Ranking The Ultimate Fighter 10: Heavyweights
by Nick Thomas on Sep 11, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
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PrintLeader of the Pack
1. Roy Nelson (13-4 MMA - 6'0 and 32 Years Old)
Full cast after the jump - rankings from FightMatrix.com and pictures from Sherdog.com.
Next Best Thing
2. Darrill Schoonover (10-0 MMA - 6'2 and 24 Years Old)
Solid Underdog Picks
3. Abe Wagner (6-2 MMA - 6'4 and 29 Years Old)
4. Justin Wren (6-1 MMA - 6'3 and 21 Years Old)
5. Kimbo Slice (3-1 MMA - 6'2 and 35 Years Old)
B-Squad
6. Mike Wessel (6-1 MMA 6'0 and 31 Years Old)
7. Zak Jensen (7-3 MMA - 6'5 and 26 Years Old)
8. Scott Junk (6-2-1 MMA - 6'1 and 30 Years Old)
9. Brendan Schaub (4-0 MMA - 6'6 and 26 Years Old)
Longshots
10. James McSweeney (3-4 MMA - 6'4 and 28 Years Old)
11. Wes Sims (20-12-1 MMA - 6'10 and 29 Years Old)
12. Marcus Jones (4-1 MMA - 6'6 and 35 Years Old)
Unknowns
13. Jon Madsen (1-0 MMA - 6'0 and 29 Years Old)
14. Wes Shivers (0-0 MMA - 6'7 and 32 Years Old)
15. Matt Mitrione (0-0 MMA - 6'3 and 30 Years Old)
16. Demico Rogers (0-0 MMA - 6'4" and 28 Years Old)
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i would be shocked if Roy Nelson doesn’t overwhelm all of his opponents.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
Dude needs to trim down and lose the gut. I am already tired of him playing the “People think I am just a fat guy, well I am here to prove that a fat guy can fight” card. We get you are fat, and you are good at fighting. But you fatness is getting in the way of your potential. Lose the fat, gain some good weight (i.e. muscle), and rematch Rothwell. Nelson should smash Rothwell and the fact that he didn’t only adds to my point.
I’ll be shocked if he does. Rankings just demonstrate proven quality, not talent, and HW is the easiest division to take talent and use it to fly up the rankings.
Shaub, Schoonover, or maybe Wren could potentially take Nelson out.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 11, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones too
dude has reach and hits really hard and Roy’s not the KO artist he needs to be to capitalize on Jones’ chin.
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True that. I was just listing the guys I thought were the biggest overall threats this season, but there are a few guys who might just get to Nelson stylistically.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 11, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo that high is shocking.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Nelson
Schoonover
Schaub
Wren
Kimbo
Wessel
Junk
Jones
Rogers
Sims
Madsen
Wagner
Jensen
McSweeney
Shivers
Mitrione
Just a very rough list from what I’ve seen and heard. Nelson is on top by default, but I’ll be surprised if he actually wins this season. As a talent he’s pretty much maxed out, and odds are good that one or more of the actual prospects on the season will make a huge jump.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 11, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m really unimpressed by the video I’ve seen of Jones. If he’s made big strides since those fights, he’ll be a lot higher.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 11, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, just watched both of the fights on youtube again. Jeez, every time someone lands a jab he looks unsteady. Unless this guy is a completely different fighter, he’s going to have some big problems.
agreed that he looked really bad
but his reach and his power might make him more dangerous than Kimbo standing. plus he’s training BJJ at a good camp which Kimbo isn’t. maybe i’m wrong. we’ll see.
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i disagree, Kimbo’s standup is actually pretty strong, if he didn’t always try to bullrush people.
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and in response to myself
Kimbo actually has a chance to do semi-well on the show… He HAD to learn something from Rutten, and in the amount of time he’s had to train… his hands were always there, its just the takedown defense needed and transitions on the floor he needs to work on
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But there was obviously
reasons why Rutten stopped training him. Like he was not truly serious about becoming a well rounded MMA fighter.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Rutten said he stopped training kevin because he couldn’t work with fighters that wouldn’t listen to him in their corner
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That is not the only reason.
There was an interview on BE where Bas said Slice was not taking it seriously.
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i didn’t remember that article, so my bad… In any case we’re sure to see Kimbo in at least 2 UFC fights so he may as well work on his ground game
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, if Bas don’t wanna roll with you then thats a big problem IMO. Kimbo is just chasing that money. I respect him for going on TUF but who is he fooling here? He won’t get 3 wins in the UFC. He’s just a sideshow to me. I don’t hate him but I dont like him. He’s just there…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 11, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Way too low. Should flip him with Kimbo at least.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 11, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for Roy
But if one of these guys has good hands and an excellent sprawl (even Kimbo) then he could definitely put up a good fight.
Kimbo had a good sprawl at the end of his last fight.
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by ufc4 on Sep 11, 2009 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 11, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is probably stupid but
who is that?
Kimbo's son
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 11, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is accurate but not that informative
These guys are so green that it’s really hard to gauge their abilities based on a very limited number of performances. Remember before Brock Lesnar entered the UFC he was 1-0 against a non-heavyweight. After his first fight in the UFC he was 1-1.
And yet he went on to beat three straight top 20 heavyweights and win the title.
Someone like Rogers may very well be a huge talent waiting to explode.
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Replace “informative” with “predictive,” and I agree.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 11, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If Wren
Isn’t in the finals I’ll be shocked. His actual record is 9 or 10 and 1 and the 1 loss he was so sick with pnemonia that the docs almost didn’t license him to fight. He won Greco nationals after only wrestling for 3 years. This kid is a beast.
by OKfighter on Sep 11, 2009 1:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This kid is a beast./blockquote>
There are several “beastly” talents this season. It may even be more talent laden than season 5. I fully expect the top 6 or so fighters from this season to be in the UFC for a while.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 11, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh fail.
This kid is a beast.
There are several "beastly" talents this season. It may even be more talent laden than season 5. I fully expect the top 6 or so fighters from this season to be in the UFC for a while.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 11, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Rankings aside
this is gonna be a helluva season for The Ultimate Fighter. looking forward to that and Kimbo’s mean steaks.
Depends
Are you talking long-term? Sometimes TUF losers get 1 more shot at a fight night or something. If you count them, I’d say over.
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
Over.
Nelson, Schaub, Wren, Schoonover, Kimbo, Rogers, Wessel, Jones, and Junk could all get a couple fights. Many will probably stick around longer.
by Michaelthebox on Sep 11, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate,
do you know anything about Schaub? He is young & looks like a huge dude.
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he trains with Nate Marquardt
Is a very highly regarded prospect. Fought for UWC, very impressive. Former NFL player.
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from what i’ve read he has a very good chance to win the show
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on who he faces
if he comes across a good wrestler with effective ground and pound could be in a world of hurt.
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depending on which team then
he could certainly learn a good amount of takedown defense.
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on whether he runs into any wrestlers
with good ground and pound. In the fight I saw Schaub was taken down fairly easily but he’s very tough to keep down. incredibly strong guy.
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ok rewatched the fight I saw live
Schaub has tons of power, very athletic, not a good wrestler.
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Well it sounds like he has
some good skills starting off then. Hopefully he can really work on his wrestling & then could become a force.
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its certainly going to be a problem
seeing as half the fighters are huge, wrestling based fighters
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
For sure.
Sounds like he has a punchers chance but if those big boys get him down, he aint getting back up. I dont know if he will do well on the show, but if he really works on his wrestling he can be someone to reckon with at his age & size.
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I would assume this is a definite. All fights on the show are sanctioned and scored by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, two rounds or not, so the winner if not both competitors in any given fights is going to get tested. The last thing the UFC wants is to have a contestant fail a drug test after they’ve beaten someone, so I assume they are tested prior to getting on the show and again before entering the house, to prevent anyone from failing a drug test on national television, which would probably be more of a bridge-burner than anything else anyone’s ever gotten kicked off the show for.
I was thinking that
but I was curious. A Diaz brother made it on and thru the entire show. I also would of had questions about other fighters but that makes sense.
Didn’t Drysdale try to get on, but the screening found a brain hemorrhage?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 11, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lol darrill schoonover is such a goofy looking guy. i hope him the best! its funny how the guys you would never expect to be fighters can throw down! (example) stephan bonnar looks like a young version of my dad and shit if i saw him on the street in a suite i would never think twice that he could wipe the floor with my body heh
Yeah,
if I saw Bonnar in a “suite” on the street I would not think twice about him either.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
eh i dunno though, bonnar is 6’3 and build pretty well, he doesnt look like a monster on TV but i’m sure in person he is a bigger guy, hes gotta walk around above 225 or 230
by Austin Martin on Sep 11, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo is ranked WAY TOO HIGH!
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Actually..
Thompson was the win that got him a few points.
BTW – #14,15, and 16 are in no particular order… since they have no pro records (what this is based on)
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by Screwface on Sep 11, 2009 4:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kimbo's rankings
Would Kimbo’s rankings be inflated if it was known that he’s got Jackson training him?
From what I have been able to find on video.....
It appears that none of them, aside from Nelson can take a stiff punch.
I ended up with Justin Wren in the TUF office pool that I am running. Not too bad of a pick.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Sep 11, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
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