not only that
but Page should know DW by now, hell, everyone knows DW has a big mouth. How did he think he was going to keep that a secret by telling Dana?
I’m not gonna bother finding the quote, but I think Dana mocked what Rampage’s Hollywood agent told Rampage…dunno how DW would know about it…but it’s something to that effect.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
He is venting in a public forum and most likely didn’t think this through. I’d venture to guess that this post will be taken down in short order and things will be fine between Dana and Rampage.
If Dana can patch things up with Tito Ortiz after producing a reality show that did nothing but bash him and make him look bad, he’ll be fine with Rampage.
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I agree BUT they built an entire tv show around the idea of his fight! I can understand both Dana and rampage’s frustrations
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish him the best, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’d be the first to laugh once he comes crawling back to the sport.
are you f$@#ing kidding me rampage
first, we all love you and though we’re bummed out that the fight was delayed, it was THAT big a deal….
second, the fans kinda do pay your bills…
totally sad
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He’s not mad at the fans, he’s mad at Dana.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 9:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"I’ve been getting negative reviews from the dumb ass fans that don’t pay my bills or put my kids though college. "
this is what i was referring to
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm… Did I miss something? Last I checked, us dumb ass fans are paying his bills and putting his kids through college…
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
by Screwface on Sep 22, 2009 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn right
I said the same thing about “fans not paying the bills….” Does he really think that he’d be goin to the bank with a check for $65k without the fans? What a joke.
by MMAtt on Sep 22, 2009 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
C'mon....
if you look at it that way somebody or the other pays everybody’s bills. What he means is that the fan’s aren’t the ones putting their bodies through workouts that would kill most people or getting their asses kicked in the ring.
i have shelled out for every one of his fights, to me that’s a lot of money
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is like some High School BS.
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
by Deo Wade on Sep 22, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
He's doing pretty well so far!
I’m sure he’ll be back, unless maybe a sequel to Ghost Dog is in the works…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 22, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ghost Dog Sequel
From the acting he’s displayed so far, he could maybe play a mobster in that.
He just likes attention and Hollywood is there to give it to him and tell him how charismatic he is. He’s just burning the people who got his PR to the point where he could do this.
Rampages last tweet:
I just posted a blog on my website for my fans. Haters are welcome to come read it too. www.rampage-jackson.com
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Aaaand I effed up the quote. Go Coors Light.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 22, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew that was coming.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 22, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe now Dana will finally check his mouth before he speaks. it never really bothered me with Fedor because he has never been a draw and hasn’t had an effect on the UFC’s bottom line, this will, rampage was a hugely popular fighter who has essentially been driven to quit because of Dana’s shit talk. Dana’s attitude to this stuff is going to have to change
This has been said numerous times about Dana. It will never change, and he’ll mend things with Rampage. I can’t even count the number of times Dana has done something that prompts people to say, “Maybe now Dana will learn to keep his mouth shut.” It’s not going to happen. When you have the biggest show in town and the most money, it’s going to take something more drastic than calling out one of his fighters. Heck, he made derogatory statements towards homosexuals on a video blog and he still hasn’t learned.
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Dana already mended with Rampage … and then talked more shit about him.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
And he mended with Tito and talked more shit about him. He even produced a TV show devoted to making Tito look like a bitch. Tito is back in the UFC, again. What’s your point?
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Tito had nowhere else to go. And, by his own admission, was trying to strong arm the UFC for a contract.
Rampage is a guy who actually sticks to his word, at least it seems. I truly doubt we see Rampage back in the UFC.
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Tito had plenty of options at the time, but didn’t want to burn the bridge to the UFC. You don’t think Strikeforce would have bent over backwards to sign Ortiz? Tito isn’t dumb, he knew what he was doing. Regardless of his own admission, strong arming or not, Dana still talked shit about him, mended the relationship, and talked more shit about him. That was the original point.
Rampage is an emotional guy, as witnessed by his police chase, and he’s saying things out of anger and most likely to get attention. He’ll be back in the UFC, guaranteed.
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Rampage is NOT going to get paid the amount he would be paid in the UFC when he does that stupid A-Team Re-make. Re-makes of awesome 80’s shows have always BOMBED, IMO. Anyone remember Knight Rider 3000? I rest my case.
Mr. T made B.A.Baracus a household name(or rather the B.A. part) ‘cause he was MR.T. I pity the fool named Rampage who will try to emulate the legend. I just know it’s going to come out stupid….
And how is going to Hollywood to be an actor going to be any different? What Dana White does is no different than what goes on in Hollywood every single day, hell there is a entire industry built around being mean and intrusive towards people in that industry.
Except for the fact that Rampage deserves more respect from Dana White considering the amount of money he’s put in Dana’s pocket. I’m sorry, but I’m of the mindset that you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Now while Rampage was being fed, it still goes both ways. Problem is that Dana had an empty bowl out there in his hand and Rampage bit it off for the sheer lack of disrespect.
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Except you’re conveniently forgetting the fact that Dana White put money in Rampage Jackson’s pockets. Do you think Rampage gets the acting job without the UFC? I don’t think so. It goes both ways.
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I already said it goes both ways. I just agree with Rampage’s point of view on this. I don’t agree with being called names then mending the fences only to end up being called more names. Truly disrespectful. Any self-respecting person would have done the same damn thing he did.
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Well yea one would think that but it just isn’t how it works. Hell for a Hollywoood example from just recently look at Megan Fox talking about Michael Bay (the dirctor who made her a star), if your going to be in the entertainment industry then that is the expectations of how things work. I mean Dana White didn’t have to fly to California and get Rampage out of jail after his incident either, these things work both ways (as is expected).
No, he didn’t. And Rampage didn’t have to fight with a jacked up jaw, either. But he did. It does go both ways. Why can’t Dana just accept the fact that Rampage wanted to be in a movie and just go from there? He’s just too power hungry and Lorenzo better control his boy before this truly gets out of hand.
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What you don’t think Lorenzo is pissed as hell about Rampage blowing off a event they planned for Rampage’s own hometown too? Dana blows a lot of steam in public and Lorenzo does a lot of stuff behind the scenes but don’t think those two childhood friends don’t share the same exact opinion about this stuff.
There’s a personal side and a business side. Lorenzo might not personally agree with the direction Rampage chose but the business side of things matter a lot more to Lorenzo. Best believe they do.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
That still doesn’t mean that Rampage hasn’t pissed of Lorenzo too (a much worse thing to do than getting Dana riled up). I mean Lorenzo knows what Dana White is going to say before Dana does, he is the puppet master behind the scenes and if Lorenzo was worried about what Dana says hurting the business then he would of put a stop to it before Dana said anything.
Which is why Lorenzo actually visited Cro Cop in Croatia to right the situation after Dana talked shit about him, right?
Lorenzo lets Dana do what he wants because they’re friends. Lorenzo has the ability to reason with anybody. That, alone, will save his company.
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No they play good cop bad cop with this stuff, it’s not about reasoning with people it’s about them working the system together and it’s about the money involved.
you two please continue
telling us (and each other) all about the behind-closed doors inner workings between Dana and Lorenzo.
how much money did Rampage put in Dana’s pocket??? lets get real here.
he was baseline in everything. Tuf ratings, ppv, gate, etc…
Now finally when he’s about to breakthrough and become an actual draw he goes and does this shit.
This is the problem.
Maybe Dana should keep his mouth shut sometimes.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 22, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
really what would you do if you hired a contractor to come fix your roof and then after he makes his commitment tells you he’s making a movie… he wont make it.
What if you paid someone to build your house and they started pouring the foundation, but you’ve already sunk all your money into it, and they decide they don’t want to build it anymore because they have another one to build? You’ve put all of your eggs in one basket and now you have nothing, except a foundation.
This situation is not similar to a normal UFC card. There is the TUF season and the promotion of Rampage/Rashad in Rampage’s hometown.
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what if the contractor was also an illegal alien, would you try to have him deported? let’s keep going all the way with the contractor thing
Oh no, the TUF season! It will be such a shame if a reality show doesn’t get its thrilling conclusion?
Could we please stop with these inane analogies. If I hired some dude to do something and he didn’t, oh well. That’s fucking life. I wouldn’t hire that guy again.
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It’s a little bit different than you, John Q. Public, hiring somebody, than a company devoting an entire half year towards a mega fight in a guys hometown.
I like the whole devil’s advocate thing though, you’re pretty good at it.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, shit happens. I certainly wouldn’t say Rampage taking the movie roll is the “right” thing to do, but it’s certainly not the human tragedy people make it out to be.
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I agree, and I’ve said that before in these comments. It’s not a human tragedy, but people are defending his actions like it’s all Dana’s fault. I don’t agree with that statement.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s one problem with your anology Fagan-there’s a hundred different people that can fix a roof or pour a driveway, there’s only one person that can fulfill the obligations Rampage has with the Evans fight. Obviously he doesn’t have to fight if he doesn’t want to but I think it’ll get worked out fairly quickly.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 10:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s not my analogy, and they need to stop.
And there’s plenty of people who can fight Rashad Evans.
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But if you paid a contractor for the analogy and it was a bad one, would it still make a sound if it fell in the forrest?
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if a tree falls in the forest, it’s still a tree, right?
name the source and i shall bestow upon you a rec, and you will receive total consciousness too.
I am not answering on the grounds that it will incriminate myself. Damn my fiance and her recently found obsession with vampires. ;)
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wtf, shouldn’t that be “if a tree falls in the forest and there was no one to see it, did the tree really fall?”
LOL
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually the CORRECT saying is :
If A Tree Falls In A Forest And No One Is There To See It, Does It Make A Sound?
ahh
I wiki’ed it, it’s actually:
“If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”
anyways, yours was closer to being correct than mine :P
Of course there is, but that’s not really the point is it?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So Rashad taking off from fighting when he could have been making money and the payday and being in limbo…
“oh well that’s life… "
You created an entire post to illuminate your argument for why people need to be conscious of Rampages situation. (which is fine)
But when others create there’s for Rashad’s situation, or Zuffa’s… “Oh well thats life”. “you can cut him”, " just hire a new contracter".
I find that funny.
“You created an entire post to illuminate your argument for why people need to be conscious of Rampages situation. (which is fine)”
No, I didn’t. It was about fighters (and athletes) as a whole, not specifically Quinton. He just happened to be the hot topic of the month.
“But when others create there’s for Rashad’s situation, or Zuffa’s… "Oh well thats life". "you can cut him", " just hire a new contracter"."
(As an aside, and totally serious, is English your first language?)
It sucks for Rashad and the UFC for sure, but there’s no point in whining and complaining about it.
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Yeah, but what else would we be doing on a Tuesday night? Watching “The Biggest Loser?” Wait…how did I know that was on tonight….uh…..nevermind….
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
so discussing Rashad’s situation is “whining and complaining” which has “no point” …. but creating an article about Rampage’s situation is “making people conscious” of it .
LOL
as an aside do you know what being a hypocrite means?
Well, the entire point of the article is that people should be less judgmental. I’m not sure how that’s being hypocritical.
I was being serious about the language thing. Either English is your second language or you write very hurriedly without proofreading. It’s honestly hard for me to read your posts every so often.
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Im being serious also… Some people dont realize what hypocrisy is… Im bringing up to help.
When creating an article about Rampage’s situation and claiming its important to make “people conscious of it” (and rightfully so) and then saying that discussing Rashad’s situation is “whining and complaining” and has no “point”… Is something you should look at.
(by the way I type on a hand held sometimes so it gets broken and no I don’t need to proof read when commenting on a blog) .
by mmalogic on Sep 22, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Again, I didn’t create an article about Rampage and it was about being less judgmental about fighter’s personal decisions.
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It sucks for Rashad and the UFC for sure, but there’s no point in whining and complaining about it.
You’re not the one who will lose money here, Mike. If you were, you wouldn’t be going “oh well…that’s life”. You’d be fuming mad and ready to kick someone’s ass….
You have no clue how I would react. Getting upset about it doesn’t change anything. I’d be working to rectify the situation.
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How do I go from being put in hypothetical situations in the Dana White role to having to answer what I would do as Rampage Jackson?
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I’m not sure what you think I’m going to say? The dude just retired, not much he can or should do at this point.
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Could we please stop with these inane analogies. If I hired some dude to do something and he didn’t, oh well. That’s fucking life. I wouldn’t hire that guy again.
So using that same logic, Mike, you would simply say that Dana should just cut his losses and tell Rampage to take a hike, right?
BECAUSE HIRING SOME GUY TO DO WORK FOR MY HOUSE AND DEALING WITH A PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER ARE VERY ANALOGOUS SITUATIONS!
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Mike_Fagan_13 said :
Hire another contractor.
So, using this logic, Dana would simply get another replacement for Rampage to face Evans without any buildup and fan excitement. Am I right?
wow. Just…wow.
Well, the alternative is to just sit around and wait for Rampage to finish his movie, unretire, and reschedule the fight. Yeah, I think they’ll find a replacement instead.
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the thing is its never really cost the UFC money before, this will and i can’t help but think Lorenzo will step in again and try to put this right. Lorenzo stopped the video blogs after the Hunt incident i’m convinced of it, he stepped in with Cro-Cop he will do it again
I don’t get why people think this.
It’s fucking good cop bad cop, they both think the same exact thing, they just have different public personas. Lorenzo called Fedor irrelevant, word for word the way dana did and people still somehow think they aren’t on the same page.
The UFC can survive without Rampage, the question is, can he survive without them?
I pity the fool who has to be around Dana at the moment
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
The UFC had nothing to do with Rampage getting the role?
We’ll see how many roles he gets once he’s no longer an MMA fighter. I’m sure that Cung Le is getting movie roles for his great acting ability.
Roger Huerta too.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 9:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the A-Team movie does well and Rampage is likeable at all in it...
he’s pretty much guaranteed to get one or two more major roles.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage as Zeus sounds like a good idea to me, who plays Hogan?
by Big4Nuthin' on Sep 22, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cung Le does have a couple of movie deals he’s workin on. He said that’s why he put his belt up for grabs for Mayhem and Shields to fight over.
by MMAtt on Sep 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And this is why Dana should keep his mouth shut. And Rampage agreed with my outlook on the situation.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/17/1034634/ufc-103-pre-fight-press-conference#21365569
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Because going to Hollywood to be an actor will be perfectly wonderful because they never talk bad about each other there.
Personally, I don’t see why anyone would ever go to the UFC and work under Dana White.
He expects you to take his shit talking while smiling at him and say “thank you, sir, may I have more?”.
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Well if that stuff actually bothers you then going to Hollywood to be an actor is a horrible idea. Seriously that is how the entertainment industry works and Dana White is involved in the entertainment industry. If you want to play that game you have to be ready to deal with what goes along with it, that goes for Vegas and Hollywood. This isn’t a normal job and doesn’t come with normal expectations.
I agree. However, why talk shit about one of your most marketable guys? Let Rampage do the damn movie and move on from there.
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This kind of logic simply baffles me. What if you went into work and told your boss, “Hey, I know you gave me a raise and are giving me a great opportunity to show my abilities to corporate leadership, but I’m going to go do something else that I’ve wanted to do for a long time. So, could you just tell the bosses that I’ll finish the project 2 months late. Oh yeah, and never mind that you set up the presentation in my hometown.”
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Except for the fact that Rampage is, essentially, an independent contractor. He can go wherever he chooses. Fights have been delayed before. Why couldn’t Dana make this one exception?
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Independent contractor, yes, but if you had an agreement with your boss that you were going to do something, and then something else came along that you wanted to do instead, what about your previous commitments?
I guess since he’s an independent contractor, he doesn’t apply to those rules? Everyone knew the Memphis show was for Rampage/Rashad, as well as TUF10, and that’s been known way longer than the A-Team movie.
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Sure. Fights are delayed all the time due to a multitude of reasons.
But, tell me the last time a Main Event fight, in the main event fighters hometown (which is a UFC debut to that town), that was cancelled because the fighter wanted to do something else?
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Frank Mir delayed the second fight with Lesnar due to an “injury” and no one blinked. Rampage delays a fight due to wanting to do a movie and people go nuts. Funny how that works out. Double-standard? Perhaps.
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I like the fact that you use the “injury” excuse but ignore the rest of my entire post. Injuries happen all the time. Walking away from a main event fight that’s promoted in your hometown after an entire season of TUF? That’s the same as what Frank Mir did. Logic fail.
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Brock Lesnar actually said Mir didn’t have an injury. Mir used it as an excuse to delay the fight. Rampage is using the movie to delay the fight with Rashad. Excuse him if he wants to make some money during his spare time.
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Is this a real argument?
You’re comparing Brock Lesnar’s speculation on an injury to Frank Mir to the same as Rampage delaying a fight to play in a movie. A fight that’s in his hometown for the first time, after an entire season of TUF, and he’s main event. It’s also a fight he asked for.
Those sound like the exact same situation to me. /end sarcasm
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I don’t get the big deal. I really don’t. What is the problem in delaying a fight a few months? It happens all the time. But because it’s Rampage, people are so quick to hate on him. People really need to see this from the other side before jumping so quick to an assumption.
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Dude, I’m not hating on Rampage. I’m hating on the fact that he’s claiming to be quitting fighting because his boss said some bad things about him and his movie role.
The timing of this situation is what hurt Rampage. If this fight was in Vegas, no big deal, but the fact that they were putting Rampage on the Main Event of a card taking place in his hometown, after an entire season of TUF marketing, with Kimbo Slice might I add, then he backs out.
I’m not mad at Rampage, I’m mad at the way he’s handling this situation.
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Self-respect? That’s where your argument has turned? So, Rampage turning to acting is for self-respect and has nothing to do with money. Pffft…get out of here.
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This has nothin to do with self respect. If he wants to make money other ways fine, but bein under contract and agreeing to a fight, is not free time. He had obligations and backed out, that’s what dana is pissed about. Personally I don’t care what he does. If he doesn’t wanna fight then don’t. Last thing I wanna do is waste $44.95 on a PPV watchin a guy that would rather be BA Baracus.
by MMAtt on Sep 22, 2009 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No it doesn’t. We all have to eat shit all the time in order to get a paycheck, that is how things work for most everyone with an actual career.
by who me on Sep 22, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DOES IT PAY THE BILLS, THOUGH?
Can you buy food and clothing for you and your children with “Self-Respect”, FlyByKnight?
Yeah….I thought so.
the name of the game is MAKING MONEY. First you said that you saw nothing wrong with Rampage wanting to make a bit more money on the side.
NOW you do an about-face and say he’s doing it for Self-Respect?????
I agree with Joe Schmitt’s assessment :
Pffft….get out of here.
This is not A fight.
This is the fight, with the coaches from TUF, in Rashad’s hometown, against a hand chosen opponent, after all the shit went down in LA.
You’re dumbing it down way too much by going “fights get moved all the time”
I think it’s stupid for Dana to get as upset as he is over this situation, but he still has a right to be pissed, this not “A fight” and it’s not being moved because of an injuyr.
Dana can fire or cut him if he likes.
Rampage is an indy contractor.
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If you built an entire show around one fight, and the guys who’s home town you decided to have the show in runs off to do a movie knowing he has a prior engagement…you’d be pissed too. Let’s not act like nothing happened to Dana to push his buttons…now, should he let it go? Yeah, but this is Dana White…he dosen’t let shit go that fast.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And not letting shit go just cost him not only a fight but also a very marketable fighter.
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And Rampage just lost his most reliable source of income…who loses in the long run? The UFC could go pick up King Mo and have the exact same qualities and personality as Rampage, in the same fucking weight class…Rampage will be back in the UFC.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So let them go pick him up then. It’ll take a while for them to build him though.
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I think you give more credit to Rampage as a draw than he really deserves.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
540k for Rampage-Forrest.
675k for Rampage-Liddell.
375k for Rampage-Jardine.
The three cards he headlined. UFC 92 did over a million but that was a three-headed card at the top.
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Hey look, you just shot your point in the foot.
Decent numbers against TUF hero Forrest, decent against UFC posterboy Chuck, and garbage on his own as the main event against a lesser star.
by Phildo on Sep 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rampage does 375k by himself. Put him with someone with a decent name and it’s easily 500k. How is that shooting myself in the foot? It shows he’s marketable. Hell, Rich and Belfort won’t even do 375k most likely. And that’s with Cro Cop in the background.
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Yes they will. 300k is the baseline.
Dana could say, “There will be a UFC PPV tomorrow” and it will get 300k buys with no names announced.
Because 375k is pretty much the bottom of the barrel for a UFC PPV. It doesn’t matter who headlines and the UFC can get a buyrate like that. The only cards last year that did less than 375k were ones headlined by Anderson Silva (who has no drawing power) and the ones held in the UK (nobody wants to buy a PPV at 3pm).
Echo?
I think you give more credit to Rampage as a draw than he really deserves.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see. If he truly is done, then we’ll never know. I guess we could find out if Rashad fights a no-name but beyond that, we’ll never know. I think Rampage’s marketability goes beyond numbers and a PPV between him and Rashad would have done great numbers. That’s why I don’t see why Dana couldn’t have bit the bullet on this one, put Penn-Sanchez as the main event while pushing Rampage-Rashad on the Super Bowl weekend card.
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You’re continually missing the fact that this fight is taking place in Memphis. It was put there for Rampage. If GSP did this same thing and backed out of a fight in Montreal, people would be saying the exact same thing. Especially if it was for a movie.
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If GSP did the same thing there would be fucking riots and I’d be able to see the fires burning in Montreal from my couch in Kansas City.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Of course him and Rashad would do good numbers. Dude, they have the most watched season of TUF ever, with Kimbo, and some VERY credible heavyweights. And Dana bit the bullet as much as he was willing to, if Rampage wants to throw a fit because Dana called a spade a spade, he can go on with his bad self.
I pity the fool.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling Rampage “stupid” for wanting to do a movie that has deep personal reasons for him is not calling a spade a spade. It’s actually ripping at the self-respect strings that a person has. It’s something that you just do not do.
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We don’t know if he told Dana all that when they met, this is the first time we’ve heard of the personal reasons. And still, you don’t do that shit when you have a prior engagement…I don’t care how personal it is. Unless someone dies, or some serious shit hits the fan…it’s inexcusable.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
THIS
If I pulled that sh*t at my job, I’d be in the unemployment line the next day….
dana has the right to fire Page
but he chooses not to (and I wouldn’t have a problem with that either).
And Dana White can certainly fire/cut/not use Rampage Jackson after this.
People need to quit it with the “If I did this at my job…” bullshit. The situations are not analogous.
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Maybe they’re not analogous, but they’re certainly situations that WILL occur if the same crap was done by Joe Public to his Boss.
Then Dana could have cut Rampage?
Seems like people are mad they don’t have the same kind of leverage at their job.
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If you truly believe that Rampage is as marketable as you say, then you should also be able to understand why Dana is pissed about this. If he let stuff like this go everytime someone wanted to do somethin else, what’s stopping other fighters from doin the same thing. Dana is a tough boss and he has to be. Though I understand he can go overboard but, I think that his anger is justified.
by MMAtt on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because talking shit is part of the marketing too. It is just part of it. Besides anyone who has worked for White for more than a month would know that there would be a backlash for screwing with the UFC (and make no mistake this movie directly screwed with the UFC, they set up a event in Rampage’s home town and he’s chose a bad movie role over it).
A bad movie role? He explained why this movie role meant a lot to him. Just because the majority of people don’t agree with the movie role doesn’t mean he’s not within his rights to take it. It’s personal for him. Let him do it.
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Dana stood by Rampage when he went on a rampage in LA. Dont act like Dana hasn’t ever given Jackson a break before. If Rampage was a NFL player who went on a car chase he would have gotten a multi year suspension from the league. Now Rampage turns his back on the UFC after the UFC put up millions to produce and market TUF as well as plan a fight in his hometown and Dana is the one who fucked Rampage? How fucking delusional are you?
Dana didn’t have to go help him Los Angeles. But why did he? Marketability. Rampage has helped out Dana, as well. Let’s not act like this is a one-way street in the help department here. Rampage has lined Dana’s pockets as well as vice versa. Rampage is fully within his rights to take a movie role. I think Dana acted very childish about the entire situation. Who, in their right mind, talks shit about someone then mends fences only to talk more shit about them? Behind their back, no less. A petulant child, that’s who.
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No
He isnt within his rights to take a movie role when you already have a commitment to a company that has spent millions of dollars on you and promoting an event.
THANK YOU
It might be within his rights, but it’s pretty fucking low, and if your boss gets pissed and vents to the media, it’s no one elses fault other than yours.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh please. If you were a valuable asset to your company and had an important deal that had to be done on a certain date, then bail on that date because you got the chance to be in a movie, you’re lucky to have a job to come back to. Dana being pissed is best case scenario for Rampage, and he better watch his ass, because Dana will destroy Rampage’s image before this movie even has the chance to hit theaters.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You doubt he cares because he’s on the verge of a title shot of the biggest organization in MMA right now and bound to make a killing off of his fight with Rashad Evans after an entire season of TUF, to go act in a movie?
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The movie role has a deep personal meaning for him. So, like I said, self-respect exceeds any paycheck.
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DOES IT PAY THE BILLS, THOUGH?
Can you buy food and clothing for you and your children with "Self-Respect", FlyByKnight?
Yeah….I thought so.
the name of the game is MAKING MONEY. First you said that you saw nothing wrong with Rampage wanting to make a bit more money on the side.
NOW you do an about-face and say he’s doing it for Self-Respect?
I agree with Joe Schmitt’s assessment earlier :
Pffft….get out of here.
A Petulant child, huh?
That’s why Rampage acted like a big baby in his comments above simply stating that he’s “taking his ball and going home”. And DANA is the one who is the Child here? Maybe he acts like a High-School Sophomore sometimes but there’s more WAAAAAH-ing coming from Rampage than anyone else…
Personal reason is irrelevant. If it was that personal and important then he should of not done TUF and agreed to headline a show in his own hometown (something that you would think that would also be personally important to Jackson). He last minuted them on this situation after he already got his mug out there on a season of TUF.
Oh and yes the freaking A Team movie is a bad movie role, seriously this thing has been in developmental hell for years and doesn’t look to be getting any better.
Letting them know 3 months in advance is “last-minuting”?
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Not to mention Dana surely knowing about the A-Team deal for the past year-plus.
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Who knows what Dana knew but do you really think they would of planned the entire second half of the UFC’s year around a Rampage TUF and a huge Rampage event in Memphis if he had known this was a possibility?
by who me on Sep 22, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Page had been talking about it as far back as the Forrest fight.
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Just wanted to give Rampage a few pointers for his new career in a coaching style he would understand.
by Django Z on Sep 22, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Man this sounds like some Tito Ortiz crap. I think perhaps before Rampage quits MMA he needs to do two things; first is get a thicker damn skin (you think Dana White saying a couple of things in interviews in bad, Hollywood will chew him up daily if they ever deem to even pay attention to him), and second he probably needs to make sure he has a second career before he gives up the first forever. I mean if you are worried about feeding your family like he says he is then you would think he would be a bit more cautious about walking away from the sure huge money from involved in the fight with Rashad.
Exactly. I don’t expect this to hold up, and while Dana does have a huge mouth, Rampage doesn’t have a lot of room to complain either. I seem to remember Dana doing plenty to make Rampage money and defend him after the “incident”. How much work is there in Hollywood for him? If he really quits, I won’t be surprised to see him turn up slumming for cash on reality shows and whatnot (Dancing with the Stars?). He’s just not that well known outside MMA. There’s a lot more cash for him inside the UFC.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
“and second he probably needs to make sure he has a second career before he gives up the first forever.”
Never stopped El Matador
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roger's cuter :)
Seriously though, Rampage does have personality, and maybe in the future he could do this, but the freaking A-Team movie? Is anyone interested in this piece of crap?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 22, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to do for fighters acting what BJ Penn and Murilo Bustamante did for fighters with one or two fights left on their contract getting title shots.
by Jahbulon on Sep 22, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Move it back a month… this is why Dana was pissed. this was the upteenth time Zuffa scrambled for him and guess what?
It was another disaster because again his schedule was delayed.
First he didnt want to fight Machida and wanted to fight Rashad for more money and less risk.
He gets to coach on the highest rated Tuf season so he could make even more money from this fight.
he agrees to the fight in his hometown.
Then he goes and signs a movie deal and says all of those commitments were for naught.
Now you have Rashad in Limbo who hasnt fought and may not for close to a year… a hawaiin and a latino headlining a Memphis show. Its like Aliens will be fighting there.
There was no problem with him doing movies… but your commtments to Zuffa come first. if you commit to a fight then everything else needs to be scheduled around that.
This goes for any commitment you make in any field or industry. Its just common knowledge.
If you knew the movie was a possibility before hand you should have never committed to these things.
Rampage is pissed now because his “acting” career is in jeapordy due to the fans turning on him.
He’ll fight again because he has to pay them bills but I dont think he wants to fight anymore.
And some things Dana says are very stupid and some things he says are brilliant. Most of the time the stupid things he says has no value and actually hurt Zuffas position in the argument.
by mmalogic on Sep 22, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Well said Logic.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
According to his blog, Rampage wanted to fight Machida, but they wanted him to do TUF AND told him he’d get Machida afterwards anyway?
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“That’s why I wanted Rashad to win so bad but when Rashad got knocked out I told them I wanted to fight Machida for the belt but Dana told me if I coach TUF against Rashad that I could fight Machida afterwards cause this was a different type of ultimate fighter show they were doing. After I signed the contract Dana then changes his mind & says I have to fight Rashad & even told me what to say in the press & so my fans think I was scared to fight Machida. After all that I still never complained & I did it all.”
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Hey Mike,
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/6/5/900044/quinton-rampage-jackson-says-money
Posted by Kid Nate. Nice video interview with Rampage. Sounds a lot different than what he posted in his blog.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
For those who don’t feel like being torn away from the discussion:
Sure, Jackson respects the title belt. But he’s also trying to make a living and a Machida fight is small potatoes compared to the gains from a successful season on “The Ultimate Fighter.” And now that crossover star Kimbo Slice is part of the show, Jackson has dollar signs in his eyes.
“Those people don’t walk in my shoes,” Jackson said in response to claims that he fears Machida. “They don’t put food on my table. They don’t set up college funds for my kids. I’m not afraid of nobody. If they use their common sense, they can see what my game plan is.”
Jackson said Machida will be around after he beats Rashad Evans. And frankly, Machida isn’t a big enough name to draw monster pay-per-view numbers right now. Oh, that doesn’t matter? It does when most of your money comes from the back end of the pay-per-view.
“I make most of my money off of pay-per-view. When you do ‘The Ultimate Fighter,’ it’s going to help your pay-per-view numbers.”
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't be...it's curse free
May the Forsett be with you.
by SSreporters on Sep 22, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, and Rampage is saying that Dana told him to say this stuff.
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Well, the UFC’s been known to tell guys what to say for the black-and-white intros, in addition to having them storm the cage following a fight.
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I’m sure Dana knows Rampage’s entire schedule and makes sure before every interview that he briefs Rampage on what to say. Give me a break.
Rampage has been about the money since the Pride days. He wants to get paid, and I don’t blame him. It’s quite obvious why he went after Rashad.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that doesn’t necessarily contradict what he’s saying. The UFC told him he could do the show with Rashad and then fight Machida, which would probably be as big/bigger pay day.
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That doesn’t mean Dana is telling him what to say. Rampage isn’t stupid, he knew that Rashad brought him a lot of money, less risk, and a greater reward.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not going to say either side is right, but it seems weird to me to bring this up if there wasn’t at least a half-truth to it.
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Why does it seem that weird? He knew he’s been talking about Rashad and the money for a long time. What’s the easiest way to get out of it…say Dana told him to say it. He’s just covering his tracks. Doesn’t make it true, also doesn’t make it untrue.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t seem weird to me at all, he is covering his tracks here. It is what I would expect him to say at this point.
It’s not a chess move it’s a “it wasn’t me it was the other guy” bit. I mean the chess move to make here would of been to just keep your mouth shut until you were sure you even had a future in Hollywood. Why burn that UFC bridge until you were sure you had another path to walk?
just saying i’m not sure how much rampage is covering tracks or laying out a strategy. he seems to go on a lot of emotion…
A lot of times, yes.
How often do we talk about fights being chosen based on marketability and not who deserves it? How often do we discuss “heels” and heel-like antics?
Obviously MMA is legit competition and WWE is not, but there are plenty of similarities.
BOOSH
I’m not going to try and play detective here, but the stuff he posts in his blog about feeding his kids, and putting them through college, sound awfully familiar. Just sayin…
You can’t seriously believe that Rampage was saying that because of Dana.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, I don’t know for sure. I’m sure the truth, as is usually the case, is somewhere in the middle.
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I’m sure it does too. I can see Dana saying: “Look, coach TUF against Rashad, we’ll set up this huge fight that you’ll most likely win, and you’ll make a ton of money. After that, you’ll take on Machida for the title, and with the help of TUF and the Rashad fight, your popularity will be at it’s highest.”
Does that mean he told him to tell everyone that? Who knows? But, I’m sure Dana presented the business case to Rampage.
I agree that the truth is often somewhere in the middle.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I love the verbal jab he took at Randy Couture. Couture took Dana’s shit for a year before crawling back.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
I thought that was actually a compliment for Couture, saying he’s not Couture and can’t keep on fighting ‘till his 40’s because his body won’t allow it only means Couture is a freak of nature and his body has no limits!
Ironic?
I just got done watching a replay of Hatton-Mayweather (Floyd’s last before “retiring”) and then read this. This is just gamesmanship on Page’s part. He’ll be back next year around June once filming gets done. Nothing’s final, i’m not worried. Dana needs Rampage more than the other way around.
Dana doesn't need Rampage at all...
He’d love to have him, which is of course why he’s so pissed after setting up all this stuff for Rampage and Rashad, but if the movie bombs, which it should, Rampage isn’t going to have anywhere to go but back to Dana. I realize that Rampage took the Jardine fight to help Dana out, but he’s gotten carte blanche outta this since then, and now he’s throwing it away? TUF 10 would guarantee GIGANTIC pay per views dollars for himself and Rashad, and I’m 99% sure he’ll come back and they’ll make that fight in Feb. or so. With that said, Rampage doesn’t seem that interested in training or fighting, so maybe that will be his last fight, but I have a feeling Rampage is going to either come back full time, or proceed on to a pathetic spiral of reality t.v., B-movies and the like…Either way, the UFC will chug right along…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Read my post again
I said he’s going to be back.
Dana does need Rampage to make the mega fight with Rashad.
Also, the TUF coaching was Dana’s idea for Rampage. Not something he asked for.
I read it...
We’re pretty much in agreement, except that part about Dana needing Rampage more, than vice versa, where you were totally wrong. Oh and about this all being Dana’s idea. Rampage asked for TUF/Rashad, and passed on the Machida fight. I agree with you that he’ll be back, but I think Dana has a lot to be angry about. Quinton said on numerous occasions that it was all about the money to him, and that TUF + fight with Rashad was the best money making opportunity for him. And he was right. That’s a huge pay per view. TUF 10 is going to be the most watched year ever (Thanks Kimbo!), and after all this was set up, with the fight in his hometown, Rampage wants to split and do this. Well he’s a grown man, entitled to do what he wants, but he doesn’t live in a vacuum. Tons of planning, marketing cash, etc. all get at least temporarily thrown out the window. Plus Rashad is screwed out of this as well, not that Rampage is thinking about anything but himself and his poor starving kids. Dana is abrasive, but he’s 100% right to be furious about this. The only reason Dana needs Quinton, is that Quinton asked for this, and the UFC have spent a ton of time, money, and P.R. to set it all up. Oh, but now I want to be an actor, stop being mean to me. I’m pretty disgusted with Rampage, especially because I don’t think he’s going to back his threat up. He just wants the world to revolve around him…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 22, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d
But please, paragraphs!
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 23, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Not too many are commenting on his remark about dumb ass fans that don’t pay his bills…except that everyone that buys his ppvs does indeed pay his bills.
Oh I caught it. He can take his movie and shoove it.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 22, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm conflicted
now whether or not to see the movie….
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, three different fanposts in a span of three
minutes on this.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 9:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And two FanShots.
Alla som inte dansar är våldtäktsmän.
by Eugene Schelfaut on Sep 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the first time I’ve ever posted one. I just popped my Fanpost virginity. It wasn’t anything like I expected.
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Wouldn’t that be “fanpost cherry”? I’ve never heard of someone popping their virginity.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 10:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice catch. Yes, but it’s been deleted, so I’m back to being a virgin! It’s like I just had a Jenna Jameson special at the plastic surgeon….
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If the movie money that Dana mentioned was real then rampage probably won’t even make up the money that the loss of momentum will do to his PPV even if he does come back.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
Rampage isnt making much on the first movie but there’s a good director and producer behind this film so if there is a sequel he would make some good money. Still not more than what he would have made with his fight against Rashad though.
i can't wait to hear what rashad says
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until you hear what Rashad’s mom has to say…
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
by Deo Wade on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hate to say it, but his impressions of his mom have made me like him juuuuuuuust a little bit
by cagefightonacid on Sep 23, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Long term playing Mr T – you are automatically typecast…. shit being black you are automatically type cast.
There’s like 2 black guys who actually make money in hollywood. His Manager is nuts.
"There’s like 2 black guys who actually make money in hollywood."
come on, that’s ridiculous and you know it
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow. That’s a pretty stupid thing to say.
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by Beer Monster on Sep 22, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He says many stupid things when he is pissed. Very Dana’ esque.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
OK so name the Black actors who make money? The same black actors play the same type cast role in almost every single movie… Except for Denzel, Will Smith.
Even Cuba Gooding (the guy who won an oscar) is back to playing the same old type cast roles.
Its not a talent problem its a cultural one.
Dezel, Will Smith, Tyler Perry, Eddie Murphy makes a shitload of money off his horrible movies, Chris Rock pulls good cash, Forrest Whittaker makes more than MMA fighters for his roles, same with Morgan Freeman, and Don Cheadle.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough..
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Black people and white people can make money, yo.
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http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
As long as you don’t list Matt Damon.
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by FlyByKnight on Sep 22, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Drop the race talk...
we’re getting into a territory where I will have to start banning. I know you’ll claim that I can’t win this argument, but it’s that we can’t go down the race road any further.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
and your point wasn't typecasting...
it was that black actors don’t make money. Which is stupid, and wrong
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They...make...money...
please reference any of the many lists that have been posted.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
pound for pound versus a white they make money?
No.
The degree of difficulty for a Black person to make it in hollywood is alot higher than a white person.
I would just drop this subject.
There will be ZERO winners.
Agreed...
let’s keep race out of this. We’re heading into a territory where guys get banned
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You are losing.
May the Forsett be with you.
by SSreporters on Sep 22, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Morgan Freeman, Sidney Poitier, Samuel L. Jackson, Laurence Fishburne, James Earl Jones, Charles S. Dutton, Denzel Washington, Harry Belafonte, Wesley Snipes, Danny Glover, Carl Weathers, Cuba Gooding, Jr. Ice Cube, Mario Van Peebles, Will Smith, Ving Rhames, i could go on if you want
by cagefightonacid on Sep 22, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i went to rec this but saw i already did
by cagefightonacid on Sep 23, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s like 2 black guys who actually make money in hollywood. His Manager is nuts.
Let’s see, will smith, denzel washington, samuel l. jackson, cuba gooding Jr, morgan freeman, laurence fishburne, jamie fox, eddie murphy, chris rock, and the list goes on…
You want me to now list the white actors who get paid to prove my point? it wont even be a comparison.
last...warning...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Brent told you to cut the race shit out.
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http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
sure, why not list them?
we can also list latinos and asians who makes bank too. who cares? my point is that it’s not at all unreasonable for a black person to make a lot of money acting nowadays. times have changed.
by orcus on Sep 22, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On another note...
I think this should lead the UFC into changing the way they handle the coaches for TUF. Have them sign the fight contract before the show starts filming, so someone dosen’t run off and pull a “Rampage”. Sounds relatively reasonable.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
The BE Crew has their work cut out for them with this one.
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
Apparently full post from Quinton
From over at mmajunkie. I didn’t see this anywhere else on BE, so feel free to delete this post if it’s a repeat.
The UFC has done a lot for me but I think I have done more for them. The UFC bought WFA to get my contract & they saved my life, so I felt loyal to them. They pushed me into a fight with Chuck Liddel even when I clearly stated I wasn’t ready to fight for the belt because the American fans didn’t know me but I took the fight and didn’t complain & after I won the American fans booed me for the first time which changed the way I saw them & it hurt me deeply.
Then before I can even get out of the cage they announced that I was fighting Dan Henderson without even asking me. After I beat Dan Henderson, I made history in becoming the first undisputed champion in MMA but was never even given the pride belt in the cage & I was never promoted as the undisputed champ. Later Anderson Silva was.
Then they had me coach TUF season 7 and fight Forrest and the fight was very controversial & normally when a fight is that close & controversial there is normally an instant replay. I can name a couple of instances. Instead they offered me the Vanderlei Silva fight which I gladly accepted even though I know it was a very risky fight for me to take because of all the drama that was happening to me at the time. I fought that fight with a jaw injury and then a couple weeks later Dana called me and asked me to fight Rashad. For the first time I said no, I didn’t want to fight because it was such short notice & I wouldn’t have had a long break between camp. Dana talked me into fighting Rashad anyway but Rashad refused the fight and so I had to fight Jardine as a favor to the UFC instead of getting my belt back (which wasn’t even worth it to me financially).
Then I reinjured my jaw in the fight with Vanderlei & Jardine. Frank Mir gets hurt so they wanted to switch my fight from UFC 100 to the fight Frank couldn’t make it to but I couldn’t fight cause I needed jaw surgury. So they give Machida the fight against Rashad & they told me they want me to coach TUF season 10 against Rashad. That’s why I wanted Rashad to win so bad but when Rashad got knocked out I told them I wanted to fight Machida for the belt but Dana told me if I coach TUF against Rashad that I could fight Machida afterwards cause this was a different type of ultimate fighter show they were doing. After I signed the contract Dana then changes his mind & says I have to fight Rashad & even told me what to say in the press & so my fans think I was scared to fight Machida. After all that I still never complained & I did it all.
Then this movie role came about that I have been trying to get for over a year & as soon as I found out I was close to getting it, I called Dana right away & asked to push the Memphis fight back just a month or so. I told him what this movie role meant to me. I told him that I used to bond with my father watching the tv show as a kid when my parents where still married & it represents the memories I had with my father when we lived together. My dad became an alcohalic & addicted to drugs & we grew apart. But after my dad got his life back together, I was so proud of my dad & I told him I would always take care of him in the future & make him proud of me. My dad & I are still very big fans of the show & I am basically doing this for the childhood memories I had spending time in front of the tv with my dad. Dana went on the internet & mocked me because of that & I still did nothing. Dana & I finally talked & we made up & then after that he went back on the internet & said some bullshit & he was talking bad about the movie when information is not even supposed to be released & talking about payments which is not even true could really hurt my future acting career, which could very well last longer than my fighting career. I’m not like Randy Couture. My body has been getting so many different injuries that I wont be able to fight until my forties & neither do I want to fight that long. So I feel like my second career could be in jeopardy.. so I’m done fighting. I’ve been getting negative reviews from the dumb ass fans that don’t pay my bills or put my kids though college. So I’m hanging it up. I’m gonna miss all my loyal fans but hopefully they’ll follow me to my new career & I will gain more loyal fans along the way. & all you hater fans out there can kiss my big black hairy ass! & anybody that don’t like what I just said can come try to kick my ass!
I still feel the UFC is a great organization and I felt like I was very loyal to them but they didn’t respect my loyalty but I wish the UFC the best. I did a lot of things for them. I wish no bad blood between us but I have kids & a family back in Memphis to provide for & thats all that matters to me!
First time the man wants to do something for himself, Dana spits on him. I’m glad Rampage did what he did.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
Me too, This way he can crawl his way back into the UFC
and we can rejoice! LONG LIVE DANA!
So we’re all just supposed to believe Dana’s side like it’s irrefutable but Rampage’s gets a disclaimer? So bogus.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
he’s pretty sensitive for a guy who makes fun of everyone
by cmcbeast on Sep 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s remember that Rampage has had 37 professional fights, including plenty of wars. It’s smart of him to give his body a rest.
The UFC will pay Rampage to keep him.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.........
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't buy any "retirement" especially since Favre
I bet he comes back next year.
May the Forsett be with you.
Or maybe he did retire so he could
Have more alone time with that chick he dry-humped in that interview.
May the Forsett be with you.
In related news, according to sherdog, Huerta is going to continue in mma.
"I’m still open to acting," said Huerta. "Hopefully we get something going with that, but I’m not going to prioritize (acting) now. I’ll still prioritize fighting. If the UFC wants me back, I’d be willing to go back."
I think he found out pretty boys who are 5 foot 5 dont make much traction in the modeling or acting business.
Tom Cruise disagrees with your statement.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 22, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 23, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll assume you haven’t met, or been around, many actors then. Seriously, almost every leading man in Hollywood is 2 inches above midget-hood. They’re all tiny people.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 23, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage may as well just copy and save this, he can use the same statement in a month and save himself some time.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem is not moving the show one month or 2 months down… The problem is after then scheduling it again what are Rampages priorities? What if another movie role is presented? Then what? Is rashad going to take that risk? Zuffa?
Rampage admits himself requesting the show to be moved a month out. If it was moved it would have to have been rescheduled AGAIN. who’s to say something else wont come up later…
Don’t give him title shots? Have him fight bums? Drop him from his contract?
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Ultimate Fighter was created for Rampage?
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by FlyByKnight on Sep 22, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and gentleman, Literal Larry!
claps hands
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No. UFC held open casting in early April. Rashad and Rampage weren’t named coaches until late May.
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by FlyByKnight on Sep 22, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How does this relate at all to what Fagan posted? They aren’t going to give him easy fights on the undercard, drop him from his contract, or anything else, because they’ve promoted an entire season of TUF around the Rampage vs. Rashad fight. That’s what logic is saying.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, my logic is saying that this season wasn’t created just for him. It was created before him. He just went there to coach on the basis that he may get a title shot out of it.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
by FlyByKnight on Sep 22, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re arguing semantics at this point. Obviously, you’re missing the point of the above posts.
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by Joe Schmitt on Sep 22, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The entire season was designed to push Rampage vs Rashad, Kimbo being added in was a last minute issue. It’s not a hard concept to understand what is being said here.
And barely anyone but the hardcores and baseline would give a rat’s a** if Kimbo was there.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Sep 22, 2009 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well who cares anyways – I mean black people aren’t marketable fighters nor make money at the movies and Rampage’s draw is so anemic wrt ppvs, tuf ratings, etc.
So this is like a huge blessing in disguise!
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 22, 2009 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Atleast we won’t have to deal with him as a coach on TUF, he is the worest coach that has been on that show,
"On the sixth day god created man,but on the fifth day man created god" - Todd White on The Book Of Lucifer:
The Enlightenment
He wasn’t there for his coaching. He was there for his marketability.
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by FlyByKnight on Sep 22, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
People need to realize the ONE reason TUF is so highly rated this year – hint it’s not Rashad or Jackson, if it was just them it would be the same old 1.8-2.2 ratings – it’s Kimbo and that’s it.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Sep 22, 2009 10:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think what flybyknight means is that Page was trying to increase his fanbase by going on TUF (this is something Page has said in the past when he chose to go on TUF instead of fighting Machida). My guess is he found out Kimbo was going to be on and decided to go on TUF because he knew with Kimbo around the ratings would be off the hook. Page ain’t no fool!
Ahhh missed that…no doubt, he just wants to make bread too.
No need for them to get so butthurt anyways bc Kimbo being on that ppv card (you just know that’s the plan) is going to be the big driver for buys.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Listen to us squawking like chickens.
I love me some Rampage, and if this is what he wants to do, that’s fine. If he comes back and fights, that’s great too, he’s one of the most exciting fighters of all time. But he’s a grown ass man, I’ll let him decide what the fuck he wants to do.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 22, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
So we can’t talk about it? Seriously the entertainment in these places is talking about current issues in MMA of course there is going to be discussion. What is sad is when people get bent out of shape discussing it or forget that their opinions don’t matter in the grand scheme of things. We won’t influence the situation but that doesn’t mean we can’t talk about it.
no i think it's totally fine for us to talk about it...
but scroll up, dude. there was some shit about betrayal, race in hollywood, MUUUUURRRDER…….
but us MMA fans take a lot of shit personally, which I understand; we’ve stuck by this sport when its been shunned by most, and a lot of these people are actually our heroes (see the Cro Cop posts). but this deification blinds us to the fact that these are actual people, who may be fickle and change their minds, even if someone else thinks it’s bullshit. you, me, the dude next door do it all the time.
facts of life dude.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 22, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No respect....
Is that what were suppose to take from this? That Rampage is not a great actor and is making a bad decision. I don’t think so. The UFC has all these fighters by the balls. Rampage is right, dana has belittled him throughout this ordeal and frankly, I think they need to release the reigns a little. This could completely boost the UFC’s appeal, much like a certain retired fighters appearence on Dancing With the Stars. Dana White shows no respect for the people that work for him, how can fighters respect him? And how can we as fans respect someone that cares so little for the product he represents?
Not quite the right direction. The road to Hell is... RIGHT HERE.
Yeah, bailing him out of jail
and shielding him from the press was shitting on him.
I think some of you are taking this a bit personal...
Rampage signed a contract to fight Rashad. He made a commitment and he should have stuck with it. He should fight Rashad and then go do the movie. Personally, I think Rampage is being a bit juvenile about this and I’m really curious about his management’s stand on this.
“He should fight Rashad and then go do the movie.”
This clearly wasn’t an option.
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yeah...
they aren’t going to put a multi million dollar production on hold for the guy with the least acting experience to go do some fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, this whole movie thing has been a clusterfuck from day 1.
Rampage was talking about it a year ago on abc, then the talk died down.
Dana is stupid for scheduling TUF and the Memphis fight without knowing what was going on with the movie. Rampage was stupid for going on TUF and agreeing to the memphis thing without knowing about the movie.
Dana is stupid for getting so upset about the situation, rampage is stupid for getting mad a dana getting upset.
by Phildo on Sep 22, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
This...
is probably the most truthful thing in the entire comment section. It’s not a one guy is right situation as far as I can tell.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot to add that we’re all stupid for getting upset at everyone else’s stupidity.
Especially because we know how this is going to end. Lorenzo will go talk to Rampage, Rampage and Dana will hug, Rampage and Rashad will fight, everyone will count their money.
Probably. But, to be honest, I hope not.
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by FlyByKnight on Sep 22, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s just stupid.
A reconciliation is the best result for everyone, I mean, everyone except the corner of the internet that still holds their irrational hate for all things Dana.
by Phildo on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not irrational hate, at least not on my part. I just wish, for once, that someone would finally stand up to him for the bashing and not back down. At the end of the day, money talks. I know that. I just wish more people would start getting back to the self-worth aspect of things. Is that naive of me? Absolutely. Problem is, I’m stubborn. So I hope this stays as is.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
by FlyByKnight on Sep 22, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 22, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Both are at fault, clearly – but exactly how many times there has been some kind of dispute or war of words with Dana White as one of the participants? The guy apparently can’t keep his mouth shut – even if it benefited him and the company – and the only reason that hasn’t yet cost him dearly is because UFC is basically the only game in town. Imagine a situation where there was real competition and one of the players had a frontman like Dana? Game over.
He was willing to honour the commitment, they just got their skirt in a bunch bc he wanted to honour the commitment at a shortly delayed date, which as far as I can tell was well within his right to do so.
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by The_Gaijin on Sep 22, 2009 10:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but they delayed the filming date again… so the “second” commitment would have not been honored as well.
Nobody knows whats going to happen… thats the problem. The Movie production could care less about Rampages schedule so the question was what’s Rampage’s priority and that question was answered.
Now the question is if he commits to another fight show what if they want to do extra filming, a new movie role, etc…
Its not a as simple as just moving the fight.
Exactly.
I do wish Dana would shut his yap, and do his ranting in a sound isolation booth, but no one expects the production company to move the movie for Rampage, but a lot of people assume moving the fight two months back is no big deal, even though it was agreed to first. There’s a t.v. show, UFC primetimes, a countdown, who knows what else, plus the pay per view. These things are complicated to plan, organize, develop and market properly. If they want Rampage to play Mr. T so badly, let them move their gigantic set of timetables. But of course, they won’t…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 23, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
WTF
I go to happy hour, and then come back to this…
hahahaha
At least you didn’t come back with something regrettable.
Oh, to have some of those nights back…
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 22, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I like how people say the fighters should stand up to their boss. The last time I checked if someone got all high and mighty at my place of employment they were sat down, talked to, then written up about how if it happens again they are fired. It’s how business works. There is no way in hell I could walk in to my full time job and tell my boss that I have to take some time off because I have another job lined up for a few months. They would tell me to go to part time and I would never get my status back. I know this doesn’t exactly reflect the fight business but it’s pretty damn close.
these type of things sure bring out the crazies.
People preferring that Rampage never fight again just so he can ‘stick it to the man’ need to have their head examined.. seriously.
Is Rampage right to be pissed off, yeah I think so but then to have a company spend millions on getting a fight for him in his home town and now he’s not even going to fight there and two non-natives are headlining is insane.
agree, find it hilarious that (alleged) mma fans are hoping that Rampage never fights again (like flybyknight hopes for) just so Dana “loses,” when in reality UFC still goes along, doesn’t take much of a hit at all and it’s the fans that lose, at least the true ones that like to watch fights, including the best against the best, instead of rooting for it not to happen (like people being happy Fedor didn’t sign with the UFC) so they can say, “ha, Dana lost”…ridiculous…
I hope Rampage has a successfull career in acting, does enyone think he had much of a future at LHW with Machida holding the belt? This is for the best.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
if he can’t get any other roles after the a-team, i’m sure vince mcmahon could use another marketable tough guy actor for his movie studio to put opposite one of his pro wrestlers
Cena is due another film role
So he’s been a Marine with a kidnapped wife and a cop with a kidnapped girlfriend. I guess it’s time for him to play a security guard with a kidnapped “woman he flirts with on the 5th floor” and Rampage could be the hired muscle of the scrawny guy that does the kidnapping. Smell that box office gold…
by black dragon on Sep 23, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
“Dumbass fans don’t pay my bills” think that one over Rampage
by thesource on Sep 23, 2009 2:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"The UFC has done a lot for me but I think I have done more for them … this
The sheer delusion of this statement says all you need to say about Rampage right now. When will these guys learn the lesson that Tito, Couture and apparantly Huerta have all come to know you don’t bite the hand that feeds you because Dana bites back. Rampage will be fighter number 153 to come back to the UFC with his tail between his legs after finding out that life is better in the UFC than outside of it.
Let him do what he wants. If it makes him more money, or he thinks he can make more in the long run… go for it.
Dana should have known this was coming with the growing popularity of the UFC and treating fighters as independent contractors. He is a victum of his own success.
Rampage is a big enough name with the popularity of the UFC, has credibility as being a legitimate tough guy, and as we have seen in the last episode of TUF, tons of personality. I think he could have an acting career AT WORST as good a Terry Crews where he splits his time between playing a villain and playing a funny guy.
I believe Rampage
when he says that White pressured him into saying publicly he’d rather fight Rashad instead of Machida, regardless of the reasoning.
The supposed “hate” between the two TUF coaches that has been so hyped up by Dana seems purely synthesized. In one of the TUF previews, I forget which one, Rampage and Rashad were engaging in some innocent shit-talking, like two friends over a ping pong game, and then Dana busted in to the room and started saying “hey guys, break it up, calm down”, and then was shown on camera in the back talking about the bad blood between the two and how he had to separate them.
Give me a break Dana, we know you are trying to make money, but dont treat us like we are stupid. It’s okay for two opposing coaches to get along. Of course that didn’t really turn out well with the whole Hughes/Franklin thing did it…
ALRIGHT YOU WIN.
Rampage "Retries"
The UFC has done a lot for me but I think I have done more for them
I love Rampage, but who’s he kidding with that nonsense?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
yeah, no shit
Without UFC he certainly wouldn’t be acting.
by WestbergIDFC on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock has done more for the UFC just by having his Gorilla-Ass there then Rampage has his entire career.
(note, I’m referring to BROCK as the Gorilla here….just to make sure everyone understands)
by that rationality
I’m sure Kimbo has done more as well by going on TUF… 5 mil is a lot of ppl and many will be brought to the UFC due to him.
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