Butterbean by neck crank (vs. Tom Howard) from this weekend in Laredo, TX.
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That looked like Butterbean
via combination of rape & smothering to me.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 21, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That looked.Fake to me. the guy was flailing like a fish when he fell down i mean im not saying it was but it did kinda look like a WWEish type flop lol
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by pitbull187 on Sep 21, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you were hit by a fist, backed behind over hundreds of pouds of man flesh, you would act silly like that aswell.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Im sure as hell I would be feelin silly after a back fist of that mass behind it landing right on my chin. Really though I swear when I first saw this I thought to myself WTF? What was that fish flail on the way to the ground? lol Funny stuff to see Butterbean win by Sub.
It would not be the first time Butterbean was involved on the winning side of a work. I disagree that the sylvia fight loked worked, but you are not the first person I have heard say that.
"I disagree that the sylvia fight loked worked"
Really? I dont think that a lot of fights are fixed, but that Sylvia-Mercer fight definitely fit the mold of what I think a fix would look like. Who knows, but my suspicions of a fixed fight have not been raised that much before seeing that fight.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I think he was talking about the most recent sylvia fight. Not the Mercer fight. And what is to gain from working a sylvia-mercer fight? They are not going to make any coin from a mercer win.
Has Sylvia had a fight since the Mercer fight?
Sometimes fights are fixed just because of the name. Like you dont seriously think those two took that fight to really see who could win do you?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
not sure exactly what you are trying to say, but i do not think the sylvia/mercer fight was fixed. unless you’ve got real evidence of some kind, this kind of accusation isn’t a good one to throw around.
Take it easy corky.
I am not making an accusation. I am voicing my opinion. If you think that fight was legit & set up to truthfully see who would win, then more power to ya. I dont.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
“calmer than you are”
when you voice an opinion like this, without any basis or evidence, you are insulting professional athletes.
Maybe you should look up the definition
of “opinion” before you whine about someone elses thoughts. And I am not the one going “wheres your evidence”? You cant even voice your thoughts without someone whining prove it to me!! lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I love when people hide behind the guise of “But it’s just my opinion” to say inflammatory things.
Good times.
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
Who is trying to inflame anything?
That is what I thought when I watched the fight. Just because an opinion is not popular doesnt mean you shouldnt voice it.
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Fixing fights isn't an inflammatory concept?
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
I guess for someone who either
thinks no fight has ever been fixed or loves Sylvia or Mercer too much to acknowledge the possibility it is. I really didnt post it for a response man, just my thoughts. Which is what I thought this was about?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I’m not so naiive to think there’s never been a fix in, but greg said it:
unless you’ve got real evidence of some kind, this kind of accusation isn’t a good one to throw around.
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
Once again for the reading impaired-
I am not making an accusation. I am simply stating my opinion. I am not basing this on any facts or evidence. It is simply my opinion.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
And we have come full circle!
Also, the irony of your sig makes me feel dirty.
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
Then I have achieved my goal
of this entire thread! lol
Some people on here are just wound way too tight.
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As am I, lol.
But I seriously did not intend on getting people all riled up about a possible conspiracy theory. I couldnt give a shit less, just what I thought at the time & still do thinking back on it.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
here’s a good stress test on what kind of opinion you should post:
if you said it to ray mercer or tim sylvia’s face, and they would want to kick your ass for it, that’s a good indication that you should just shut up.
Good idea corky.
I am sure that you have never said anything on here before about someone that the particular fighter in question would not be mad at. Thats what I will do from now on, not say anything that may upset someone.
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First, sylvia fought friday night and beat Jason Riley. One of my freinds asked me the next day if I thought it was a fix to save tim’s career since he needed a win and his manager runs the promotion. I said it was more bad match making then a fix. I could expand more if you cared, but back to Mercer.
If they had paid Mercer to lay down for sylvia, then maybe you can think fix. But you have to remember that it was going to be a boxing match and the whole card was a clusterfuck. Then Tim comes in really fat and out of shape. Then get taken out in 10 seconds. Mercer gains nothing from this. Everyone knew that Mercer hits really fucking hard. Most people knew that if you rush sylvia that he is vulnerable (see fedor and randy fight him). Mercer was looking for a paid check based on his name, not to create a name by beating a guy like sylvia. There is no motive and more then enough evidence to say the fight was legit.
Something to remember, I love MMA and think its a more fun sport to watch then boxing, but at this point Boxers hit much harder then guys in MMA. Now that is an over simplification, but there is a reason for it. Boxing is a much more subtle sport so the techniques are more refined so boxers can derive more punching power because they spend more time working on doing just that. Also guys with a large amount of natural power go to boxing becasue there is more money there. Again, an over simpification, but one that I think holds water. In MMA you have so much you have to work on that the game is much less subtle and you can’t refine your techniques as much without neglecting an area of study.
by szucconi on Sep 21, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just think it was entertainment period
& they did not care who won but thought it may be more entertaining if Mercer won. The fight had nothing to do with either person gaining something for their careers anyway.
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It would have been more entertaining if it had lasted more then 10 seconds. I don’t find that entertaining at all. People do remember it though, so I guess there is that…
Not saying I understand it,
but then again I did not understand making the bout period so….
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It was going to be a boxing bout. It was going to be the debut of sylvia in Pro Boxing. They were going to box in a cage I don’t see how you can not understand how anyone thought the bout was entertaining and yet you suggest that is why it was fixed, so it could be entertaining. Was it a bout made in good faith, no. It was a bout that they though sylvia could win easily and it was a compelling main event for a tiny card. Mercer turned sylvia’s career onto its head. You are saing fix with zero evidence. AKA troll.
You need to chill man.
Someone on here brought that fight up & others were talking about how they thought the Butterbean fight was fixed, that is what I posted about. That is not trolling. And Mercer turned Sylvia’s career on it head? Really? Because it was on such a clear path to success right.
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He was talking about the Riley fight, and that has a much stonger case for work. And yeah, sylvia lost to Nog and Fedor before he fought Mercer. No shame in that. Then after the Mercer loss people are saying he is in a must win senario in the riley fight. Giving him and his management the motivation to fix the fight. I tore up your argument and I get that it was just your opinion, but you offer no reason other then speculation. You are the one who brought up the mercer fight and to me, you are trolling. Just my opinion man, so chill out.
I asked if he was talking about the Mercer fight.
Sylvia’s “boxing” career is what the Mercer fight was about, so dont pretend that fighting Mercer was somehow going to catapult him into boxing stardom & how Mercer killed that by beating him. It was BS match to begin with, just like the ending.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Fighting Mercer was not a catapult into big things, it was taking the Kimbo path. Fighting a guy with a name and zero chance of beating you. Mercer, however, is dangerous when you come into the fight completely out of shape.Was it productive matchmaking, no. Was is fixed in the way WWE is fixed (for entertainment), no.
I am not doubting Mercer being
dangerous at all. For me & in my opinion, the whole thing just made no sense from jump. It simply seemed like entertainment to me & it really didnt matter who won because no matter the outcome, neither guy was going any further in boxing.
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You really think Sylvia bombs the rest of his career to “entertain” a bunch of rednecks in Buttfuck, Alabama?
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The rest of his career, really?
I think Timmeh realizes there is not much left of his career & was willing to take the payday knowing that in the grand scheme of things it would not really change his prospects of fighting in the future.
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Do you really believe
that any organization that was going to take Sylvia changed their minds because, as you say, he was beat by Mercer who by all accounts is a very dangerous striker at 50 years old?
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Yes, I do think people would think twice before signing Tim. He is a laughing stock right now because of the Mercer loss and is rebuilding from the bottom. There is a lot he can do to reinvent himself and make a comeback, but that was a blow to his career. I don’t think you can kill the career of a “former UFC champ”, but you can lower his future paychecks by over 50%.
I just think
that if Sylvia had beaten Mercer it would not have done anything to further his career. Sylvia is what he is & what do you think he could do to ’reinvent himself
?
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Be in better shape. Basically in a nut shell, that is all. But a more supportive camp would do wonders. He is a big guy with a long reach. He is hard to fight. I think Keith Jardine could do wonders fro his standup.
Also, the mercer fight, had he won, would not have put him back on top, but it was a safe win.
I agree with you about
being in better shape, but he has never been one who seemed overly concerned with being in great shape. And as far as camps go, I thought he was a top dog at Miletich? I just think that Sylvia is a one trick pony who isnt that good at the one trick, which is why it really didnt matter
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and uh seriously…let’s say you agreed to throw a fight. would you agree to lose by massive brain damaging concussion?
Did you see that fight?
There was no “massive brain damaging concussion”. It was a swing & a miss.
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If it was a work, Tim is a dumbass because he took one helluva blow to the face for a payoff, and he basically fucked over his entire career.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 21, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
True,but
there were guys who fought Tyson & although it was not fixed, they took quick but violent beatings for a big payday. I just think that he would have had to realize what possibly losing to Mercer would do to his career if he cared about that & not just about money.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
How old am I?
Was there a purpose to that question?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Because I disagree with you
I am not old enough to post?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
you make immature comments. trying to figure out what type of person you are and whether I want to converse with you on future posts.
Immature comments because I thought
the Mercer/Sylvia fight was not real? Not that it matters or has any bearing on this conversation, but I am 33.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
For real man? Sylvia fought this weekend! 1st round knockout.
This is not Japan. Fights aren’t fixed…. also, just look at the fight. Sylvia was out cold… I doubt he would have agreed to getting KTFO in 9 seconds.
what ???
And whats that model To just let the other fighter crack you in the jaw as hard as he can to KO you cold ? I guess this is how it went down between Tim and Ray before the fight. Tim Sylvia to Ray alright man hears what we do to make it look real wink wink When we come out I will throw a inside leg kick then about 5 seconds later I will stick my jaw out and you hit with the hardest right hand you can alright Ray.
come on man Sylvia vs Mercer a fix please
If you wanna see real slippery you should look up KOTC Wet n Wild. I think it happened it 2000. My grandma bought me a dvd set of KOTC fights and that event was in the package. Man I couldnt believe what I was seeing. How that was legal is beyond me its not like mma is the same difficulty as playing football in the rain.
it was weird looking because of how he was covering his face on the ground, as if he was hurt. did he get hit in that exchange, or just slip and cover his face?
nonetheless, see my point above about how the mat (depending on the material) can get EXTREMELY slippery during outdoor events and basically unsafe for fighting.
So many things wrong here.
1. Butterbean outweighed him by about 160lbs.
2. Why the fuck are fighting on a slip-n-slide?
3. Tom Howard is is an ex-pro wrestler (that looked like a wrasslin’ “Fall”)
But at the same time Tom Howard is 0-6.
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
Maybe Tom Howard just resorts to wrasslin falls because it’s second nature. He involuntarily did it. LOL
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by Leland Roling on Sep 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they were works persay. But the Alexander & Sylvia fights were as close as you can get without breaking the law. Picking opponents that far below their levels is just this side of cheating.
I mean, did anyone think Danny Shearman, 11-13, had a chance?
Only the extreme Timmeh hate could have made people think that Riley was a serious opponent for him.
It’s just big old cans of tomato bisque. Nothing to concoct conspiracy theories about.
The butterbean thing… that was some funky punches, that’s for sure.
I mean, did anyone think Danny Shearman, 11-13, had a chance?
You mean Sherman Pendergarst
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 21, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
His jaw is made of [Insert Delicate Substance Here]
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
Who the fuck is Danny Shearman?
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by Leland Roling on Sep 21, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
BUTTERBEAN'S BACK BABY!
I call for Butterbean to be the next opponent for Fedor! And why does everyone think this fight was a fix? If you were hit by (even a grazing punch) by a 1000 pound man, you would flail your arms like that to!
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Not to mention
he was probably unable to breathe after Butterbean laid on him for several minutes.
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Butterbean + Jiu Jitsu = one of the world’s most dangerous HW’s!
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
someone has to post the “size does matter” hing.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Yeah, & now we will have to create
another weight class for Butterbean!
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the fall was
fantastic. And Howard almost effortlessly making his way back to his feet caught in what looked like a poor Guillotine or something, before the grunting body shots, genious!
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