UFC 103 Post Fight: Dana White, Efrain Escudero, Paul Daley, Josh Koscheck, Junior dos Santos, Rich Franklin and Vitor Belfort
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
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Dana White along with a few of the fighters talked about the UFC 103 bouts during the post-fight press conference. Here are a few of the more notable quotes:
Paul Daley made waves on his UFC debut, by knocking out a top ranked welterweight contender in Martin Kampmann. He talked about his first stint in the Octagon:
I'm happy to be fighting for the UFC. I'm a fighter's fighter, I'll fight whoever. I proved that by stepping in for Kampmann. I don't care who stands in front of me. I'm just gonna be the same fighter, and go out there to finish people.
I just wanted to make a statement on my UFC debut... Obviously getting a chance to fight with Martin Kampann was quite big. Me and my team was always confident that i was gonna do business and i did.
Efrain Escudero, who had the first knockout victory of his career against Cole Miller, talked about constantly trying to improve on his game:
A lot of people coming off the show, think I'm a lay and pray fighter. I wanted to shut them up. I'm training a lot. my boxing and jiu jitsu, even wrestling, trying to get to the top... i'm gonna get better all the time.
Josh Koscheck spoiled the UFC return of Frank Trigg when he stopped him in the first round of their bout. While he prefers fighting big names, he just wants to fight as soon as possible and against whoever they want to put against him:
I've always said, I'll fight anybody, any time, any place... I'll fight any of those guys. I want big fights, i want marquee fights for me. I think Matt Hughes would be a great fight. I think georges st. pierre would be an even better fight. But I'm gonna take it one at a time, and whoever they put in front of me next.
I already told joe silva that if anyone backs out, I'll fight next month in LA. I'll fight there, and I'll fight again in November as well if anyone backs out. I'm just looking forward to the opportunity to fight.
In the co-main event of the night, Junior dos Santos defeated one of MMA's legends in Mirko Cro Cop. He credits his all-star camp for the victory:
I felt that i was much faster than him, but my training camp was really good. i trained a lot of wrestling with Mark Munoz, and trained a lot on the ground with Rodrigo and Rogerio, and also a lot with Anderson Silva. I was prepared to keep the fight standing up, and I used my wrestling to do that.
Rich Franklin, who ended up losing to Vitor Belfort in the night's main event, talked about dealing with southpaws:
He's Brazilian and he's southpaw, and i tend to have trouble with those guys for some reason. [Laughs]
I tried negating it, by hiring a good southpaw in Robbie Lawler to work with. We knew what his capabilities are with his hands, and stuff like that... Quite honestly, i'm not sure what exactly caught me, but i'm remembering bits and pieces.
Vitor Belfort said that the change of his approach to fighting comes from incorporating Karate with his boxing:
My new weapon i am adding to my game is Karate. It's just something i want to use right now. This fight i was taking my time, feeling the fight... I'm trained so hard for this fight. I'm away from my family for three months. I have three babies. I'm sacrificing, and i'm getting the reward...
Here are a few more notes from the press conference:
- Dana White, when asked about a potential match between Paul Daley and Mike Swick: "Could be. This kid put himself on the map tonight. I love guys that step on short notice because it’s an opportunity. He took the opportunity and made it happen."
- Tyson Griffin silenced a few critics by stopping Franca, but he thinks it would all just come back if he gets another decision.
- Dana White wants to set up Nate Marquardt vs Dan Henderson, and Vitor Belfort vs. Anderson Silva: "Honestly, the way that the last two fights happened with Marquardt and Henderson against Anderson Silva, I think it would be better to see them fight each other, the winner of that would be the next contender. I think Vitor is ready. I think Vitor is ready to fight Anderson Silva."
- Dana White denied the rumors of a guaranteed light heavyweight title shot for Randy Couture if he beats Brandon Vera on UFC 105: "No that's not true. I actually tried to make a different fight for couture, but It didn't work out, and we ended up making [Vera vs Couture]. He said he wanted to get in and fight as soon as possible."
- Dana White said that Rampage Jackson could be out until after February 2010 because of the movie he's shooting.
- Dana White made Mirko Cro Cop go to the hospital even if the Croatian fighter didn't want to go: "I made him go to the hospital, because if he’s going to fly 20 hours on a plane, I want to know that he’s okay."
- Steve Lopez is okay. His elbow popped out after a punch, and it popped right back in shortly after. He didn't have to go to the hospital.
- Dana White said that Georges St. Pierre's targetted return could be on February 2010
-Photos from Sherdog
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanna feel important too. I want my name changed :)
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by poundnground on Sep 20, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally
I like foundhound. Make it happen BE
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by poundnground on Sep 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Swick should fight Daley before he even get to fight a contender.
"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy
by BlueberryMuffin on Sep 20, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions
Rich Franklin made a mistake by using Robbie as his training partner (not that I think he is bad). He needed to train withb a karate master instead.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
Dos Santos said:
I was prepared to keep the fight standing up, and I used my wrestling to do that.
lolwut? When did he have to use his wrestling to prevent being taken down?
Paul Daley made waves on his UFC debut, by knocking out a top ranked welterweight contender in Martin Kampmann.
bleh… early stoppage.
Koschek said:
I already told joe silva that if anyone backs out, I’ll fight next month in LA. I’ll fight there, and I’ll fight again in November as well if anyone backs out. I’m just looking forward to the opportunity to fight.
I’m not a fan of Koschek, but I love the guys work ethic. He is a real fighter, and many others can take a lesson from him.
Dana Said:
“Honestly, the way that the last two fights happened with Marquardt and Henderson against Anderson Silva, I think it would be better to see them fight each other, the winner of that would be the next contender. I think Vitor is ready. I think Vitor is ready to fight Anderson Silva.”
With Hendo in witness protection, might as well make Nate vs Vitor for #1 contender.
Dana White denied the rumors of a guaranteed light heavyweight title shot for Randy Couture if he beats Brandon Vera on UFC 105: “No that’s not true. I actually tried to make a different fight for couture, but It didn’t work out, and we ended up making [Vera vs Couture]. He said he wanted to get in and fight as soon as possible.”
And that fight starts to make even less sense for Randy than it did, which was almost none to begin with…
bleh… early stoppage
It may have been a few seconds early but is there any doubt Daley would have just kept hitting him and he would have gone down after a couple more shots? Because in my mind there isn’t.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Most fights don’t take place in your mind, tho, and are allowed to end on their own. I don’t support pre-emptive stoppages.
By the way, there was no doubt that Scott Smith was done for and Pete Sell was just going to just keep hitting him. Luckily, the referee decided to let it end naturally rather than playing fortune teller.
by mythbuster on Sep 20, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
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"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Sep 20, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m confused as to why this is green because it is completely different from the Daley-Kampmann fight- Daley was actually attacking Kampmann until the ref stopped the fight, Sell threw one punch then stood there. I don’t know how you figure “Pete Sell was just going to just keep hitting him” when he had every opportunity to but didn’t.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
You don’t understand the correlation?
Guy A is hurt, Guy A looks finished. Guy A knocks out Guy B.
Guy A is hurt. Guy A looks finished. Refereee stops the fight before Guy A is actually finished, thereby preventing any possible miracle comeback.
I’m personally not a believer in psychics, tarot cards, crystal balls, and the like. Therefore, I would much rather see a fight go to it’s conclusion rather than have the referee decide that, well, he most likely was going to lose anyway so I’ll save myself some time and just stop it here.
You wrote:
is there any doubt Daley would have just kept hitting him and he would have gone down after a couple more shots?
Well yes, there is doubt because the referee stopped it before it went there. He most likely would have finished him. But the possibility exists that Kampmann would have gotten a wild haymaker in (ala Scott Smith above), or fell down and grabbed a leg, and eventually subbed Daley, etc. There are many possibilities.
Probable? No. But I’d rather the fighters decide the future than the referee.
You don’t understand the correlation?
No, because in one fight the guy was still attacking and that’s why the ref stopped it, in the other fight the guy was NOT attacking, he threw one punch then stood in place allowing his opponent to recover. Was Daley allowing Kampmann any time to recover? No, he was throwing punches all the way to the end. Two entirely different situations.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Brent sums it up better than I
I’ve said it several times… this is one of the places where boxing has the edge in how these are handled. In boxing Kampmann would have been given a standing 8 count, we don’t have that in MMA (nor should we) so the ref is supposed to look at the fighter’s eyes and body. Kampmann’s eyes were rolling back in his head and his legs kept buckling. You don’t have to wait for a fighter to be knocked down or out for it to be a good stoppage.
That’s actually a perfectly correct stoppage.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 20, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ooh fun! GeeDub sums it up better than I
Thats my beef with the decision. It was very possible that Kampman could have recovered. He has a great chin and awesome recovery. On top of that, his ground game is really good and I dont know much about Daleys ground game. Even if we assume that Daley would have knocked Kampmann down, he would then still have to be able to finish once there which is often easier said that done. That stoppage was terrible.
Chuck Liddell might have recovered after Rashad Evans knocked him the fuck out too, maybe we should have given him a few minutes. If Kampman’s chin is so great why was he standing there unable to do anything but half-heartedly raise his hands as Daley was hitting him with punch after punch?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
hahaha
You’re seriously trying to compare Chuck Liddel lying motionless, near death, KTFO on the ground, to a guy who was standing up and defending himself?
hahahehheeee hooooo haaa thanks bro, I needed that laugh.
If he was defending himself as well as you seem to think he was he probably wouldn’t have gotten punched in the face so many times. Or was his game plan to block Daley’s fists with his jaw? If so he did a helluva job.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
And clearly it was hurting the hell out of him. You could tell by the way he was not falling down, or getting flash KO, or arms drooping, or anything else.
* and the battle of silly sarcasm continues! *
It just as apt a comparison as smith/sell to daley/kampman…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
One bodyshot followed by letting the guy back off before charging in as opposed to continuous punches to the face of an unresisting opponent at close range. They are not even close and you know it, yet you continue to use absurd examples and pictures to troll.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I already flagged the comments you have made that are trolling. You generally only play the victim when Lesnar is being discussed. The standard trolling techniques of pictures and incendiary statements you use seem to crop up no matter the subject however.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
meh, no use trying to explain to you that a fighter isn’t finished until he’s finished. Even a direct example of how a fighter who seems finished can make a comeback, and you still don’t understand.
By the way, when you get a chance, you should actually watch the Pete Sell vs Scott Smith match. Saying that Sell allowed Smith to recover = lol.
You’re right, we should wait until every fighter is lying on the floor completely limp until a fight gets stopped, it might not be safe but at least we won’t have people complaining after every TKO.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
lol took you one reply more to get to the sarcasm than I expected. Kudos for your restraint.
Ok my turn:
Nooo you are right, I am wrong. They should stop all fights while a fighter is standing up, hands up and intelligently defending himself, because he might eventually get hurt.
LMAO, if that is your definition of intelligently defending then thank god that you aren’t a ref because half the fighters in the UFC would be dead by now.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
LMAO, yeah, noobs like me, Kid Nate, Josh Gross, Jordon Breen and Randy Couture.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/2/23/768622/early-stoppages-in-mma-has
“ZOMG he got stunned, throw in the towel!”
Also
since we’re doing the brownie point thing, Kid Nate said:
I think Breen is on the right track here. The last thing we want as MMA fans is for the referees to stop focusing on fighter safety, but we also want definitive conclusions to the fights, not quick and unsatisfying stoppages following flash KO’s.
Why are you using articles and quotes that are not about the fight we’re discussing? Just because YOU think it was an early stoppage does not mean Kid Nate or Jordan Breen think it was.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
* sigh *
I can’t believe I have to explain to you what you’ve just been discussing for the past 15 minutes or so.
I’m not gonna go in depth because I know it won’t matter, but I’ll give hints: Intelligent defense, early stoppages.
But meh, I see now you have no desire to discuss, but are arguing to win (or rather, not lose). So, cest la vie.
I know what the point of discussion has been, but don’t put words in Jordan or Nate’s mouth when you have no idea what they thought of THE SPECIFIC FIGHT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
How about I write a fanpost later tonight with a poll asking if it was an early stoppage? I will include no commentary of what I thought about the fight, I’ll simply write about our discussion and post a poll, sound fair? I’d do it now but I’m heading out.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
As much as I don’t like standing TKOs (a fallen fighter is an obvious sign of being finished – there is no controversy), there is no way that was early.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 20, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see Kampmann recovering at all from this?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 20, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not what I asked.
I asked you to make a prediction.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 20, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What does my prediction have to do with it?
You are making my point – let the fight go to a definite conclusion rather than people needing to predict how it would have ended.
So then we shouldn’t have decisions? Those aren’t definitive ends, but arbitrary time limits.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 20, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice side step.
The time limits are set in advance. The referee doesn’t suddenly decide to stop a fight and have it go to a decision.
Anyway back to what we’re talking about, let the fight go to a definite conclusion rather than having people predict the outcome.
While it would have been more definitive had Yves let Kampmann drop, he wasn’t going to recover. Daley had him pinned and kept landing power shots. Each punch landed with an audible thwack. Fighters’ safety takes precedence over fan bloodlust.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 20, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
While it would have been more definitive had Yves let Kampmann drop, he probably wasn’t going to recover.
Fixed.
Each punch landed with an audible thwack.
Punches tend to do that. I’ve yet to hear a punch land with an audible meow.
Fighters’ safety takes precedence over fan bloodlust.
* insert eyeroll * ya got me. I’m all about the bloodlust. Let me see if I can do that:
A fighter trains hard for a fight, and deserves the benefit of the doubt from the referees and the fans, even if they don’t like Danish people.
Yes, probably. Damn inductive reasoning.
Each punch was a power shot, & they sounded like one. If you don’t think one can land with a meow, punch a kitten.
Yes, it would have been more definitive a stoppage had Kampmann fell over. It would have been nice for everyone else to see it was a legit call. I do wish Daley had a true KO for his UFC debut, but Kampmann was just about out on his feet. I can’t object to the call.
Do you think Franca/Fisher was early, too?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 20, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, probably. Damn inductive reasoning.
They should just declare the winner at the beginning of the fight. “Touch gloves and GSP wins.” I mean, he’s probably going to win anyway, so why risk them getting hurt?
Damn inductive reasoning!
Write them a letter, tell them this. You’ll open a whole new era of MMA!
I mean that because it’s inductive I can’t prove he wouldn’t have recovered, though I also have to reason to think he would have. The GSP example is silly – I guess we shouldn’t have let Serra have the title fight since he can’t beat GSP!
NB: There’s a difference between a fight not having started and one where a guy is teeing off at will on another guy’s head like a speedbag.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean that because it’s inductive I can’t prove he wouldn’t have recovered, though I also have to reason to think he would have. The GSP example is silly – I guess we shouldn’t have let Serra have the title fight since he can’t beat GSP!
Sit up straighter, it went right over your head :(
Then explain my own words to me please.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch the kitten comments there. :-P
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Sep 21, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Decisions are not predictions, but claims about who did better during the fight proper.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Sep 21, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, because Daley didn’t give him the chance, unlike your boy Sell did.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Smith’s eyes weren’t rolling back in their sockets.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 20, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Body shots rarely have that effect.
Depends on how much you’ve had to drink prior to that.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
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Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
oh come on, Sell delivered one body blow in an otherwise even fight. Kampman was taking several unanswered blows to the face , was obviously wobbled and had a dead end stare. I know we’d all like to see finality but these refs are paid to make judgement call. At that moment in time Yves thought he wasn’t defending himselve. I think it falls within an acceptable margin but was certainly on the early side
was certainly on the early side
I agree.
oh come on, Sell delivered one body blow in an otherwise even fight. Kampman was taking several unanswered blows to the face , was obviously wobbled and had a dead end stare.
I wasn’t comparing the fights themselves, but rather how a fighter who appears to be a goner can still make a comeback (wild swing lands, grabs onto opponent while head clears – gets submission, etc). I used Sell vs Smith because it’s a very good example of this. Smith looked like he was ready to crumble, but managed that one last swing – and won.
And keep in mind, I’m not saying that I believe Kampmann was going to make a comeback. I wouldn’t have bet my neighbors money on that – but I would rather see a fight go to a definite outcome rather than a speculated one (ie, “he most likely was going to lose anyway”). And again I agree with you, it was on the early side – which has been my point all along. :)
Rosholt/Leben was early, too...
Leben was going to make a comeba…
Oh yeah, that’s right…
Don't argue for the sake of arguing....
I was prepared to keep the fight standing up, and I used my wrestling to do that.
that was a bad translation by Soares, Santos said that he trained a lot of ground in case he was losing the stand up battle, but he felt he was winning the stand up and there was no need to take the fight to the ground.
really?
do you speak Portuguese? ..yeah i hear Soares fucks up a lot of the translations.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 21, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I do and he does get a lot of the translations wrong. I still wonder to this day why the UFC does not invest in a professional translator for foreign fighters. Pride used to do that, instead we have team members/managers (90% of the time) with bad english. Soares speaks good English though, however, I think he has a problem with the portuguese, I think he’s either non-Brazilian or Brazilian and lived most of his life in the US, because I can tell his portuguese is not as fluent as it should be…
yeah, they should hire professional translators already..
Especially a Brazilian one.. There’s lots of great fighters from there and it’s a shame if all their statements get misinterpreted every single time.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 21, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That's funny...
One of my good friends is Mexican, and he would host every major boxing event at his house growing up. HBO used to employ (maybe they still do?) this translator, I think Angel Torres was his name, and my friends’ parents would rip him apart every time he translated something.
“That’s not what he said. This guy knows nothing.”
Maybe you are right and they focus more on having good english and they don’t care so much about knowing the native tongue.
BOOSH
I could already hear the whining after the UFC translator makes a mistake about how the UFC is evil and won’t let the fighters speak their own mind. They say one thing and then the UFC hired translator spits out the company line.
Everyone makes mistakes, but I’d rather let the fighter pick who is speaking for him as opposed to the other way around.
JDS really impressed me last night.
I was hoping for a Coma inducing KO, but I’m content with knowing that he’s more than just a KO artist. He stayed composed the whole match. He threw some nice knees from in the clinch and proved he can take a shot. Now he just needs a little more cardio.
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
His composure really impressed me
Even when CC was visibly hurt, JDS stayed cool, kept his hands up, and approached at his own pace. He wasn’t hesitant, he wasn’t reckless, he was perfect.
good f'ing point!
I was too busy enjoying the fight to even really notice that he was showing veteran composure and consistancy as well as great cardio!
by cagefightonacid on Sep 20, 2009 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This was a very entertaining show. It was a KO buffet all night! lol I <3 UFC =) Next up on the Zuffa roadtrip map, San Antonio and WEC! War Cerrone!!! Heard Maywhatever/Marquez was a snoozer. HA!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
How’s Dana just gonna put Belfort next in line for contention while guys like Marquardt have been working there asses off for years
Because Marquardt has already had his ass handed to him by Silva?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 20, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Though I love Nate,….^this.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 20, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
understandable but that was how many years ago now? Since that fight Marquardt has been on an absolute terror I’m not saying a second fight would end any differently but Marquardt and Henderson have been consistently fighting world class opponents and making there cases for rematches and Vitor walks in and gets a title shot that’s some bull sh!t
Even though Nate has improved, Silva would light him up like he did to Forrest.
Vitor is the only guy at 185 who can go speed for speed with Anderson.
Keep firing Assholes!
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How do we know that, the guy has had 2 fights at 85 and when you think about it only one of them would be considered a top 10 fighter and he wasn’t even fighting him at 185
He still looked damn good, and he has a better stylistic chance of beating Silva than Nate.
Keep firing Assholes!
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okay but Dana’s whole “I use boxing as a blueprint of what not to do” would mean that guy’s who earn a title shot should get it and how does he stylistically have a better chance then someone who can get him to the ground and possibly end the fight there pretty much the only time Anderson has lost is by submission.
- Vitor/Silva is the fight the fans want to see, so he’ll make it happen. This is similar to Lesnar/Couture. The hardcore fans will scream all they want, but it won’t make a difference.
- Nate has a 0% chance of submitting Silva. Silva’s submission losses might as well of happened in the stone age for all they matter now.
Keep firing Assholes!
The Leafs are back!
Hardcore fans probably made up most of the audience last night and they’re probably the ones who made up most of the audience in Vitor’s last few fights and they’re the ones most likely to remember Vitor from back in the day. The only reason why anyone wants to see this fight is because he’s gonna stand with Anderson. Like it or not Silva still has a weakness on the ground so 0% chance is just wrong in the last two years two guys have gotten silva to the ground one of them mounted him and the other took a round from him in convincing fashion I would hardly call 2007 the stone age.
They've both lost to Silva already
And while Nate may have a credible argument, I don’t think Henderson’s last 3 fights make him more worth than Vitor. Hendo stuffed Palhares for 3 rounds, edged a decision over Franklin via illegal moves, and KOed Bisping. Vitor was brought in as a contender, and finished Rich Franklin in the 1st round, something we haven’t seen since the A Silva fights.
The only reason I can see holding off on a Vitor title shot, is that the fight took place at 195. Still, if I had my way, Vitor fights Silva, Nate and Dan fight each other.
Because it’s utterly pointless?
Silva is coming off two losses (to Rampage and Franklin). Vitor is on his way up, it makes no sense at all to force him to fight someone who is not only on a downslide, but that he also beat in seconds…
Wanderlei Silvas record in the UFC: 2-5. (1-4 in this century). What part of that record suggests that a rematch makes any sense?
by mythbuster on Sep 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Belfort vs. Hendo
makes the most sense. But we’ll likely get Belfort vs. Anderson because that’s where the money is.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Hendo will fight. He has already said his next fight will be in the UFC and he has no desire to fight anywhere else. He doesn’t feel he should have to fight Nate, but a fight with Belfort would likely interest him if he can’t have Anderson.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
We shall see. As I recall, he didn’t want to fight Nate because he was afraid he would lose, and then wouldn’t get the money title shot. I think he would probably be afraid of Vitor too.
LOL So Hendo wanted to get the money-shot? Diirrrty Dan.
"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy
by BlueberryMuffin on Sep 20, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we really know that Anderson/Belfort is a bigger money match than Anderson/Henderson II? Henderson has that whole season of TUF + the knockout at 100 going for him, whereas Vitor just now returned to the UFC after several years away on one of their lower-tier cards. Why are folks assuming that Vitor is the bigger draw?
Here’s my thing about money talk in the middle of all this I’m not a UFC accountant but I’m pretty sure they’re gonna make money with any show they put on, I don’t particularly care about what the UFC’s bottom line is. What I do care about is seeing guys who have been busting their ass and doing everything right to get into contention get screwed because a guy who has 2 fights at 85 comes along, I really just don’t see how you can mount a case for Vitor getting a title shot before Hendo or Marquardt.
Do we really know that Anderson/Belfort is a bigger money match than Anderson/Henderson II?
Yes, yes we do.
by fuzzy wuzzy on Sep 20, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
if rampage/rashad gets pushed back anymore, the ufc should give rashad another fight. if he loses, oh well, take it out on rampage. so much for the fight only being delayed for a few months, best case scenario. who knows what could happen in betwen now and the time rampage is “ready” to fight again. rampage has really put the ufc’s lhw division in a bad spot. i have a feeling that he comes off very bad on this seasons tuf(kinda like he did on his last time with forrest), and that could be a big reason why he pulled out of the biggest fight of his career(money and historic wise), and if what dana said is true, rampage might very well be under the influence of bad management (mark dion anyone?) i would love to see a rampage interview and hear his side to the story. how hard could it be to get someone up to vancouver and get a 5 minute interview?
I’d like to see Daley vs Koscheck next
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 20, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Daley vs Swick please.
"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy
by BlueberryMuffin on Sep 20, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are people still opposed to Henderson v Marquadt?
Seriously. I think Nate is down for this fight, and I think he takes it convincingly. Plus it would make a solid PPV headliner as a title eliminator. Belfort just finished two of the top 185 lbs fighters of all time with brutal first round KO’s. He is a huge threat to Anderson Silva. That’s why it is the fight everyone wants to see. Nate screwed up when he lost to Leites otherwise he would have already had his 2nd shot by now. Henderson eeking out a decision over Franklin looks far less impressive than Belfort destroying him. Use some common sense here. Henderson v Marquadt gets the winner of Belfort v Silva. For once I’m glad I’m not 100% sure the Spider will win his next match.
I dont want to hear Koscheck calling out Hughes.
What would be the point of that fight? A couple of years ago I would have loved to see it, but not now.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
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