Fedor Emelianenko Prefers the Way Showtime Treats Fighters to the UFC
by Nate Wilcox on Aug 8, 2009 2:57 AM EDT
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Fedor talks to Dave Meltzer:
"From my viewpoint, the UFC does not have the proper attitude toward fighters," Emelianenko said. "They do not consider fighters to be normal people, human beings. My feeling is the attitude of UFC toward fighters is not the correct one. And I don’t like their policy, which appears to be a really bold one. They offered one thing, and then on the Internet, the number published was something different. The offer we got from them was really miserable."
And Showtime senior vice president and general manager of sports and event programming, Ken Hershman talks to Fanhouse:
"We're actually beginning our planning now," Hershman said. "We're going to be starting with just some teases that we can market on Showtime and across the Internet to begin introducing Fedor. For us, Fedor is a sold commodity among the hardcore fans; they all know him, obviously. Everyone recognizes him as the best fighter in the world. So, what we have to do is reach out beyond the hardcore fan base and reach the casual fans and the regular general sports fans, and begin to generate excitement. I mean, this is the most exciting fighter out there, and even if you're not a hardcore mixed martial arts fan, you're still going to get a lot of excitement watching him do his thing in the cage. So, it's a big task, but we're up to it, and we have some great support from our partners, and look for some great stuff to come."
We'll see if Showtime can pull it off.
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Fedor doesn’t like the way UFC treats its fighters, he prefers a promotion like M-1 who lies to and steals from their fighters. Fedor is a masochist.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 7, 2009 11:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 9 recs
Hmm
It’ll be interesting to see if they can do it…I mean Anderson Silva was about as impressive as you could be prior to UFC 90, yet the UFC hype machine couldn’t make him a certified star like Liddell or even Forrest Griffin.
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The Fedro stuff was the same as the zoo…err press conference call yesterday. The same one where they would have Fedro’s opponent announced today. The same one that was just a freaking circus. Finkie going missing when asked questions. You remember that call Nate?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
The offer we got from them was really miserable
So was the one they offered Mousasi..oh wait..
Kuwabara Kuwabara
Why would the UFC make a “miserable” offer to Fedor at this point? What was miserable about it? Was it just that the refused the moronic co-promotion demand? Where does he come up with this stuff from? Why does he keep saying the same exact thing over and over and over again like he’s been coached to say it.? If he had said that the offer just wasn’t what he wanted that would be one thing but he goes on about it like they tried to sign him into Indentured servitude for $20 bucks and wanted him to be the Zuffa headquarters janitor in his spare time. The more he rambles on like that the more he reminds me of Dana White playing fight promoter and rambling on at the mouth in a over the top manner about stuff.
I guess the way the UFC doesn’t treat fighters as normal humans didn’t bother Brock Lesnar who apparently had on problem re-signing with them (or any of the hundreds and hundreds of fighters that have signed with them).
This is the angle I’d like to see this story investigated. Someone who can speak Russian find Fedor, and ask him how much he was told the UFC was offering. The exact amount. Then give him the numbers Meltzer uncovered, maybe with some backing from UFC sources. Let’s see if his management is misrepresenting things.
I wonder if they might only be representing the guaranteed pay offered by the UFC, and playing down the PPV incentives where the real money is being made by the UFC’s top stars.
This is all getting old....
I dont care what fedor says, i dont care who he fights, and i dont even care what dana says about fedor and strikeforce. Its all getting old and watered up and getting annoying!!!! Take it or leave it, im done!!!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
Ding, ding, ding!
Feel free to report the news, but at this point I could care less about what Fedor thinks of the UFC, and what Dana White (aka UFC) thinks of Fedor. As MMA is #1 says, “i’m done”.
Random thing I found
The Editor on the M-1 Global Website links to this:
http://www.m-1global.com/author/scaplan/
Does Sam Caplan work for them?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Maybe..
And SuPreMaCy for HDNet…
I got that by analyzing both capitalizations.
He couldn’t have worked for ZuFfa or M1 GloBal..
See I has conspirazy theory too! ..that seems the trend in some of the new posters lately… Haha!
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 7, 2009 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I heard Caplan does PR stuff for M-1?
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Which makes his WAMMA tenure all the more interesting!
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Ugh…It’s like a bad carnival ride: it just goes around in fucking circles.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
You wanna talk about ‘same shit, different day.’
This (the Fedor/SF partnership) will fail, and everyone involved will lose money.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d really be surprised if Strikeforce/Showtime can make Fedor a star in the U.S. Look at the UFC and Anderson Silva. That’s been a tough slog, and the UFC has far more reach. Granted, Fedor is a heavyweight with only one loss on his resume. A lot of people are enamored with those two aspects. Strikeforce has some good fighters and they have Showtime. Their roster is seriously thin when compared to the UFC, and they probably need successful PPV’s to make the Fedor deal work at all. Those are some pretty big issues to overcome.
In all honesty, Tito Ortiz would have made much more sense for Strikeforce and Showtime than Fedor.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 7, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think them losing ortiz made them want to get fedor even more..
Appearance has a lot to do with getting casual fans’ attention also.. And on that part, a spiderman looking guy who dances after wrecking people is easier to market than a chubby out of shape guy who does nothing after he wrecks people..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 7, 2009 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't Anderson Silva the only failure . . . ever?
I never understood the comparison. Fedor has been only the guy to even get up uptick of interest in MMA outside the UFC but the comparison’s are always to Anderson Silva, the one guy in UFC who never made himself into a draw.
If Fedor was in the UFC he would sell leaps and bounds beyond Anderson Silva. WTF do you think Dana offered him $5 million per fight . . . err $2 million per fight . . . err some place between $2-$5 million.
Exclaim all you want Fedor will never compete with UFC’s brand but don’t put the Anderson Silva stink on him. If Anderson left UFC today he might be able to sell the floor seats at a War Gods show.
The comparison is simple.
Both are dominant in their respective divisions. Neither one of them is semi-fluent in English. Yes, Fedor is popular overseas, but it doesn’t translate into popularity in North America. If the U.S. market was into him, Pride would have sold better here in the way of PPV and live.
Besides, my point never was that Fedor was just like Anderson Silva or that he couldn’t sell UFC shows. The point was that it’s difficult selling a non-English speaking athlete to American fans despite their obvious talent and accomplishments. The UFC stands a better chance of building the Fedor brand than does Strikeforce.
I also wouldn’t deem Silva a “failure.” His ability as a fighter hasn’t been matched by fan interest.
Congratulations on missing the entire point due to your dislike for a comparison between two fighters.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 8, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True but...
Silva’s had the pleasure of being pitted against guys with “marketability”.. Such as a Franklin & Hendo for example.. He also had the buildup of of TUF 4 to help boost him as he dusted off Lutter.. Not to mention the hype from Lebel being the black sheep of TUF 1 & reeling off 5 straight “w” before getting smoked by Silva..
Silva’s appeal to the buying public has always been relatively low in terms of UFC’s standards, but he’s ALWAYS smoked the appeal as to what Fedor’s rate of return’s have been in comparison with the buying public.. But that’s due to the fact that Silva’s had “other” stars to be put in with.. Fedor has “none”.. They have “zero” capability to “build stars” with SF/M1.. The time it would take to manufacture interest and build up any is going to be a REALLY tough task due to the contract terms in length..
Regardless of what anyone’s oppinion or spin on the subject is going to be.. Coker announced his doom at the press conference.. HE stated “6-9 months & we’ll be on PPV”…That’s where EVERYONE fails..
TV deals wont save him at this point (it didnt save Pro Elite/Elite XC with great ratings and 2 stars). & PPV is like jumping in a pool of sharks with a seal tied around your neck… It all equals failure in the end.. They should hope to ride the brief Fedor train just long enough to drop him off before realizing how much it cost them in the long run…
by MMAuthority on Aug 8, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leben* Typo
damn laptop buttons are too small !!!
They wanted Tito
And they couldn’t afford him – here’s a guy that hates Dana more than most, and even he recognized that the UFC is the place to be.
Tito draws. Fedor doesn’t. Strikeforce decided to settle, and now they’ll go bankrupt.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Look I like Scott Coker I like Strikeforce and the events on Showtime have been entertaing thus far, but the question remains how Coker or Showtime is gonna make Fedor a big draw?
As for the UFC and Fedor’s quotes, look there are a few people that dont like the way Zuffa runs business among them are Josh Barnett, Fedor, Frank Shamrock. However if what Fedor is saying is true why has there not been a mass exodus from the UFC?
Either they feel like Zuffa is the only one that cant provide consistancy or they dont feel mistreated by Zuffa. Ask Rampage how Zuffa has treated him when Dana flew out to bail him out of jail, ask guys like Matt Hughes or Chuck Liddell how Zuffa treats fighters?
I honestly beliveve that if Fedor was in the UFC he would realize that it is not such a bad place but unfortunatly that looks like it will never happen.
What the hell does Fedor know about UFC fighters? He has never even met Dana. He keeps making these comments, but most UFC fighters (certainly the main eventers) are pretty happy.
I honestly don’t think M-1 was going to ever sign with the UFC. They wanted it to be public and they wanted to turn them down.
Fedor, Dana go your sep ways and SHUT THE F**K UP!
UFC 101 is tommorow
Can we stop with the Fedor posts. We need to institute a Tito-Cage Potato ban until he actually fights. I honestly hope there’s some huge controversy Sat. night so we can talk about that instead of this ongoing Fedor-M1-Dana-UFC-Strikeforce Saga.
yup..
and it’s cheap too.. they told fedor designing costs only took $1 million.. gosh what a bargain!
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Dear Take It Easy!
Please stop insinuating that members of staff are on promoter’s payrolls. You are free to opine about the questionable integrity of said promoters at length.
This is your first and only warning.
Good day, sir.
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Who ever would have thought Bloodyelbow.com would have been accused of being under M-1 Global’s payroll? If I could only archive this thread under my account.
Apparently
Nate can do no right. There’s no middle ground. He’s either a Zuffa shill or an M-1 goon.
I STILL poop rainbows.
Even Fox News keeps Colmes around, right?
I’m not sure who MSNBC has to keep things fair and balanced.
Colmes is still a Fox contributor and his radio show is apparently distributed through Fox…not that any of this is germane to the Fedor/Kid Nate/shilling for various promotions discussion.
by Cannon Jacques on Aug 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Colmes is a disgusting toad.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not forget ..
They flew to Zagreb to convince Mirko Filipovic to stay in their organisaton. According to most people (not me), he is supposedly washed up.
Doesn’t seem like Zuffa can be that inhumane does it? Fedor respects Mirko a lot, so maybe he was put out that Zuffa have never flown out to Russia!
Seriously though, it’s obvious to me a lot of Fedor’s words are coming from his mouth, but not his heart. I will watch him wherever he fights though!
by Rob J Nathan on Aug 8, 2009 1:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Funny how his counterparts in Pride didn’t have a problem with the way the UFC treats it’s fighters but Fedor is too good for the same contract that guys like Anderson, Wand, Shogun, Nog, CC, Rampage and Hendo have signed.
This guy is so full of shit it’s starting to become pretty evident that it’s not M1 pulling the strings on Fedor, the guy is either scared to death of facing the best or something is wrong with his head.
I hate when I miss something like this but I almost have to agree with Take it Easy.
Kate Nate’s posts are terrible when they don’t include a poll.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Aug 8, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
fedor is full of shit, i wouldn’t trust a single word this guy has to say, he’s delirious, if he thinks ufc doesnt care for their fighters.
Agree without insults
The post did use old news and then for absolutely no reason that I can discern that makes any sense at all, then links it to a new news bit from Showtime. Call it what you will, but there’s not a great deal of congruence to them. I’d love to see the pretzel logic in putting together this piece. Take it Easy had a point, he just needed to take it easy.
Well said, on all accounts.
I think part of it is Kid Nate has been trying to tout the “Dana’s negotiating tactics the first time around killed the deal”-angle. This might be an attempt along similar lines.
I’ve constantly disagreed with that opinion though. I see it entirely as a business decision on Fedor and M-1’s part. Originally I would have attributed it all to M-1’s demands of co-promotion, though if I take Fedor’s words at face value now, it may also be a combination of M-1 misleading Fedor to get him to sign the deal that they wanted him to sign. All speculation though, of course.
It’d be great if we could get a Russian speaking reporter to go to Fedor and get his exact take on all of this though. Ask him how much he was told the UFC offered by his management, then give him the most accurate account of it from Meltzer along with some PPV projections, and see what it turns up.
I think part of it is Kid Nate has been trying to tout the "Dana’s negotiating tactics the first time around killed the deal"-angle. This might be an attempt along similar lines.
journalists should cover both sides of the story.. i don’t get why you people are saying he has an ulterior motive for posting this..
he gets heat for posting the side of zuffa, he gets heat for posting the side of m1.. when are you guys gonna understand that BE covers EVERYTHING?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem here is Nate referenced that first quote as Fedro talking to Meltzer, when in fact it was Meltzer referencing a Fedro quote from that train wreck of a conference call.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
It’s that, and it’s a few of the previous opinions he’s posted.
Weo, I’m not saying he has any sort of ulterior motive here, I’m saying he may be trying to push his own opinion on this matter, by shaping the current discussion with handpicked quotes. In the past, both he and Luke have made their opinions known on this topic. They believe that Dana’s negotiation tactics after the PRIDE takeover left Fedor feeling disrespected, and that those hurt feelings soured all future negotiations. Luke went so far as to say that this soured Fedor on any prospect of future work with Zuffa.
I have no problem with them making their opinions known, and I have no doubt it’s their own opinion, but if I disagree with it, I will also make that known, just as I would with anyone. I’ve contended all along that this is entirely a business decision by Fedor and M-1, not one based on hurt feelings from their original negotiations. Basically, they feel they deserve, and demand co-promotional rights, which the UFC obviously didn’t want to give up, and that that was the deal breaker. I think that makes much more sense than thinking they’re carrying some sort of vindictive grudge and throwing their business sensibilities out the window.
Interesting how the UFC produced and made public a dollar figure that they offered Fedor and yet Fedor still claims that that number is false. Ok Fedor, so what is the real number they offered you?
The bottom line is, we will see if Strikeforce can pull this off.
And the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
fedor just needs to lose just one time than its all over for m1 global. especially if he lose his first fight in strikeforce.
agree, but i doubt he will lose to rogers or werdum, and who knows when overeem will even be ready to fight. I also don’t agree that if lesnar loses, M-1 has some advantage- if he gets beat by Carwin or even Couture those guys are still highly marketable.
I understand Kid Nate’s point, i just strongly disagree with it, and agree with the above posters that it ain’t about DW’s personality, it’s about sucking as much control and pub for M-1 which they think will lead them to being major players (and maybe even try to get a promotional license in a state for which they publicly plan on having an event). These guys are so delusional they will turn down a financially superior offer, because 1) they would also have to give up a great deal of control over their only commodity (which I actually understand- that’s not delusional) and 2) they actually believe they can be a major MMA promotion.
These guys have Millen as their mouthpiece, a guy who sounds like a meth-taking high school dropout. They have just been publicly shamed with their marquee main event with don frye and king mo being called off apparently after they just “found out” that you actually need a promoter’s license to hold an event in california. I mean, how do you plan a major mma event and not even take the time to learn what licenses you need? It’s unbelievable. Of course, M-1 didn’t announce that the event was called off, we found out from King Mo’s video blog lol. Then they have been busted by their one other quality fighter Mousasi, and it certainly appears they lied straight to his face about money.
These guys are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
At the same time, it is certainly good for the fighters and their pay with multiple orgs, and it forces the ufc to use more of their profits to pay their fighters. I don’t want to see Strikeforce go under, and maybe coker was shrewd enough that the M-1 terms aren’t going to kill his promotion.
Fedor
Fedor said that the offer he received from the UFC was miserable compared ti what they read in internet and I believe him.*
If the UFC really offered an super offer, Fedor would be fighting in the UFC.
White said that he choose to not meet Fedor personnally. He did not even move to talk to them. Some would wonder if the UFC was motivated as much as they say.
believe him then...
there has to be somebody who does…. but the deal wasn’t done because co-promotion.
by cagefightonacid on Aug 8, 2009 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It has been very obvious from the start where your bias lies (and has probably been just as obvious where mine does). I will say I doubt Fedro has even seen the UFC offer. Finkie has, and then probably conveyed his version of it to Fedro. Finkie’s big issue is that the UFC wants Fedro, and wants fuck all to do with his shell company M-1 Global.
Guess which one is Finkie and which one is Fedro…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
White refused to move to met Fedor himself. The UFC can send Fertitta in Croatia but not in California? They think that Fedor get full reports if not they would have moved or made their offer in public.
The UFC has never said officially that the 30 millions dollars offer was true. They could have easily done this if they really offered that. They did not.
Fedor said that the UFC offer was miserable compared to the offer the UFC really made.
You can say that his manager lied to him but the lie would be so easy to break that this is not even worse to think that.
Fedor and Vadim said that the contract would have been signed if the numbers on internet were accurate. That means that the co promotion thing could have been thrown away if the offer was really good.
You can say that his manager lied to him but the lie would be so easy to break that this is not even worse to think that.
His manager lied to him.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You are in denial.
If the UFC wanted to make sure Fedor would get all the offer , they just had to ask to meet him. White and Ferttita did not even move to negociate.
M1 has said that the offer on internet about the 30 millions was totally wrong, and they said that well before the signing with Strikeforce.
The UFC had just to confirm the 30 millions dollars in public and Fedor would have known the true offer.
But the problem is that Fedor already has all the offers and that the UFC offer never was that good. That’s the only reasonable conclusion.
Sorry, but M-1 now has a track record of lying to its fighters
I have no reason to believe anything they say, or that they tell one of their clients the truth and lie to the others.
The problem is that Fedor is protecting his record.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
M1 has no record of lying, no proven record.
The problem is that you hate Fedor and adore the UFC. Therefore you are very biased.
Ask Gegard Mousasi – they manufactured a Zuffa offer to get him to sign with SF.
What makes you think they’re beyond doing that to Fedor, too?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I would wait for Mousasi to confirm that story. Because there are things that I don’t understand.
The UFC match maker said that they did no offer for Mousasi and that they were not interested by him. Why M1 would have lied to make him sign to Strikeforce?
I assume that between an offer by Strikeforce and no offer by the UFC, this is the Strikeforce offer who wins by default.
Is it true that
the next M1 Global event is at a BINGO hall?
Because there are things that I don’t understand.
This I cannot dispute.
Mousasi could’ve just sat on the sidelines for a week, but he had people from M-1 saying ‘THIS is the UFC deal’ when it wasn’t. That’s about as fucking crooked as it gets.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The manager had just to say “the UFC will not make an offer”, which is the truth, to get the same result.
Why making up a wrong offer when the UFC was not even competiting for him?
BECAUSE MAKING UP AN OFFER IS WRONG.
If you can’t see that, I’m done.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t even explain why they would have made up an offer. Because this is not logic.
Making up an offer would have had sense only if the UFC was really interested.
You are blind in your hate. You are clearly a UFC fanboy while I am nor a UFC fanboy nor a M1 fanboy. I can reason beyond your hate.
You think making up an offer is ok. I don’t.
Everyone that agrees with you is a fool. Enjoy watching the UFC own the MMA landscape.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that making up an offer is bad.
But I don’t think that they made up an offer. Because there is no reason for that. And the fact that you can’t give a reason said that you agree with that.
I wish that your posts were other things that just only " I suck the UFC". You are a fanboy, just a fanboy. The UFC could say and do anything, you would agree. That’s very unfortunate.
Flagged.
The reason they gave the offer was to get Mousasi to take the SF offer – it was ’don’t wait for them to make an actual offer or offer to honor the Affliction contract, just lie to him and get him to sign’. You’re among the worst new posters to this site, and I won’t waste any more time here on you.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You are the worst poster I have ever seen and on every site.
You spit on everything who is not UFC and who does not go in the UFC. You are an extremist who wishes than everyone else other than your favorite org fail.
You should not even be anywhere else than UFC.com seriously if all you like is the UFC.
'You spit on everything who is not UFC'
Do yourself a favor. Three steps.
1) Google the Bloody Elbow liveblog for the last two DREAM/Sengoku shows
2) Read my hilarious commentary
3) Eat a cold bowl of borscht to go with your crow
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Apy never contacted the UFC.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
M-1 has never said the offer was wrong, they just said the guaranteed money was less.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
No, they said that the offer was way way out of range than the real offer.
And be logic, co promotion is interesting for M1 , but a mega offer would have been way more interesting. I believe them whey they said that they would have accepted a 30 million offer but was never offered this amount.
There is a reason why the UFC did not confirm the offer and hat M1 denied.
Fedro said that, but only when Finkie was not around. Finkie has always said co-promotion was required.
White was also in Abu Dhabi growing his business.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Fedor and Vadim both said that.
White was not in Abu Dhabi. He said considering to make the move to California but chose not.
Because he was in Abu Dhabi. Doing his fucking job. He talked on the phone with M-1. After the conference call yesterday, I can see why nothing came about.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 8, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was in Abu Dhabi when fedor signed with Strikeforce and announced the deal.
But I don"t think he was when the UFC negociated with Fedor and M1. He said that he had considered to fly to California but did not.
He called M1 yesterday? Are you sure?
WELL YEAH CUZ DANA IS EVOL
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Because White was on the road, he never got to speak to Emelianenko in person. He had a representative in the room with the Russians while he and UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta were at the other end of the phone.
"If I was sitting on Fedor’s lap that deal wouldn’t have got done," he said. "Didn’t matter. The deal was not going to get done. We went in there to do a deal, they didn’t."
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 8, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does not seem to imply that Fedor was lied. It’s quite the contrary, he implies that if he presented his offer ditecly in front of Fedor, that would have changed nothing.
Honestly, if the UFC offer was 30 millions, they could have just said officially, “we are offering 30 millions” when M1 said the contrary. But they did not.
jacko, if you are working for M-1, I wouldn’t wait too long before looking for a new job…
M-1 has proven itself to be a bumbling stumbling wanna be player. As I said earlier, this whole not even knowing about the proper licensing to hold an event, then having the big headliner apparently called off by a video blog from king mo, is not even bush league. And yet you take vadim’s pronouncements as gospel?
No one has doubted that the guaranteed offer from the ufc was far less than 30 mill. THAT IS HOW IT IS WITH EVERY SINGLE BIG NAME UFC FIGHTER. They have a guaranteed salary which is far less than what they actually take home in pay, because they get a cut from the PPV.
I don’t also doubt that the 30 mill was the rosiest scenario possible. But when these proven idiots claim that the offer was “really miserable” I call bullshit. That is their narrative, Kid Nate happens to agree with that narrative, I think there was something to that narrative two years ago or whenever fedro was last a free agent, but not today.
M-1 had ZERO intention of signing with the ufc, without a staggering and ridiculous concession from the ufc. Now, an interesting question to me is: is M-1 really that stupid, or did they seriously believe that they and fedro were worth the 50/50 total ppv split- as millen said, “split the profits, split the loss”? I used to think they couldn’t possibly be that dumb, but now I’m not so sure.
And subo is on the money with fedro/M1 wanting to protect his record...
that is one of their biggest arguments for fedro- hey, he’s 30 and 1, best in the business, this lesnar guy is only 4 and 1, clearly 30 is bigger than 4, hell, its bigger by 26, therefore fedro is 26 times better than fedro.
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