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Condit Forced to Face Shortcomings Against Ellenberger

Leading up to last night's UFC Fight Night card in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, little attention was paid to former WECCarlos_20condit_mediumWelterweight Champion Carlos Condit's main card tilt against underrated veteran Jake Ellenberger. Most of Condit's fans, some of whom feel that he should have got the nod in an April Split Decision verdict against Martin Kampmann, were not overly vocal about last night's match up.

Whether this was a result of a sobering of expectations regarding a man who was once considered to be in the top five of the welterweight division, or merely the result of uninspiring match making, Condit was largely expected to make a statement with an emphatic TKO or submission victory. Instead, Condit was thoroughly dominated throughout most of round 1, nearly losing consciousness on two separate occasions, before rallying in the second and third rounds to egde by on points.

While Condit should be commended on his ability to whether such a brutal storm and come back in the manner that he did, Kenny Florian's comments regarding his tendancy to leave himself open really sum up his performance. Condit may have gotten away with daring, Miguel Torres-esque manuevers during his WEC reign against sub-par competition such as Miura, Alessio, and Kyle Jensen, but he clearly does not possess the sort of speed and explosiveness needed to properly capitalize on some of the opportunities his unorthodox striking and grappling style create. Furthermore, as we saw on August 9 in the main event of WEC 42, even Torres can have lapses in judgement that can--and did--lead to a stunning KO loss.

The good news to come out of all of this is that, by and large, Condit seems to be entirely conscious of of the awful position he found himself in against Ellenberger. Speaking during his post-fight interview on UFC.com, Condit said:

He did have me in trouble in the first round, but I tried to weather the storm and get through it and I came out on top. I’ve been in some pretty bad positions before, but that was probably pretty close to the worst.

Instead of following up this sentiment with a discussion about how he can improve for his next fight, which will presumably come against an even tougher opponent than Ellenberger, Condit seems to take pride in the fact that he came back to win in the way he did, citing his toughness as possibly his greatest strenght.

I can take punishment and I don’t quit. It’s not in me to quit.

Condit also made light of his technical mistakes by attributing much of the adversity he faced in the cage to the equal toughness of his opponent, irresepective of my own opinion that another fighter--say a Dustin Hazelett or a Josh Koscheck--probably would have gotten the finish if they were to wind up in a similar position.

I had him mounted once or twice and was trying to finish him with strikes, but he’s a tough dude.

As Florian suggested, much of the reason for Condit's not being able to secure the finish was because of his tendancy to over commit himself to a single mode of attack, providing Ellenberger, a crafty--and yes, tough--veteran the opportunity to escape and inflict partially deflected damage of his own. Had Ellenberger maintained the same hellish pace he brought in the first round--a difficult proposition for any fighter--I firmly believe Condit would have been finished emphatically, tough or otherwise.

Maybe I am being too hard on Condit, but I think he has set the bar fairly high for himself in past performances. Obviously it would be naive to assume that a fighter is going to definitively outline all of the mistakes he made in a fight minutes afterwards, sweating in a locker room backstage, but if Condit does not devote significant time to strengthening both this striking defense, as well as his offensive poise, he will never get a deserved shot at UFC gold.

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Turns out I’d rather see Condit fight than see Kenny Florian fight. Maybe overcommitment to trying to finish someone isn’t the best idea, but damnit all if it isn’t entertaining for the viewer! =)

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Florian finished 5 of 6 opponents on his win streak. Condit hasn’t finished either fight in the UFC. They are both entertaining, but I think Kenny’s analysis was accurate.

by xDieseLx on Sep 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’d still rather see Condit fight in the wars he has than all of those Florian finishes… I point to Condit vs. Miura as an example.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 18, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Condit seems to take pride in the fact that he came back to win in the way he did

Fighters like him usually have to lose in order to learn that lesson.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 17, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Condit should fight Karo Parisyan or Matt Hughes.

by MMAEruption on Sep 17, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

or john fitch. thats my dream match up right there.

That was a real kick and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultraviolent.

by mistake4 on Sep 17, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea i hate it when people manipulate quotes to make a fighter sound like he says one thing when he really said something completeley different.

by JaTinkles on Sep 17, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for blowing this post out of the water.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 17, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re actually completely wrong, for your information.

That other fanpost is quoted from an MMAJunkie.com story after that site interviewed Condit. As I explicitly state in the article, my quotes were all taken from Condit’s direct, post-fight interview with UFC.com. And I also suggest that Condit is probably not thinking clearly because he has clearly just gotten backstage when he is interviewed.

Thanks anyways though.

by Steven T. Kelliher on Sep 17, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That performance by Condit was my nightmare scenario, ever since the way he fought in the last round against Kampman i’ve been questioning how effective him joining ACS was. And now i’ve see that Condit is no longer the NBK he was before he joined up with Varner and company. His standup was sloppy and predictable, his submissions were sloppy and ineffective and his gameplan was non-existant.

This guy was a shell of the fighter he was when he was dominanting in the WEC before joining ASC, he needs to leave that camp now before he winds up becoming another guy with great talent that never did anything.

I’ll say off the bat I thought he lost the fight, i’ve seen it 4 times and everytime I scored it differently 2 for Condit and 2 for Jake because of the razor thin 2’nd round. Either way that was not the Condit i’ve known and became a fan of and it all started with his move to ASC, I can see it in his eyes those guys aren’t pushing him like his old camp used to.

I give him credit for pulling out a fight that probably should have been a draw at best for him with heart. And i’m not taking anything away from Jake the guy is legit and I want to see him come back and fight again in the UFC. But Condit is on another level he’s fought tons of tough guys and has all the tools to be WW champion in the UFC. That won’t happen with him staying with ACS, it has become clear to me that as long as he remains there he is going backwards as a fighter not forward wake up Carlos before it’s too late.

by Raker on Sep 17, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Condit seems like a fighter destined to wind up going to the likes of Extreme Couture or Greg Jackson (sucks because GSP is there) but heres a twist, what if he tried to go somewhere like Black House? I know he dosen’t exactly fit in their when it comes to nationality and such, but he needs a place that can focus on solid boxing/muay thai and tight jits.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 17, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure Condit could ever knock off GSP

So maybe Greg Jackson’s place IS a good place for him? It’ll give a significant boost to a very exciting fighter, make him competitive inside a great division, and won’t harm a possible GSP-Condit match later, because he’d probably lose that regardless of where he’s training.

by Shaun32887 on Sep 17, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I didn’t think it so much after the Kampmann fight, as Carlos owned the standup in that one, and Kampmann is a great grappler. But after last night I’m wondering if he isn’t suffering from big fish/small pond syndrome. Who at ACS is better than him at anything besides wrestling? He needs to be training and particularly sparring, with top guys. More than anything else, it’s his movement and timing that have looked off in the UFC. He seems tentative, and isn’t setting up combinations very well. Ellenberger is obviously pretty good, but Carlos, even knowing Jake likes to swing for the fences early, couldn’t time him and control the pace early on. Instead, he got countered a few times, one of them a BIG right hand that could’ve ended the fight. With that said, Carlos still clearly won the second and third rounds, but he’s obviously got some work to do…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 17, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s maxed out at ACS, why is his wrestling still so poor?

by bigweeze on Sep 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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