UFC 101 Aftermath: Are Anderson Silva and B.J. Penn Too Dominant?
The morning after two utterly dominant performances by UFC champs Anderson Silva and B.J. Penn all the chatter is focused on what can the UFC do to keep fans interested in such dominant fighters?
Michael David Smith says this is an era of dominating champions:
It says that there's never been a time when the UFC has better champions than right now. Penn and Silva, along with welterweight champion Georges St Pierre, light heavyweight champion Lyoto Machida and heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar, appear to be just about unstoppable in the Octagon.
But when you look at these UFC champions, you just see five guys who are just about pefect at what they do. Penn, St. Pierre, Silva and Machida have nearly flawless styles. Lesnar is a physical freak of nature. When will one of these guys be beaten?
Ben Fowlkes talks about Anderson Silva and just how good he is:
Dana White and Anderson Silva parried at the post-fight press conference about the possibility of Anderson Silva vs Lyoto Machida, per Sherdog:But the way Silva fought on Saturday night there are very few fighters in any weight class who wouldn't have appeared similarly outclassed. "The Spider" slipped punches as if it were part of a choreographed dance and struck with violent precision whenever he saw even the slightest opening.
After two lackluster title defenses at middleweight, Silva used the move up in weight classes to show that, when he cares to be, he's still the most dominant fighter in the sport.
"These two are friends," White said, quick to remark on the matter before Silva. "It has nothing to do with friendship. It’s about who’s the best. It’s about competing against somebody else, no different than a basketball game or a football game. If Anderson gets to that point where he starts taking out 205-pounders, I’ll make that fight. I promise you, I’ll make that fight."
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Silva answered in Portuguese, which Soares translated: "Lyoto’s my friend. He’s my brother, and there’s no way that fight will happen." There was a pause for laughter and to take account of the gamesmanship between fighter and promoter. "And also not just because (Lyoto’s) my friend. (Lyoto would) be a big problem for me."
One has to wonder what Rich Franklin thinks about the prospect of Anderson Silva moving up to light heavyweight. Might be time for Rich to cut some muscle weight and go get his old belt back.
Dave Meltzer speculates that the only two interesting fights on the horizon for Anderson Silva are his teammate Lyoto Machida and one other fighter he isn't likely to get to face:
...Silva's challenges may be at heavier weight classes.
The most obvious one would be Silva’s teammate, current light heavyweight champion Lyoto Machida...
Another fight that has been quietly speculated about would be one that, due to the nature of the business, can’t happen, with heavyweight kingpin Fedor Emelianenko.
Sadly, that fight is even less likely to happen than Anderson Silva vs Lyoto Machida. Just another reason for the fans to hate Vadim Finkelstein and M-1 Global.
Meanwhile, Kevin Iole sings the praises of B.J. Penn:
What Penn proved Saturday is the same thing he proved in 2008 when he destroyed Sean Sherk and Joe Stevenson in lightweight bouts: There may be bigger men alive who can defeat him, and some who could defeat him handily, but there are no men his size at this point who can defeat him.
...Penn remains superior to any lightweight alive. He's an elite boxer, he is even better with his jiu-jitsu and he has great takedown defense.
Franklin McNeil talks about what is next for Penn:
Beating Florian is just the beginning. There are many lightweights eager to take his crown: Gray Maynard, Frankie Edgar and Diego Sanchez, who is likely to get the next crack at Penn.
"The great thing about the 155-pound division is how stacked it is," White said. "And I think Diego Sanchez is probably next in line for a title shot against B.J. It's a great fight."
The buildup will be great. Sanchez is a confident fighter who has been campaigning for a title shot since moving down to lightweight this year. Sanchez (23-2-0) has fought twice at 155 pounds and has looked impressive, but he will have all kinds of problems with the Penn who fought last night.
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If Spider
is saying that Machida would pose problems for him, how good is Machida?
I have always been a Penn nutthugger, I don’t see him losing at 155. He could get bored and get caught but if he trains the 155 class is his.
I don’t like Anderson at LHW. If he starts a run thru the LHW class we will not get to see some of the great matches for Machida. All we would get is Anderson killing off the top contenders.
I honestly think that as big and fast as Anderson was last night he would beat Fedor. His striking is very very crisp/powerful/accurate. I was amazed at how the size difference wasn’t that much between Anderson and Forrest. I have heard that Forrest and Fedor are about the same size.
If he gives up his belt I can only hope he leaves the UFC and seeks out Strikeforce and Fedor. Forget RJJ, fight Fedor so we can but an accurate label on his current level. I don’t think M-1 would ever allow this fight though.
I think Anderson could be put on a parallel track
let him have some big money matches against non-contenders — Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture
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by Day Man on Aug 9, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Chuck would be in a wheelchair.
Jenna would leave the arena with Spider cause he fucks on the 1st date.
AARP would sue Anderson for elderly abuse.
But I like the idea.
by Riney on Aug 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate to disagree, but those fights just aren’t intriguing. All of those are bad fights, but I wonder if the casual fanbase is dumb enough to accept those as legitimate.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad blood fueled that.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva Vs Liddel shouldn’t happen. I could see the AC stepping in to stop that one.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Chuck would be dead...
I don’t think anyone really wants to see that. Seriously, short of Silva coming in with 2 broken ankles, how is Chuck supposed to win that?
Let’s slow down on the Machida as a dominant champion. The man has defended the UFC LHW belt as many times as I have.
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He is dominant though. Dominant champion has yet to be seen.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He has been very dominant, but defending the title is a whole other can of worms. Plus Shogun will win this fight so the dominant champ talk is a tad premature.
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Assume much? Tell me what makes you think Shogun will win? That seems far more premature a statement.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I think Shogun has a more impressive record, I think Machida’s chin and BJJ haven’t been tested. And styles make fights and a man who can drop Machida with striikes and then use BJJ to either submit or frustrate Machida is the perfect opponent to crack a counter strikers timing. I also think it’s possible Machida wins but when i play the fight out in my head Shogun is the winner.
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IMO
Liddell, Coleman, Noguiera, Arona, Jackson, Overeem > Evans, T. Silva, Ortiz, Soko,Heath, Hoger
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You think he has a more impressive record and that certain things of Machida’s haven’t been tested? Fair enough, you answered my question.
Styles do make fights, and Machida’s control of distance and timing, along with using straight punches are pretty much tailored to beat Shogun’s style of powerful but wild strikes, mainly using hooks. In the clinch I think Shogun probably has more of a chance, but Machida’s control of balance is something I do not think he can overcome. As far as ground game goes, that is even more of a question, but do not sleep on Machida’s ground ability.
I see this fight going with Machida controlling the distance and timing Shogun’s aggression and punishing him when he moves forward. If it ends up in a clinch Shogun probably lands some shots before Machida breaks off or dumps him on his ass. Machida probably avoids the ground game. The only wrinkle in this might be Shogun landing a leaping left hook. Machida has shown some vulnerability to shots like this, and his chin has been tested by them and he has passed.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Comparing Lesnar to the other UFC Champs is embarassing. It’s simple UFC nuthugging.
by ludakrish on Aug 9, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How so? His wrestling is very very strong and his physical abilities are unmatched by any other fighter in the world.
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He’s had 5 fights and you’re comparing him to the likes of Anderson Silva, GSP and Penn? Why does everybody assume that there’s nobody around that can beat him? I’d be very interested in seeing a Lesnar v. Carwin fight. Carwin’s size and wrestling would make it an interesting bout. I might even give Carwin the edge given how vicious a striker he is.
Four of his fights have been against legitimate competition and he has looked dominant in all four. I know he can be beaten as we saw what Mir was able to do in their first fight but Lesner also has been improving every fight. He establishing a dominant position, controls his opponent and takes very few risks and is still able to inflict massive damage. I think that strategy poses a HUGE problem for any HW fighters. I’m very stoked for a possible Carwin fight but Carwin’s wrestling while solid doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that he would be able to avoid being put on his back and systematically pounded into hamburger meat.
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ludakrish is stating that the comparison is off. It is a bit because we’re comparing their styles vs. their records, and Lesnar isn’t completely proven just yet. You can make the case, but Lesnar has a few more tests. GSP and Silva really don’t. Not without moves out of the division.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Bah. Carwin has got nothing on Brock...
..except a chiseled Physique.
Brock’s chiseled Physique has a Chiseled Physique; heck, even his cock-sword looks buff.
Would you rather he had beat 10 cans before these first other fights? Fine lets just call him14-1. No one but the cream of the crop stands a chance with Brock, there was no point for him to start at the bottom.
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Actually I’d rather him face:
1. A striker with one-punch KO power
2. A great wrestler who may be able to stuff his takedowns
3. Someone close to his size
4. Someone durable and known for his ability to take punishment
5. A younger, quicker, fighter with less mileage on him.
Any of those stylistic tests would make Lesnar more of a proven commodity.
Because Randy Couture isn’t durable.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
although I agree with you
Madiq has a point…
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Dominant?!?
BJ Penn beat Kenny Florian but he didn’t dominate Florian. Most of the fight was spent against the cage in the clinch.
Lyoto did not defend his title once!!
Brock Lesnar just unified the HW, he didn’t defend his title once
Exciting victories don’t equal dominant champions.
Here’s a situation where journalist are just too excited and drinking way too much coffee or smoking something. THE ONLY dominant UFC champions at the present moment are:
1. Anderson Silva (1st) the most title defenses. Beating a former LHW champs counts to some degree.
2. GSP has defended his belt. Beating the LW champion is ok, but not great.
3. BJ Penn only has 2 title defenses at this point.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar defended his title
Mir was the interim. Come on..
And Penn absolutely dominated Florian. What fight were you watching?
I STILL poop rainbows.
Some folks like Couture was arguing that they would give Florian round 3.
But it doesn’t matter he only has 2 title defenses
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh snap
Winning one of four rounds won’t get you a cupcake, much less a fight. He got dominated.
I STILL poop rainbows.
clinching for 2.5 rounds was total domination
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that Florian stalled round 1 through round 3.
Did Penn beat him in the clinch while Florian was controlling him against the cage?!?
Grinding his shoulders into Penn’s body?!?
Domination – not so much.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Domination = one sided. BJ was never, ever in trouble.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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So… how about that Anderson Silva character?
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Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
That’s the last time I take pity on a serviceman while drunk.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicely done
God, this sucks. And you took advantage of me during a DREAM show.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Excuses, excuses.
I’m going to start calling you BJ for all of your excuses.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
I’M PIMPING THE DAMN LOGO AREN’T I
I didn’t know I had to be fucking happy about it, too
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m laughing at your misfortune right now. Just wanted you to know that.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
It’s only fair – I enjoyed yours
I don’t even know if I want to renew this for 102 or not.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not like things could get any worse for you.
I have;
Randy
Keith
Chris
Nate
Vera
Those are the ones I feel confident enough to bet on.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
OoO
I wish Vera was still fighting Hamill and while I love Maia I can’t bet against Colorado MMA fighters.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How about UFN 19?
I gots
Maynard
Diaz
Condit
Quarry
Stout
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Perhaps – I’m definitely losing this shit between 102 and then so we can both be happy for a change.
I think Guillard has a definite shot.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I have Diaz, you have Guillard.
Same terms as before?
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
If you think I’m going to make a bet under this kind of emotional duress, then you think very little of me.
I’ll get back to you.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine. Go have a good cry, review the KC draft picks, and then get back to me.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
You’re going to enjoy this, aren’t you
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Okay dude, you can keep this little thought in your mind as some small consolation.
I STILL poop rainbows.
like I said, in the end it doesn’t really matter.
He has only 2 title defense as the current LW champion.
Dominant champion?? . . . not as much as GSP or Anderson Silva.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing the point
The argument suggest these guys don’t have many/any real threats to their crowns, not that they’ve defended their titles a dozen times each. How is everyone missing this?
I STILL poop rainbows.
I don’t know. I agree with you on this one BO ;-)
by CliChe Guevara on Aug 9, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he did beat him in the clinch. He stopped the takedown fairly easily. That’s a win in my book. He didn’t take barely any damage. Dominating.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want to know about those scratches on him, he had a pretty big one on the side of his neck. Normally he is pristine.
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Winning one out of four rounds in a fight you got finished*
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I think there is a difference between having a dominant reign as champion and being a dominant fighter who is the champion. The UFC is currently in the later position in all of their weight classes.
The last time any of their champions was in trouble while fighting in their weight class was when Mir subbed Brock in his second fight. Other wise its been a very dominant showing from every single one of those guys. Machida has never lost a round, Anderson maybe lost one (I don’t think he lost the first round of the Hendo fight), GSP has crushed everyone since he got KO’d by Serra, Penn completely outclassed every LW fighter put in his way and Brock has look dominant in his fights as well.
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by Day Man on Aug 9, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t mention Machida in my reply because I believe he has yet to prove himself as being dominant. Dominance doesn’t mean beating everybody into a pulp. Let’s be honest – Florian didn’t look like he would win the fight at any point of time. He has lost only one match at 155 to a very game Pulver back in 2002. It doesn’t look like anybody’s beating him any time soon. And don’t forget the UFC didn’t have a lightweight title for 4 years (2002-2006).
Machida has dominated everyone he has fought in the UFC. He’s getting more dominant the higher he climbs on the food chain.
It’s still technically up in the air whether he will be a dominant champion, but does anyone really believe that the Rua who barely beat Mark Coleman is going to present any sort of threat to Machida? Hell, I know how it turns out and I’d still rather put money on Griffin. Give me the name of anyone who could beat Machida at LHW.
Personally I think Shogun is underrated. Hes just getting back in shape as a fighter coming off major knee injuries and is a legitimate LHW title contender. That being said I still think Machida finishes that fight in the second round.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up being a contender. He isn’t now and I’d like to see him beat up somebody who wasn’t born in the 60s before he got a title shot.
I use contender as in hes one of the most dangerous fighters in the division and while his UFC resume isn’t very impressive he was considered the best LHW in the world less than two years ago.
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I agree, I think people are acting like he came over from Pride and just looked horrible. People seem to forget he blew out the same knee twice, which not too long ago would mean early retirement.
by CliChe Guevara on Aug 9, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re kidding me, right? Most of the fight was Florian TRYING to tire BJ with his clinch work on the fence, except he could gain the clinch and he wasn’t tiring out BJ by leaning on him. Terrible gameplan, and Florian did get DOMINATED.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to take into account that it happened after Anderson clowned Forrest. Anything immediately after that will not seem dominant.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Oh, it was dominant as hell. I find it hilarious that people feel Florian’s terrible leaning on the fence was a tiring tactic.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It probably wasn’t a bad idea, but after the first two tries in which BJ’s balance ultimately stuffed it… he should have tried somehting else. What that something else is… I don’t know.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Florian’s huge problem was that he made NO attempt to adjust or alter his gameplan. Florian was working a flawed and failed gameplan and kept working it even though it wasn’t working. I will say that Florian did better than most lightweights that I have seen Penn against, but it is not saying much. Also, when did Kenny Florian decide to become a wrestler? He tried to smother and wrestle Penn which has never been a big strength of Florian’s.
Joe was the one going nuts over Florian’s strategy. Mike didn’t seem too impressed.
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last nite was scary…anderson made forrest look like an amatuer. i just wonder who out there has a chance at beating him? interesting about anderson abandoning his mw belt possibly, could this be so that he isnt locked into the champion clause after his contract is over?
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I was thinking that...
he was planning on retiring very soon and he is at the prime of his career. Imagine if he moved to Strikeforce for one fight vs. Fedor?
Not happening. He would have to spend a year in court.
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Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Randy had to because of the championship clause. There UFC can’t do anything to keep Anderson Silva around once his contract is up. Plus, given how nice he was to DW at the presser, it looks like things can only go south from here.
3 fights left, 1 fight every 6 months, 18 months left in Silva’s proposed UFC career. Strikeforce will either be dead or out of the Fedor business by that time.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’d say closer to 3-4 months between fights if Silva has any say in it
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Silva may have to wait 6 months in between fights for 205ers willing to fight him.
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I certainly wouldn’t take that fight. By the way, did everyone else see Rampage shitting all over Forrest on twitter after the fight?
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Rampage said he didn’t even want the rematch anymore after watching Forrest.
http://twitter.com/Rampage4real
He said he was just joking but it was pretty cold.
For me I’d much much much rather see Rampage-Spider
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what DW is around for. I can see him kicking some asses to get Silva a fight. But Rampage, Rashad and maybe even Tito would make some interesting fights, and I’m sure none of them would turn it down.
Rampage fought Wanderlei twice when he was at the peak of his reign on terror, I don’t see him being afraid on Anderson Silva.
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Wanderlie would get Murdered
He would not be scared but take a look at his fight against Rich Franklin. I know MMA-Math doesn’t work so much but also take a look at what Anderson did to Henderson.
Wanderlie pride and willingness to exchange will be his demise against Anderson Silva.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not talking about Wandy being afraid of Silva, I’m talking about rampage not being afraid of Wandy back in ’03 to support my claim about Rampage not being afraid of KO artists.
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If I’m a contender at 205, I turn down Silva’s first foray into 205 too.
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If I’m Luis Cane, I fucking LEAP at that fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Silva has a champion’s clause. AND he’ll have a no-compete clause if he leaves, AND if he retires, he can’t unretire and box or go to another promotion. He has to fight for the UFC. It’s all in the clauses.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I want you to think about this.
Anderson Silva is the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION!
by Michael Rome on Aug 9, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What’s the big deal?
Speed kills in this sport. All the Forrest fans stating his size was going to be a factor are nuts because Griffin never exhibited any type of speed in any of his fights. A guy who is dominant in the clinch and can avoid shots will be the only real challenge, and who does that at LHW at the top? Nobody.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm here
And I’ve been called ‘nuts’ for much more substantial reasons than that.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He can’t be that nuts. The poll was almost 50/50
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I never get bored with "too dominant" champions
by cagefightonacid on Aug 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
^ THIS
why would someone complain about a champion in a fighting sport being “too good”. how many people watched the superbowl when undefeated new england played indiana? Tons, and why, because people want to see an ass kicking. i think the main problem with anderson is that he doesnt want to learn engrish.
good luck in life!
Did you not hear the post fight interview? He’s not good but let’s hear how many Americans on average compared to other countries pick up a 2nd language.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially in this case
Anderson Silva seems nonapplicable to this formula, because he’s so unpredictable and so terrifying when he’s being pursued, that who could get sick of seeing that? I would watch a 10 hour video of him being attacked by masked assailants and dispatching of them wave after wave with a bowl of popcorn, a case of beer and a permanent grin on my face.
I STILL poop rainbows.
You know what's great?
BJ went from fighting for his legacy to being too dominant in the course of about five days.
Such is life on the Internet MMA forums.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So BJ is the Chief of the LW division?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
He’s won a playoff game in the last decade, so no :-D
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vunderbar!
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
how many people watched the superbowl when undefeated new england played indiana?
When did the Patriots play the Pacers in the Superbowl?, or was it the Hoosiers? ; )
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What can the UFC do to keep fans interested in such dominant fighters?
As long as they are beating the hell out of good fighters people will be interested. Its not very often that you get to see a dominant champ like Silva in his prime, I for one am just going to sit back and enjoy it.
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Ditto
There’s always the punchers chance . . . but no so much against Silva.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Big finishes keep fans interested.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just need to type this out somewhere
…but I picked Silva by Round 1 KO. Didn’t do too awesome on all of my picks, so I gotta advertise that fact.
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Same – not so close on the co-main event card
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, i bet on sakara, all my remaining $145...
ruckus is back in the game baby.
also
i accurately picked BJ submission in round 4 and Silva TKO in round 1. booyah
Awesome pick
I wanted to pick Sakara, but I went with the safer choice. That was one of my wrong picks. I think Leites has permanent mental damage from the Silva fight.
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Where are the guys from earlier posts...
I debated about Silva’s “actual” size and weight ???
Silva walks around at 220-230 depending on who you talk to.. But Silva said he walks around 220-225 when not fighting.. He diets hard for 4 months to make 185… He cuts to 200-205 3 months out and then does the typical 10 lbs cut the day before the fight to make weight.. He walks in to the cage at 200 or above on fight night at MW.. He was clearly about the same size as Forrest on figh night last night.. Forrest walks around at 240 when he “isn’t” fighting.. When he is in fighting shape he cuts from about 215-217 to make weight.. He walks in on fight night about 220 lbs.. Silva just didnt have to cut this fight.. This was Silva’s “natural” weight..
He probably just upped his calorie intake to keep weight on while training.. Instead of restricting them like he does when he cuts.. So bascially he got to eat more before the fight to keep the weight on… :)

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I cannot get tired of that GIF
Seriously, what Anderson does to Forrest Griffin in that gif is simply amazing. He dodges the punches like nothing, moves backwards, and throws what looks to be a weak punch (but probably isn’t especially with Forrest rushing forward with his chin out).
I agree, I mean the UFC had it so bad when Chuck and Matt Hughes were the champions…oh wait.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
It’s not even a matter if these champions are so dominant, but whether or not they are marketable too. Penn, GSP and especially Lesnar can get PPV buys, and it looks like Machida is becoming somewhat of a draw as well. Anderson, not so much, but if he gets booked in more big fights against a Rampage or possibly Couture, then it won’t matter.
LOL at Dana trying to find people to beat Lyoto because he doesn’t want all his big money draws at LHWs to lose.
Sorry Dana, they are going to lose. Just because you make them awesome in the video game, doesn’t mean they are awesome in real life. BTW- Thanks to UFC Undisputed, I can no longer go out and watch the fights.
16 yr old douche-bags FTL.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
Lyoto has never been pushed by Zuffa like that. He couldn’t even get on TUF because he could not speak English very well or beat box.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds like you are saying, “I disagree, but I don’t have the facts to back it up.”
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No
He’s totally right and it isn’t worth arguing.
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by Blackout612 on Aug 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you don’t want to argue it(whatever IT is), why comment at all?
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana has always had good things to say about Machida.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Covering his bases, Dana is great promoter. Great promoters always hedge their bets.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They have also been putting him on the main card of big selling PPVs.
UFC 79 had Machida Vs Sokojou
UFC 84 had Machida Vs Ortiz
UFC 94 had Machida Vs Silva
They also dedicated about 1/2 of the countdown to UFC 98 to Machida. When the UFC bought the WFA, the main reason was to get Machida and Rampage.
Keep firing Assholes!
Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Acquiring talent and pushing talent are two different ideas.
Why would you put Lyoto against Tito Ortiz(to make Tito lose) and then have him fight Thiago Silva(who no one knows)? Thiago was tailor-made to make Lyoto look good and he did BUT make no mistake, Lyoto only got a title shot because Brock/Mir fell through and Rampage didn’t want to take the fight.
Of course, Dana got behind Machida after he KTFO Thiago because Lyoto saved the card. That still wasn’t enough to get him a title shot however.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana’s “bet” was that Lyoto would become the “best fighter in the world some day”. Not too far off from being true.
That’s good scouting rather than simply covering all the bases.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If I buy 95% of the fastest horses in the world, there is a good chance one of them will win the Kentucky Derby one day.
Am I a genius for finding the fastest horse?
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Aug 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You are if you buy a stable with two name horses and say ‘This one’s going to be the GOAT’
Also, if you consistent cut horses right before they turn shitty (Sylvia, Arlovski, Gono)
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, if you consistent cut horses right before they turn shitty (Sylvia, Arlovski, Gono)
Go fuck yourself :p
Don't worry
I still don’t think Gono can hear anything.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I see diego giving penn big problems and possibly getting the title.
Also if Silva is just gonna move up to lhw and not fight for the belt then Id rather see him move all the way up to heavyweight and try for the belt. At 6’2 he’s relatively tall enough to deal with the big guys and he could probably come in at 225 230 if he tryed. If he’s truly looking for a challenge then there isn’t a better one out there.
Dominant champions are awesome..
In a sport where the margin for error is incredibly small, seeing guys with dominant runs through top ranked contenders is something special. It also gives a lot more meaning to titles changing hands.
by Tonley on Aug 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
As I’ve said in other threads, I think people are jumping the gun big-time when they exclaim that the current UFC champs so incredibly dominant.
Remember, once upon a time Matt Hughes cleaned out the WW division with 5 straight title defenses. He lost his sixth defense (to BJ Penn) on the same card where future rival GSP made his UFC debut. Meanwhile, Lesnar has defended once and Loyto zero times, and the sport is growing faster now than it was in Hughes’s day. So let’s give it a little time. It’s not exactly a dynasty quite yet.
Silva's KO
Silva’s KO was similar to the KO of Kimbo by Petruzelli and going way back into boxing history, the so-called ‘phantom punch’ by Ali against Liston in their rematch (check it out on you tube you’ll see it in slo-mo) I remember hearing a doctor once talking about knockouts and he said it only takes about 25 lbs of force to KO someone IF its delivered at the right spot. Silva and Ali are (were) so quick and have (had) such pinpoint accuracy that they don’t need to swing at someone like they’re chopping down a tree to KO someone.
I’m afraid that all the UFC champs may be to dominant for the promotions good. i mean there are worse things, but…
BJ has dominated the crap out of the LWs. We will see what Diego has for him, but I think it will look about the same as last night, if not more like the Stevenson fight.
GSP is crushin’ it right now Hughes, Fitch, BJ, Alves all one sided. I personally don’t see anyone at 170 giving him a run. Swick/Kampmann winner I don’t see doing it.
Silva is ridiculous. He gets bored fighting world class guys. I think Marquardt is the best contender, but after last night I have am a little less optimistic.
Lyoto has yet to defend, but all impressions are that he is going to be very Silva-like. If he beats Shogun, then Rampage, who would give him a better fight? Tito???
Brock has the look of a guy who is going to bully the division around. i need to see him fight Carwin (because of the size similarity), but he very well could reel off several defenses in a row now.
Should be interesting to see if UFC rolls with this or finds a way to break it up, i.e. moving Silva to LHW and perhaps extending his contract.
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