Demian Maia Has No Excuses After UFC 102
by Luke Thomas on Sep 2, 2009 2:26 PM EDT
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Pay attention, everyone. When you lose, this is how it's done:
Sherdog: How do you feel after your first loss?
Maia: I knew the first loss would come one day because I intend to fight for many years. As a matter of fact, though, it happened in a pretty unexpected manner because I was a little bit casual in the stand-up fight. I repeated two kicks. He got my timing down, and, the third time, he came with a straight punch and knocked me down. At the beginning of the fight, everyone is really strong, and I think the referee was right to stop the fight. I stood up well. I had no damage, and that’s most important. I pretty much believe that some things must happen in your life. For some reason, God prepares surprises for you, and that’s life. Maybe it was not the right time for me to challenge for the belt, but I’m very calm and will keep going.
Sherdog: Has UFC President Dana White said anything to you about your next opponent?
Maia: No. We just returned from the event, and it’s too soon to talk about the next fight. I’ve just fought. Let’s see what happens. This was my 12th fight. All my other fights ended by submission. Today, it happened, and I cannot say it was an accident because he had the right strategy and punched me at the right moment. But a punch to the chin, like the one I took at the beginning of the fight, is probably the only defeat you cannot make comments about. I cannot complain about anything. Now, I just have to stand up, train hard and be ready for the next challenge.
We don't yet know how far Maia can take this MMA endeavor, but attitudes like this are a decent indication he will reliably work to maximize his potential. And that's all one can reasonably ask.
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he beat me... straight up
pay that man his money
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
An excuse might of actually been better than running out of the arena like a scorned adolescent girl… but whatever floats your boat.
by bleve_ on Sep 2, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
classy Maia, I was rooting for Nate but found myself heartbroken seeing him go out like that… Maia rules
by cagefightonacid on Sep 2, 2009 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The more I hear the man talk the more I like him. Seems like a very decent, down to earth guy. I am so glad he didn’t say, “I just got caught.”
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Sep 2, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely,
I felt bad for Maia for the way he lost but give him a lot of respect for his “no excuses” attitude towards that defeat. He is still really green for MMA, so this was bound to happen sooner or later.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure. That’s the kind of loss you don’t want to see happen to good guys, but he admitted himself his striking was basic at best. He’s got a long way to go before he challenges anyone like Silva, particularly after that fight. I’ll be rooting for him next time around.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Sep 2, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that big a Maia fan, but...
He did just get caught. He did something stupid (Putting his hands down) and Nate got him. If the fight went deep and we actually saw what Maia’s striking was like then we can say his striking is average/basic. But how can people say Maia lost specifically because he has no stand-up? It was only 21 seconds and he barely threw anything.
by dv8shun on Sep 2, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just didn’t fight smart as you said, he needed to mix things up at least, but he did the same kick three times. But he’s really young, and still green in the game (at least at this level of competition). This loss will definitely give him more room to grow, he’ll be starting over from the bottom of the ladder, and by the time he reaches another title shot he’ll be much more mature.
I’m still a maia fan though.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When your striking is a 5
you’re bound to get blasted eventually. It will be interesting to see if this experience leaves him more tentative in future fights.
by rzor on Sep 2, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, no kidding, I still cant believe how casual he looked out there. Especially when he even admitted that his striking was only a 5 out of 10. Still, gotta love the guy. Im sure he learned his lesson, cant wait to see him go on another submission streak
by moopwontplay on Sep 2, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very respectable. good luck to him in the future.
by stray on Sep 2, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damian your my hero! always proving that bjj will forever be a force in mma!
come back stronger!
by radamez85 on Sep 2, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For some reason, God prepares surprises for you, and that’s life.
Ah, the old “God wanted me to lose” shtick.
by An0nymous on Sep 2, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Please dont be an idiot.
The man was saying that God gives all of us trials & tribulations.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you dnevil,
I was trying to think of an appropriate response and you beat me to it. Some people just have to be too cool for the room.
by Patrick79x on Sep 2, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this turns into a religious debate I will ban everyone.
by Luke Thomas on Sep 2, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love mass bannings!
The community improves with every one.
by DirtyML on Sep 2, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not debating anyone here
I should be in the clear :P
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No debate Luke.
Just responding to a comment.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note me.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell did I just type there? Huh… I wonder what I was saying….
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have been high….
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, I still love Demien, but I cant help but shake my head when guys suggest that “God” took a part in their sporting event
by moopwontplay on Sep 2, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
most people believe in a higher power and some people dont… The day I see a volcano produce a mountain bike on its own is the day I will believe this is all by chance.
A volcano has every imaginable ingredient to produce a mountain bike but so far after millions of years it hasn’t. Now compare the basic structure of a mountain bike to the complexities of a human being then you start wondering…
by mmalogic on Sep 2, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow, your name is logic? why not change it to mmafaith?
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s the 747 gambit, properly known as Hoyle’s fallacy; it’s a pretty bad one for supporting the existence of god(s).
Not going into any more detail, per Luke’s warning, but if you want more, I do have email…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Sep 2, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha. Perhaps “logic” is not the right moniker for you.
by JRN on Sep 2, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s his conviction, you can’t really blame a guy for his personal beliefs (unless he’s a Nazi). I like him more for it, but that’s just me.
by Captain7 on Sep 2, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most nazis were brainwashed as well, I can’t bring myself to believe that so many were so evil just by nature, surely they were indoctrinated.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not “evil”, nor is it brainwashing. It’s simply easier to follow orders.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Sep 2, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m talking more about the German population that supported the nazi philosophy (and I do understand not all germans knew about the genocide, but a big portion did), but everything they supported during that era is "evil" (for lack of a better word). Those who support the atrocious acts might just as well be the authors of such acts IMO. And I’m not trying to go too much into religion either (please luke, I’m only going to make one point and I’ll stop, promise…), but Hitler sold his policies to the people of germany through the cross, and it worked.
Ok, I’m done with the topic :P hope to be able to post tomorrow!
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually referring to Neo-Nazis
The guys who support the movement even now that it isn’t popular at all.
by Captain7 on Sep 2, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maia really needs to train some Muy Thai with his fellow Brazillians. Bump his striking up to around 7 or 8 and we got a credible threat to the MW throne.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Sep 2, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how training Muay Thai would do anything for him at this point. If hes in close he should be using his Judo to take the fight to the ground. Even if he paused time and trained for five years he would still get murdered trying to stand with Anderson Silva.
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by Day Man on Sep 2, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are making a mistake here. It’s not because maia lost once that he needs to change his entire style. He didn’t lost because his striking was 5, he lost because he threw the same kick 3 times, because he was being obvious, because marquardt had it all figured out even before stepping in the octagon.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 2, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If Maia's striking was more
diverse and powerful, perhaps he wouldn’t have relied on the same kick three times.
by rzor on Sep 2, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re trying to make me believe he only know how to throw a leg kick or what? He know the variationss, he just made the wrong choice.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s obviously picking up striking itself, but not the mental strategy of striking, and understanding that people can time you and remember your patterns
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my thought.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 2, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, if he had better striking he would not have resorted to the same move 3 times over. A good striker mixes up his shots.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying Maia should forgoe his Jiu Jitsu, I just think he needs to round out his strking so that he isn’t so one dimensional. That means bumping his striking from a 5 to maybee a 7.
for all intents and purposes, just consider all my posts as works of satire.
by Bandaka on Sep 2, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And let’s be honest, he was being generous giving himself a 5.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he should train striking with say, Wanderlei Silva?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 2, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if your problem is that you don’t keep your dukes up when you’re striking, you don’t go to Wanderlei for advice.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to his defense, maia usually trains with wandy for one month, most of his camp is in Brazil.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to defend him, tell him to keep his dukes up.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto: If you want to defend him, tell him to keep his dukes up.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
but wandy does just fine the way he fights, he’s too old to get more efficient, and his current style is much more entertaining to me.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half of his last 6 opponents have knocked him out
…And two others won decisions.
That’s just fine?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"but wandy does just fine the way he fights"
He does? lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe not in the winning sense
but I’m sure as hell entertained
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure,
I always enjoy Wand’s fights. But you cant really say that he does fine with his style though.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 out of 6 fighters (Rich, Rampage, Chuck, Dan and Mirko) agree: Wandy needs to re-think that style.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nowhere in those fighters has he taken a step down though… I think he just needs to cut some muscle off and focus on cardio to get to MW where he’ll have a strength adv, or beef up to HW to be quicker than most of the other guys. Or pray that the UFC starts a 195 weight class
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or just continue getting plastic surgery until he can work as a Michael Jackson lookalike, then take on Chuck at Dancing with the Stars.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanderlei by Crotch-Grab.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rich and chuck didn’t knock him out, come on now. I’m talking about the entertainment value he brings to the table, I have already dealt with the idea that he will never be as dominant as he used to be, but he’ll give us hell of fights still.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can all agree
on Wand being entertaining, but his current style of fighting is not doing him any favors.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think that matters to him… I think he’d rather put on exciting fights then win lacklusterly.
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would he rather die of brain trauma rather than learn to keep his hands up? REALLY? :-)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does
avoiding damage have to do with putting on lackluster fights? I dont think the two are mutually exclusive.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they’re not, I’m just saying that it’s too late in the game for him to improve enough to get to that level, he’s too used to braws. He’ll still win quite a few fights at MW though.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess.
But it would seem like a pretty basic gameplan to try & avoid taking loads of damage as you become older & want to continue fighting.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, nobody learns anything after 33.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Though with all the punches to the face, I guess it does get harder to learn new skills.)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
old dogs can’t learn new tricks, wandy “cachorro louco”.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha mad dog, good reference and rec’d
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Thales Leites.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither do I
But he’s fought that exact same way throughout his career. he doesn’t have the length most LHWs have nowadays, so he relies on being in the pocket and trading, like he always has. Unfortunately, he doesnt have the chin he used to.
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so losing if you don’t get knocked out is “doing fine.”
Got it.
You should talk to Webster’s about that.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's called metonymy, look into it. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s called sarcasm, look into that while you’re at it
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s called an emoticon, look AT it. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s called me owning you, look at it :)
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, not so much.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Portugese
definition of owning is different?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh come on
did you guys miss the emoticon again? for the love of god that I don’t believe in, you just made that point not that long ago jemaleddin!!!
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you get 0 for not learning something new today, I’m taking my star back…
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just wasn’t funny. Sorry, try again!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, it’s like you’re not even trying.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s because I wasn’t trying, I’m trying to end our conversation, it’s going nowhere :P
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Maia wants to fight like Royce Gracie then he should just stick to the one strike Royce Gracie used…
That little rinky dink push kick. You cant get Knocked the fuck out throwing that.
The reality is one dimensional fighters only get so far in the UFC. Aoki would get smashed the same way.
by mmalogic on Sep 2, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in Royce’s defense, when he threw that kick he’d get his head way back, that’s why it wasn’t a problem during his days (big emphasis on “his days”).
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aoki would get smashed much, much worse.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Sep 2, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can get smashed worse than Maia did?
1 strike knockout is about as bad as it gets…
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Sep 3, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Maia’s next opponent will be is going to be pretty tricky.
I’d say maybe Belcher or Gouveia or Miller..
Sexyama would be a good way to promote both of them regardless of who wins.
by DirtyML on Sep 2, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the problem is everyone of those guys has te striking to possibly KO him
by xbuckeyex05 on Sep 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly the kind of guy he should be fighting right now. He needs to be training for that possibility.
by JRN on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fighting Leben is a good test to see if you have discipline on your feet.
by bigweeze on Sep 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still enjoying this Maia hype train wreck. Where’s everyone at now? lol Give him Belcher next and I bet he loses again. One dimensional fighter is one dimensional.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
while i disagree about enjoying it
that could be a good matchup, or even him vs akiyama since they’re both a little undersized at MW
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why exactly did you come here to say this other than to be a dick?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the snacks. Seriously: who brought the hummus? That’s is DE-LISH.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Woah settle down there buddy. Sheesh! So I can’t enjoy the outcome of a fight that I wanted to go exactly how I wanted? Why do you come on here other than to swing on Machidas nuts 24/7?
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 2, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good point – these nuts are pretty good too. Who brought those?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 2, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are enjoying that Maia lost, not that Nate won. This comment in response to a post about how humbly and intelligently Maia is handling this. This might be an appropriate response if Maia said he just got caught or made excuses. It is just a dick move.
Calling people on their shit is almost as enjoyable as watching Machida fight.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 2, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly do you have against Maia?
He’s humble, mature, and a BJJ phenom. Sure, he needs to round out his skill set, but he’s still got time, and he knows that. I don’t get the sadistic satisfaction you have in his KO.
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by themachiavellian on Sep 2, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get the sadistic satisfaction you have in his KO.
Wow it’s not as bad as you make it sound here. I’m really just celebrating that he lost to someone with great KO power and got exposed. Not that he got hurt or anything. Sorry, It’s just that I had been saying since a long time that he was overrated in MMA. BJJ of course he is a phenom and desrves all the praise in the world but not in MMA. All the Maia lovers (wherever they are) would get all defensive anytime I said he was overrated. Now, I guess I just take satisfaction that I was right. Lame, I know lol. He needs to go train at Blackhouse with Nog. I love how Nog combines his striking and BJJ.
I guess I would also react this way if Fedor went to the UFC and raped everyone like I think he would. Sorry Lesnar/Carwin/any UFC HW lovers but Fedor would walk right through them *right now, no doubt about it.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 2, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But there IS doubt because he is not in the UFC :-)
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Sep 3, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, yeah my bad. Didn’t mean to come off that way, guys.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 2, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem. I agree he is overrated in overall MMA – he needs to transition better. And doesn’t he already train at Black House? He was even Nog’s assistant coach on TUF.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Sep 2, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEAR, HEAR
I watched the Maia/Sonnen fight the other day and kept thinking how Nog-like his strategy was: keep wading through punches to go for subs. I wondered how long you could keep that up before getting caught. Guess it’s 12 fights.
Nice to see that his emulation of big Nog doesn’t run towards making excuses.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
it was surprising to me that Maia did not seem to respect Nate’s power enough. With Sonnen’s striking I can kind of understand.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed – Sonnen couldn’t bust a grape. I don’t want to be all Goldberg/Rogan here, but fighting the guys he’s fought doesn’t prepare you for a guy that hits as hard as Nate.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, you just can’t Nog get out of your mouth can you? is he that tasty (of a subject) to you?
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really. But if you’re going to compare him to anyone stylistically, Nog isn’t a bad choice. Good jits, great in the transition, seriously over-rates his own striking.
And the contrasting post-loss statements are the icing on the cake.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I thought your comparison was pretty accurate.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
Nog has great boxing, something Maia doesn’t have. but I know you don’t agree :P
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think
he was comparing their boxing, more the way Nog is willing to take blows as opposed to I dont know, dodge them?
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by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true! You got it!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nog doesn’t do that on purpose dude, are you kidding me? he’s got a big head and has trouble with many strikers.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously implying
that the size of Nog’s head is why he gets clocked by everyone?
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by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(He may have a point there – can you imagine trying to balance an extra 40 pounds on your neck in a fight?)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, dnevil001, you take things too seriously ‘round here. I’m just joking around, big nog fan here, but I can joke about his head can’t I?
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, having a big head WOULD be a bigger target, so you’re probably not far off… At the same time, it also means you can probably take a better shot.
Look at the size of Hendos head
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
truth! and I can’t wait to see big foot going against fedor, I just want to see if that head will do him any good.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he actually has acromegaly, the same condition andre the giant and abe lincoln had.. i read an article about it
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nog doesn’t have that, where did you hear this?
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever you say buddy.
You can justify both Wand & Nog allowing their opponents to drill them repeatedly any way that you want. The truth is that style is not conducive to winning continuously.
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by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet, Nog just did win. And both of them are legends in the sport. Soooooooo…..
by amadeus on Sep 2, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you know what continuously means. But I don’t think dnevil001 does either. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right.
Nog beating Randy because Randy did not have the power to put him away definitely means that you win the debate. lol
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by dnevil001 on Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody can win continuously. Continually, maybe. (Orcus got me started on word definitions.)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, sorry about that grammar chief, me inglish is no vari gud, I’m from a diferente cuntry, me learn english far far away
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you lessons.
Debate: Not contradiction.
See? You’re getting smarter already!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t aware that learning a secondary language had anything to do with the IQ level of a person, but hey, if you say so…
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pish posh: intelligence tests almost always include a linguistic component, so you’ll fare better if you increase your word power in the language of the test.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll note that many people claim that the African Grey is the most intelligent of birds based on its ability to learn human languages.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure it will give you a challenge if you allow the bird to debate you, I’m guessing you two aren’t too far off.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, like most parrots he probably just repeats himself a lot, so it’ll be much like talking with you, I presume.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch, I’m about to go to lunch, this is not over… to be continued on another post…
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did I say wandy’s style will give him continues wins nowadays? Please note that Nog is a much different debate though, he’s not on a losing streak as wandy is.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must be joking
Nog has SLOW hands, and the only time his footwork looks good is when he’s back-pedaling.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said you don’t agree with me, was that not clear?
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to disagree, you should actually make a case for why.
You know, get some facts. Maybe a bullet list. Try out that rhetoric thing the kids like so much.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why, it’s pointless debating you, it’s a never ending feud, I much rather save us both the time.
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a debate when you just say contrary things. That’s just contradiction.
Cue Monty Python….
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I actually tried having a normal debate with you before, but you just state contrary things, oh the irony…
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my recs speak for themselves.
Speaking of which, where is subo?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, recs only means more ppl agrees with you. are you saying “truth” is objected to popularity?
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re not arguing truths here, but merely opinions. And yes, popularity counts for a lot in matters of opinion.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
than I guess your king of the bloody elbow world! good job buddy! if you were next to me I’d give you a star! (seriously, I have a star here my daughter gave me the other day!).
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My son peeled off the Caldecott medal from the front of his “Where the Wild Things Are” and gave it to my wife the other day. I said, “Oooh! I’m married to the most distinguished picture book of the year!”
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still banned I assume. And “my recs speak for themselves” Lol, c’mon.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 2, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did subo get banned? No wonder I haven’t been feeling as green lately!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t here so I can’t tell, but that’s what I heard from mods.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Sep 2, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot. I told him being a Brock fan would lead to nothing but trouble.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GhostofSubo appeared recently, though…
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Sep 2, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooh
I’m starting to feel sad that I’ve never been banned. What are the rules again? You can make fun of anyone but the moderators?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rules
1) No politics or religion except as directly related to the topic at hand. Even in those cases you get to make your point once and then stop.
2) No fighter-bashing, ethnic slurs or name calling of other community members
3) No obscenities.
4) Don’t piss off the moderators.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I find rule #4 very funny, but I try my best to avoid…
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense Nate, and I get that this is a touchy subject, but the Moderators don’t seem to go out of their way not to piss off everyone else.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our site.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Your attitude is that the commenters who make this site worth visiting by adding value and generating the page-views don’t deserve the respect that you demand for yourself? WOW.
Between this and the ongoing sexism (Hey Nick: We’ve all seen the Gina towel gif – you can stop posting it in every thread), I’m finding myself a bit disappointed with this site.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think the sexism is systemic from MMA as a “guy” sport – no thread of Cyborg is without “She’s a dude” jokes, etc. If more women posted here, I’m sure they would drool over GSP’s bubble butt (as my female friends assert).
Agree on Rule #4 – it’s an empty house without any guests…
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by themachiavellian on Sep 3, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest problem with the sexism isn’t the lousy job of policing, it’s the fact that the ADMINS actively engage in it.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Glad somebody else is noticing this. Apparently not many were bothered by Mike Fagan’s extremely tasteless rape joke in his last drinking game addendum. I even sent an e-mail to Luke about it and heard nothing back.
by JRN on Sep 3, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, the admins will continue to ignore it. Starting to think we need to set up a BE-Banned site.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s called Fightlinker.
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by themachiavellian on Sep 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now featuring the comedy stylings of Subo!
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by jemaleddin on Sep 4, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and promptly got himself banned again
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by Kid Nate on Sep 2, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if he doesn't quit writing me creepy emails
I’m going to post all the emails he sent me after being banned and then apologizing and then going off the deep end again.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 2, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dis you ban GhostofSubo just for being him? or was he stupid enough to break some more rules?
by David_ on Sep 2, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke hid some of his comments
and he wrote me a creepy email so I banned him.
He’ll tell you he didn’t get fired he quit, but the difference is I have a button to ban him and I used it.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 3, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, yeah, “some” of his comments, like almost all of them. I tried to keep him in check that night he went off the deep end but there was no denying him.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that’s the same thing.
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by ufc4 on Sep 3, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nog doesn’t seem like an especially good comparison simply because Nog actually goes out there to strike as an end in itself sometimes. Maia is really more of a pre-Shaolin Shinya Aoki: striking purely as a perfunctory thing prior to clinching up and dragging the fight to the mat however possible.
by JRN on Sep 2, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must have skipped this part of my comparison:
“seriously over-rates his own striking.”
Just because he TRIES To box doesn’t mean he should. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nog’s boxing certainly did the trick against Couture. But anyway, I was responding to this part:
But if you’re going to compare him to anyone stylistically, Nog isn’t a bad choice.
It is bad choice if there’s another one that’s obviously better. :-)
by JRN on Sep 2, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Aoki better stay the fuck out of the UFC, because he’ll get what Maia got from Nate.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s safe to say he’ll be staying in Japan. It’s worth noting, though, that the only person to ever knock Aoki out standing was Jutaro Nakao, almost 5 years ago now.
by JRN on Sep 3, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How fast do you think would BJ put him away?
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty fast. But not a lot of lightweights look good by that standard!
by JRN on Sep 3, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could be the most contentious thread of the day.
by Patrick79x on Sep 2, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My bad.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was doing a flying leg scissor and just got caught
by bigweeze on Sep 2, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was trying to punch Nate in the fist with his face.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maia planned to break Nate’s hand and force him into a non-striking battle?
Devious.
by bigweeze on Sep 2, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only Don Frye’s mustache can take that kind of abuse and continue fighting.
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by themachiavellian on Sep 3, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad it’s not quite long enough to pull of an armbar.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate has improved since his loss to Anderson. I haven’t seen anything new from Dan.
by mmalogic on Sep 2, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate has improved, but his striking is still soooooooo far behind Anderson’s.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know, that Tekken combo he busted in his last fight was pretty cool. But yea Anderson would still smash
by reciprocal on Sep 2, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me about it. My wife watched that fight and later said that it was the moment she realized just what there was to like about MMA and exactly how brutal it could be.
And yet: smashed. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 2, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Sure it LOOKED cool. But it would have be cooler if most of the shots actually landed.
by dv8shun on Sep 2, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some of them were glancing, but just about every one of them made contact.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most all made contact.
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by themachiavellian on Sep 3, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWEET.
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by jemaleddin on Sep 3, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure… Anderson would still beat him – but my point was atleast we’ve seen a new nate since the loss as opposed to the same old Dan.
by mmalogic on Sep 2, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stalk, stalk, stalk, close eyes and wing overhand right, repeat.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 2, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clinch, ugly takedown, lay on top until stand-up, stalk, stalk, stalk…
by Captain7 on Sep 2, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan's conditioning at 185 is much much better
now than it was last time he fought Silva.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 2, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a nice treat a guy who doesn’t make excuses after the fact and try to justify him getting wrecked. Props to Maia for that, the guy has a big future in MMA he just needs to keep working on his striking defense and mix up his strikes better and he’ll be fine.
by Raker on Sep 2, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this guy even more now. No crap talking,no excuses, just goes out there and fights. I wish there were more fighters like Damian and Machida.
by E.Nightmare on Sep 2, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey now, machida hasn’t been put on that situation yet, let’s see how he reacts once shogun defeats him :P
by orcus on Sep 2, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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