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Estimated Mayweather vs Marquez Boxing PPV Buys Beat UFC 103 PPV Buyrate, Over 1 Million Buys? Plus More MMA News!

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Iole on Buyrates between Mayweather vs JMM and UFC 103:

The UFC is a privately owned company and does not have to release its pay-per-view sales, which it chooses not to do. Occasionally, we’re able to find out what a particular fight sold, but it’s not often. From what I’m hearing, though, the Mayweather fight had a convincing victory. I’m hearing the Mayweather-Marquez pay-per-view is going to come in at or near 1 million sales. I don’t have a verifiable figure for the UFC, but I believe it will be far lower than 1 million. The boxing number should be released by Thursday at the latest and perhaps on Wednesday.

 

Various websites had estimated that the Mayweather vs Marquez PPV was going to be at around 600K- 700K PPV buys.  The UFC 103 PPV was estimated at around 400-600K PPV buys.  We will find out the actual PPV numbers for the boxing event later on this week.  There was extensive amount of advertising done by Golden Boy the last week of the event, specially in Southern California.  This could have created a boost in the PPV buys.

 

Dana most likely saw the writing on the wall a few days before the events took place:

Here’s the reality, here’s the reality. Let’s say Floyd does a million buys out there… there’s a million stupid fucking people out there. All right? That has nothing to say, that doesn’t mean, oh God, boxing’s better and bigger than the UFC, that’s not true. The reality is, the UFC is bigger than boxing and the WWE combined. The funny thing about the Floyd Mayweather thing is he runs around and he says, you know, money money is all he’s talking about, you know, they’re paying me [unintelligible], you’re fucking paying him that! You the fans are paying him that money! You talk about how much you fucking hate him and you don’t like the way he fights and you don’t want to see him run around in circles and you’re the ones giving him that money.”

 

UPDATE FROM IOLE'S TWITTER:

 I’ve heard from some good sources since last Tweet that it may even be as high as 1.6 million

If this did 1.5-1.6 million buys, this would be HUGE for boxing and completely unexpected by everyone.

 

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Iole Makes the case that Signing Herschel Walker Will Be Good For Strikeforce and MMA:

Walker is 47 now and not likely to be anything more than a blip on the screen when it comes to making his mark as a fighter. But Walker may turn out to be a key player in helping MMA’s march toward mainstream status.

Walker is a 1982 Heisman Trophy winner, College Football Hall of Fame member and a two-time Pro Bowl running back in the NFL. When he makes his MMA debut, sometime likely early next year, he’ll bring with him hordes of attention.

Media that probably would never give MMA a second thought will write about Walker and talk about his motivations. His fight will get unprecedented media attention, much like one-time street fighter Kimbo Slice did before debut on CBS in 2008.


Iole on Walker's knowledge of MMA and as a good bridge to the Media:

Walker is an articulate man who has a great passion for MMA. I sat next to him at an Ultimate Fighting Championship card at the Hard Rock in Las Vegas in 2006 and talked about the sport for hours. He loved it, knew it intimately and was able to discuss it with ease.

There are many such athletes in MMA already, but non-MMA media pays them little mind. Walker can be one of the guys who helps to bring an extra level attention to the sport, which will subsequently help attract new fans to the game.

Had he gotten into MMA when he was in his athletic prime, he would have been a serious threat to become a heavyweight championship. He’s an elite athlete with a rare combination of size, speed and power.

His contribution to the growth of the sport will likely not be measured by wins and losses and titles won, but rather by the impact he makes in attracting positive attention for the sport.



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Iole on Strikeforce on CBS and the UFC on Network in the future:

Strikeforce is a quality promoion and I think it will do well with the programming on CBS. The UFC has become a major success without network TV, so its executives are going to be picky before they make the leap. The networks make promoters jump through a lot of hoops, but given that the UFC has been successful without network TV to this point, I don’t think Dana White or owner Lorenzo Fertitta are inclined to jump. Strikeforce is becoming a national promotion now, but for most of its existence has been a regional promotion. This will help Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker get exposure for his brand and generate badly needed income. I trust Coker to do the right thing.



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Cung Le on how many fights he has left with Strikeforce and his loyalty to Scott Coker:

KP: If you do come back, how many fights will you have left on the contract with Strikeforce?

CL: I’ll have four fights left.

Cung Le compares pay between movies and MMA:

KP: So, just to give the fans some idea of the film environment context: how many fights would you need to take in order to balance out what you might make on your next film?

CL: Basically it depends on the part. I think the best thing to say would be that I’m one to two movies away from making seven figures. You could say that my next project, I’m expecting to make three times as much for 8-10 weeks of film work as I would for one fight.

Relationship between Cung and Coker:

Coming to the decision was not easy especially considering his long standing relationship with Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker. "It was a very difficult decision. I have been fighting and competing in martial arts since 1994. I turned pro in 1998. I have been with Scott Coker since 1998 when I signed with him. He put me on ESPN 2 on Strikeforce Kickboxing and made me fight for titles in super fights. Also we went over to K1 USA to do super fights and then when he opened up the mixed martial arts Strikeforce division I was part of his first show and my last show with him was against Frank Shamrock."

 

 

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UFC 103 Spike Prelims Ratings from MMAJunkie:

ABC's broadcast of an NCAA college football game between top-ranked Texas and rival Texas Tech proved the highest-rated program in any Saturday night time slot.

The total viewership of 1.4 million viewers for UFC 103's preliminary card special earned Spike TV a 1.0 household rating.

While the figure pales in comparison to the Sept. 16 mark of 2.9 million viewers that tuned into Spike TV to watch "UFC Fight Night 19: Diaz vs. Guillard," the network will undoubtedly view Saturday's ratings as a success – especially when considering the event featured only preliminary card matchups.

With the UFC 103 buyrate possibly being less than the boxing PPV, only getting a 1.0 rating in Spike for the prelims, and with an estimated buyrate of around 400 - 600K PPV buys, I wonder if Zuffa will give us free prelims on Spike TV again.  As a fan, I hope they were happy enough with those numbers to give us free prelims again. 

 

 

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Sengoku News:

According to Internet magazine"MIRUHON Net", SENGOKU lost about 1.5bilion Yen($15000000).in two years.........

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and, MIRUHON said that ISHII Satoshi -SENGOKU contract is only in japan, ISHII can fight in other country's promotion

So, it seems that 2 years of running their promotion has cost Sengoku roughly about $15 - 16 million dollars. This was expected as they lost a ton of money in their first 6-8 months of operations, though it has been stated that they started to make some money earlier this year.  It also doesn't hurt World Victory Road that Don Quijote is their main sponsors and are started to be heavily supported by other companies in Japan. 

Also, it is very interesting to see that Ishii's deal is only exclusive in Japan, meaning that he can fight for any other promotion outside of Japan.  If that is the case, expect Senogoku a similar deal to Gomi for their NYE show so Gomi could fight in the states as well.

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The question I have is how many viewers of the UFC 103 prelims on Spike did in fact purchase the PPV? If it was half or three-quarters I think it would still be a success b/c it was a non-title fight card

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a friend of mine purchased the pay per view with his girlfriend (she was actually the one that convinced him!) after watching the hour long prelims on spike so at least a few people must have done the same

by pinchet on Sep 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would be nice especially since we got to see 4 undercard fights instead of two – and IMO they were all exciting and entertaining fights

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a fan, I hope they were happy enough with those numbers to give us free prelims again.

according to your post, looks like they will.

the network will undoubtedly view Saturday’s ratings as a success – especially when considering the event featured only preliminary card matchups.

and yes, Herschel will get in the Press.. Gimmicks get the press’ attention..

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

That is MMA Junkies opinion, so, I am not sure what the real answer to that is. Remember, this was most likely done so that UFC 103 would beat the boxing PPV.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t be surprised if UFC 103 does not beat boxing given boxing’s long history but I would be surprised if the numbers are pretty close

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never thought they will beat mayweather.

it’s one of the biggest boxing shows of the year, and one of the least stacked UFC event recently..

I also don’t think that they honestly thought that they’d beat Floyd..if they reach 500k they’ll probably be giddy school girls already.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last I heard, UFC 103 was projected to do around 400-500K PPV buys. Though, the premlims on Spike could have bumped it up. Hard to tell.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

500K for a non-title card with none of the usual stars like Anderson, BJ, Randy, Brock, Tito or GSP is pretty good

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe I should take back Anderson Silva – b/c before UFC 101 he was not bringing in high ppv buys

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup..

Though remember, Dana was trying to make UFC 103 a HUGE card to put Mayweather and boxing in its place. This was when they thought they would get Fedor and they were going to set up Fedor vs Lesnar at 103. Obviously, those plans didn’t work out.

The UFC even had Hendo vs Franklin as the main event, but switched it to Vitor vs Franklin after fans complained.

A lot of history behind this UFC 103 card.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good reminder – I am glad they changed out Dan Henderson for Vitor Belfort – I bought this ppv mostly to see Vitor back in the UFC

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of history behind this UFC 103 card.

A lot of history that 98% of the people who bought the card knew nothing about.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would challenge your statement b/c I think that if this card even does close to 500K buys it’s b/c of the hardcore fans

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there were that many hardcores every card would do at least 500K.

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they why didn’t affliction do that well?

Unless you think that about 400k hardcore fans have been created between now and the last affliction card that happened, hardcores being responsible makes no sense.

by Phildo on Sep 22, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

boxing

and maywether would have tucked tail too, if brock was on the 103 card. guaranteed odh and maywether promotions would have rescheduled AGAIN, if that were the case. mma does not fear pbf, oscar was the only boxer they scheduled thier events around. some history as well behind the pbf/jmm fight as well.

by bdw on Sep 22, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They won’t challenge Pac-Man vs Mayweather either. That would do at least 1.5 million buys.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they wont

b/c they don’t have too. but if they wanted too, they could beat them. love him or hate himBROCKLESNAR IS the bigggest ppv draw in all of sports. boxing will NEVER schedule a ppv aginst brock, not the other way around you do know that the ufc is beating and has been beating boxing by double for the last couple of years and will do so again this year. maywether and pac-man might not even fight due to boxings politics (although i see money ruling the day on that one). if they do fight, then one of them drops off, just like oscar. pbf and pac-man probably only have a few fights left, then what? plese dont go with “i love boxing too” b/c i’m willing to bet i have forgotten more about boxing than what you actually know. your just so gleefull that the ufc “lost” this one. sort of. :):)

by bdw on Sep 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, I have been watching boxing and martial arts since the 80’s, but thanks for that post.

I like both sports, so I will support both. Just because you like one thing doesn’t mean the other has to fail.

Also, who cares that the UFC lost this one, overall, they are still raking in more PPV buys than any other sport or promotion.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

thanks for agreeing with me. don’t be so sure that pac-man beats cotto as well. he’s not an over the hill past his prime fighter like oscar and hatton were. he’s a big strong ww who is still in his prime. i’m just being realistic, not rooting for something to fail. thats what you specialize in.

by bdw on Sep 22, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cotto has an excellent chance as well, but speed kills and Pac-Man will have that advantage. Again, I wouldn’t be shocked if Cotto won.

Oh, and the agreement was intentional, that was the point.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayweather-Pacman is the biggest event in combat sports. It could break the all time ppv record Floyd already set.

Floyd is the biggest draw in combat sports. His ppv numbers don’t lie. Boxing won , MMA lost after trying really hard, Deal with it.

by Upstait on Sep 22, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BROCK blows anything Little-Boy-Floyd does OUT OF THE WATER.

He can draw 1.2 million just to see him pick his nose.

YOU deal with it.

by BNTHIS on Sep 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo Slice > Herscel Walker, at least when it comes to boosting media attention to the sport.

by MMAEruption on Sep 22, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A 1.0 is considered a success for basic cable.The prelims also delivered in the desired demos: 1.5 in m18-34 and 1.3 in m18-49. Most of the media that has reported the numbers have presented it as a success.

Regardless of how happy Spike is with this (and those numbers will make them happy, especially since Saturday nights are often throwaway nights), it will be up to the UFC as to whether or not they do it again.

That will come down to one thing: Late buys. The UFC will look at the % of buys that came in the last hour for 103 vs. for previous shows.

If they saw a solid surge in late buys, it will likley be done again.

Internally, the UFC thought 104 would do around 400k. This was actually seen as a weaker event than Nog/Couture so expectations were fairly low. If this did 600k, White will be dancing around his office.

by Lynchman on Sep 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think UFC 102 did 435K buys and this past event, UFC 103, is estimated at around 400K-500K.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it hits 500k.

by Lynchman on Sep 22, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, according to previous trends, it should do around 350K – 450K.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it'll be right in the middle...

like 400-410

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 23, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed.

I don’t see it doing more than 425k. A year ago, this might not have done more than 325k.

I have been very opposed to merging the WEC and UFC, but maybe it is indeed time for that. It seems like each year, the UFC goes through a couple of stints were they struggle for main events and major bouts.

It would take time to build up the FW and BW divisions, but it could give them added firepower.

by Lynchman on Sep 23, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff

keep on posting bro! but am i the only one who thinks you should split his stuff up into multiple posts? i kind of got lost after the buyrate discussion.

by GregS123 on Sep 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am also wondering if the UFC would consider showing future ppv fight cards at movie theatres or at least advertise fight cards at the movies

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Golden Boy

Really promoted this card heavily. Southern California was stormed by the boxing card, and very little was heard about the UFC 103 card. DLH was hitting all the radio stations, etc.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn’t 1 million buys for a mayweather fight very close to a failure? And comparing UFC 103 to the boxing show is like apples and oranges. They only story is how much one hurt the other. 103 was never going to do over a million. But the UFC cranks out almost 2 shows a month that are high quality so people skip some that they are not as excited about. We are not made of money. But its hard to skip a big boxing fight since they only happen every 6 months. Boxing was always going to “win” the buy rate, but where did the crossover audience go?

by szucconi on Sep 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For Mayweather?

Hell no. That is a damn success for him. PBF can’t sell PPV’s by himself. He has always been dubbed boring and too defensive in boxing.

Now, if you were talking about De La Hoya, then Yes, that would apply.

I like both boxing and MMA, so I hate when people compare, but, this was made into a huge deal by Mayweather and Dana, so, people made it a big deal.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did the Ricky Hatton PPV do?

by szucconi on Sep 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricky Hatton has a HUGE following.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Mayweather has a huge anti-following and JMM has a substantial Latino following. Giving the 850K number for Hatton below, 1 million is good. But if someone can attempt to break down how many people would have watched boxing if UFC was not on or would have watched UFC if boxing was not on, I will be happy. It not going to be perfect, but raw numbers is not that interesting and leaves a lot out of the story.

by szucconi on Sep 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no such data.
It is believed that there is not much of a cross over between the two, though.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find that hard to believe. I would bet Eugene could pull that together given enough time and thought. Given that UFC does well in 18-30 demo, you could cross the demo numbers for 103 and Boxing and Boxing events that didn’t compete with UFC and UFC that didn’t compete with Boxing. By matching Demo ratios you could extrapolate changes and better compare how each of the events did. Where can I get some demo numbers from the past weekend? That is the data I need. If only the UFC released such info, I would be like a pig in shit.

by szucconi on Sep 22, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Networks release that data, but PPV buys are private data, so breaking the buys down is something that is pretty hard to do. It would be a lot of guess work.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

850,000

Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by ufc4 on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, I was looking for that.
Thanks.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You hate when people compare, yet you directly do it in the title of the post focusing to the detriment of the UFC?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I reported because many people are interested in the numbers. I hate when people hate on one versus the other. I like boxing and MMA. I actually like all combat sports.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You keep saying that, but word choice and stories reported keep singing a different tune.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 23, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

For someone who actually likes all combat sports you seem to poo-poo on the UFC’s parade an awful lot.

by Buddha Brown on Sep 23, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all. I enjoy the UFC. Its just that I dont ONLY enjoy the UFC.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of your posts (save 2 I think) that involve the UFC are negative. You barely ever mention anything negative about other subjects and instead go on and on about “possibilities” and “rumors”.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 23, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope they continue to show a few undercard fights on SpikeTV, I think it’s an excellent way for them to drum up interest in buying the PPV and it’s a nice reward for those crazy enough to buy all the PPVs.
I suppose it could work against them too, often the undercard fights are a little dull and/or the undercard is awesome and the PPV sucks (fool me once scenario).

I’m still on the side of having Walker compete in MMA is a good thing, it will come down to who they put him against and how they promote it. If they convey that he’s trying his hand and loves the sport then it won’t matter how he does because people will be inclined to watch. If they try and talk him up like he’s the second coming (like a similar fighters now in the TUF house) it will likely backfire on them.

by pr0cs on Sep 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with Iole. Signing Herschel Walker is not a good idea in my opinion.

What happens when Herschel Walker ends up on the wrong end of a highlight reel KO? It means he almost certainly has suffered a concussion.

What comes along with Post Concussion Syndrome? From here: http://health.stateuniversity.com/pages/1224/Post-Concussion-Syndrome.html

The majority of patients with minor head injury characteristically develop PCS with distinct symptoms. Patients may report problems with concentration, recent memory, and abstract thinking. Additionally, patients may develop dizziness, irritability, fatigue, and personality changes. Elderly patients are particularly affected by disequilibrium and chronic dizziness even after minor trauma.

Notice one of the symptoms could be personality changes. Herschel Walker explains his past struggles with multiple personality disorder here:

http://www.herschelwalker.net/content.asp?title=ABC%27s%20Nightline%20Interview%20with%20Bob%20Woodruff&menuid=Interviews&contentid=ABC%20Bob%20Woodruff&id=112

Now after reading that and looking at the possible symptoms do we really need to see what could happen?

Or is there a doctor in the house that could verify that there would be no danger in this?

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Martial Arts is one of those sports that I have been told helps people with personality disorders and ADD – it helps them to focus and have better control over their thoughts (concentration)

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know where I can find any information on that and does that include full contact Martial Arts were they could suffer concussions?

I just need some good information to tell me I’m overly worried about this. For some reason this just worries me.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Sep 22, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll see what I can find. I know several teachers in the school districts here in Illinois and they have all told me the same thing about martial arts being very helpful with these types of mental disorders.

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been looking already and I have found stuff similar to what you mention with Martial Arts and ADD.

However Herschel Walker suffered from multiple personality disorder which he claims even left him with memory loss among other disturbing accounts that he went through.

Part of what worries me is this quote from that link above:

The athlete who played 15 seasons of professional football in the NFL and USFL and pushed a bobsled for the 1992 U.S. Olympic team in Albertville, France; the family man who married his college sweetheart; the man who once danced with the Fort Worth Ballet; the business man

Walker says none of those guys were him. Not really. Those were his “alters,” he says — alternate personalities.

So will the real Herschel be the one fighting or just as he stated in that interview will it be an alter as apparently was the case in every other sport he participated in?

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Sep 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know if it has been confirmed that the Strikeforce card with Fedor and Brett is in fact taking place a the Sears Centre in Chicago?

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats what we know as of now, though nothing officially reported by Strikeforce. I believe MMAJunkie reported that all the paperwork has been submitted by SF to hold the event there.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just curious b/c I didn’t see it on the Sears Centre calendar yet

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post. Tell them to get Showtime and watch Froch vs Taylor! Showtime tends to have the more competitive fights, for some reason.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick note MMASupremacy....

Showtime has a smaller budget(half of HBO budget; around 25 million for just paying the fighters) and doesn’t waste money showcasing fighters… except for their unhealthy love for Antonio Tarver.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I completely agree. I just find it funny that Showtime actually has the most exciting fights most of the time out of the two channels. The Super Six tournament is going to be great.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah… sad fact is that as much as we love our sports they are niche sports…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Herschel Walker is a non-draw. The guy isn’t a name in football anymore and hasn’t been in some time. This idea that because a guy played a sport prior to MMA that it automatically means that people will care is getting pretty far out of hand when we pretend a guy that has been out of the NFL for 12 years somehow is going to draw crazy media attention to a show.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very true, though he was #3 searched topic in Google Trends yesterday.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

people will "care" like they did with other freak show fights.

….also, I googled him too. haha. i was like, who the hell is this old guy and why does he want to fight?

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 22, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Google Trends really isn't that big of a deal when it comes to buyrate...

I know someone will dispute that…but it’s true

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 23, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn’t that just mean that prior to yesterday he was hardly searched for at all and he made the biggest jump up in searches? Not that he was actually the #3 most searched for thing?

For instance, if Sir Mix-a-lot was all over the news for being caught raping a goat, and people were like “who is this goat raping ex-rapper”and proceeded to google him to find out more about him, his google trend would be high because he went for being irrelevant to semi-relevant in a short period of time.

Whereas someone like Megan Fox who is consistently searched for wouldn’t be on the google trends list because she has maintained a certain level of popularity over an extended amount of time as opposed to popping out of nowhere and

 If I am right about google trends than that would essentially reaffirm what Brent is saying, no one cared about walker, read his name in a press release and said “hmmm let me look up this guy because I don’t really know who he is” which wouldn’t mean he was a popular draw at all, it in fact would mean the opposite, correct?

by Buddha Brown on Sep 23, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I’d be willing to bet that the majority of that search traffic was MMA fans who were like “who the hell is this guy?”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

Most of it was football fans and people from Georgia and the south, I am sure. Walker is a walking GOD in the south.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's from atlanta?

damn so all the top googletrends come from atlanta??

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 23, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Went to school at University of Georgia and set like 20 something rushing records while he was there.

Walker is a walking GOD in the south.

Yeah. Pretty much.

by Tonley on Sep 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For context...

if the Floyd card breaks 1 million it would be the first non-Oscar boxing card since Tyson/Lewis to break that mark. So…it sounds like the boxing card was a big success. If the UFC breaks 400k I would call that a big success as well. As I said, it wasn’t nearly the head-to-head competition people were making it out to be. It is probably a case where both shows were a success.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it will fall below 1 million, but still very good for a PBF vs JMM boxing fight.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 22, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a success when it has the star power that the card does.

Because you have in your head that anything less than beating boxing is a failure doesn’t make it true. There was no way it was going to do more than boxing. 400k is good for Franklin vs an unknown.

by Phildo on Sep 22, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me...

they didn’t think this show was going to break 500. and anything over 350 was going to be fine

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it did...

I dunno. I’m all messed up. Poker tournament going when I wrote that.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I believe it did around 800K-900K buys, though, someone should double check that.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but the 400-600k got to see a wicked card

The boxing folks got to see Marquez get wiped out by a superior fighter.

May the Forsett be with you.

by SSreporters on Sep 22, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

103 had some of the coolest finishes i’ve seen in a while.

Supporting all Las Vegas MMA. Xtreme Couture FTMFW.

'09 is the year of the FW's.

by ElliotMatheny on Sep 23, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn’t like the Michael Katsidis-Vincente Escobedo fight?

by nottheface on Sep 23, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Katsidis is always in wars

But other than Chris John nearly choking a win away again it wasn’t the mega great card I expected it to be.

May the Forsett be with you.

by SSreporters on Sep 23, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John lacks KO power… I think that is why he took so long to come to the states. He might have been exposed by more fighters like Morales,Barerra, Pacman if he moved up in weight for more $$$.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that MMAJunkie did not provide a source for the ratings, I checked Spike TV Press room and there is nothing posted about the UFC 103 prelims ratings, same on UFC.com – nothing posted about the ratings. Where did they get their information?

Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson

by lovingmma25 on Sep 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Iole Is Saying 1.6 Million Possible For PBF vs JMM

WOW!

No. It’s Mayweather. I’ve heard from some good sources since last Tweet that it may even be as high as 1.6 million

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by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 3:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely true. May go as high as 1.5 or 1.6

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does that turn you on?

May the Forsett be with you.

by SSreporters on Sep 23, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would shock the world as we know it.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure if Mayweather is totally responsible for the PPV buys…. I mean DeLaHoya/Trinidad fight did I think 1.9 Million back in the day. The Hispanic market is sometimes forgotten. If there is a mega fight between an A list fighter and a A list Hispanic fighter… you will get some good numbers.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reality is, the UFC is bigger than boxing and the WWE combined.

Sorry Dana, youre not there yet

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ufc 1.00 wwe 3.35

by ryanwk628 on Sep 23, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Walker is an articulate man who has a great passion for MMA.

Anybody else tired of hearing this about black athletes? I don’t care if he’s articulate. Can he kick MY ass?

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t get it. what’s being black have to do with this?

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Hey, I know he’s black…but don’t let that fool you. He can speak really well!”

by Tonley on Sep 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s a common stereotype that black americans do not speak properly

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by lovingmma25 on Sep 23, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but was that the intention of the guy? can’t people say that exact same statement about a white fighter?

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 23, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but they never do. That’s the problem. They need to stop treating people differently.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 23, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh okay.

sorry, i don’t know much of the little details of those stuff.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 23, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Didn't Take It Like That...

Iole was just playing up the fact that he would be a good ambassador and is not just a dumb jock. It didn’t have anything to do with color.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See War Machine or Mayhem Miller for the complete opposite.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would happen if the Cage was Black instead?

lol.

In all seriousness, Dream 12 looks to be off-the-charts good.

by BNTHIS on Sep 23, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better visibility from a black cage than a white one.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 23, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New observer contradicts these numbers

by Michael Rome on Sep 23, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised...

They are from Iole…LOL.

I was assuming 600-800K, but most places are saying close to 1 million for the boxing PPV.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this more or less says that MMA and boxing don’t steal fans from each other.

It was funny hearing White talk about who was Marquez…. well apparently it is the Hispanic market that you marginalize.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Bantam weights aren’t that much smaller than welterweight boxers right? If we get that WEC merger, imagine the buys a super fight between say Miguel Torres and Urijah Faber would bring in this time next year or on Cinco De Mayo?

by black dragon on Sep 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Posted A Bunch More News In Here:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/23/1052359/quick-tidbits-1-thales-leites-is

Sylvia was supposed to fight at DREAM.12, but pulled out due to a hand injury etc.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strikeforce confirms Sears Centre in Chicago for Fedor vs Rogers CBS show.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 23, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if UFC 103 had a title fight, the PPV numbers would be different?

I still believe in Ryan Garko...........

by 49er16 on Sep 23, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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