UFC 101 Post-Fight Analysis
by Kid Nate on Aug 9, 2009 2:24 AM EDT
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Two of MMA's biggest talents went a long way toward redeeming themselves from some recent missteps at UFC 101.
Lightweight champion B.J. "the Prodigy" Penn had seemed more like "the Prodigal" in recent months as he moved up to welterweight in a quixotic attempt to take Georges St Pierre's belt. Then after being beaten down in that fight, he compounded the damage by accusing GSP of cheating and taking it to court -- even bringing his mother.
Tonight Penn reminded fans why we care about him. Waiting out a game Kenny Florian, who was ranked #2 in the world in the USA TODAY/SB Nation MMA rankings going into the fight, Penn pounced in the fourth round and finished Florian.
Florian had been futiley working for takedowns throughout the fight, only to be taken down by B.J. Penn's first attempt of the fight. Former world jiu jitsu champ Penn finished it quickly on the ground.
Diego Sanchez will have his work cut out for him against a resurgent, better conditioned Penn.
The other troubled champ, Anderson Silva dismissed two disappointing performances by utterly out-classing Forrest Griffin. Silva brought back memories of Muhammad Ali as he fought with his hands down around his waist, bobbing and weaving and forcing the former UFC light heavyweight champ Griffin to miss. And when Silva did throw, it battered Griffin.
He dropped Griffin three times in the first round, finishing with a backing up jab reminiscent of Seth Petruzelli's infamous shot that finished Kimbo Slice. A distraught Griffin ran from the Octagon.
Dan Henderson vs Anderson Silva will now be a very marketable fight with Henderson coming off one of the most entertaining KO wins in UFC history and Silva looking more dominant than ever.
The rest of the card was disappointing, marred by a controversial early stoppage of the Johny Hendricks/Amir Sadollah bout. Hendricks tagged Sadollah with uppercuts and was firing away against a grounded Amir when referee Dan Miragliotta stopped the fight. Hendricks could be a very big factor in a stacked UFC welterweight division as his wrestling will match anyone's -- Koscheck, Fitch, Hughes, Trigg, you're all on notice.
Submission of the night – BJ Penn
KO of the night – Anderson Silva
Fight of the night – Forrest Griffin vs. Anderson Silva
$60,000 each
UFC 101 draws 17,411 attendance for Pennsylvania state record $3.55 million live gate
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Now that the card is over
Can the UFC please release Thales Leites?
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
Horribly boring
Reminiscent of Arlovski-Sylvia 3, except with desperate takedown attempts by Leites. Sakara did remarkably well on the ground during the few times Leites got him there. Sakara escaped from being mounted by Leites back to his feet more than once, but on the feet where Sakara had the clear advantage, he was extremely hesitant.
The fight essentially went: circle, circle, circle, Leites takedown stuffed, circle, circle, Leites takedown stuffed, circle, Leites takedown successful, Leites passes guard, Sakara scrambles back to feet, circle, circle, rinse, repeat.
Somebody forgot to translate for him, he was told that the UFC is a no-gi grappling competition.
by Patrick Tenney on Aug 9, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i guess this night really proved that it was leites to blame not silva, for their last fight..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 9, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Florian was just ranked #2 because he was fighting Penn. You know, the infamous “fighting the champ” bump we all talk about.
BOOSH
I doubt it
I mean he honestly didn’t look that bad at all in his past fights and was the number 2 lightweight in the world. I just hope they don’t give him a wrestler next or he screw’ddddddddddddddd.
"I will knock your hair black!"- Ken Shamrock to Tito Ortiz
SOrry
It was a drunken attempt at a joke – everyone always talks about a bump that fighters get from fighting an unnamed guy.
BOOSH
WAR Wikipedia Trolls!
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by SSreporters on Aug 9, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Definitely should have won pimp slap of the night honors
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Didn't Neer land a nice bitch slap on Kurt?
by Shaun32887 on Aug 9, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fell of my chair
When I saw that.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
Fucking horrible event. I want my $60 back. Wonder how much Griffin got paid to take a dive. That was pathetic.
You paid $60?
Either you got the worst PPV rate or the best ticket price!
Regardless: get off the crack – that was awesome.
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That event was not awesome. First 3 fights almost put me to sleep. And yes, ordering the PPV in HD is $60
there's no money in Griffin taking a dive
He was the underdog and the more popular fighter.
he dove when he realized he was out classed.
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Silva knocked out Irvin with a punch like that and cut him with follow up punches. His punches are deceptive.
As opposed to the iron-jawed Forrest Griffin?
by FRANKIE on Aug 9, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In terms of accuracy? Footwork? slipping punches? Sure.
But I’d bet that on straight power, Rampage wins.
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Ah yes an underdog taking a dive against a champion with whom the org is having trouble marketing because of a string of lackluster performances could not possibly earn money…
You really think he took a dive?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i don’t think he did, but it certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibilities.
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I have a little more respect for Forrest than that. It’s possible in the same way that someone kidnapped his cousin and blackmailed him before the fight.
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I hate the Kansas City Chiefs almost as much as I hate Ubernoober.
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
That was one of the worst UFC ppv’s I’ve ever seen.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 9, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You should really give it another chance – you’ll like the second one better.
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UFC 102’s card looks loaded, though.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 9, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
loaded with geezers
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Aug 9, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because you spent the last few weeks hating on Silva and he entered the matrix all over Forrest’s face?
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Aug 9, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
….
First of all Anderson Silva beat the shit out of Forrest. It wasn’t fake
Second, BJ just dominated Ken-Flo in a nice fight.
Third, GET OFF THE CRACK
And I never agree with that guy!
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I kid!
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I know it wasn’t fake. Obviously I was being sarcastic. Way too much clinching in the main event. KenFlo did not have a good game plan.
It felt like BJ spent 3 rounds toying with KenFlo just to prove his conditioning was better. Then he just DESTROYED him.
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Or his balls smell like cookies.
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LMAO !!!!
Thats was probably the funniest shit I’ve heard in a while..
Someone needs to photoshop that on a pic from the fight tonight..
…but Ken-Flo trains with Mark Delagrotte! (lol)
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 9, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The last two fights
Probably offset the other boring fights.
Still it wasn’t a good card, actually it was mediocre. But those two fights were awesome.
Forrest got his ass kicked. Live with it. He almost always gets his ass kicked when he loses (Tito was a close loss).
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
But delicious.
Teach the controversy.
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You’re on drugs, that was a perfectly acceptable UFC event with both main events delivering oodles of awesome noodles.
by Patrick Tenney on Aug 9, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
And that’s how we judge the quality of our MMA events – by bar reaction!
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I hate the Kansas City Chiefs almost as much as I hate Ubernoober.
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Also: how many guys get sent home in a body bag.
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You should have known by looking at the card
There was a bunch of turds on the card and two semi-interesting fights.
Heck Kendall Grove’s fight was probably the most entertaining one.
Aren’t you one of the ones always talking about the importance of the casual fan? Those are the guys in the bars.
They didn’t demand their cover back, and anyone that’s soured on MMA by this event sucks.
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I hate the Kansas City Chiefs almost as much as I hate Ubernoober.
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
As if that’s the only way to voice your displeasure anyway.
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I think
The general bar crowd is beginning to get smarter. When I showed up where I usually watch fights I was amazed at what I saw. The place was packed with people quietly sitting down and waiting for the fights to start. I heard someone analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of BJ Penn’s guard game. I felt like someone else had been given access into my special little club.
It’s surreal
Most people watching this stuff in bars have zero clue about the sport and just want to see slugfests.
by Patrick Tenney on Aug 9, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
WAIT… so first you say you paid 60 bucks to get it on HD and now you say 200 people at the bar didn’t like it? your full of shit…
by mmalogic on Aug 9, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I always order the fight even when I go to the bar down the street to watch the fight. I Tivo it.
and who the fuck are you to be talking about full of shit mma logic… start some more rumors..
Play nicely or face the Banhammer of the Mods…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 9, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL at the idea you can’t get banned if what you say is true.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
^ REC'D SO HARD!
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There is so much shit I want to say that I believe is true. But I know a lot of it is against the rules, so I keep my trap shut. Like not smoking weed when I know I would have to piss test for MMA.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I hear you can just drink a gallon of water or two and be fine.
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The “full of shit” comment – criticize him if you want, just do it with a smile on your face.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 9, 2009 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, HD PPV is only $45 here.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Too bad they don’t have instant replay, you could see those shots Hendricks was throwing were whiffing Amir.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
While there live, I had a great angle at the stoppage…absolutely NONE of the shots landed when Amir was on the ground. It was pretty clear on the replay; they all zinged over Amir’s head, brushing his hair if anything. Miragliotta had a bad angle and thought Amir was getting hammered.
He got a world title fight to ref
Did they give Dean and Yamasaki the week off?
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Steve Cofield’s post fight show is here starting at 12:30 AM.
This sucks.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Why do you hate awesome domination?
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I love that Anderson looked good… it’s my fault for making a very stupid bet.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Let that be a lesson to you:
Anderson Silva is a robot, sent from the future.
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I didn’t believe anyone could make a worse prop bet than me.
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Thanks for making me feel better, Mike :-D
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Pelligrino was being interviewed on ESPN MMA LIVE post the event and he said that in his opinion Kenny went out like a Champion. He said that he thought Kenny won every round…
He’s nuts, but he fought very well.
Anderson Silva is just on another level.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.. There are some interesting fights at 205 and HW. Not much in the others.
Brown and Torres.
…unless bowles has a say tom..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 9, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Torres isn’t dominant? Brown isn’t dominant?
they have a chance, just like carwin/rampage has a chance at the belt.. but the point was all those champs have been dominant.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 9, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Well, all of them except for HW.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Aug 9, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP is beatable
Not likely, but he got dropped by Serra. That takes away all claims he has to “unbeatable.”
BOOSH
I need to see him fight someone with size and great wrestling. Like the winner of Cain/Carwin. If he wins those I’ll be more likely to call him unbeatable.
BOOSH
But Lesnar’s loss to Mir happened AFTER St. Pierre’s loss to Serra. If GSP’s loss demonstrates that he’s beatable, obviously Lesnar’s more recent (subsequently redeemed) loss shows that he too can be beaten.
Everyone is beatable.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it sucks that he will forever be haunted by that punch. Since that point he has been the most dominant fighter on the planet. Look at his wins, and he hasn’t even lost a round.
AFter Machida beat Rashad I was adamant that he was the best fighter on the planet. Then I watched GSP dismantle Alves and I was convinced he was unstoppable. Now Anderson goes and does this. Unreal.
GSP will swallow Griffin whole ;-)
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Damn.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard losing. Now where does he go? You can say climb back up the ladder but there has to be intriguing fights for him to do so.
145!
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Kenny needs to
add some muscle/strength training to his regimen… he looked sickly, no muscle, no power and slow… and I wanted him to win.
The fourth round looked like the BJJ equivalent of the first round of the Silva/Griffin fight. Which tells me something about BJ and Kenny’s conditioning…
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Just because he looked skinny doesn’t mean he wasn’t strong. He was able to control the position of the fight for most of the first three rounds.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Florian/Griffin
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Florian/Lesnar!
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Kenny should feel bad, I don’t mean to pick on him but wtf?. This wasn’t his first title shot or ME he should have done much better that he did it’s fine to lose but at least bring it when you do it he’s going to have nightmares about this performance for years.
Shut up dude.
He looked pretty good against the best lightweight ever. Much better than you ever could have done.
BTW, on the ESPN post-show
Stephan Bonnar said he’s thinking about dropping to middleweight.
He'll lose more fights there too
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Gonna be hard cutting to 185 on steroids.
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Bonnar is a pretty big light heavyweight as is it. I am actually surprised that he can make the cut to Middleweight.
Nandralone.
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Not a mark on him (above the waist)
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He had some kind of scratch along his neck.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
help
Day Man,
This is unrelated, but do you live in SD? Know of any sports bars downtown where I can catch Gina/Cyborg next weekend?
I shouldn’t have been amazed, but Silva looked even more dominate over Griffin than Machida did over Rashad.
These guys striking is just so far beyond anyone elses…. it’s like Darth Vader vs. Ewoks.
Ewoks suck, dude.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
60 bucks! Damn this economy.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forrest-Anderson won FOTN?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Also that seems harsh on Forrest… I don’t mean it that way :( sorry Forrest, hugz <3
by Patrick Tenney on Aug 9, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you see what you've done, mods?
You’ve put the fear of God in people.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They gots to keep Silva happy
They’re giving him money any way they can, so he won’t “retire” and jump to boxing.
How was Forrest and Anderson fight of the night? I can see Anderson getting KO of the night, but wtf did Forrest do?
I’ll probly remember the Penn fight and Silva fight… but I have a good memory and I’m a Penn fanboy.
Walking backwards jab KO is terrific, I’ll put it right up the brain next to Kimbo getting popped with that jab.
by Patrick Tenney on Aug 9, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL at the Iole column
Did Dana hand him this PR three days before the fight? Is that a report or Billy Mays style sell job on Anderson Silva?
Really, Dana? The great thing about 155 id how stacked it is? Promoter speak.
At least there seems to be an influx of new contenders at 185 for Anderson. Gotta build up that LW division again, though.
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Diego and his one uppercut combo aren’t going to put a halt BJ’s title reign.
And Mr. Decision? That fight doesn’t do much for me. If he loses to Huerta, then what?
I say the winner of Mike Brown vs Jose Aldo.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Or the winner of Cerrone/Henderson, if the merger rumors are true
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
True, true. Cerrone would be nice.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, pretty sure Donald dominated the striking in that fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I've watched that fight a thousand times and I score it 48-47 Cerrone everytime
Varner took Donald down – repeatedly. Donald was better on the feet.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Childhood friend of Donald's
So I supposed I’m skewed – but I will say this: Cerrone has won a fight since then and Varner’s contemplating retirement.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ, Kenny, Diego, Maynard, Edgar, Sherk. Pretty solid top six.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Frankie and Maynard have the potential to challenge Penn. They’re just not ready yet. Gray’s striking has improved a great deal, but he’ll most likely rely on his wrestling (like Frankie) if he were to be given the fight. Each guy needs a few more fights.
I agree that the UFC needs to bring in more lightweights. Most of the top fighters are in Dream. Aoki, Alvarez, Hansen, Kawajiri and Calvancante.
Not saying they would beat Penn, but they’d be better opponents than what they currently have at the moment.
Although, there’s definitely mixed emotions about them going after the Dream lightweights. I like Dream. And losing those fighters would severely hurt them. And I highly doubt Hansen will sign considering his disdain for how he was treated when Pride went under.
I guess it’s all wishful thinking at this point. Carry on.
by timetosaygoodbye on Aug 9, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup...stacked
I’ll take Maynard, Diego, Florian, Sherk and Edgar over Japan’s top 5.
From the UG – someone who is a friend of Forrest
I heard his jaw was dislocated very early in the fight…then he took several more punches to the jaw. Apparently he can’t hear out of the ear on that side either. He left the octagon because he needed medical attention asap. At first they thought his jaw was broken, then said it was dislocated.
by Nick Thomas on Aug 9, 2009 1:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ouch. Mad props to Forrest for going on with a fucking dislocated jaw.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Now somebody tell Cofield so he can shut the fuck up about all of this.
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Not it
Fuck talking to that guy.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He was saying that Forrest was very unsportsmanlike for running out of the arena, etc, etc. Ripping into him pretty good.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Cofield only looks good (to the untrained eye) when he’s shitting on someone.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not what I meant, but that’s okay Mr. Chiefs fan. =P
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I dislocated my jaw once
And I cried about going to school. I can’t fathom what continuing to fight must have taken from Forrest.
BOOSH
Both injuries would suck
But somehow, if I happened to get both injuries at the same time, I’d be a LOT more concerned with the loss of hearing than a broken jaw.
Further evidence of how much power Anderson packs in his hands.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That would make more sense
I’ve seen Forrest lose, and I’m not a huge fan, but falling to a jab and waving off the fight aren’t typical of him at all. A jaw injury seems a lot more likely
Say what?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully they make sure Ortiz is gone first.
Wouldn’t want him hanging out with the fighters.
BOOSH
I just came a little bit.
Between this and Aloha Stadium, I’ll probably come more.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
“Wow – my gameplan sucked… did you know that BJ is hard to take down? And man, he’s a really good striker. And why didn’t anyone warn me that he’s so much better at BJJ than my little brother?”
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by jemaleddin on Aug 9, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
‘I forgot that we’re allowed to knee to the legs – even when BJ did it to me, I just didn’t put two and two together.’
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
“I thought I was a French-Canadian wrestler”.
by Patrick Tenney on Aug 9, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Master of his Own Domain
The UFC is now like the famous Seinfeld episode. We have got 5 champs who, barring the unlikely event of Fedor entering the Octagon, will be prohibitive favorites on anybody they fight in their division…. that is pretty amazing. Let’s see who can hold out the longest.
Seriously, think about it, you could make a great case for anyone of the Champs that that one will outlast the others, and that a title might not change hands for 3+ years when you look at the dudes underneath on the totem pole.
I really think people are jumping the gun on the assumption that the current crop of champions is nigh-unbeatable. It’s funny how people will crow about the unpredictability of MMA one second and declare certain fighters utterly unstoppable the next. Only one of the current champs is undefeated, and they’re all human.
by JRN on Aug 9, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Jumping the gun? BJ hasn’t lost in eons in the lightweight division. GSP and Silva are 1a,b or c in the P4P debates and between them have only one loss in about their last 20 fights. Please tell me when has Machida lost because I’d like the details on that.. That leaves only Lesnar and who in their right mind would put money on any guy facing Brock other than Fedor? So they’re all human, woooah, thanks for the insight on that one… tell me, is is true that on any given Sunday that any pro football team can win too?
and further, my comment was only about how fun it would be to see who held out the longest.. Not to declare anyone unbeatable… In fact, wasn’t I in essence saying they ALL would lose but who might lose last? Now the question is how long before you support you mundane argument with another misguided, mundane argument?
Lesnar is the most vulnerable. He’s mostly just a big pile of muscle. That’s beatable. All the other champs are technically levels above the competition.
I said most vulnerable. Didn’t say very vulnerable. A fighter that was strong enough to resist the bullrush could very well beat Lesnar. Half of Lesnar is the fact that he really ought to be like Semy Schilt and have his own weight class.
He’s mostly just a big pile of muscle
Did you miss where he used more than muscle to break down Frank Mir? He is amazingly talented.
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by iiowyn on Aug 9, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s still mostly bullying. I mean, hurrah he used one arm to do two things at once.
He’s the weakest of the champions just on inexperience. I’m not dissing the guy really, its just at this point if I had to pick one champ to get knocked off, it’d be him.
Steve, I’m sorry you apparently took my comment so personally.
A lot of folks, not just you, are talking about how amazingly dominant the current crop of champions is. I chose to reply to your comment because you speculated that “a title might not change hands for 3+ years,” which I find to be very far-fetched. 3+ years is plenty of time for new challengers to emerge across 5 weight classes, particularly in a sport as rapidly-evolving and volatile as MMA. I would think that we fans would have learned not to make such grand sweeping statements at this point. Remember when Matt Hughes defended 5 straight times, then lost to a former lightweight making his 170 debut?
So yes, jumping the gun.
by JRN on Aug 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Give these awards to the undercard guys. they need the $$ more.
by PunchesAndKicks.com on Aug 9, 2009 2:37 AM EDT reply actions
I hate to say this but...Kenny...
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
That was hilarious
Some guy in the crowd just straight up stealing the hat off Kenny’s head as he walked out.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I'm tired
So I’m being lazy and not reading all this, but did anybody else get the feeling Penn was trying to prove he could make it past three rounds without getting tired before wrecking Florian? It just seems he could have done that at any time.
I think Kenny was trying to rip off GSP’s plan of pressing BJ against the cage, so he would push him off and wear out his arms, hurting his boxing. BJ started to look a little tired, but thats when he said fuck it, took him down, and got the sub…just like that.
And man…Anderson Silva is a beast…when he fights people who come to throw down, it’s all over. Unlike alot of people, I enjoyed his fight with Cote, but the end spoiled it…he was cracking Cote every time he opened up. Leites was more at fault than Anderson for the last fight…for obvious reasons. This fight showed the world that if you want to beat Anderson, you have to be ready to chase him, stay protected, and be better than him at AT LEAST two aspects of the game.
Hendo will lose. Badly. Then hopefully we get Silva vs. Marquardt II …presuming he gets through Maia…I just feel Marquardt would pose a much larger threat than Maia (and we’d not risk seeing something Leites-esque, even though Maia is far more entertaining…I’ve learned not to get my hopes up), and Marquardt has been very impressive as of late.
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people are just scared of anderson.
i think thats the bottom line, all the top LW and MW fighters,except lyoto are scared shitless of silva’s game, and i think that really interfering in their performance.
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And I want my money back. Awful night. Last 2 fights weren’t bad but the rest of the card was SO bad… The guy in front of me fell asleep… And he wasn’t drinking! Ugh… So disappointed… Really, really disappointed. :(
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Sorry… Lol… Tired!
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by funnytiger on Aug 9, 2009 3:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i respect penn the fighter !
i must say that ive been hating on penn and questioning his abilities quite a lot, he certainly proved me and many others like me wrong, i think he’s def the force in LW div, and even the likes of sanchez and maynard will have to face hell to get that title away from him. having said that i still hate him as person, i think most the of the things he says in the media are unethical and unprofessional. and for the last time he should lay off gsp.
by realblood33 on Aug 9, 2009 4:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And i, sir....
Must give you props for admitting as much. You could have laid on excuses about why he lost but instead you are classy. +1
by MauiPimpin on Aug 9, 2009 4:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
it wasn’t that hard actually, he is a talented fighter, and its awesome to watch him fight, if he could only stop being a heel and insult fellow fighters, he can def do at LW, what anderson and gsp have been doing at their respective classes.
Here's what I'm thinking this means..
Silva has decided to give up his MW belt.. For lack of real challenges for him in that division. He is also very aware of the Champions clause.. This releases him of that stipulation. He has 3 more fights left on his contract.. He want’s the bigger paydays and the 205’ers are the “money” fighters.. They’re the big draws.. Tito is back, Belfort, Shogun, Rampage, Rashad etc.. He can pick anyone of those guys and get good money in fighting..
He is also using it as a backup for Machida.. IF Machida gets beat by Shogun.. He gets an instant shot at the title (if he chooses to avenge the loss for Machida) If he doesn’t fight for the title, He’ll still get the big fights and go out on legend status in the UFC.. But he wont have to sit out for that year because of the champions clause.. He can opt not to resign and go fight RJJ..
If he fights for the title and wins it, he becomes the 3rd person in the UFC history to have won 2 belts in 2 divisions and still be known as the greatest fighter in UFC history bar none.. By giving up his belt, he never lost it.. He would just be adding to his already impressive resume.. The guy has 10 straight wins in the UFC and makes the top guys look like bums..
But I must admit I was surprised when I got a call at 4:40 this morning that Anderson will be giving up his MW belt..
I think Silva is more of a danger to the UFC than Fedro to be honest.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I would agree
Stylistically speaking.. Silva has the better comp.. Thus giving him the nod for better fighter.. He’s faced the better competition thus far in the last 3 years..
Now jumping into the Sharks division.. He’s making a statement that he want’s to go out on top or go down fighting only the best there is to offer.. He’s actually putting it on the line and showing the heart of a true champion.. Anyone that would choose to walk away from his title in search of harder competition and go up out of his natural comfort zone to do so, deserves the respect he gets..
Sadly the same can’t be said for the “supposed” #1 fighter in the world… Shame really…
What I mean is that Silva wants to do things that White does not want him to do. He is very likely to leave after this current contract, and him leaving is much more of a threat to the UFC brand than Fedro not signing with them and getting exposure.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
A few months back, Ed Sorres said that if enough money was put on the table, Anderson would fight Lyoto. Not sure if he was kidding.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he also mentioned something like 100 million.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Eh, make it happen.
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by a tommy point on Aug 9, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Champion's clause
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Letting his belt go would be a smart thing for him to do if he ever wanted to consider big money boxing fights when his contract expires.
Ouch.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think Forrest threw the fight then you dont regularly or have never been hit in the jaw….and you dont understand how gambling works…
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