Strikeforce: Fedor Emelianenko vs Brett Rogers to Air on CBS November 7
by Kid Nate on Sep 17, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
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From a Strikeforce press release:
The CBS Television Network will return to the mixed martial arts (MMA) cage with STRIKEFORCE: FEDOR VS. ROGERS, to be broadcast Saturday, Nov. 7 (9:00 PM, live ET/delayed PT). SHOWTIME Sports® will produce the four-fight event with host Gus Johnson calling the action and MMA legend Frank Shamrock and Mauro Ranallo serving as color analysts.
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"There's no question this is a sport that is fast becoming a force in popularity and as a business," said Kelly Kahl, Senior Executive Vice President, Prime Time, CBS Television. "We're excited to be the platform that will enable millions more to see the athlete regarded as the very best in his sport. The Number One heavyweight on the most-watched network has a very nice ring to it."...
"It is an honor to have the opportunity to bring the STRIKEFORCE brand to CBS," said Scott Coker, Founder and CEO of STRIKEFORCE. "We are looking forward to bringing MMA back to the network and to having the world's No. 1 heavyweight-Fedor-compete for the first time on live network television against one of America's most promising young, undefeated stars-Brett Rogers."
Full press release in extended entry.
Fedor, the #1 Ranked MMA Heavyweight in the World, To Be Seen for the First Time by Broadcast Television AudienceThe CBS Television Network will return to the mixed martial arts (MMA) cage with STRIKEFORCE: FEDOR VS. ROGERS, to be broadcast Saturday, Nov. 7 (9:00 PM, live ET/delayed PT). SHOWTIME Sports® will produce the four-fight event with host Gus Johnson calling the action and MMA legend Frank Shamrock and Mauro Ranallo serving as color analysts.
In 2008, CBS aired the first live MMA fights on network television, with three successful events earning time period-winning ratings in all key young adult and young men demographics. CBS's most recent broadcast in October 2008 ranked as the night's highest-rated program on both broadcast and cable in adults 18-34 and men 18-34, topping all other sports programming in those demographics, including the Major League Baseball playoffs and college football.
On Nov. 7, the world's Number One-ranked MMA heavyweight fighter, Fedor Emelianenko of Russia, will face undefeated American Brett Rogers of Minnesota in the marquee match up. The fight marks the first bout for the highly coveted Emelianenko since his promotional company M-1 Global signed an agreement with STRIKEFORCE to co-promote major events.
"There's no question this is a sport that is fast becoming a force in popularity and as a business," said Kelly Kahl, Senior Executive Vice President, Prime Time, CBS Television. "We're excited to be the platform that will enable millions more to see the athlete regarded as the very best in his sport. The Number One heavyweight on the most-watched network has a very nice ring to it."
Simply referred to as "Fedor" by fans around the world, the 6-foot, 235-pound Russian is one of the most dominant fighters in the sport. He is a master of the Russian military combat system Sambo and boasts a record of 30 wins, one loss, no draws with 16 wins by submission, seven knockouts and seven decisions. The 28-year-old Rogers (10-0) is a massive physical specimen standing 6-feet, 5-inches tall and weighing 265 pounds. He possesses two of the heaviest hands in the sport of MMA, an attribute that has helped him knock out all 10 of his professional opponents.
"It is an honor to have the opportunity to bring the STRIKEFORCE brand to CBS," said Scott Coker, Founder and CEO of STRIKEFORCE. "We are looking forward to bringing MMA back to the network and to having the world's No. 1 heavyweight-Fedor-compete for the first time on live network television against one of America's most promising young, undefeated stars-Brett Rogers."
STRIKEFORCE has experienced significant growth since it launched its first MMA promotion on March 10, 2006. After signing a landmark deal to air live events on SHOWTIME® earlier this year, STRIKEFORCE earned the premium network its highest MMA rating ever on August 15 with Carano vs. Cyborg. Shortly before the live telecast, the main event principals-Gina Carano and Cris "Cyborg" Santos-were the most searched terms on Yahoo! and Google, while the fight was the most discussed subject on Twitter.
About STRIKEFORCE
STRIKEFORCE (www.strikeforce.com) is a world-class mixed martial arts cage fight promotion which, on Friday, March 10, 2006, made history with its "Shamrock vs. Gracie" event, the first sanctioned mixed martial arts fight card in California state history. The star-studded extravaganza, which pitted legendary champion Frank Shamrock against Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Cesar Gracie at San Jose's HP Pavilion, played host to a sold out, record crowd of 18,265. Since 1995, STRIKEFORCE has been the exclusive provider of martial arts programming for ESPN and, after 12 years of success as a leading, world championship kickboxing promotion, the company unveiled its mixed martial arts series with "Shamrock vs. Gracie." In May 2008, West Coast Productions, the parent company of STRIKEFORCE, partnered with Silicon Valley Sports & Entertainment (SVS&E), an entity created in 2000 to oversee all business operation aspects of the San Jose Sharks and HP Pavilion at San Jose.
About M-1 GlobalM-1 Global (www.m-1global.com) has been one of the leading Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) organizations in the world for over a decade. M-1 has promoted over 150 shows worldwide since 1995. Billed as the "World Cup of Mixed Martial Arts," the M-1 Challenge is a full season of MMA events that showcases some of the best up and coming MMA fighters in the world. Broadcast to over 90 countries around the world, including HDNet in the United States, the M-1 Challenge pits teams of five fighters representing their respective countries against each other for international bragging rights and the title of M-1 Challenge Champions. Fighters who succeed on the M-1 Challenge's international breeding ground will earn the opportunity to participate in major MMA events presented by M-1 Global and their promotional partners such as STRIKEFORCE.
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The World Cup of Mixed Martial Arts? Really!
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
there was a world cup in Mario Kart
but even when i was 5 years old i realized it wasn’t legit
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Five years old, really?!
Man, do I feel old now.
by rzor on Sep 17, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude i’m just getting there—I was watching USC-OSU the other night and almost broke down when I realized I was older than terrell pryor
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i won't make it to 30
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought I wouldn't make it to 30.....
and I have until October 6th to prove myself right.
Who could have ever predicted a Strikeforce event on CBS for this fall? Hmmm…
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you could
either chalk this date up to cowardice in not trying to directly compete with a UFC event or look at it as good planning in finding a soft date between two MMA events to maximize their audience. I choose not to care either way, and will just wait to LOL at Rogers getting into an armbar in the first round.
this goes both ways. CBS may be the catalyst for destroying organizations (Slice/Petruzelli)→(Emelianenko/Rogers)
ooooo
This is an interesting way of looking at it…. hmmmmm….
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first time i’ll get to see him fight on live tv. never felt like shelling out for the affliction cards, and missed the pride days. can’t wait.
They picked a good date not to be counter-programmed with a live event, at least. 105’s the next week and 106 the week after that.
Now which event will the UFC reair on Spike?
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
The problem is that I believe Dana White has an event in hiatus that has been unannounced with fighters already knowing it’s happening and training for it.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 17, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this would be cool but sort of surprising given that most of the top draws for the UFC are MIA or spoken for from now till 2010
I wouldn’t put that past Dana White
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Imagine if all this Hendo-Marquardt-Silva drama or Rampage-Rashad postponement was staged…(kidding…ish)
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
they already did a replay of UFC 100
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That’s a badass movie
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 17, 2009 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana White=Napolean Dynamite
“ah jeez”
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Sep 17, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dana might still try to promote a live show that night. Apparently he’s got fights booked for it already.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
Hendo-Marquardt??
this would be nice, but i won’t hold my breath.
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If he does, he would be putting on 3 live events in 3 weeks (not including the WEC).
That would be killer for them.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it would be that bad. They’ve been talking about running up to 3 events a month in 2010 anyway. It’d be a good test run. Plus, 2 live events on TV to push UFC 106 sales is better than 1 event.
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Trust me, it would be killer. A lot of sleepless nights if they go through with that. A re-run would be much easier for them.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It would definitely be easier, and I know where you’re going with this, but if Dana has the fights booked already, it’s definitely plausible that they do this.
I know you’ll do your best to talk down that idea though. : )
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Actually, I wouldn’t care. That would mean free MMA for the entire Nov month. That sounds great to me, actually. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably either a network show of his own or a re-air I think. Use the CBS show to hit the news outlets promoting the show talking about the heavyweights “Fedor was afraid to fight” going at it at 106.
And no, I am not saying that, but Dana probably will.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
They need a second big match to have a chance at getting the ratings they need. Paging Gina Carano…
Dana countering isn’t going to hurt them at all.
Yeah I think under these circumstances, countering with a live event hurts the UFC more than it hurts Strikeforce.
As for Strikeforce needing a 2nd big match to get the ratings, you think so? To some degree it will be a verrrry casual fan that tunes in. They wouldn’t know the difference between a marquee 2nd fight or not. I’m still thinking about it…
Seeing as they don’t have any marquee matches yet…
by Michael Rome on Sep 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what other fights could be on the card:
Shields/Mayhem
Lawler/Jacare
Diaz/Hieron
Thomson/Melendez
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Somehow I don’t see CBS being willing to promote Nick Diaz.
by Michael Rome on Sep 17, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not since he infuriated Showtime by burning them for a second time with drugs.
by Michael Rome on Sep 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, if in doubt, i’m sure they’d say screw it, and maybe write some extra penalties into his fight agreement
Yup, there is no problem, though, he maybe be fighting for DREAM versus Mach so we will have to see. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
=(
Could you please stop adding that after every comment?
by MMAWrestling on Sep 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Miller would be an incredible addition
He has some name recognition with “the kids” for Bully Beatdown, that would definitely draw viewers. Wonder if it’s too short notice if he hasn’t already been offered the fight.
Especially since Shields is not an interesting draw (as witnessed when he fought Daly).
I finish beers at 1:55.
Get some of your other younger stars on there too
Look I am pumped for Fedor/Rogers and now that it is on CBS it should be sick.
However dont just worry about that fight get some of you other great fighters recognition.
Shields
Melendez
Thomson
My best guess is Shields/Mayhem will happen on this card as well and I know you dont want to give away all you stars but you gotta give people a reason to buy showtime.
i have a hard time believing that shields can really be built that much further than he is now. i think he’s got limited upside in terms of his level of competition, and he’s not exactly a media darling…. so….
maybe if they wanted to build mayhem miller, i guess that’s a good matchup. size mismatch is a little silly.
don't forget DreamCatcher
he didn’t even break a sweat last time, did he?
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 17, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Supposedly he hurt himself in his grappling exhibition against The Ice Cream Man.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 17, 2009 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
look at that picture
CBS hasn’t had that much meat in primetime since Drew Carey on a Price is Right $1,000,000 spectucular
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haha
Drew Carey should fight that he/she/it from his show on the undercard
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 17, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yea
I don’t think the running gag was ever about what sex she was… It was just that she was fat and ugly but didn’t seem to realize that or care
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by funnytiger on Sep 17, 2009 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll take Drew by 2nd rd RNC then
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 17, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
m-1 description is laughable
by cagefightonacid on Sep 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Well, the press release was already sent out. Did he speak again after that?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's busy counting his money right now
thank God Dana has a real competitor so he will stop thinking he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread—which really isn’t that great if you think about it
by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Sep 17, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh...
MMA fans will shit on anything! Now we’re going after sliced bread.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Snarf??
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/8/3/633533207560055627-snarf.jpg
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yo, still kinda new
how to post pic in comment box?
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Click the image thing above (the tree looking thing) and insert the link.
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sexy
thanks broseph
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
or been hanging with Nick Diaz?
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz should start a marijuana farm
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I’m venting out loud, but why do I want the UFC to destroy Strikeforce? I’m an MMA fan, I still watch Pride dvds, IFL reruns, etc, but I really want the UFC to crush Strikeforce. There is something about them that bothers me.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 4:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL
Take a deep breath. It’s okay.
Watching great fights on CBS is the only cure.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol.
I will watch or DVR (saturdays are busy for most 26 year olds) this show either way. I just don’t know why, but something about the Coker/Finkie/Millen trilogy makes me nauseas.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is definitely Millen, and probably Finkie. Not sure yet on whether Coker can make someone nauseous.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Reasoning lies somewhere between his Jabba appearance and the fact that he’d allow M-1 to crawl into bed with his company.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is probably the best move they can make short of what I think they should do… you cant counter program CBS with anything on spike other than a replay. A live show on spike will only hurt Zuffa at this point.
Too bad most of the viewers will again think its “Ultimate Fighting” or The “UFC” and result in only increasing the numbers for 105 and 106 right after.
You will never have a number 2 player emerge unless you’re willing to go head to head and force the UFC out of the PPV business.
I dont see how you can get any headway with this long term…
If the numbers are great then that only gives Zuffa more leverage with its network.
If the numbers suck – the entire upside is deflated.
Im assuming the numbers will be good. I also assumed if strikeforce did over 500k on showtime, CBS would be on the table.
So now assuming the numbers are good enough Strikeforce will have up to 4 shows a year on CBS.
This gets “sponsorship” money closer to what Zuffa brings to the table… however there is still the big elephant:
REVENUE
How do you compete with a monster that produces 8 million plus ppv buys per year?
If you make any headway with a network Zuffa will have a deal gift wrapped that pays even better making your inroads a wash or worse.
We went over this before… if you create a star on network you better be able to pay and monetize that star otherwise they will stop fighting for you… ex. cung le, overeem, etc…
Just going through the motions once again with a few twists…
Elite was on showtime for a year or so… Then got on CBS…. Then ran out of Money…
The difference is Elite had 40m plus to burn on the negative side but on the positive side Strikeforce is a better operator and the current market demand will probably make up for the capital difference somewhat.
The competition for Zuffa gets a little better everytime… and this is good because it forces Zuffa to the next level every time.
Remember this time in histroy as it will be the last real battle before Zuffa completely closes all the gaps and becomes the official NFL for MMA (yeah in Im talking in the hardcore community).
by mmalogic on Sep 17, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Where have you been? Not surprised you made your return in this thread…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 17, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If you make any headway with a network Zuffa will have a deal gift wrapped that pays even better making your inroads a wash or worse.
Yeah, I see this as a good thing for Zuffa. If the CBS/SF show does well, chances are Zuffa has a TV deal by the end of the year.
The competition for Zuffa gets a little better everytime… and this is good because it forces Zuffa to the next level every time.
I’ve always been a fan of competition, and if this means we’ll get a better product, that’s awesome. Once the UFC has a network deal, I think it’s pretty much over. SF will have all their fighters poached. Already, when my friends see an MMA fight in the cage, they automatically assume it’s the UFC.
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No offense, but your friends are stupid.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 17, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
Harsh.
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by funnytiger on Sep 17, 2009 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
let me offend!
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by blubber_guard on Sep 17, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you dont like it but its the reality…
The CBS show will make Zuffa more money than it will make Strikeforce, Showtime and CBS combined.
This...
is why you don’t drive a Bentley Mr. Fagan!
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They are...
but you can’t blame them when they only watch MMA once or twice a year at my persistent begging.
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Eh, I’m pretty tolerant of stupidity. I would say the same thing if someone thought all soccer was the EPL or the World Cup or whatever.
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What is "soccer"?
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by ufc4 on Sep 17, 2009 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You understand that a deal won’t be made until next year, and if it is on Network, it will only be 1 show a quarter (4 shows a year), just like CBS and Strikeforce.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Comparing EXC with SF is insane.
EXC was a clusterfuck from the get go that tried to throw money at everything and had absolutely no G.D. clue what they were doing.
- They built an entire promotion around the aura/draw of an inexperienced internet street fighter.
- They paid something like $60m for a website
- They bought a bunch of small, profitable and established regional shows and then did NOTHING with them…basically let them wither on the vine instead of doing something smart like establishing a working farm system that would feed them quality, up-and-coming fighters for years AND been able to keep them away from the UFC.
On the otherhand, Strikeforce has been nothing but a smart and profitable company.
Are they taking big risks and making themselves a target of the UFC? Yes.
Are they anything like EXC (management wise) other than being on CBS? Abso-fucking-lutely not.
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My question is, why does it have to be a Saturday. On Saturday on CBS the ratings are going to be automatically compared to the SEC game that day, and whatever big football game is possible on espn at that time.
Jumping off Rome’s idea, if they did it the Friday before 106, it would be as close to impossible as it could be for Zuffa to counterprogram, and there would be a lot less direct ratings comparisons around.
Also, CBS uses MMA to get good ratings on Saturday night, which is typically their worst ratings on Prime Time tv.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i might be wrong
but i think CBS still gets an SEC game in the 3:30 slot on Saturday
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
for sure
Tenn vs. Florida this wknd
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking about college football also...
because at the same time the big ABC game will be on, as well as a good game on ESPN.
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Arizona St vs USC will be the BIG game, so, it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...
You don’t watch a lot of college football, do you?
Oklahoma/Nebraska
Ohio St/Penn St
LSU/Alabama are all HUGE games… They could not have picked a worse weekend.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he’s talking at that time slot. The Oklahoma/Nebraska
Ohio St/Penn St will probably air earlier in the afternoon. Don’t know about the LSU/Alabama if that could air after 9pm eastern time.
This! and The LSU/Alabama game is an early game as well.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
None of the times are set yet. They usually aren’t until the week of the game. I don’t know where you guys are pulling these magical times from, but noon eastern time is the standard for scheduling purposes, even if you go to ESPN’s site, it says TBD next to every game that week.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because Big 10 games don’t kickoff after 3:30 pm after October (unless it’s in a dome) and Nebraska and Oklahoma rarely play night games.
It is pretty obvious that all those games wont happen at night time at the same time, specially with the SEC games being on EST and USC vs Arizona State already booked for that night.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I do:
The point is what games are HUGE and start at 7 or 8PM ET?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
think that's at 8 PM, eastern time
but don’t be surprised if ESPN options it out for the LSU-Bama game
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course they will
ESPN takes every opportunity to crap on the Pac-10 and west coast sports
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
LSU/Bama
Is going to be much more interesting than USC vs. Arizona at that point in the season…I’m pretty sure anyway
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 17, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, probably
I’m just bitter that I had to wait for the friggin’ Red Sox 4 hour marathon to end before I could actually see my Giants on TV. When they finally went to the Giants, they were down 2-0 in the 5th, and I’m convinced my lack of viewership caused it.
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
It’s because the Pac-10 sucks. One team can’t keep a conference afloat forever.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 7:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First I want to gloat for going out and saying this fight has to be on CBS (so can a lot of other people) when a lot of people where saying “now way, CBS won’t risk it”. When they got Fedor they were all in.
Second Mayhem will be on this card. He’s too big of name, with his owns means to promote (“Bully Beatdown”) to not put him on the card.
Third Cung Le will be on their next CBS card.
please knock fedor out on cbs brett, please!
by DJ Soma on Sep 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They should get Cyborg-Toughill on this show.
The problem for Strikeforce should be evident to everyone paying attention. So far they can’t create any stars or promote for shit on a national level. They can’t get any momentum, and have failed to capitalize on anything they’ve done so far on Showtime in terms of actually making stars. They were smart enough to fool CBS into thinking Gina Carano’s success was their success.
+1
Fedor vs Rogers
Mayhem vs Jacare/Shields
Cyborg vs Toughill/Coenen
Cung Le vs ?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cung Le vs. His Fight Career
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 17, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Cung Le vs. B-Movie Obscurity?
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
So far they can’t create any stars or promote for shit on a national level. They can’t get any momentum, and have failed to capitalize on anything they’ve done so far on Showtime in terms of actually making stars. They were smart enough to fool CBS into thinking Gina Carano’s success was their success.
strikeforce has been around for 5 months in the post-EliteXC era. 5 months! i think you are being way to hard on them.
I wonder where it will be…
From the UG:
Prudent center — Newark, NJ — BOOKED — Miley Cyrus
Izod center — East Rutherford, NJ — BOOKED — NJ Nets
Xcel Energy center — St. Paul, MN — BOOKED — Minnesota Wild
Target Center — Minneapolis, MN — BOOKED — KISS
HP Pavilion — San Jose, CA — BOOKED — San Jose Sharks
They should just run San Jose again. Reliably hot and big crowd.
by Michael Rome on Sep 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, wasn’t paying attention. They could try running the Cow Palace in San Francisco, though it’s a very old arena. Arco I don’t like, too far from San Jose to get the local crowd.
by Michael Rome on Sep 17, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
HP Pavilion — San Jose, CA — BOOKED — San Jose Sharks
per N.T.
I don’t know of any other big arenas in the San Francisco area.
Scotttrade in STL? Taco Dome in Seattle/Tacoma? Arco in Sacramento?
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is there for reals a "taco dome"?
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
oh LOL
Taco Dome would be awesome
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by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the Tacoma Dome
But taco dome is a vastly superior name and a restaurant that, if it existed, I would patronize frequently.
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
Scott Coker: Gegard Mousasi, Jake Shields, Mayhem Miller, Cris Cyborg will all be on Fedor-Rogers undercard.
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That’s what I figured. So the card should be:
Fedor-Rogers
Cyborg-Toughil
Mousasi-!?!
Shields-Miller
by Michael Rome on Sep 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea who they could match up Mousasi against. Taking a chance on Filho, especially after that terrible Bitetti performance, doesn’t seem likely.
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Lindland is a big dude, so yeah, they could make that. I mean, he fought a HW before and he fought Rampage and almost beat him.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Mousasi vs Filho/Shango
You are forgetting Jacare.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor-Rogers
Cyborg-Toughil
Mousasi-Filho
Shields-Miller
Maybe throw in Cung Le versus Lindland and promise a huge bonus to Lindland if he can KO Le standing up (that last one was a Joke)
Lombard is still locked into Bellator by the champion’s clause. They’ve said they’d lend guys out, provided they fight in other divisions, but that’s a TOUGH fight for Lombard.
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Had the same sentiments above.
For Lindland’s long-term health, I hope he takes a different comeback fight.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Thats right, KJ is availalble for the end of the year.
=)
Gomi vs Diaz/Noons please!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And all the eggs go into the basket...
by Shaun32887 on Sep 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kimbo all over again
Miguel Torres- "I'm gonna give him a taste of the East Chicago Waterfall."
Rashad Evans- "That sounds disgusting."
Raises eyebrow quizzically...
ummmm, no.
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UFC counter-programming:
-Matt Hughes available?
-Could Miletich be involved?
-Will Seth Petruzelli get to do the national anthem?
You said nothing about where the UFC should would/could be aired.
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Whu? Said they wouldn’t do a live show counter, much easier for a replay.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Logic is saying they’d run a counter if it was on a major network, I believe.
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Oh Yeah...
That makes sense, but then ESPN and ABC shows CFB games on Saturday night, so it would be tougher to do. But yeah, it would make MORE sense with another big network. I didn’t mention that because the UFC has NO network deal yet.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Dana is probably pissed right now. Sf beat him to network, and with a Megaton card (supposedly) full of badassery! Ha, Mousasi hurt cant be in Hulk Tourney my ass! Well played Coker, well played!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana is HAPPY right now.
Dana is actually pretty pumped because of the TUF numbers.
I don’t think Dana’s pissed. I have a feeling he’s turned down the networks because the money wasn’t right. If anything, he could be pumped because if this card draws well, then he has more leverage when negotiating with networks in the future.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 6:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Countering a network show with a live show makes no sense for the UFC. Even if they have a secret card as rumored, they won’t do it. They’ll re-air 101 or something.
Hey Logic…there you are. Where ya been…buddy?
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 17, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
do you think it would be prudent to make a special program, idk, hyping the top 10 young fighters in the ufc or something like that?
Show some Bones Jones, Anthony Johnson, etc. fights?
Cheap, and good for future promotion.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, kind of have to agree
but i still wanna make it happen by strength of will…
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ZOMMFG!!!!
MEGATON!!!!
INTERWEBZ EXPLOSION!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
It would be awesome if EA did an exclusive 1st time ever video preview of the EA game during that time.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
EA has another announcement this Friday. Just saying.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Man this news just made my day. I’m going to WEC in SanAntonio and I REALLy didnt want SF to counter on that weekend. =)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here here!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear I'm not a grammar Nazi,
but this might do a lot of people some good out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear
It’s one of those things that once you see it, it bugs you forever.
I don't really care to analyse this too much
It’s exciting!
MMA on CBS again = great.
UFC 105 the week after = great.
UFC 106 (Carwin vs. goddam Lesnar!) the week after that = GREAT.
What a great time to be a MMA fan.
I finish beers at 1:55.
I hope CBS doesn’t flood the event with commercials. Even though UFNs are free there are so many commercials it ruins the flow.
Saw 6: Return of Random Kidnappings, Torture, Creepy Puppets, and Gore
Saw 7: (repeat Saw 1-6) LOOP
One question though – Strikeforce is going to have cards 2 nights in a row? Gurgel/Evangelista is on the 6th in Fresno.
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YUP!
One on Showtime and one on CBS though.
Thats how thats going to work.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
in a Challengers card against Billy Evangelista. Should be a brawl.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It SHOULDN’T be, if Gurgel wanted to actually win. But it will be. And this topic has been beaten to death, so I’ll stop now.
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Strikeforce has essentially become a “boxing promoter” only they dont make any money. Low overhead, outsource everything, etc… They are like an “employee” and have lost all control.
Short term this will allow them to last the barrage for the time being but long term this just doesn’t work in MMA on a national level.
Why don’t you love someone just a little
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orx6ou1OUKs&feature=related
Like Fedor/Lesnar at UFC 103 on a netw….oh wait.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
expecting fedor to sign the same deal Tito is french kissing Dana on is a “Fantasy”… ok. The same deal Brock, Couture, etc.. happily signed. Fedor not signing that deal was an anomaly.
Expecting an organization to do what no other organization who also had network TV deals, and way more money is a Fantasy…
by mmalogic on Sep 17, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What if
the UFC were to counter program with a network show? Would explain a lot. Maybe someone already mentioned it not sure.
Have to admit its plausible. If it does happen people will react they way they always do with Dana White praise mixed with a lot of haters.
Made sense, who else was Fedor gonna fight? The public likes undefeated records, and Rogers just beat the guy they claimed was the #1 contender in less time than the supposed #1 fighter in the world did. The storyline was there, and it’s not like AO was gonna fight in the states.
So, When Fedor Gets KO'd By Rodgers On National TV....
Strikeforce will ___________.
M-1 will ___________.
Showtime/CBS will ___________.
Dana White will ___________(fill in the blanks please).
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
Shit their (or his) pants?
To all of em
I'm the kind of girl who loves to watch a GOOD fight!
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by funnytiger on Sep 17, 2009 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
… plant roids in Roger’s room, along with plaster in his gloves.
… make 7 families disappear.
… bring down the axe.
… light a cigar.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Showtime wanted the 1st Fedor fight… this move is a COUNTER to what Zuffa is doing behind the scenes.
Why do I always feel like you’re flirting with the very limits of an NDA?
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
Because he wants you to think that. Because he desperately wants to be mmalogic.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think there’s way to many regulatory issues to run a show in Canada.
At this time the UFC is going to be the only org that has the chops, clout and lobbying power to get shows off the ground with any certainty.
Can you imagine if SF had the show planned for Montreal (not a bad idea b/c Montreal/Quebec is a huge MMA hotbed) and had the shit pulled that the Commission pulled there. That just might fuck SF over royally enough to kill any chance of a network deal again.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
am i seeing that right...
is it gonna be live on the east coast and tape delayed for the west? that’s some bush league shit right there… coker needs to run a show as important as this live coast to coast
Umm..
This is how it works on TV. The UFN card yesterday was tape delayed to the West Coast as well. Good news is that if you have Satellite (Direct TV or Dish Network), you get them live in both coasts.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It was on a 3 hour delay on the west coast.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends who your provider is. UFC yesterday didn’t show on Time Warner until 8 PM PT.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because it’s “how it works” doesn’t mean it isn’t bull shit.
Anyway, other pro sports aren’t delayed on the networks, so why should this one be?
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http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
Oh Yeah...
Completely agree. I hate that crap but PRIME TIME matters to networks on both coasts.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
no, this is not how it works on TV. the NFL and NBA can put on games live coast to coast on network TV. UFC can put on shows (fight night etc.) on spike live coast to coast. how many people do you think are gonna give a shit about watching this event if they are unable to watch it live? that’s the only way to watch sporting events, imo.
and boss, the ufc was not on 3 hour delay on the west coast, not for me at least, and if it was on the delay i don’t think i wouldn’t have rushed home to watch it.
The UFC was on a 3 your delay yesterday. Unless you had direct tv or were watching the east coast feed of Spike. I found out the hard way.
Yes it was on delay. It all depends who your provider is.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
this is truly a great day for severe mma fans like ourselves. Maybe someday soon ALL of us will give Fedor a tip of the hat for making more high-level free MMA than would otherwise be available had he signed with UFC. Thanks for helping to build a strong # 2 organization Fedor. You’ll always be someone that the fans and fighters can look up to.
This will be a nice birthday present for me. They should have it in Grand Rapids, that would be even better.
Fedor in Iowa, not likely haha. They should do it at the old LA Clippers arena. Not too big but can fill about 16K people
by xdaveydarkox on Sep 17, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no Grand Rapids, IA. There’s a Cedar Rapids and Rapids City, but no Grand Rapids.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chicago
Looks like Chicago may be a possible destination. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4482305
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Well that solves the problem of where to hold the event
Fagan’s front room it is. We’ll lock up when we leave.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
WHY???
This should be at the All State Arena or United Center. If they are going to do that, they are better doing it at the UIC Pavillion.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 17, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they’re booked up already. I haven’t checked, but the U.C. may have a Bulls or Hawks game that night, and the Allstate may have a Wolves game or Depaul or something.
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Circus is in town at the Allstate that night, and the UIC Pavilion has something called “Pow Wow” all day that day. Sears Center is the only possibility
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Sears Centre is not even in Chi, it’s like an hour and half away from the city
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 17, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, it’s not ideal. Would have thought they would have a location set before announcing the date.
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That location is just not convenient, I mean if it was at the UC, UIC or All-state, you have the blue-line and buses…This shit is like way outside of Chicago
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 17, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Would have thought they would have a location set before announcing the date.
What? You mean plan this shit ahead of time? That’s riduculous…
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hoffman Estates is 45 minutes from the city. Unless you’re coming from Hammond or something.
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Chicago has a HUGE amount of Russian and Easter European diversity. It’s actually a great choice if it’s true.
It’s not really in Chicago, it’s like an hour and half away. It’s not convenient location.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 17, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I mean, if they said hoffman states, IL, know one would know what fuck that is, so they use the closest major city.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Sep 17, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So CBS doesn’t go in on the Carano/Cyborg fight which had at least some name value and buzz. But they decide to go head first with Fedor a guy with no name value, sometimes you have to ask what exactly some of these people are on with their business moves. Regardless, should be fun to see what Dana and company come up with to counterprogram this i’m thinking Silva/Forrest replay.
No, he doesn’t. Even my friends that are hardcore UFC, I emphasize UFC, fans, have not an inkling of who in the world he is.
by Screwface on Sep 17, 2009 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have friends that very casually know about MMA, don’t watch the UFC on a regular basis, and they love Fedor.
Anecdotal evidence is fun!
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I have friends who don’t watch MMA, have no idea who Brock Lesnar is, and pray to Fedor 3 times a day.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Sep 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what kind of deal Strikeforece got. If dana is right, then I guess strikeforce will go out of business due to them being on CBS.
'Ello G'vnor!
Doubt it. Strikeforce has been able to get better deals than the ones EliteXC got from Showtime and CBS.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So you hope and think.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm well, not taking the bait on your 2nd question.
but as for what kind of deal strikeforce got: keep in mind there are certain things that UFC is absolutely unwilling to give ground on, but that strikeforce might not really care about at this point in time.
for example, who is in the broadcast team and what level of production control/influence the network has over the look, feel, pacing, etc… of the show. to the UFC, all these elements are core to their product and they stick to their guns on it. whereas for strikeforce, they can say “ok” to a lot of these items fairly easily.
the “deal” that strikeforce got in comparison to what the UFC had been or is negotiating does not necessarily have to be all about the financial differences. a lot or most of it is probably on product and production differences.
When you say this, remember that Elite XC had to (so we can assume SF does now) pay CBS to produce the show.
There is no way Zuffa should pay anyone to produce what they feel is a lesser quality product than they can already do on their own.
Being able to keep the production the same is one thing, but it definitely doesn’t make sense for them to pay someone else to do a worse job.
LOL, SF is not our competitor but we counter-programmed Carano-Cyborg anyway.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
I dont know
Well at least i will watch this now.. lol SF had no other choice then to do this, They need some exposure and this was the only way to do it. But like someone else said, if anyone who has not watched mma before tunes in and see’s this, the only real people who benefit will be ufc.. Yeah strikeforce will be the one’s putting on the show, but ufc is the NFL or NHL.. pretty simple really, counter programming will just be fighting for the same die hard fans who all own some sort of recording device. so why not let SF be and gain viewers while SF uses there only good fighters in one event.. (I know they have more but they are lacking). As for the goofs who say fedor is king and bla bla bla, yeah i believe he was… but why do people think that he would sign with a company who wont deal with “his” own company.. kinda stupid to think he would do this. But other fighters opinions are changing of him, and competition is not what it was 3-5 years ago, guys are bigger and more skilled.. the guys he has beat to get his 36-1 record are also getting there asses handed to them at times. But really if you think about it its all in how a company uses the money they have, If the spend wrong and don’t make decent money then they will fold like others have, unfortunately everywhere M1 is it seems to follow. Im seeing a lot of elite XC in strikeforce and we all know its a matter of time…
Im seeing a lot of elite XC in strikeforce
come on, you’re just saying that because strikeforce acquired all their assets and now it’s all a part of them
Dana White's counterprogramming?
The UFC ring girls have an interesting pillow fight session for free on Spike. ;-)
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
A lot of people will be using their right hands that night.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Could you imagine Mike Goldberg announcing the pillow fight?
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
A pillow fight??
Rashad v. Lyoto part deux?
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No just the UFC ring girls
But +1.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Admittedly, I reacted with skepticism when I first heard EliteXC was going to be on CBS. Dancing girls, the bad music, the Shaws… just not good. What went on with EliteXC and CBS basically made me recoil in horror. Now with Strikeforce on CBS, I am still skeptical about long term success, but regardless of what I or others think about what this does for SF, I think we can all agree that SF will be putting on a quality show. They’ve put on some pretty good shows in the past, and I’m not expecting anything less from them this time around.
I love me some Sexyama!
I have no faith in Strikeforce promoting Fedor well, so they better hope other mainstream press gets on board.
agreed.
but i’m sure it’ll be on ESPN’s bottom scroll, for what that’s worth
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Sep 17, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Thing
Showtime and CBS is promoting him.
Strikeforce doesn’t really have a huge marketing budget.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 17, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
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