UFC 103 Results and Analysis: Is There Anyone Left to Fight Georges St. Pierre?
When they first announced Mike Swick vs. Martin Kampmann as a number one contender's match at 170, I scoffed, knowing that neither was remotely in the class of the champion. When Swick was replaced with Daley, I immediately suspected that Daley had more than a puncher's chance, and could ruin the UFC's well-laid plans to fool people into thinking Swick or Kampmann was a legitimate contender.
Here is where we stand. Georges St. Pierre is the champion, and he's aiming for a return early in 2010. Martin Kampmann is out as a contender, Thiago Alves just lost, Jon Fitch lost much worse, Matt Hughes has lost twice, Mike Swick is a pretty unimpressive 9-1 in the UFC, and Josh Koscheck just came off a loss with a gimme win over Frank Trigg.
There's a young class of welterweights that could eventually be contenders if they shore up holes in their game. This class includes Anthony Johnson, Paul Daley, Dustin Hazelett, and Jake Shields. Shields has ensured that he won't fight in the UFC anytime soon by signing a title fight with Strikeforce. If he wins he's locked in a championship clause, if he loses the fight with GSP loses its appeal.
I don't really know what the answer is. I've long advocated for St. Pierre to try his hand at middleweight, though it's clear that there are a number of people opposed to him moving up in weight. He could potentially try his hand against Michael Bisping or Wanderlei Silva while the contenders at 170 sort themselves out, like Anderson did against Forrest Griffin. I'm not opposed to rematches for Fitch and Alves, but they have to win a few in impressive fashion to earn those rematches.
Internally, I am sure they are praying for Almeida to beat Jon Fitch in November. I think it's pretty unlikely, but it could happen. If it does they will have a new contender, but how long can they play this game of desperately searching for contenders before fans stop buying it?
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by baldspot23 on Sep 20, 2009 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Kid Nate on Sep 20, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana needs to keep his word and have these AKA teamates fight eachother to see who the real #1 contender is. In the meantime, GSP needs to take a fight at 185 to get use to figting at a different weight class if he continues to dominate. I still think Kos will give GSP a run for his money next time around.
by steveoc24 on Sep 20, 2009 2:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree.
I think part of the problem in this division that there are three (3) contenders in the same weighclass “werenotfightingeachother”. That makes it hard to produce a legitimate contender.
And if you ask me, I think it`s pretty tasteless how first Swick and now Koscheck goes "Give me Hughes!! (Cause I can beat him and that would make me a contender!)
So, If they won`t fight eachother and the champ is probably the most all-round fighter in MMA, make them fight semi-contenders on THEIR terms. Make Swick wrestle-only with withMatt Hughes, Fitch can stand-and-bang with Paul Daley, while Koscheck can do a grapple-match with Ricardo Almeida.
Cause GSP would out-wrestle Swick, outstrike Fitch and outwrestle/grapple Koscheck.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Sep 20, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s THREE divisions with little or no legit contenders. Wouldn’t want to be in Joe Silva’s shoes.
by lhasafi on Sep 20, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d LOVE to be in Joe Silva’s shoes right now. Tons of exciting up-and-coming guys, so many fun match-ups to be made… we’ll probably go through a brief period where title challengers seem lackluster, but, believe it or not, we’ll survive it.
I think a Jon Fitch rematch is the thing to angle for right now if Swick doesn’t pan out.
by JRN on Sep 20, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a horrible beating. GSP would just keep it standing and pick him apart.
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by AJB on Sep 20, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by thetakeover on Sep 20, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swick will be avail very soon to fight semtex , gsp , or any other contender. He’s the only one who has a chance now anyway.
by naturalist on Sep 20, 2009 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
swick needs another win before you can legitimatley even advertise him in a title fight. his 9-1 ufc record is solid, but he needs to beat somebody meaningful at WW before he fights for the belt.
by dropkick101 on Sep 20, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed..
No way Swick should get a title shot without defeating Alves, Kos, Fitch, Hughes or even Serra.
by steveoc24 on Sep 20, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Swick should first fight Semtex… Without going to the ground.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Sep 20, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have Swick vs Anthony Johnson be the new #1 contender fight. It’s a stretch, but so is any other scenario.
by Razzel on Sep 20, 2009 3:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce does the champion clause as well?
I didnt know that.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 20, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that it allows their champions to fight for other organizations except for the UFC. Strikeforce pretty much has good relations with DREAM and other MMA organizations, so I’d assume that they allow their fighters and champions to fight on their cards.
by chrisbboy82 on Sep 20, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they just started a championship clause after their deal with Showtime. They didn’t have one before. They are friendly with other promotions, but specifically only DREAM has a deal with them. They have let Sengoku and Affliction use their fighters as well, though.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 20, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shields and Diaz are the only interesting fights
And they’re in SF. Swick is meh and would get wrecked. Please GSP move up now. There is nothing left. It’s a waste of his prime
by gunranger on Sep 20, 2009 3:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shields is somewhat interesting, Diaz is not. Diaz isn’t even top 5 at WW.
by Razzel on Sep 20, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz would make him fight. Nick would beat Alves and Kos. Fithc would be tough but he force him to defend sub after sub like Diego did to him but even more so since he’s bigger and better on the ground.
And Kampmann was considered top5 going into this fight and we saw how that turned out.
by gunranger on Sep 20, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kampmann top 5?
Where did you read that? That simply is not true.
Diaz is improved but saying he would beat Alves and Koscheck I think maybe stretching it.
He lost to Parisyan, Sanchez, Riggs, and Sherk and well that was 4-5 years ago beating Thomas Denny, Frank Shamrock, and Scott Smith is not the same as Koscheck, Alves, and GSP.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 20, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kos is so overrated. Who’s his best win recently? Just Zenko. He would get outstruck since all he does is go for that right. I don’t get why people still think he’s elite.
ANd yeah Nick lost those fights but just watch them. Diaz put most of them on defense with his ground game and most felt he won them.
And Kampmann was ranked top5 on Sherdog. Honestly the entire WW division looks weak now.
by gunranger on Sep 20, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Kos is overated so is Nick Diaz
I mean look at Diaz’s record.
Is a Frank Shamrock victory better than a Frank Trigg victory?
Does a win over Scott Smith mean more than a win over Chris Lytle or Dustin Hazelett?
Kampmann maybe was top 5 or top 6 in rankings but he didnt deserve to be there. He had 2 fights at WW before Daley and one was a very close split decision over Condit.
The problem with Nick Diaz is he is not fighting that great of competetion right now and so its hard to tell where he stands. Now Smith and Shamrock are not cans but at the same time they are not top 10.
I understand where your coming from with Koscheck being overated.
But to sit here and go Diaz would beat Alves based on what? Sure Karo, Matt, and Josh doesnt look too impressive now but like I said Thomas Denny, Shamrock, and Scott Smith are not guys that are gonna tell you how far Diaz has progressed.
If Diaz faces Hayato Sakurai or Jay Hieron and wins then we can start talking about him being a good test for GSP until then talk is way too premature.
by bigdmmafan on Sep 20, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings
Top 6 overall but top 5 in the UFC.
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by TearsofaClown on Sep 20, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense but having Hughes 4th is a joke. He’s done and has one win in 2 years.
by gunranger on Sep 20, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. He puts the stiff in old-and-stiff. Oh yeah. He`s old too.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Sep 20, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His position isn’t surprising when you take into account his only recent losses have been to GSP and Alves.
by Hardcase on Sep 20, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Hardcase said, when your only losses come against a overweight Alves and GSP in the last 3 years it does not hurt you to much. 1 more loss should send him packing out of the top 5 or top 10.
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by TearsofaClown on Sep 20, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you move ahead of him?
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by ufc4 on Sep 20, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kos and Swick would be the firsts ones in my mind to move ahead of him, perhaps Shields as well.
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by TearsofaClown on Sep 22, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Wouldn’t it be funny if Daley got the title shot?
Where are those that said Shields stand up and take downs were terrible against Daley?
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by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 20, 2009 4:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His stand up was terrible, another bad performance doesn’t change much about his. He was more persistent in takedowns than Kampmann, who has always believed the hype about his striking.
by Michael Rome on Sep 20, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’ve been saying it for a while, Kampmann’s striking is just not that good.
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by SamCupitt on Sep 20, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be just as funny as Sylvia and Aoki getting WAMMA title shots, or Hansen getting a Dream title shot.
by Phildo on Sep 20, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shields did not sign onto the champions clause…
by mmalogic on Sep 20, 2009 5:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If so… poor Strikeforce.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Sep 20, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the UFC will have some time to sort out contenders for GSP's belt
as he could be out until Feb..
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 20, 2009 6:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck is on his way back into the picture. He’s the only guy since GSP’s loss to Serra that hasn’t looked outclassed by Georges. Koscheck actually looked better than anyone else has against him. Koscheck presents the best challenge at this moment. Wouldn’t mind him getting the title shot, to be quite honest. Almeida is the other interesting choice, as is Fitch if he actually beats Almeida. Part of me was hoping Trigg would actually win tonight besides the fact that I’ve met him personally and liked him as a person. He’s had a rivalry, sort of, with Georges so it’d be something to build off of for the future.
I remember reading a while back that Akiyama cuts nearly no weight to make 185. Would anyone be opposed to him dropping to 170?
Either way, Anthony Johnson is the future king of 170. Towards the end of 2010 he’ll get his shot and keep it going from there. GSP is just holding the belt long enough for Johnson to get everything sorted out.
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by FlyByKnight on Sep 20, 2009 7:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But what can he do against GSP? Outwrestle him? Outstrike him? Or you know something I don’t about AJ. I think he is a great fighter, but is he better than alvez or fitch?
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by spectaa on Sep 20, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was unprepared for that fight. He expected a standup war, and GSP took him down. He said he didn’t train wrestling at all. If you remember, that was the first fight GSP became GSP 2.0, the boring take down artist.
by cyph on Sep 20, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kampmann really showed last night why it is a smart thing to keep a fight standing, right? It is ridiculous to accuse GSP of taking a fight to the ground. Look who he is fighting because fighters like Fitch or Alves are very hard to finish. The tougher the competition, the harder it is to finish the fight. Also, GSP always has an active top game and attempts to pass guard or GnP to victory. I would agree with you if GSP took a guy down, stayed in his guard, not even try to attempt to pass, and just held him down, but that is not the case.
by chrisbboy82 on Sep 20, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unprepared is a lame excuse. Not good enough is much more appropriate. GSP said he would out-wrestle Kos and out-strike him and out-grapple him, and he did.
Anyone who thinks GSP (any version) is boring knows nothing about MMA. But I guess based on your predictions of GSP’s fights, that’s no surprise.
by Hardcharger on Sep 20, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
that “boring take down artist” is an excellent description, but many people don’t seem to mind. He smartly and boringly (my word) follows the greg jackson gameplan to a T, and that is always a very conservative gameplan. My god, watching the evans machida match and any GSP match, watching Jardine, they are all highly conservative, disciplined, and smart (with the exception of the evans gameplan, and they have obviously realized they fucked up the strategy in that one)
GSP gameplans are all about top control, throwing very conservative strikes, attempting to pass, and he does those things well- and no one can stop his takedowns.
by chimps on Sep 20, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, Anthony Johnson is the future king of 170. Towards the end of 2010 he’ll get his shot and keep it going from there. GSP is just holding the belt long enough for Johnson to get everything sorted out.
LMAO, I don’t understand all the love for this guy, he is the most overrated fighter since Alistair Overeem, but at least Overeem has actually beaten someone in his career. Who has Johnson even fought? Nobody in the top 25 that’s for sure. To say some one-dimensional striker who is 3-2 in the UFC is going to beat GSP in one year is completely absurd.
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by ufc4 on Sep 20, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s posts like that one (FlyByKnite’s) that make me really hope Zenko spoils Johnson’s night.
by JRN on Sep 20, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So whats going to happen to Trigg? Is he going to get dropped by the UFC now?
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by Bandaka on Sep 20, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think Coleman
They’ll give him another fight against a lower-caliber opponent. Just like they gave Coleman to 2nd-tier Bonnar after he lost his UFC return fight top-tier Rua. Some middle of the pack WW is about to get the opportunity to make this veteran into a stepping stone.
by klown on Sep 20, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol’ed at “think Coleman”.
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by Bandaka on Sep 21, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if gsp is still champion and jake shields finishes strong with strikeforce and improves dramatically with his striking than we got ourselves a fight. and gsp probably last big test before vacating the title and going up to middleweight. but we just have to wait and see
by SHOWMAN 56 on Sep 20, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The next TUF might be for WW.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 20, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just an guess, since we need new faces so bad for this weight class.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 20, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New faces won’t really help.
How long will it take to get someone from TUF into a title shot in that division?
There are plenty of faces, they just need someone to establish themselves as a legit threat to GSP, TUF isn’t going to do that
by Phildo on Sep 20, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kos said after his loss to GSP that he expected to strike with not wrestle GSP?
So he didn’t train to wreslte but in promo’s leading up to the fight I remember him saying something like i’ve been wrestling since I was 6 years old theres no way he can outwrestle me.
by tronfunkin on Sep 21, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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