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Solutions to Satoshi Ishii's Fruitless Investment on the Horizon

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Last year, one of the bigger stories that broke was the announcement that 2008 Beijing Olympic Judo gold medalist Satoshi Ishiiwould enter the sport of mixed martial arts. Following a lengthy courtship by promotions such as DREAM, Sengoku, the UFC, and the now-defunct Affliction, Ishii was leaning toward the UFC at the final hour in 2008. In dramatic fashion, news broke on January 1st of 2009 that Ishii had, in fact, signed with Sengoku instead.

During his courtship and following his signing, Ishii was training with some of the most famous training camps in all of MMA in order to fast track his way into the ring and become a success instantly. He had trained at Xtreme Couture, American Top Team, Lyoto Machida, Fedor Emelianenko, and Gegard Mousasi. It's safe to say that he's been given ample opportunities to increase his level of skill in a short amount of time, but the transition from a judoka who never gets hit in competition to a judoka who uses his skills to submit and punish opponents while being hit is a tough undertaking for any combat sports athlete.

Ishii was scheduled to make his MMA debut on August 2nd, but the fight was strangely postponed to November 7th due to a minor surgery involving a "hernia-related" injury. Interestingly enough, Ishii was at a press conference two days earlier talking about his debut fight, and suddenly the carpet was dragged out from under him with the postponement. Most fans and writers believe Sengoku pulled the plug due to training problems, not enough interest from fans, or his choice of opponents were unsatisfying.

What was the real deal? We'll never know, but it's safe to say that such a coveted signing by WVR has to win and be successful. If he had some sort of deficiencies in training, an injury, or an easier opponent wasn't being offered, it's pretty clear to see why the fight would be pushed back. With Ishii's debut coming in November, there are now some interesting rumors circulating involving potential future opponents that could draw some solid ratings in Japan.

According to Tokyo Sports newspaper (Nightmare of Battle), 2008 Beijing Olympics Judo Bronze medalist Teddy Riner is seeking to battle Ishii, on the judo mat or the MMA ring. Riner won the 2007 European Championships and the 2007 & 2009 World Championships on top of his bronze at Beijing. He won the bronze medal at only 19 years of age. He's also over 6 feet 8 inches tall, a heavyweight, and a judoka. Yeah... imagine that in the ring.

In Beijing, a dream final between him and Satoshi Ishii was hyped beforehand but Riner lost a close match in the quarterfinals. He did go on to win bronze however.

When Ishii was brought up in the Tokyo Sports interview Riner suddenly had a serious look on his face. "I want to fight him again". About punches, Riner says no problem. He got into a lot of fights in his childhood.

Ishii was happy to hear this. "I love Riner. When he came to Japan and was asked if Kosei Inoue is his rival, he said "my rival is Satoshi Ishii". I want to say thanks to him."

What Riner means with wanting to fight Ishii again above (I don’t think they’ve faced each other in an official match yet) is that when the French team visited Japan they went to Kokushikan University’s dojo (Ishii’s university) where Ishii and Riner had practice matches many times over.

"Tell him that I’ll be waiting in the MMA ring." – Ishii

These guys are either going to throw down in 2012 at the Olympics, or Sengoku is going to court Riner into a MMA bout that could actually feed off the rivalry and hype that was evident at the 2008 Beijing Olympics between the two judokas. It's a far-fetched scheme for Sengoku to chase, but there aren't exactly a plethora of low-level heavyweights in their own ranks to take on Ishii. They certainly won't be using Antonio Silva or Josh Barnett any time soon to take on Ishii, and this may be the perfect opportunity for WVR to capitalize on a 2008 judo bout that never happened.

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Riner intends to compete at the 2012 Olympics, so this fight wouldn’t be happening until at least 3 years from now, but it would still be an interesting match-up.

by kiteonastring on Sep 2, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It depends. Sengoku might throw some money at him, he takes on Ishii, and Ishii beats him… then in 2012, there’s some added hype around a showdown between the two as well.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riner is a fight they'll want to build to

and he could very well beat Ishii — at judo or MMA.

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by Kid Nate on Sep 2, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At that kind of size, it’d be a very interesting fight. Especially if Riner goes out, gets some kickboxing and submissions skills. With that kind of reach, he could really blast Ishii badly.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

surely they can find some cans for Ishii to start out with

Mark Kerr or Ken Shamrock should be available. And there’s no shame in an 0-0 prospect fighting an older fighter whose best days are in the past. A Japanese pro-wrestler with no real fighting acumen would also be good. Or a pro-kickboxer with absolutely no ground game.
Would love to see Riner in MMA though but it seems like just a way to keep Ishii’s name in the papers.

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by Kid Nate on Sep 2, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking Shamrock as well, but I wonder if his management is trying to line up someone who has no power at all to knock him out. Kerr would be ideal for that. I saw that Akebono was actually a possiblity awhile back, so obviously… they are lining up cans galore for him.

But yeah, over 6 foot 8 inches at heavyweight, and he’s a judoka. Sign that guy up for MMA.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about ButterBean?

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by Bandaka on Sep 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Ishii will participate in 2012 since he said when he entered MMA that it’s 100% MMA from now on (he even did something to symbolize being retired from Judo I think, don’t remember what it was though), and it didn’t seem like he parted with the judo fed in Japan in very good terms.

Riner said after the 2012 Olympics, and Ishii’s current contract with SENGOKU will end in 2011.

by oOkami on Sep 2, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I imagine Ishii won’t return.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thought of Riner in MMA is boner inducing. He’ll still only be 22-23 after the London games, too.

by Chris Nelson on Sep 2, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t think too hard

by bigweeze on Sep 2, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Guy is a beast.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Last year, one of the bigger stories that broke was the announcement that 2008 Beijing Olympic Judo gold medalist Satoshi Ishii would enter the sport of mixed martial arts."

Really? Would we call that one of the bigger stories?

Because there are all those judo Olympic medalists who have gone on to win belts in MMA in the modern era. Let’s see, there’s …

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by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 2, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

None that I can think of, but that was still a story that got a lot of press.

by Phildo on Sep 2, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a fairly significant story because the courtship of trying to get his services was over the course of around 8 months, and he was a huge piece of a puzzle in the UFC possibly heading overseas.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a bit story in MMA.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, the exciting thing about Ishii from the perspective of fans of judo guys in MMA is that Ishii would be the first world-class judoka to make the transition to MMA at the height of his athletic powers. So a compairson to Yoshida, Takimoto, Ogawa et. al. isn’t really apt.

by JRN on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should try and find some other Olympians to fight Ishi, Judo vs. Judo is interesting but I would rather see him fight someone who was a striker. Maybee an Olympic Kickboxer?

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by Bandaka on Sep 2, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You mean like a Taekwondo guy? Oh man, MMA boards would have a field day with that one.

by JRN on Sep 2, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kickboxing isn’t in the Olympics, but maybe a TKD guy. Like the dude who drilled the ref in Beijing.

by Chris Nelson on Sep 2, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch!

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by Bandaka on Sep 2, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still didnt knock the guy out with that kick, just bloodied him up a bit and scared him—weak-ass tkd

by judonerd on Sep 2, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needed to keep his hands up.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Sep 2, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think a high level striker would be a good first match, especially if they want to build him up.

Either another judo guy so he has an advantage, or someone with some sort of name/experience in mma but not great striking to try to get him over.

by Phildo on Sep 2, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A high level striker is a perfect matchup if the striker in question has no ground game (c.f. Dong Sik Yoon vs. Melvin Manhoef).

by JRN on Sep 2, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Update...
Riner had received a phone call from his opponent who absolutely wants a fight with him. "Was never able to cross on a tatami… If the [Judo federation] does not allow to go on a tatami, I will challenge him in his sport. "

http://nightmareofbattle.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/teddy-riner-hunting-for-ishii/

by Chris Nelson on Sep 2, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL, the translation is muddled as hell, but it sounds like Ishii’s people wouldn’t mind that bout. I don’t understand the whole crossing the mat comment. If the Judo Federation doesn’t allow him to go to the mat, he will challenge him? Why wouldn’t they let him do Judo?

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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are probably rules recording amateurism and all that stuff that would go into the decision.

If he’s going to the olympics in 2012, there could be issues regarding his eligibility.

by Phildo on Sep 2, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Judo Federation doesn’t allow him to go to the mat, he will challenge him? Why wouldn’t they let him do Judo?

The All Japan Judo Federation was pretty pissed at Ishii when he announced he wasn’t going to compete in London. So, if the Judo bosses won’t allow Ishii to face Riner in a superfight at some point, Riner says he’ll challenge him in MMA.

by Chris Nelson on Sep 2, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely forgot about that.... thanks.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riner is build like Dwight Howard. If goes into MMA, it would be incredible for the sport.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 2, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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