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Anderson Silva's Dominance Produces a New Set of Interesting Questions

204080_mediumAnderson Silva wasn't lying when he stated that he's years ahead of the competition. At UFC 101 on Saturday, he showed the world exactly why he's one of the most feared strikers in the sport by dismantling former UFC Light Heavyweight champion Forrest Griffin in 3 minutes and 23 seconds. It looked to be a walk in the park for the UFC Middleweight champion. 

It was fairly evident in the week leading up to this tilt that Forrest Griffin was being highly over-valued as a legitimate challenger to Silva. While a lot of fans agreed that Griffin's size could be a legitimate problem, it almost works to every challenger's disadvantage in the light heavyweight division. Speed is what kills competition in MMA, and the same case is made in boxing as well. Unfortunately, Griffin didn't have the game plan to stifle that speed.

The battle showed a lot of weaknesses that we've seen in the past that analysts, writers, and fans suddenly forgot about in hyping up this match-up as an epic showdown that would push Silva to the edge. Griffin's chin has never been granite, and his striking has never been mentioned in the same sentence as world class. His grappling was a question, but he has shown an above average aptitude on the floor. He's mostly known for being a very tough, well-conditioned fighter, but did the UFC actually believe he could pull off the impossible?

In retrospect, it's evident that the bout was made to give Silva some sort of challenge. The UFC knew Griffin would move forward to press the action, and Silva capitalized on that problematic gameplan by Griffin. It's a win-win as Griffin wasn't truly the skillful athlete to defeat Silva, but as our poll here at BloodyElbow.com stated -- fans truly believed that Griffin could win that fight. Silva now looks extraordinarily unbeatable, and the UFC probably got a dream come true in the possibility of Silva vacating his middleweight title in order to make the jump to the light heavyweight division.

What happens now? Will Silva need to defend his title against Dan Henderson? It's definitely a somewhat intriguing second match-up between the two fighters as Henderson was able to put Silva on the floor, but I think fans are giving Henderson too much of a chance because he knocked out Michael Bisping. Bisping made huge mistakes in circling into Henderson's power. Silva won't ever do that, and I think he's way too quick for Henderson to even catch him with a powerful overhand.

The post UFC 101 press conference had a bit of news that's much more interesting. Anderson Silva will likely move up and potentially take on some very tough challengers. Who will Anderson Silva actually battle? Griffin is currently ranked #4 on our USA Today/SBN Consensus Rankings, so does that make the case that Silva could potentially take on fighters like Rashad Evans, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, and, for the right money, friend and equally mesmerizing fighter Lyoto Machida

 

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The other small issue in the back of everyone's mind revolves around Silva's contract. He is currently on a six-fight contract. His second fight under his contract was with Thales Leites. That would put Silva's next match-up as his fourth battle on his current contract. With all the rumors swirling regarding the Roy Jones Jr. bout possibly happening and quotes from Silva regarding a retirement down the road, there are some very strange things that could happen.

Silva cannot be a champion to leave his contract due to the champion's clause, and that becomes an issue if he truly wants to leave the UFC. With the move to the light heavyweight division, will it actually give Silva a reason to continue fighting? I think it does, but I also believe he will demolish the division with his speed and skill. The only real challenger to his greatness is Lyoto Machida. Even more of a problem, his dominance in the LHW ranks may turn his opponents into exact replicas of hesitant fighters like Thales Leites' performance against Silva. 

What then? Will Silva eventually move to heavyweight? Interestingly enough, that's one of the most intriguing prospects due to the challenge of the weight gain and retaining speed and conditioning. If Silva truly wants to test his mettle if he dominates the light heavyweight division, there is not a fan in MMA that wouldn't watch that progression. It's definitely a farce at this point, but who knows what could happen with such a skillful fighter in Silva.

Right now, the question becomes whether or not Machida can keep his title.. and if Silva would actually be willing to fight Machida. Dana White has stated that it's possible, and that match-up could be a true "best vs. best" battle that every fan of this sport should be chomping at the bit to see. The only problem with seeing Silva move to light heavyweight is that we won't see the potential for a Georges St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva battle. Will the UFC try to push it? I think it's a great battle, but seeing Silva's wizardry gives me the impression that GSP may have huge problems early trying to take down Silva. I'd still like to see it happen.

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Anderson Silva was scary last night. Thats all there is too it. Overvalued or not, Griffin is a double tough son of a bitch, former champion, who went the distance with Rampage. I’m confident that Silva can tear through the division, until he hits Machida…and at that point, it could either be the greatest fight of all time, or the biggest snoozefest we’ve ever seen. I doubt it would be two counterpunchers trying to counter the whole fight though, Anderson believe you have to take the title from the champ, and can’t just play your own game even if it dosen’t work.

Things just got interesting.

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by kyfm621 on Aug 9, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not ever going to give a fighter shit for owning a weight class

There are still challenges at 185 for Anderson (a resurgent Henderson, a dangerous Maia). I don’t get devaluing someone for utterly owning an entire division of competition. At that point, it becomes about longevity.

Anderson has won ten straight UFC fights. Think about that for a minute.

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by subo on Aug 9, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How is Henderson resurgent? I don’t get it. Bisping circled right into his power. He should have lost, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that Henderson is still a one-trick pony. Resurgent? He beat Bisping! Wow…

Maia is dangerous, but I find it hard to see how he even gets close to Silva. We’ll see I suppose. Also, how am I devaluing Silva?

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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I’m not convinced Maia will even get through Marquardt. And you nailed the Hendo thing right on the head, he’s just getting older, and not evolving, he will bring nothing new to the table, and will be destroyed.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by kyfm621 on Aug 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta admit I’m curious about Maia and Silva and Nate. Maia hasn’t showed much of a weakness yet and if he can get Silva to the ground (something he’s extremely skilled at) it would be fun to see Silva defend him. I think Marquardt would be interesting too. He’s improved quite a bit and I think he’d be really well prepared.

I have no desire to see Hendo again. Anderson will bide a little more time to avoid the takedown, and when there’s an inch of space he’d light him up. Lots of people have gotten Silva to the ground. Okami and Lutter for example. Hendo did next to no damage to him when he got him down there. A few small hammerfists, a lot of whiffs and misses and struggles. I’m not sure why people think it means that he’ll do well their next fight? He’s gotten older, and he didn’t even look that good against Bisping, he just threw a well-placed bomb and was lucky it connected as well as it did. The punch was dominating but not his performance.

by Dooda on Aug 9, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m interested to see someone with strong takedown defence vs Maia. I’ve yet to see his standing game tested at all.

by Cunny on Aug 9, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So much for Franklin and Toquinho?

I think resurgent was the wrong word, because he never went away. And it’s not like you to take a win away from someone because his opponent acted foolishly. He would have lost that fight no matter what.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was just saying…it’s Michael Bisping…who has he beaten, and what does beating him prove for Hendo? Franklin was a close fight, and Hendo couldn’t finish Toquinho…

But Leland isn’t taking the fight from Hendo, it’s just that when you are that big of a favorite, and you finally land that “big right hand” you’re know for…it’s not like he overcame a ton of adversity. But, if anyone is deserving of a shot right now, I suppose it is Henderson.

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by kyfm621 on Aug 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he’s the type of fighter who can beat Silva. I don’t find it intriguing. I think Maia has a chance, but a slim one.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's the last guy to win a round

A wrestler can always outwrestle his opponent – that’s why I think it’s intriguing. Plus Toquinho is a fucking ground wizard.

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by subo on Aug 9, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I don’t think he has what it takes to beat Silva, either (for the record, I don’t think anyone does).

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chonan, Azeredo, and Takase knew how

to beat him, and they are mediocre at best, so how’d they do it?

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...

This statement is laughable.

Chonan was being completely dismantled, and threw a miracle scissor kick flying heel hook to win. One of the most difficult submissions to ever try. Chonan didn’t KNOW how to beat Silva at all… he just got lucky by completely catching him off guard.

Give me a break.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL what is that?

my ten year still does that, hardly laughable because they DID beat him, no matter how much Silva love you have, all three of those bums beat him, it’s called facts, look it up, give me a break, explain the other two guys who have a combined LOSING record.

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never does anyone

mention the guys who beat him, maybe they did something different, styles I mean, the fact that they beat him is undeniable, Did all three get lucky? Takase has a losing record, lets stop looking at the guys he’s beaten like Leben, Fryklund, Leites, Irvin, Cote, all average if you ask me.

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find it hillarious that people get so offensive

if someone dare mentions the great Anderson in a light thats not constant worship.

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well here’s the thing: fighters IMPROVE. It’s VERY possible that by training with the elite fighters he trains with today — guys that he didn’t train with back in the PRIDE days — Anderson has been refining his style and eliminating his weaknesses, such that those fighters today would get embarrassed by him.

by madiq on Aug 9, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is...

You shouldn’t have to explain this.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But why can't it even be mentioned?

On Cagepotato, mmaopinion, mmaroot, people actually address this exact topic, AND, no one seems to have angry answers, when I bring it up here, because it seems relevant-due to his popularity, someone gets upset somehow. If some other champions former fights are brought up-like Machida and Ortiz for example people discuss and thats it, easy there blackout, leland, no offense.

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy there?

Dude, you’re losing your marbles. I’ve said probably nine words to you…

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same thing could be said of you

Why do you get so upset about it? Who cares? Are you completely offended by this?

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by dedstrk316 on Aug 9, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why we need a de-rec button.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendo has a chance like Griffin had a chance..

The odd’s of those chances making it to fruition are less and less likely than the odd’s of Silva putting a repeat of the first encounter..

Not to take anything away from Hendo or any MW fighter for that matter.. But realistically speaking, Anderson “has” wiped out the division.. The only person he hasn’t fought is Maia.. You now have Wandy & Belfort coming in.. But at the same time it’s almost like, too little too late.. The Belfort match is the only one I could get excited for to be honest, because styles make fights and Belfort has the power and hand speed to hang with Silva on the feet.. So I could understand that match.. Hendo did win a round, but he didn’t “win” an honest round.. Hendo offered nothing to Silva in their first fight, other than “holding” him down and covering his mouth. The minute Silva decided he had enough he came out and turned it on and put him away like he does everyone else.. Nobodies ever really won a round in the regards of truly winning a round.. Silva has never been pushed or challenged in the last 3 years… Lutter & Hendo both got him down .. Lutter had a brief mount but did nothing with it, no damage what so ever.. Hendo did nothing but lay on him and hold him down.. Eventually you’re going to have to stand back up and at which point you’re not likely to be favored in winning the exchanges there..

Silva has cemented his legacy.. He doesn’t get motivated by what’s out there at 185 anymore.. He feel’s a bigger challenge at 205 and see’s bigger pay days ahead there as well… Let him go out swinging on his own terms.. He’s either going to win out these next 3 and be considered the best fighter ever in the UFC or he’ll get upset in a fight and be considered “one of the best ever”.. Either way he has paved his way and cemented himself as the best fighter in the UFC thus far.. His win record says a lot about the guy & the fact that he tied the record for most consecutive title defenses at 5 ranks him among the top 2 fighters to ever do that beside Tito..

by MMAuthority on Aug 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again

I wasn’t arguing that Henderson would win that fight, or even has a chance. I’m arguing his legitimacy separate of any prospects of defeating Anderson Silva.

Also, at the risk of sounding like a jerk, but politely insisting that I’m not trying to be… I really like your posts and point of view, but you type a shit-ton of words. I skip a lot of your stuff because of that. Take it or leave it. Sorry if this seems rude, but I thought it would be constructive.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

i think his shit is generally thoughtful analysis, not bloated bullshit which is typical on forums.

a person can type 2 lines about “so and so would beat so and so” and I don’t give a shit.

by chimps on Aug 9, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re missing the point. I read a lot of the comments and I don’t have the patience to read someone’s opinion when it’s as long as his often are. I didn’t say he’s not thoughtful or intelligent, but it’s my opinion that bite sized comments that allow for some back and forth are preferable. He doesn’t have to appease me, or anyone else for that matter, but I thought I’d let him know that that’s how I feel and it’s possible other people do too. No big deal..

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree, I generally skip over walls of text, regardless of who writes them.

by Foxskinrug on Aug 9, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i find i agree with your analysis almost every time- now that im off your nuts, what do you think about rampage having perhaps the best chance to beat silva in the LHW division? I am a big machida fan, but their styles are similar, and silva just has better quicks and athleticism- i think page’s hands, tough chin and power could do it, but maybe im just fooling myself.

by chimps on Aug 9, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is just rediculous.

Henderson’s first round against Silva was nothing at all like Griffin’s. Where Griffinlooked totally lost and got KO’d, Henderson dominated Silva in the first round.

by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Henderson. He just swung that right again and again until it caught Bisping. Not much skill was shown.

by Cunny on Aug 9, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And apparently even less by Bisping?

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by BJJDenver on Aug 9, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I don’t know what to do with comments like that. Like Hendo had to do a flying heel hook or a reverse triangle to properly emerge victorious?

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Hendo didn’t need to use to much skill to wreck Bisping’s nonexistent gameplan.

by Cunny on Aug 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s more like it.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned this above, but I agree that Hendo didn’t look that great. I was more in awe that Bisping was okay with circling into it. You’d think that was the top of his list of no-nos. It was a dominant powerful punch, but his overall performance didn’t make me think “oh man, he’s ready to take on Spider with that stuff.”

by Dooda on Aug 9, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing in a fight with Bisping would make you think that. I’m not seeing the point.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t usually try and make ‘points’. I’ll guess I’ll try. If Hendo looked like he was the man against Bisping and completely dominated him I’d be more intrigued with what he could do to Silva. What he did wasn’t that impressive. He just connected with a big punch (okay maybe it was impressive, but his overall fight wasn’t that impressive).

by Dooda on Aug 9, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really want to find out more about Machida and Anderson’s past. They don’t train together that often from what I understand, but Anderson is vehemently opposed to fighting Machida.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I want to see Anderson v. Rampage. Anderson needs to fight a 205’er with the power to knock him out.

The only way I see him losing to anybody but Machida right now is by getting caught with a clean power shot. Rampage is one of the few guys who could even have a shot at pulling it off.

by Chooch on Aug 9, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember when MMA fans were criticizing Anderson Silva for his performance against Cote and Leites.....

And NOW look at what many fans are talking about. There are those that feel that Anderson can beat Lesnar, and others who say he’ll beat Fedor at HEAVYWEIGHT. Anderson Silva NEEDS to be challenged, but besides Machida or moving to Heavyweight, no one is honestly a challenge for him. I found a fight between Anderson and Belfort to be intriguing, but after Anderson dominated Griffin, I find it less appealing (unless Belfort just destroys Franklin). I would be interested in seeing Randy Couture vs Anderson Silva, but I expect Anderson to beat him.

by chrisbboy82 on Aug 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anderson Silva should fight a tank. Not Tank Abbot but an actual tank, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade style.

Keep firing Assholes!

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

by Ubernoober on Aug 9, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as far as I’m concerned Tank Abbott is an actual Tank. Only if he can wear wrestling shoes. And Aoki Pants. Thats a good look for him.

by crinow on Aug 9, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to go throw up now.

Keep firing Assholes!

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

by Ubernoober on Aug 9, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i kind of think this excuses Cote and Leites a little

They seemed to have had a much smarter game plan than Forrest. Cote especially with his in-and-out striking. Of course it make for tremendously boring fights but they didn’t end up with a dislocated jaw and without hearing in one ear.

by mason_beer on Aug 9, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Leites pulling ghost guard a dozen times and hitting Silva zero times in 25 minutes was a work of genius.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

i'm not saying it would work

but betting on a chance to catch him on the ground first rushing forward like an idiot seems to be a lot smarter.

by mason_beer on Aug 9, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of these things worked=equally futile.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can’t lay down waiting for the opponent to do something that doesn’t make sense and call it a gameplan. And a badly executed bad gameplan is still better than no gameplan at all no?

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To play devil’s advocate, what makes it o.k. that Silva does that same tactic standing? He waits for people to attack him and then counters, the same tactic as flopping to guard, except that people HAVE to oblige on the feet, but not on the ground.

by CliChe Guevara on Aug 9, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree. He is a counter puncher yes, but he isn’t standing there waiting for a punch either. In the leites fight, he did pushed the pace at some point, not enough, but he didn’t wait for leites to do everything for him either.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

People have never accused Silva of running. He’s ready to fight if his opponent is.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ghost guard gets a rec. My parlay of Leites, Barncat and Penn will go down in infamy.

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by subo on Aug 9, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owned by split decisions.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it could have been worse, you could have bet on the fight stopped by cut from a headbutt or one of Miragliotta’s standard fuckups.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. I wish I could know what fights he’ll ref in advance.

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by subo on Aug 9, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almeida, Pellegrino, and Penn was the proper parlay.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 9, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silva, Penn, Almeida worked pretty well too.

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by Rundownloser on Aug 9, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The parlay with Pellegrino undoubtedly paid out better.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Aug 9, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol you didn’t enjoy him flopping on his ass continually?

by chimps on Aug 9, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I loved it

Anderson beat the shit out of his foot.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cote got hit a decent amount and didn’t flinch. granite chin.

by crinow on Aug 9, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) Styles make fights. That is why Forrest got Munson’d last night, why Leites and Cote were boring, etc… The problem is, we don’t know what style is going to solve Silva yet.

2) I think Marquardt, Henderson, Maia, Okami are all viable opponents at 185

3) Considering 2, the more compelling fights are definitely at LHW.

4) I think Silva would retire before he would fight Machida.

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by BJJDenver on Aug 9, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

AND...

Let’s give Machida a chance to even defend his belt. I’m not saying he won’t, but let’s see what happens down the road.

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by BJJDenver on Aug 9, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Munson’d out in the middle of nowhere?

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by Day Man on Aug 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reced for

The kingpin reference. love it!

by j19bill on Aug 9, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simple solution, Machida to HW and anderson to LHW.. their skills make up for their size

by pandaboy99 on Aug 9, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why do we need a solution? What the hell is wrong with Silva being MW champ and Machida being LHW champ?

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by Warhand on Aug 9, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What’s wrong is dana and A.Silva are considering a permanent move to LHW.
Maybe you should consider reading some of today’s news.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"he UFC probably got a dream come true in the possibility of Silva vacating his middleweight title in order to make the jump to the light heavyweight division."

Wow! That seems like a long shot possibility. Why would Silva do this? To fight Machida? Word is that Silva won’t fight Machida. A catch weight bout against GSP at 180-183 seems more likely and that doesn’t seem too likely at all. I say bring on Marquardt if he gets past Maia. The occasional jump to 205 is fun but not the future of Silva’s career.

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by Warhand on Aug 9, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think he should stay at 185 and move up for fights at his leisure. There are fights at 185 that are more intriguing than those at 205. Maia/Marquardt/Okami/Henderson/Belfort/Akiyama etc.

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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long shot possibility? It’s already basically happening if you read the post-fight press conference quotes from Soares and Silva.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch the post fight press conference, the news, the fanpost…

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Got it! Epic Failure on my part. I don’t like the idea at all. But I seriously thought Leland was super high when he wrote this. Obviously this is the first thing that I read this morning.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Aug 10, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silva’s new deal gets him a cut of the PPVs.

He’ll sell more PPVs fighting name 205 pounders than he would defending his belt.

It would be nice to establish that he’s going to be going for the belt before making the move official, but he and Dana have to do what’s in everyone’s best interests. If he moves up, anderson and Zuffa sell more PPVs, and the MW division becomes more exciting.

by Phildo on Aug 9, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's say Silva does move up to 205 full time...

Wouldn’t the new MW champ have an “asterisk” next to his name?

by steveoc24 on Aug 9, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just have Machida cut to MW, and he and Anderson can exchange belts.

"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday

by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fighters have vacated the title without losing it before. Baby Jay did it himself I believe.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Aug 9, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he vacates his belt and moves to lhw he’s finishing his contract up and moving on. Silva wants to retire but cant cause of his champions clause and this is the perfect way to get out of it

by Yasnian on Aug 9, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

For accurately recreating many casual fans’ perspective.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In this game Silva got no reach and Machida no punching power. Booo.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My brother beat Machida on the first try but lost to Rashad, Rampage and Wand. I head-kicked Tito to sleep in the 2nd and he never even shot on me. You can win the belt without learning how to grapple. It’s a very realistic game.

Also, rec’d.

"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday

by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also beat him with a BJJ/Boxing guy named Leland Roling.... simply amazing

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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard GSP slept like a baby this night.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

forest is not an mma fighter!

no subs, no ko power, no boxing skills, and no wrestling pedigree, how does that make him an mma fighter ? if he is a brawler then he’s better off in a bar. guys coming out of ultimate fighters, especially the ones without a significant mma background expect to spend some weeks under some questionable coach, step into the cage with fighters like silva, penn, and machida ?those guys have been training in some discipline off mma since childhood! doesnt make any sense, ufc should retool their requirements for potential candidates for the ultimate fighter.

by realblood33 on Aug 9, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh...

that is all

by Grappo on Aug 9, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robert Drysdale said Forrest is one of the best guys he’s ever rolled with, I’ll take his opinion of Forrest’s ground game over yours.

We’re forgetting, Silva makes anyone who steps in the cage with him look like an amateur. Forrest is a decent fighter, something just snapped (possibly due to the multiple knockdowns) that caused him to revert to brawling.

To say that he’s not an MMA fighter is being a little ridiculous.

by Shaun32887 on Aug 9, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

YEah

It was his jaw that snapped.

"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"

by dedstrk316 on Aug 9, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we

get an option next to rec. Maybe call it uniformed fanboy or attempting to troll so we can flag these post.

by Riney on Aug 9, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think something is a troll, click flag, select troll from the drop down menu, and type your reason for flagging it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forrest was the goddamn UFC Light Heavyweight champion last year.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 9, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't anyone else

think last nights fight was just a little too odd? Forrest spent 5 rounds with possible the hardest puncher in the LHW division, yet got KO’d by basically a hard slap? I’m sure if I say this smells fishy, the Silva backers will immediately attack.

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Anderson fought a smarter fight than Rampage did.

by madiq on Aug 9, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re probably not going to last long with this uber-abrasive attitude.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

I’ve been posting on this site for more than a day, and never have people respond like you.

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is referring to this:
I’m sure if I say this smells fishy, the Silva backers will immediately attack.

It sends the signal you are preparing for a fight.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jeez

just saying If I bring up anything about Silva (And I own every UFC-up to 95, and Pride video) so I’ve seen almost all his fights, and it’s not non stop praise, why would someone get offended? if no one plays devils advocate once in a while won’t things get a but one sided?

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certain people have posted the same contrary view over and over and once people started calling them on always bringing it up they then always bring up that they were called on it as if they were being victimized rather than just told to stop spouting the same shit over and over. The bit I quoted really reminds me of that person, and I am not gonna name names. It just gets annoying.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People argue on here all the time

about some silly stuff sometimes, I spent over two years checking out this site before actually posting, and almost always say non argumentative stuff, Mostly just agree, or laugh at peoples comments.

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People don’t like it when you interrupt their Silva worship.

Don’t talk during church.

by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uber?????

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Keep firing Assholes!

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

by Ubernoober on Aug 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can almost guarantee Silva hits harder than Rampage.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully

disagree, and so would Chuck, and Wandy

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck might, but Wanderlei has been hit by both of them. It is just physiology. The hardest hitters in combat sports are almost always the thing rangy guys with long arms.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you’re wrong.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can almost guarantee he is more precise, but do not hit harder.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to be clear. Obviously with his strenght and his precision, in the end he obtains better results, wich is what matter.

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rampage hits harder, so does hendo.

rampage hits harder, there is no argument there, but you can say that silva is more technical and accurate.

by realblood33 on Aug 9, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gee, do ya think that if you had a dislocated jaw early in the fight, you might get knocked silly a bit easier than if you didn’t? It’s kind of like not having your mouthguard in and taking a big shot- much easier to get concussed. But instead you say the fight “was a just a little too odd” and not so slyly support the nonsense that forrest somehow took a dive?

Might you work for M-1 or strikeforce? Because someone who pretends to have all of this mma knowlege, even-gasp-loving pride as you say you do, must surely have a bit more common sense than you have shown with your trolling.

by chimps on Aug 10, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanna flag you, flag you, you already knoooow…!

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fighter bashing

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. That’s a warning.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 9, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't look like a Tanaka.

by spectaa on Aug 9, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I like dags.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least we agree that this movie

kicks ass

Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?

by Big Boob Lover on Aug 9, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you understand a single word that he just said, Tommy?

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by Leland Roling on Aug 10, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silva

i agree, i like hendo, he is a damn good fighter, but everyone saying how great he did against anderson the last time are fooling themselves- he just lnp’d and put his hand over silva’s mouth in that first round. No way he can win a 5 round decision with lnp against silva, and i do think he has the best chance in the MW division. I like Maia, but the BJJ enthusiasts are fooling themselves if they think he wouldn’t get lit up quick, unless he tries a leites strategy of flopping on his ass, and Maia is more aggressive than that.

I’m a machida fan, and i dont think that the ufc should force friends and teammates to fight each other. I like the team aspect of the sport. Now if they both agree to fight bc it is financially worth their while, then that’s fine.

Personally, while machida is a great fighter, i don’t think he has the speed and reflexes of silva. He has great timing, great accuracy, good reflexes, but silva’s athleticism is on a higher level. It would be a KO for anderson unless they decided to counter and dance all nite, and i don’t think that would happen.

I think that Rampage would have a shot against silva- great chin, great hands, good head movement, great power.

by chimps on Aug 9, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great Write-Up
Silva c on thatapitalized

Grammar Nazi Alert!!!

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by themachiavellian on Aug 9, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I don’t know the hell that happened.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a copy/paste mistake.

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by themachiavellian on Aug 10, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor who???

Thanks Spider… Sometimes it feels so good to forget.

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by MMArazorback on Aug 9, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

why not mousasi ?

what is the ufc waiting for ? for silva to retire ? fans wanna see mousasi in the cage with anderson, period. gegard is fighting babalu next, then sokoudgu, but they should get the contract signed, maybe we can see that fight in 2010.

by realblood33 on Aug 9, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we have Gergard beat someone in the top ten before we start clamoring for this?

by VegasBatman on Aug 9, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t wanna hear that it’s impossible. Bring us Cung Le!

by Kwisatz Haderach on Aug 10, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overvalued?

Now don’t get me wrong, I’ve been watching the UFC since a little before TUF started, and like most, I’ve watched Forrest grow from a guy who came one the show to the man he is today, but to say he is overvalued is a grossly incorrect statement. If he is overvalued, what do we say about Rampage, or even Shogun. Say what you will about the Rampage fight, but the fact is he got the best of him, and he submitted Shogun, at the time the widely regarded best LHW in the world? I think what was proven on Saturday night was that Anderson Silva is just that damned good, and very deserving of his P4P title. If he can dominate two different divisions he is possibly the best fighter in the world at any weight category, and yes that includes the god like Fedor as well.

by proflex on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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