UFC 101 Preview: Confident Anderson Silva Seeks Win Over Determined Forrest Griffin
One of the most highly-anticipated fights to be announced this year will finally take place at UFC 101 in a light heavyweight match-up between current UFC Middleweight champion Anderson Silva (24-4) and the USA Today/SBN Consensus Rankings #4 ranked Light Heavyweight fighter Forrest Griffin (16-5).
The bout will be Anderson Silva's second in the light heavyweight division following a brutal knockout victory over James Irvin at UFN 14. It'll be his first fight back in the Octagon following his title defense at UFC 97 against Thales Leites, a bout that drew much criticism due to Leites' reluctance to engage and Silva's inability to finish Leites. Griffin is returning to the Octagon following the loss of his light heavyweight title to Rashad Evans at UFC 92. He rode a wave of two upset victories over both Mauricio "Shogun" Rua and champion Quinton "Rampage" Jackson before losing to Evans.
Anderson Silva is one of the most dangerous strikers in MMA today. In his southpaw stance, he's been known to pick apart opponents at will with accuracy and power that has been unmatched by anyone within the middleweight division. A member of Black House in Curitiba, Brazil, Silva trains with some of the best BJJ and striking partners in the world. Fighters like Lyoto Machida, Paulo Filho, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Andre Galvao, Junior Dos Santos, and Ronaldo Souza have all graced the halls of their facility in Brazil at one point or another. For this bout, he's been training at the Black House facility in Los Angeles, a move that happened due to some conflicts between X-Gym and Soares, with some of the fore-mentioned names along with Gesias Calvancante.
Silva's skill level is astounding. He holds black belts in Judo, TKD, and Brazilian jiu-jitsu but is most feared for his Muay Thai mastery. With his vast skill-set, he's beaten the who's who of UFC talent. He dropped Chris Leben at UFN 5 in :49 seconds, crushed Rich Franklin at both UFC 64 and UFC 77, submitted Travis Lutter at UFC 67, finished Nate Marquardt at UFC 73, and soundly beat Dan Henderson at UFC 82. Oh yeah... he also stopped Patrick Cote and Thales Leites in his two most recent bouts, although many fans discount those due to Cote's injury and Leites' unwillingness to engage.
Griffin has a tough task ahead, but he's no stranger to the underdog feeling. The most notable win on his record stems from his UFC 76 showdown with Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, who was at one point considered the #1 Light Heavyweight fighter in the world. Griffin shattered his indestructible image by taking him deep into the fight, exploiting his weak conditioning, and submitting him in the third round of their battle. The UFC promptly threw Griffin into the seventh season of The Ultimate Fighter against Quinton "Rampage" Jackson as a coach, building the hype for an eventual title fight showdown at UFC 86.
Griffin defeated Jackson for the Light Heavyweight title via some well-placed leg kicks, solid striking, and complete avoidance of the dangerous striking ability of the champ. Griffin went on to defend his title at UFC 92 against Rashad Evans after Evans had spectacularly knocked out Chuck Liddell at UFC 88. In Griffin's first title defense, he was stopped by Evans via TKO in the third round to lose the title.
Griffin trains out of Xtreme Couture gym in Las Vegas. Much like Anderson Silva, he has a plethora of top-notch training partners to push him day in and day out. He has a good base of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, and Muay Thai in his arsenal, but his best attributes come from his toughness, determination, and conditioning. He is a fairly hardy individual, able to sustain quite a bit of damage and keep coming, and he is surely never out of any fight. He has a solid team of trainers in Randy Couture, Shawn Tompkins, and Muay Thai coaching from guys like Tyson Griffin. He also has the gameplanning abilities of Randy Couture at his disposal.
This bout really comes down to if Forrest Griffin has the tools to inflict damage on Anderson Silva. Dana White's entire reason for creating this match-up is because Griffin will go after Silva, and it'll cause Silva to come forward to finish this fight. It's pretty tough to figure out a sound gameplan that would be effective against Silva though, and that's probably the primary problem any fighter would have against Silva.
Randy Couture has stated in leading up to this bout that Griffin's best chance is potentially putting Silva on his back. Silva's jiu-jitsu skills haven't been showcased in the Octagon too often, but the general consensus among fans is that Silva is a legitimate black belt with very good technique on the floor. Of course, there are plenty of examples in MMA of black belts being punished by great wrestlers, and that may be the course of action in this fight.
On the feet, I don't see Griffin having an advantage at all. Silva's speed and accuracy is astonishing, and he almost looks bored trying to punch with opponents. Griffin has some kickboxing at his disposal, but I imagine Silva's speed may be a problem for Griffin. His best chance is taking down Silva, and even that may be a futile gameplan against such a quick striker. A Couture-esque gameplan of controlling Silva in the clinch and using his bigger size to muscle Silva may ultimately be the risky choice here. If Silva's power in the clinch isn't overwhelming, Griffin could find his way into a Greco-Roman type of battle against the cage, much like Couture's fights.
Most fans will likely pick Anderson Silva here. He is better in almost every area of this fight. A lot of fans are coming back to the point that Griffin's kickboxing could hurt Silva's legs or some Greco-Roman dirty boxing could punish Silva in the cage, but I don't see this happening. The strength difference between the two will be negligible at best, and Silva is just downright better at everything. If Griffin can implement some sort of brilliant clinch game without being kneed into unconsciousness, he has a chance. I won't take that bet though.
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I didn't know Anderson was a Judo black belt
Good info, Leland.
I really, truly think Forrest will pull off the upset here. I’ll hardly be shocked if he doesn’t, but I will be shocked if it’s not competitive. Anderson might have some trouble trying to Thai clinch a man Forrest’s size.
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He might as well be a black belt everything at his rate. Next thing you know, he’ll become a black belt in Sambo or something.. which he could probably do since Sambo uses all the best moves from various martial arts.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
In Muay Thai there are no belts.
but Anderson has a black belt in Taekwondo.
by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, some instructors do give out belts. It’s just their way of quantifying it. Hence why I said he was likely at a black belt level.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I never knew about this...
Actually, some instructors do give out belts. It’s just their way of quantifying it.

i think black house permanently moved to LA, right?
Also, If there was a belt system in Wrestling, maybe silva would be a lot scarier now haha.
I think so actually. That whole dispute with X-Gym caused some sourness. X-Gym owned the actual facility in Curtiba, and the conflict happened with a bunch of grappling tournaments and shit, not even with fighter pay from UFC events or anything. Kind of crappy situation.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty impressive list there..
plus Feijao and Lil Nog too..
also, slightly unrelated, to prepare for Randy, big nog has trained in san diego recently with Vera and Munoz to help him with his wrestling..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 7, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
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by Rundownloser on Aug 7, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know man. I know the Spider is one of the baddest men on the planet, but Forrest cuts weight to get to 205 and Silva doesn’t really (not a lot anyway) from what I’ve seen. Griffin is tough as nails, too, which he is going to need to win this fight. It is a tall order for Griffin but I think the fights best when he is in the Rocky roll verses the Apollo Creed roll.
It’ll be exciting. I like both of these guys. Like weoweoweo says, my bucks would be on Silva but I’d love to see Forrest win. Strike one up for the south, Forrest!
Griffin is tough as nails is such an overused phrase. The fact is that he’s been fairly beatable in his career. Ask Keith Jardine. Silva clowns with people in the cage in some of his fights, and it’s evident that his striking is on another level. Forrest HAS to clinch and use his size. If he does that, he has a shot.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually Silva does
Cut a bit of weight to get to 205.. He walks around 220 ish maybe slightly higher.. He extends his diet when cutting to MW but for his 205 fights he cuts like most 205’er’s do…
I have heard a few different reports about Silva true weight and it varies between 230-220.. I’d say by the looks of his frame and height that he isnt really smaller than Forrest at all.. Look at their conference pictures as they stand facing each other.. Silva looks to be as big as Forrest.. I’d say Forrest at most will have about a 10-15 lbs weight advantage come fight night if that..
If Silva walks around at 225, why doesn’t he permanently move out of the cupcake division? Fedor and Randy walk around at 230-240, and they fight heavyweight.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the same can be said for Forrest too ??? And Chuck & Tito & Franklin & Hendo & Maia & Hughes & GSP & the list will go on for ever…
If you can make the wieght.. whats the problem ??
Deal with it ….
good point. Everything should be Vale tudo from now on. Then we can have the WEC on the side for Faber and BJ.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
IT should be noted too
That cutting weight can often times hinder your performance too.. The risk’s involved with cutting weight comes with a heavy price tag..
Fatigue from bad cut, internal muscle problems, dehydration, cramping, lack of vital nutrients, etc… The list goes long.. Guys that cut weight are risking a lot.. So there are just as much disadvantages as there are advantages to cutting weight..
Also not to be confused with “normal body weight”
Normal body weight is Forrest walking around at 240 (off season).. Come fight time he is at most 220 upon entering the octagon.. You cant deplete 40 lbs in 2 days .. It’s biophysically impossible.. People often time forget these things when comparing normal weight to competition weight.. 20-25 lbs at most is all the human body can stand to loose in a rapid succession before your internal organs would shut down..
The cut is a gradual process over a span of 3-6 months prior to bout.. They start with the diet cutting before physical water retention depletion..
I’m always amazed at how many people often times think guys that cut a lot of weight do it in such short amount’s of times..It’s not like Forrest is going to be this HUGE guy with a 20-40 lbs weight advantage.. Silva just didn’t have to diet as hard and could still maintain his physical output to stay pretty even to Forrest.. Forrest is big because of his height and weight.. Silva is about 10-15 smaller and the same height as Forrest.. Nothing much there in difference really..
by MMAuthority on Aug 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I bet Forrest has more horsepower than Silva. I’m not disagreeing with you post (good info, btw), but just look at them- Silva looks like a track runner, and Forrest looks like a football player.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t matter. Silva’s lean, but he obviously has ridiculous power. Lean muscle power can still overpower the bulky fighter in some cases.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true at all
It’s all biophysics and body mechanics..
I believe Silva has a stronger core than Forrest.. He has very powerful lower body mechanics.. The core strength in Silva is amazing..
Forrest does not have the power that Silva does.. How many people have Forrest KO’d in his career ?? How many people have Silva done the same to ? Silva will eat Forrest in the stand up all day long.. Forrest has once chance.. Wearing Silva down on the ground from top position.. The problem is… Getting Silva there without eating too much damage and not getting caught in his gaurd …
poor choice of words on my part. I’m not suggesting that Forrest has more KO power. I’m suggesting that it will be much easier for forrest to control silva on the ground and in the clinch than it will be for silva to control forrest.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Good argument :)
I’d say it’s really a toss up because of the fact that this is the first time Silva will be the “smaller” man..
If there is anything people can say about Silva is that his wrestling is not on the same level as his ground or striking.. But then again, he’s never been beaten by wrestlers or by wrestling in general.. So it makes it a bit of a case as to whether Silva has underrated wrestling skills or not..
I’ll definitely agree with you on Silva’s best chance to win (percetage wise) would be to get Silva down and try to wear on him from top position..
But again like I said.. the problem many have faced is trying to get him there and keep him there without getting caught standing or on the ground.. He has great defensive wrestling IMO.. But that’s just my own personal take on it..
Typo
I meant to say Forrest’s best chance to win was to get Silva down and control from the top.. Maybe to wear him down..
None of those guys
are supposedly 40 lbs over between fights, why wouldn’t he stay? the comp is ten times easier
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
he does not weigh 225
he has said himself that he weighs around 207-210 in between fights, every day his weight goes up 5 lbs, He stays in the weak MW division to keep hearing how great he is, As for the laughable comment that he’s beaten a who’s who in the UFC, WHO? Franklin and Hendo, thats it, Leben, Lutter, Cote, Leites? please! lets mention his sad losses to mediocre guys like Azeredo, Takase, Chonan, let me be the first to say he’s beaten bums and is overrated
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
thank god.
I’m not the only voice of reason here.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This worship is getting ridiculous
if he’s 225 then move up! fight real competition in the LHW division, enough with the easy middleweights, God i hope Forrest wins, all these break downs on his strength and core, and black belts, C’mon look up his fight resume, tell me who’s a top guy.
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
You obviously ingored the part about the differences between off season and competition weight..
We’ve already established what his weight ranges are.. And he does walk around in the 220 range.. Like I said.. If he can make the weight, whats your problem ???
Sour much ???
LOL, my kids use that a lot
Anderson himself before that Leites fight said he weighs around 210 between fights, I’ll take his word over posters, maybe you can explain the top guys he’s beaten, I can’t seem to find them in his record anywhere, GSP, Penn, Machida fight the #1 ranked guys, Silva fought Irvin-27th ranked LHW, Cote and Leites aren’t in the top ten even, Can’t anybody ever play devils advocate? how about some debate from the other side, instead of the non stop anointing of he being the greatest mma fighter of all time.
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Maybe you can help me locate an exact post I made on this board or any other forum where I stated Silva is the best ever ?? Or even the best p4p ??
I dont recall ever making that statement..
I just pointed out logical normal things relating to his “size” debate.. And for what it’s worth.. maybe you should try locating some of themore recent interviews from Silva on Tatame and other various sites where he says what his “current” weight is now..
He can only fight who they put in front of him.. My argument is this.. If a guy can make weight in any division, why is it a problem if he wins ??
Silva is not the “only” fighter that’s been successful that has to cut weight.. You dont like the guy, we get that.. But maybe it’s how you come at others that dictates the responces you’re getting ??
Just a thought ??
:)
Well
I’ve been hearing about Silva non stop for 4 weeks and it’s nothing but how great he is, I certainly like his style, and won’t disagree thats he a great fighter but isn’t anyone else a little tired of the Forrest has no chance talk? He did beat Rampage, Shogun, and has a chin of stone, I’m not even a huge Griffin fan, just would like some arguing from both sides, like most fights, He should of moved up to LHW where much better competition is, then we’ll see how unbeatable he is. Don’t take any of this too serious, just trying to argue, debating is a great way to see and hear many opinions, nothing personal.
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest does NOT have a chin of stone. His conditioning is top notch and he recovers well, but he gets dropped frequently.
Making erroneous and inflammatory statements (like saying Anderson Silva is overrated and beats bums) is trolling, not debate generating. If you want debate, mix some facts in with your opinions.
Sorry I can't be on Silvas jock in every post
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by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
“…..all these break downs on his strength and core, and black belts,…. "
lol…exactly. Who are they trying to convince? Us or themselves?
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Dream Match: Silva vs. Fedor
…I would get hours of entertainment out of the Silva-worship rationalizations leading up to that one….
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not
he weighs 225 right? i’m sure he could throw his 20 black belts at Fedor and it would impress him so much he would quit, Well he did beat Leben and Lutter, so Fedor should be no problem.
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you forget that Fedor doesn’t fight in the UFC, therefore he is a p*ssy and he sucks. Fedor doesn’t have nearly as many black belts, and if you compare their body mass indexes…… lol.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not often
You see someone shitting on a guy because all he’s done is go 3-0 against Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If and when Silva beats Forrest....
These same people will say that Forrest isn’t really that good blah blah blah. It’s always something
Personally I don’t think Franklin is as great as many think, he also benefited from the weak middleweights, And Henderson is a hall of famer but nearing the end of his career, C’mon Subo, I respect you as much as anyone on here, But if no one else is gonna start arguments it just turns into a Silva lovefest.
Doesn't anybody think before they speak/post anymore?
by Big Boob Lover on Aug 7, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I picked Forrest, my friend. It’s just that Anderson Silva might be the best fighter on the planet. Doesn’t mean he’s invincible. Doesn’t mean there aren’t bad matchups against bigger fighters for him. Doesn’t mean he can’t lose. But he is awesome.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This may sound weird, but even though they are about the same height and weight, Griffin is definitely the bigger man. Silva routinely fights at 185lbs, while there is no way in hell Griffin could cut that extra 20lbs. It may not be a massive difference on paper, but watch the weigh ins and see how different their builds are. It could all be for naught once the fight starts, but it is certainly something that can’t be discounted before we see how Silva handles that.
Because Forrest is a bigger guy "naturally"
Forrest out of season is about 240.. Silva out of season is about 220-225 ish.. Forrest during competition weight is about 220 range..
Silva during competion for MW stays at about 200-205 (about 3-4 months out) & then does the last 10 lbs or so 2 weeks out.. For his LHW range he just didnt diet as hard. He didnt have to have the extra dieting for that initial 2-3 months prior to camp.. Forrest does the same exact thing..
But competition weight only gives Forrest about a 10 lbs advantage.. His frame is built similar to Forrest’s.. Look at them side by side at the press conference .. Forrest wont put but maybe 10 lbs on by fight night.. We’re 2 days from the fight at that point.. Silva will probably cut about 5-10 lbs tops.. Where as Forrest is probably closer to 10-15 lbs… Griffin tries to target the 215-217 mark 2 days out.. Silva is right about the same maybe a 5 lbs difference..
This is a much closer poll
than I expected, but I can see where the Griffin supporters are coming from. Griffin has the tools (read: size) to pull an upset, but to me the more likely scenario ends with Anderson winning via wicked counter punch in the 2nd round.
Yeah, this is surprising actually. Maybe this is the price of being lame in your last fight and not pummeling Leites on the ground.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
Maybe it’s a way for the odd’s makers to generate a good buzz on the fight to make it a very playable bet on either side..
The truth of the matter is that Forrest uses a lot of kicks.. He’s a long 205’er.. However, Silva is just as long as Forrest.. Kicking against A. Silva is not a gunfight he would win.. Silva is to fast for Griffen.. The bottom line is this plays right into Silva’s strengths.. We all know what Griffen wants to do.. He wants to take Silva down and bully him on the ground.. The problem is that the fight starts on the feet and Silva has a knack for catching over aggressive fighters coming in.. Especially ones like Forrest that “dont” avoid contact…
Silva by TKO 2rd..
That's mean.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
People are voting with their heart, not their head most likely. They want Silva to lose.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
That’s actually a good thing. Make Silva a heel, and he might become an actual draw in a Tito manner. People buy PPVs to see him lose, but then he keeps winning.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
excellent point. He just needs to keep being himself. Then they can bring Tito back. They need to build up someone in the MW division as a fan favorite, though. If Dan loses again, there isn’t really anybody. Maia is only a favorite to the hardcore fans.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you see shapes that emerge out of Forrest chest hair?
It’s something like a phoenix, or a cross…?

It’s almost like looking in the clouds, and dreaming…
by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
LOL
I see the phoenix too!
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size issue
Aside from Forrest being bigger, how do people think he’ll beat Silva? It seems to me that everyone is just saying “size” without considering the fact that Rashad beat Forrest despite being a very small 205 lb fighter, maybe even smaller then Silva. I just don’t see Forrest winning this fight.
First, I have never seen Silva throw a bomb, let alone the nukes that Rashad Evans throws at people. Second, if Forrest gets him down and gets top control, what is Silva going to do to stop him?
That being said, I don’t see forrest winnign either. Silva throws good knees and has long limbs, and forrest went the the Chuck Liddell school of blocking strikes.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva might just KO him with a kick from guard. Silva’s BJJ is so underrated. It’s going to be funny if Griffin gets subbed.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Okami. This is the DQ loss on Silva’s record.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Technically yes. Of course I think that in this instance the rule is pointless, as Silva is in the disadvantaged position.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
so by “technically yes”, you just mean “Yes, Anderson Silva cheated”
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Anderson said that rules weren’t properly explained to him, that’s why he kicked from the bottom.
by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh…it is the official’s fault for not taking the responsibility to hold Silva’s hand. I see. My fault…i thought Silva was a professional.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that it’s not his fault. There’s a difference betweet “cheating”, and not knowing rules. I don’t think Silva is so stupid to knowingly break rules, and give up money…
by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he really Josh Barnetted that fight.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
All you have to know is...
That kick was awesome.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Your Silva bias is blatantly obvious..
This fight was in Hawaii at Rumble on The Rocks I believe.. There was a translation error between the promoter and both camps.. Neither Okami nor Silva’s camp were aware of that rule prior too..
Both Okami & Silva have stated that Silva won the fight and that if anything it should have been stopped with a point deduction and warning.. PRIDE was notorious for letting things like that happen.. Silva is far from a cheat or poor sport.. He is one of the most classiest fighters out there.. His initial reaction after the up kick showed as he went crazy because he was unaware of the rule in place.. Call it a miss communication on all parties..
by MMAuthority on Aug 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
:)
Yes he is one of the classiest fighters out there.. He’s in the same ball park as GSP as far as how respectful he is of others and how he handles himself in and out of the sport..
Thus = “class”
:)
I would agree...
But the way he acted during his last two MW fights wasn’t very classy
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
so you don't agree?
..b/c he is not at all the “most classiest”.
GSP and Anderson Silva are not in the same class league…not even the same sport.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he will just kick Forrest in the front of the kneecap like he did in his last fight, permanently wreck Forrest’s knee and career, and take the win.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That strike was declared perfectly legal.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never said it was “illegal”.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Never said you did, I was making a statement.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Very classy move by Anderson Silva. The good ’ole kick to the front of the knee….
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We get it, you don’t like Anderson Silva. Move on.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
From what? This article is clearly on Anderson Silva. I don’t see how I’ve said anything….ever…that is rediculous. Everything I’ve ever said is factual. You guys get mad because you spend 15 minutes doing this big scientific analysis, but then in the end, he still cheated, or lost, or was not classy, etc.
I can see how that probably is very, very annoying to you guys.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
How was he not classy?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If you were in an mma fight…not a streetfight…would you front-kick your opponent in the kneecap?
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom Line
A fight is a fight no matter where it takes place..
The rules in sport fight are there in place.. As long as he isn’t “deliberately” breaking them during contest, it’s only “opinion” as to what you feel is right or wrong..
It may be “ethically” wrong in your eyes.. It also ranks right there with “foot stomps” and other various points of attacks that some people define as cheap, but in the end it’s within the rules of engagement and after all it is a fight to begin with.. I dont see how it’s even ethically wrong at that point..
But that’s my personal opinion on it..
Understood. I know a lot of people feel that way too.
I have an extensive background in karate, and have thus always been big on Bushido. For me, pulling a bullsh*t move like that would be very dishonorable, and I can’t respect anyone who does it, even if it is legal.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I can respect how you feel too..
I don’t think it’s necessarily the most ethically honorable thing to do, but I also know that in a fight (outside the karate point fighting systems) that you often time look to win by any means available to you.. I overlook it because while I think it’s cheap thing to do, I also have the same competitive edge myself and would find myself doing the same thing too as long as it’s within the rules in place..
right…. and if it was a street fight, the first thing I would do is go to the knee. This is a sporting event between two professionals, though.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were talking about something else, nvm
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva doesn’t need to throw overhand right bombs like Rashad. He throws quick straight punches, and drops people with those.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Understood, however the original post was comparing to Rashad, and Silva and Rashad are not similar.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just comparing their size since everyone is talking about the size difference between Silva and Forrest yet very few people mentioned it when Forrest fought Rashad. And while Silva might not throw “bombs” I’ll take his lethal combinations over Rashad’s bombs anyday.
While Rashad is short, he’s got a lot more beef than Silva does.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Taller rangier fighters almost always hit harder than shorter muscled ones.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Yup
Biomechanics 101 :
Force x Mass = Acceleration
:)
Just because
When someone is “beefier” than someone else or has more muscle definition does not equate greater power.. It’s all relative to their body mechanics and how dense their muscle & bones are..
You can be the hardest puncher in the world in pure force generated, but if you suffer from osteoporosis, you’re not likely to be hitting much without shatering some bones.. Guys that break their hands a lot often times suffer from lower calcium deficiencies.. Guys with very dense bones and muscle are considered guys with heavy hands, legs ect..
Then body mechanics comes in to play.. When you hit someone with a punch or a kick.. you’re not using just the arm or leg.. You’re using your core base to generate the force.. t stems from your hips and base. You rotate into it and the tip of the limb is where the force accelerates from.. With the right snap at the right time it can generate an enormous amount of force by applying the bio-mechanics theory…
Big body builders dont mean the guy has one hitter quitter status.. Strikers are people with a natural ability to rotate their core and use correct timing to extend the limb at the right distance to produce “snap”.. Thats where the power comes from.. NOT everyone is a striker and size and mass DONT have to do with power.. Strength and power are 2 different things and I believe you’re getting them confused here..
Ask GSP how well that worked out in his first fight with Matt Serra.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
..and matt serra is a dwarf.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You're obviously trolling at this point..
You haven’t argued anything of relevance.. You know nothing of the sport or the intricacies of what it envolves..
You only have a blind hate towards Silva.. Which is fine.. That’s your “preference”.. But I’ve countered everything you’ve stated with legit factual point’s and all you have to come back is Matt Serra.. this and that.. Where’s your in depth knowledge on the issue’s your ranting about ???
At least come with something of a valid point or just state that hey.. I just don’t like the guy.. But you come off like someone that really doesn’t know what he’s talking about when you just spout off about "beefier, kick him in the knees, Matt Serra, Rashad this.. etc..
See where I’m going with this.. ?? If your intent was to actually gain knowledge then simply ask “why” would so and so do that ?? If you just don’t like the guy then say hey I hate the guy.. I’ll go with Forrest on this one and then tell us why you favor Forrest in the bout.. lol
by MMAuthority on Aug 7, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You have jumped the shark.
The whole purpose of posting on here is to debate and hear different points of view. In my case, I get online, read Dilbert, and then come on here and read the Silva-Worship column. I never asked why because I am not interested. You can analyze all day long, but it means nothing. I could sit here and give you a perfectly logical arguement on how it is physically impossible for bumblees to fly, but at the end of the day, it doesn’t mean dick because they still fly. One guy will win, one guy will lose. That’s it.
Saying I know nothing of the sport is pretty childish, and definately ignorant. I didn’t know we were aquainted.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole purpose of posting on here is to debate and hear different points of view
I never asked why because I am not interested. You can analyze all day long, but it means nothing.
How the hell can you say both of those things in the same post? If you don’t want to contribute anything useful, then keep your trap shut.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I don’t need anyone to explain anything to me. I’m just interested in you guys’ opinions.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hear different points of view with supporting statements. Nobody wants to hear what you think and then support it with “because I said so..” That’s basically what you’re doing.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
this isn’t about broadcasting what i think. I am enjoying dialogue with other knowledgable people that thankfully have different opinions.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Whenever you post, you are broadcasting what you think.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Acknowledged, but the goal of the post is not to broadcast to the entore world what i think. It is to continue the conversation with the related parties.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
I’m not trying to belittle you or anything.. Let me ask you this..
Tell me what you like about the fight in general ?? What’s your prediction on the fight ?? You like Forrest right ?? Ok I’d be interested in hearing your breakdown on the fight and getting your input as to how you see it playing out ??
:)
Analysis.
I’m very exited about the fight. I am much, much more exited about this fight than I am about the Penn-Florian fight, because I think Penn is going to dispatch Ken-Flo (probably the worst nickname in the history of the sport) pretty easily.
The best aspect of this fight is that Anderson Silva is challenging himself for the 3rd time in his career and is finally starting to step up to his full potential. I don’t think Griffin is the best opponent, but he’s better than the other garbage they’ve been throwing Silva’s way.
Prediction: Silva via submission or TKO. Can’t decide yet.
I think Silva is going to want to stand and trade. Forrest is going to want to take Silva down for 15 mins of GnP. Forrest will probably take him down and get caught in a sub. b/c he does something stupid, or he will catch a knee and get TKO’d like he did against Evans. IF Forrest somehow wins this fight, it will be by decision.
The aftermath of the fight is going to be everone on the messageboard going on-an-on about how Anderson Silva is god because he beat Forrest Griffin and how he should be holding two belts and is the greatest fighter on the planet.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Good analysis
I’d say you’re 100% correct on all counts..
I too am back and foth over submission and TKO.. I’d lean towards TKO because the the percentages favor that outcome in this stylistic fight..
We all know what Griffin wants to do.. It’s no big secret there.. We know what Silva will do, it’s no big secret there either.. I think it breaks down to the fact that Silva is a little bet better at what he does than Forrest is as what he does..
I think it boils down to Griffin blocking with his face. He takes too many shots in his fights.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what makes this fight so interesting
Griffin has the talent and heart to pull it off.. But the chances increased of him getting caught in this fight because he is fighting a guy that isnt affraid to engage on the feet in an all out slug fest.. But then combine the fact that now you’re fighting a world class striker with a 40-1 Muay Thai record and an impressive MMA record to boot who has a knack for catching aggressive fighters wanting to stand a trade with him on the feet..
I see this fight playing out similar to Franklin’s fights myself.. Forrest will come in and look to establish the distance but Silva get’s off quicker than he does.. Then Forrest forgets that the plan was to only use the standup to set up the trip takedown’s and gets caught with something and then finished off on the ground… Ala the Jardine fight…
Where did you find his MT record? I remember one reading that he was 23-2, with both loses to Pele…
If you have a link or somethin i’d be thankful
by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It is on my UFC DVD
I thought that he had 2 losses too, but Goldberg says his record was 40-1 on the Ultimate Knockouts 5 DVD..
Correcton
He said he lost 1 fight out of 40..
So his record should be 39-1
Thanks very much. Although i don’t trust Goldie much, but maybe he’s right :)
by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
that's where I disagree
1. I don’t think Silva is very willing to engage, such as in his last few fights. He could have gone after those tomato-cans, but he didn’t.
2. Franklin and Griffin are not the same. Griffin is much, much more durable than Franklin.
While I still think Silva will win, I get back to this dead horse- people support their arguements for Silva with things that they just accept as “fact”. Like….people just assume Silva is going to win and spend their efforts analyzing how Forrest is going to lose.
Let me ask this- How can Silva lose this fight? What are his weaknesses? (b/c based on my experience on BE thus far, the answer appears to be “none”)
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva could lose
By a few key factors..
Weight disadvantage for starters.. Regardless of what it comes out to be, he’ll be at a disadvantage. A smart gameplan would look for Forrest to utilize his size on Silva be closing the distance and seeing how he can put Silva on his back.. From there he would look to grind on Silva using his stamina and weight.. It’s bascially a gamble because we’ve never seen Silva handled on the ground before. We know they both have great cardio.. Will Silva fatigue from the bottom ?? Who knows but that’s the safest game plan I would put together..
Freak injury.. Forrest throws a lot of kicks.. He could catch Silva’s leg just right and cause a knee or leg injury.. Much like the Cote fight, where his knee blew out..
The odd’s of Forrest winning are greater by decision than by stoppage.. The other thing that favors Forrest is that this is a 3 round fight.. Silva usually takes a few minutes to get loose and that’s valuable time that Forrest needs to be putting on the pressure in the opening 2 minutes and look to steal that round.. The rest of the fight he should look to avoid getting caught and seeing how well he does getting Silva to the ground.. IF he has trouble getting Silva down.. It could lead to a quick fight for Silva..
You have officially "kept it real".
and for that, you have my respect. Good post.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My ameplan if I was Forrest
1. Before the fight, I would blow up Silva’s ego.
2. Get in close, try to pin him up against the cage.
3. Dirty boxing/head control
4. Take him down up against the cage
5. GnP and Elbows. Cut him. He hasn’t been in “danger” in a while.
6. Attempt to establish side control or mount.
7. Lay on top of him as much as possible. Wear him down. Punish his face.
Nothing…aside from getinng KO’d…is worse than having someone bigger that you lay on top of you for a long time.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
my mistake
my mistake is that I’m assuming Forrest is going to able to pretty much manhandle Silva in-close. I might be wrong.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
This is where I have a feeling Silva is still the stronger fighter.. His clinch fighting is top of the food chain and world class..
I think most fighters avoid his clinch after what they’ve seen him do to Franklin (who’s a big clinch guy himself).
Forrest may have a size advantage but the clinch game uses your opponents momentum against them from a locked position.. This goes back to core strength.. I dont think he’ll want to stick around too long if Silva wraps his hands around Forrest’s neck.. a couple brief shots and it could be the end for Forrest..
The rest of your game plan is very very feasible to say the least..
I don’t think Griffin can cut Silva, he seems to have similar skin toughness as BJ. It took GSP 3 rounds to cut BJ, and I don’t think Forrest will be able to dominate Silva like that. He can hurt him and knock his head around, but I don’t think he can cut him.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Silva should watch a lot of tape on the Shogun fight.. That’s going to be a very similar game plan they use for Silva..
Try to wear him down and then look to close the distance & inside leg trip for top position.. Silva has been caught with that move ina few fights.. The only thing we cant answer for sure is how it will effect Silva with a bigger guy on top of him if he does succeed ??
this is where my Silva hate comes from
… when people start saying things like “i think Silva can’t be cut because of his skin toughness”. My intention is not to be disrespectful, but these kind of comments sound rediculous and are the reason why a lot of the mma community laughs at the Silva-jockeys.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Griffin can cut Silva
I never said that Silva couldn’t be cut. Griffin is not known for gashing people open. Silva himself has said he has never been cut. When you make assumptions based on not reading what people wrote is why you get flak.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Why does it matter what Silva said about himself or what Griffin has done?
The point was that Griffin’s gameplan should be to try to cut Silva. To say “I don’t think he can cut Silva”, while I acknowledge it is an opinion, sounds rediculous. Silva is a human being (if you don’t read these forums <j/k>) and can be cut. To start talking about his skin toughness and his BMI and core and all this… to me… sounds like grasping.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all...
It’s RIDICULOUS, not REDICULOUS.
it’s getting on my nerves.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well to be fair though
Silva nor BJ in all their fights have never been really “cut”..
Remember the Silva vs. Rivera fight in KOTC ?? Silva let him tee off on his face with a flurry of blows and just shrugged it off like it was no big deal.. In all his fighting career, the guy hasn’t taken HARDLY any punishment.. That’s combining his MT & MMA records..
Even when he let’s guys punch him in the face, he’s never been split wide open.. I dont even recall a fight where he was even swollen or bruised up ??
Correction
I had a brain fart.. it was Cage Rage … the yellow mat through me off when recalling it..
Either way Rivera his Silva with some brutal flush shots to the face while Silva laughed at him and then knocked him out only a minute later… lol
I remember Lee Murray commentating this fight, and saying “he…he’s takin shots… and laughing at him”…
by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of the mma community laughs at the Silva-jockeys
Where is your basis for this?
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seriously?
Ok. Each to his own.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If Forrest Griffin Wins...
Can BE have a post – “Anderson Silva- The man, the myth, the lie”. Or maybe “Greatest P4P Fighter- a stupid concept exposed”.
I was actually thinking about this P4P thing this morning as it relates to BJ Penn. He was ranked as one of the best P4P in the world. Some places even put him ahead of GSP. When they actually fought, GSP wiped the floor with him. While I know that a bunch of you will say “well, GSP is just that good..GSP is way better than BJ Penn” and all that stuff, at the time, there were people on both sides of the fence. BJ could not compete with GSP, which I submit as evidence that this notion of “p4p greatest fighters” is idiotic.
That being said, I hope Forrest weighs in at 205 and shows up at about 230. Hopefully this time out he will stop blocking with his face.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
Nobody gives a shit about P4P.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Saying this to a person who obviously cares enough about the concept to make it his username is pretty funny.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
LOL, it’s just pointless. We’ve been through discussions about this before, and it’s just stupid because people have different concepts of how P4P works.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I do care. Out of all the aspects of the sport, this is the one that I get in arguements about the most frequently- by far. Granted, it is mostly with these idiots who were introduced to MMA via Elite XC and thought Kimbo Slice was the truth. These same people- a greater population than the “hardcores”- pile on the bandwagon for Silva and GSP. Therefore, it is good sport and entertainment for me to mock them.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Aug 7, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"and Muay Thai coaching from guys like Tyson Griffin."
I know he’s improved his striking and all, but did I miss something?
Well, he is one.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How is this poll so close? I have some tropical real estate for sale in Utah for those that think that Griffin is gonna win.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
I have a piece of Toast that has Forrest’s face in it, $1,000,000 bucks, any takers?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Mmmm, overrated toast. Delicious!
Throw in a jar of blackberry jam and you’ve got a deal.
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by a tommy point on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
48% of people are crazy.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Aug 7, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Shock the world Forrest!
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you'll be pleased to know
I just heard a 15 minute discussion on Dante Bichette on a Chicago Sports Talk station. LOL
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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You take that back
We’ve never had a guy popped for roids – unlike those big market teams.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re a filthy liar. Burks was talented and Galarraga was a beast. (runs away)
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice!
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

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