Joe Silva Talks Gegard Mousasi: "We Never Even Made an Offer to Mousasi"

Wow.

by Jahbulon on Aug 6, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions

NO DOUBT!

Who woulda thought there is worse managment than Monte Cox??

Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo

by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah cuz he sure did shaft tim

by cmcbeast on Aug 6, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Tim’s career ain’t doing so good right now.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions

and ray mercer’s is at an all time high

by cmcbeast on Aug 6, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Guy won a gold medal and held a portion of the HW boxing world title in the early 90s.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Oh I know....

im talkin mma career

by cmcbeast on Aug 6, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

In that case yeah, Merciless Ray Mercer is doing pretty good.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Classic

" I had bills to pay, so I knocked that n%$&% out"

by cmcbeast on Aug 6, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

That was pure joy on Ray’s face after he won.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

better watch out...

AA is next

by cmcbeast on Aug 6, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

It was literally the opposite of his expression when he fought Bonjasky.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions

M-1 in sketchy dealings?!?! This is shocking, absolutely shocking.

Revised Strikeforce death: 14 months

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

ya, with this extra info on Mousasi and after todays press conference I’m changing my prediction of 18 months down to 12 months…

by Reaser16 on Aug 6, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions

not sure what happened to this the first time it was posted…

but I maintain…

disgusting…absolutely disgusting.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 6, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Fighter outrage advocates: let’s hear you now.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions

They’re choking on rage.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions

This is an example of competition making the salaries go up, right?

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs

How is this not green yet?

by Steve4192 on Aug 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Because it has little to do with the question of competition and everything do to with the question of bad managers in general and specifically bad managers also acting as promoters?

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Nonetheless, it is an example of a guy earning LESS money because his manager also happens to be a competing promoter.

by Steve4192 on Aug 6, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I firmly think this is about bad (perhaps criminally bad) management, not competition.

I also happen to think that fighter salary will probably only really rise when there are so many top fighters in one promotion that proper organization can finally occur (and I really doubt it will even happen then.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I was just being sarcastic, but it goes to my overall point about competition.

competition for the sake of competition is stupid.

Competition from someone competent might be worthwhile, but I’ve given up on finding that.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Chirp, chip, chirp.

If the UFC did this, we’d start a fucking mob with torches- and I’d be at the front of it.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

At least Dana knows not to be a promoter and a manager at the same time.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

This is a startlingly clear example of why the two roles are bad to mix.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, now Mousasi just has to deny any video game rights and he’ll be doubly F*ed in the A.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I for one am outraged. This is unacceptable.

I think there might not be as much sheer volume of posts due to the fact that there’s clearly no argument on this one. (Nothing generates hundreds of tedious and repetitive posts like an intractable argument)

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed. This is truly despicable.

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by Rundownloser on Aug 6, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL

LOL!

""So the 40/40 figure was obviously erroneous, right?"

“Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40,” Joe Silva said.""

So not only was an offer not made at 40/40 as purportedly asserted by Apy, but NO OFFER AT ALL was made? Yet, you can conclusively declare that M-1 are the “evil-doers”.

I see. Carry on.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Dream/Strikeforce

Isn’t Gegard already contracted non-exclusively with BOTH Strikeforce and Dream?

Are we to believe this purported UFC offer would have been made, assuming such “non-exclusive” contracts?

If so, what was the big deal with granting Fedor the same?

Carry-on.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions

I was trying to carry-on after your first post, but you posted again…

carry-on.

:-)

by Reaser16 on Aug 7, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

keep in mind that it was Mousasi who first declared that he felt M-1 was lying to him. The original lead was 1 or 2 days ago. He seems to be the one who is conclusively declaring M-1 are the “evil-doers”.

by crinow on Aug 7, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Is it?

Mousasi, when asked directly, offered no comment at all.

What is the source for that assertion above?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions

http://mmafrenzy.com/11169/mousasi-will-honor-strikeforce-contract-rumored-cease-and-desist-wont-derail-august-15-matchup-with-babalu/

True, he declined comment. I guess I read a bit into the statement he released. I would be entirely relying on the undertones of text, which is almost always trouble, but it just seemed to me that by not addressing it directly he was in fact expressing frustration.

by crinow on Aug 7, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions

If he didn’t think they were lying to him, why would he call joe silva?

No matter what actually happened, the fact that he called Joe Silva because he thought they were lying says something.

by Phildo on Aug 7, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions

good point.

by crinow on Aug 7, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions

You above all people should realize what people don’t say is often far more important than what they do say, ESPECIALLY when making a statement that they can be held accountable to.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions

Then why the hell would his so-called manager tell him this offer? Maybe Apy should have looked at it a little harder, if he didn’t just make it up. Stop being willfully ignorant.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions

What the UFC did or didn’t do becomes irrelevant here, the problem is a management team lying to the fighter they represent in order to push him into taking the deal they want him to take. I would think someone who is so active in talking about fighter rights wouldn’t just discard this situation so easily due to petty organizational bias.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Indeed--

Organizational bias is an interesting point. Were it me—I’d have concluded that there is no way to conclude what exactly happened. I certainly wouldn’t have declared it was conclusively determined.

Given Joe Silva’s DIRECT quotes, I think it is fair to say that not only was NO OFFER MADE AT ALL, but also that NO OFFER WAS FORTHCOMING AT ALL.

Review Joe’s comments below:

“I"Gegard called me about a week ago. He asked if it was true that the UFC offered 40/40 (40k to show, 40k bonus to win), Silva said. "I told him no, because we never actually made an offer."

"When Affliction folded, we obviously looked at a lot of their talent available. Mousasi was interesting, but he had also just signed a deal to appear in the EA Sports video game," Silva stated. "We had gotten word from above to stay away from anyone involved in the EA game process.

So the 40/40 figure was obviously erroneous, right?

"Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40," Silva continued."

Couple that with the apparent fact that Gegard IS contracted with both Dream AND Strikeforce. Are we to believe Zuffa has adopted a non-exclusive policy? If so for Gegard, why not for Fedor? I don’t think this very plausible at all.

At best, given Joe Silva’s direct quotes, no offer was made, nor was any offer going to be made, given the EA Sports connection. Yet, this site, given all this muddle, was able to conclusively determine which party is in the wrong.

How exactly was Brent able to determine this?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions

who is to blame then? No one is blaming the UFC for not offering a contract (or being unwilling to offer a contract).

The issue is between Mousasi and M-1. The UFC is merely clarifying they aren’t an involve party.

So is Mousasi lying? Or is M-1 lying?

by crinow on Aug 7, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions

LOL… aren’t you supposed to be an advocate for fighters?

So when joe silva says:

"Gegard called me about a week ago. He asked if it was true that the UFC offered 40/40 (40k to show, 40k bonus to win), Silva said. "I told him no, because we never actually made an offer."

This doesnt cause you concern? Why would his manager lie to him? Why does his manager need to make up a story to manipulate Gegard? Why does Gegard need to call Joe Silva to confirm his suspicions?

If his manager lied to him about this what else has his manager lied to him about?

What did his manager tell him to get him to sign with EA? Dream or Strikeforce?

I think you need to create a new organization that defends promotional competitors of zuffa rather than claiming to defend fighter rights.

by mmalogic on Aug 7, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs

Mousasi’d.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Soukojou'd

Those are the best one’s.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Wang’d

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I actually did click rec

I think BE doesn’t recognize that particular rec.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Logic Run Deep?

It is concerning only to the extent—I don’t know what happened. Neither do you, neither does Brent. I am not the one posting an editorial note claiming to be omniscient.

Why would M-1 lie? I am not certain they lied. Are you? Are you certain Silva spoke 100% the truth? Perhaps they are all telling the truth—possible? In MMA, misinformation is certainly not rare—in fact, at times, it is very intentional. Within an organization, perhaps many things were said, by multiple parties. I don’t know—didn’t claim to know.

If, however, you and Brent are taking the Silva version as gospel, and M-1 as deliberately misleading—to what end? Silva himself, in his own words, said not only was an offer of 40/40 not made, NO OFFER would be made. If M-1 was misleading, it was being charitable to the UFC’s offer—as there wasn’t one, and wasn’t going to be one.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

If no offer was made, but a fighter’s management tells him that an offer WAS made and that it was extremely poor. There’s really no debate over who was in the wrong. Even if the UFC never planned on making an offer it would make the fighter’s management clearly the party in the wrong. I don’t really see how you, someone who wants fighters to be protected, would see this as not being the case.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 7, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

Green'd

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions

I should also point out...

the fact that if a manager is telling his fighter that he was being offered a 40k/40k deal with the UFC (even if it wasn’t offered) then the fighter suddenly becomes much more likely to take a 50k/50k deal elsewhere because of the “guarantee” of more money. Now your answer might be why would a manager do this? Well…if under the table they’re being given a nice bribe because it’s cheaper that way for a promotion as opposed to paying on a contract…etc.

I’m not saying this is what happened. But I am absolutely saying that there isn’t a situation where this is an acceptable move by fighter management.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I don’t like to conjecture this much on such matters, because it can be unfair to speculate on such wild possibilities (though, this is M-1)… but it’s possible that less formal organizations are willing to cut Vlad and the Bad News Russian Brown Bears a check that directly circumvents an amount that would have otherwise been included in the fighter’s contracted show/win figure (in this case, Mousasi). Say, Strikeforce offered Mousasi 80/80 and M-1 asks them to reduce that figure considerably and send the ghosted portion of it directly to them as a previously mentioned “consulting/co-promotional fee”. Their obsession with co-promoting has as much to do with pinching the profits for their, cough, “co-promotional entities/fighters” as it does spreading their totally unidentifiable brand. The names on the ring are for justification, not marketing.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed---

This would no doubt be unethical, and I would be up in arms about it. And note, scenarios akin to this (or variations) have happened in the past.

That said, this isn’t this scenario at all.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

You keep claiming we don’t have all the information but you know exactly what the situation is and isn’t here? You get on to other people for drawing conclusions but you came out and drew the conclusion that everyone here was completely wrong and that it was all just funny.

I always figured that a “fighter advocate” would tend to err on the side of the fighter when there is only partial information instead of siding with the organization accused of lying to him and making fun of people who do take the fighters side in this. Why do I get the feeling that if it was reversed and the UFC was the “bad guys” in the story instead of M-1 you would lean towards the fighters side instead of making excuses as to why the organization was innocent in this? Why do I get the feeling that if the organizations were reversed the lack of 100% if the story wouldn’t stop you from being concerned about this situation?

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Reading Comprehension?

Where did I say I know what the situation was? Where do I say I know all the facts? Please lead me to that post—as I am not aware of any such post.

Err on the side of the fighter? The fighter himself said he was contracted with Strikeforce, who have always been honest with him. Are you overlooking that statement?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

And he did not say a damn thing about his manager being honest with him, when they were talking about his manager. He specifically went out of the way to say Coker was honest with him, and that he would honor the contract. To me, and you won’t care but my girlfriend who doesn’t give a shit about MMA agreed, this indicates that he probably thinks his manager has NOT been honest with him.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

this isn’t this scenario at all.

How do you know that isn’t the scenerio then? That is why I specifically said “is and isn’t” (reading comprehension?) you keep trying to say that you know what the situation isn’t but how can you know what it isn’t anymore than the rest of us? How can you make that judgement? Why would you make that judgement? Why would you just toss out one possibility without any discounting evidence?

The fighter said that Coker was honest with him but immediatly after that when asked if his own management lied to him he said “no comment”, seriously why would he make a point about Scott Coker being honest and then dodge a direct question about his own management being honest to him? How can that not get you wondering what is up here? How can you just play it off as some kind of joke after seeing such a disturbing quote from him? Reading that from him made my skin crawl.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

This shit stinks worse than WAMMA.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Selective Quotations?

“the fact that if a manager is telling his fighter that he was being offered a 40k/40k deal with the UFC (even if it wasn’t offered) then the fighter suddenly becomes much more likely to take a 50k/50k deal elsewhere because of the "guarantee" of more money. Now your answer might be why would a manager do this? Well…if under the table they’re being given a nice bribe because it’s cheaper that way for a promotion as opposed to paying on a contract…etc.

I’m not saying this is what happened. But I am absolutely saying that there isn’t a situation where this is an acceptable move by fighter management."

The post above that you quoted of mine was in response to Brent’s post attached above.

How do I know that wasn’t the case? Because new contracts were not presented to Gregard—he was already contracted with a different promotion.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Logic Part 2

Presenting bogus offers, knowing they are bogus, would indeed be wrong.

The difference between what I write, and you Brent, is I don’t claim to know all the facts. You do. Were you privy to these private conversations?

Given the facts we can confirm—Silva said publicly, no offer and no offer would be made. Gegard is already contracted to 2 promotions, each non-exclusively.

Yet, you believe your version of the events is the most plausible?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions

The whole entire stinking issue doesn’t have anything at all to do with whether the UFC would of made an offer or not, that is 100% irrelevant to this. The point is that M-1 didn’t contact then to even see if they would make an offer and then went to Mousasi and told him they did and the offer was insultingly low. This would of been an issue if they had lied about making contact with any organization and had made up an offer, that’s the whole point here. Why would Joe SIlva bold faced lie to a reporter about Mousasi contacting him like that when Mousasi could just catagorically deny it and make Silva look terrible? Instead we have Mousasi “no commenting” the situation when asked and feeding the fire even more.

Yes we don’t know all the facts here but honestly you seem to be fighting really hard to twist this back on the UFC for some odd reason and for someone who is supposibly a fighter advocate you sure are making a lot of excuses as to why you should just laugh this one off and make fun of the situation. Even if we don’t know all the facts and only part of this is true then I don’t see anything funny about it at all.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

"Gegard called me about a week ago. He asked if it was true that the UFC offered 40/40 (40k to show, 40k bonus to win), Silva said. "I told him no, because we never actually made an offer."

Silva said publicly that Gegard asked him if it was true that the UFC offered 40/40 also. he wouldn’t ask “is it true” unless that is what he was told. He isn’t calling up the UFC going “I’m pulling a number out of my ass…is it true you offered the number I just made up?”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 7, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

But, but, but...

We don’t know that for sure.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 7, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

and we have to be 100% about everything* before we discuss it or come to conclusion about it.

*everything does not include things that would reflect negatively on the UFC, we don’t need to be sure to discuss those.

by Phildo on Aug 7, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Rob, why do you think Mousasi called the talent relations department of the UFC to ask him about a specific offer after he renegotiated a new deal with Strikeforce? Here are some possibilities:

1) His management told him the 40/40 figure, and then later someone tipped him off it never happened;

2) He dreamed he was offered 40/40 by the UFC and called to see if his dreams come true in real life;

3) He thought he could convince Joe Silva that they actually did offer that;

The fact that Mousasi called Joe Silva raises a huge, huge red flag. Especially calling with a number he heard he was offered and he wanted to confirm. Mousasi wouldn’t even flat out deny that his management stabbed him in the back, something every fighter would deny if it wasn’t true.

We don’t have a confirmed story and we never will because Mousasi is never going to come out and say he was lied to, at least not until he gets new management. But it’s not unreasonable at all to see this for what it is.

by Michael Rome on Aug 7, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Call to Talent Relations

Mousasi probably called talent relations because he indeed heard a 40/40 offer from somewhere, and wanted to confirm whether that was true or not.

What we don’t know—which you concede above, what was the source of that 40/40 offer? You don’t know, and neither do I. Is it possible that someone at Zuffa (not Joe Silva) relayed such an offer to Apy? Yes—it is possible. Is it possible Apy just lied—its possible (though, appears less likely given the other facts we do know).

Do you not recall all the statements from Dana made in public that Fedor was being deceived by his management? What did Fedor have to say about that—just recently?

Red flag? Sure—it raises concerns. I wouldn’t even dispute that (though again, it is hard to understand the motive when Zuffa was making no offer at all, and apparently, Gegard was already contractually bound (his Affliction deal was nonexclusive).

Is that the conclusion of this editorial? Red Flags are raised that should be looked into?

See it for what it is? What is it? Under the BE version posted above, it is Apy lied about a non-existent offer to an already contractually bound fighter? To gain what?

Misinformation on the other hand—there is a lot of motive for that.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Which version posted above?

the editorial note I made on the main article? I think the puzzle pieces add up pretty well.

1) Mousasi calls the UFC to ask if they had offered 40/40. In your world he does this rather than ask his management what the offer was. In my world it’s much more likely that he was told this was the offer by his management.

2) Mousasi refuses to deny that his management lied to him when it would be very easy to say “that did not happen”

3) Silva says no offer was ever made. Again, the idea that one was had to come from somewhere and again, why wouldn’t Gegard just talk to his management to clarify? Why go direct to the UFC if he trusts his management so much?

Then again I suppose when your entire mission revolves around M-1 being the kind of promotion you want and the UFC is pretty much the exact reverse…it’s pretty easy to see why you’re so quick to ignore what is a pretty easy picture to figure out.

It is some pretty neat acrobatics on your part to quote things Silva says and say that they’re “the only facts we have” but claim that other quotes from Silva are potential misinformation.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 7, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Reading Comprehension Part II

Come now Brent—you can do better.

We can, given the nature of the statements from Silva which have not been refuted, conclude with reasonable certainty that Joe Silva in fact made the statements. That is the “fact.”

Where are these acrobatics of which you speak on my part?

Asking you to confirm your source for your statements?

Where in my posts have I asserted anything was misinformation? Didn’t I just conclude that was a possibility?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions

More Conclusions

You can conclude what “kind of promotion” I want?

Based upon what exactly, Brent?

Is this in my posts, or are you acting omniscient again?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

So you’ve not been an advocate of co-promotion during this whole MMAFA “thing?”

Whatever, I’m done arguing with you. It seems that you’re clearly not seeing what everyone else is. I’m done arguing with you about it. I stand by what I said because I think it’s pretty clear that it is the case.

I’m not going to back off of an editorial comment because Rob Maysey (fighter advocate…when it’s convenient) feels I shouldn’t have said it.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 7, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Tucks--

Please lead me to your source for what sort of “promotion” I prefer Brent—I’m curious. Or, are you merely taking potshots because you don’t agree with the aims of a fighters association? Rome sent a list of questions—didn’t make it around to posting the responses for some reason. They were published on Payout a few weeks ago.

Any other questions you have, feel free to ask then you won’t need to make conclusions with no foundation. I’ll gladly answer.

You made the claim about M-1’s veracity as bottom-line fact—any support? Are you saying it is just your opinion based upon your view of M-1? Any factual basis at all to support your editorial? Any proof of who is lying?

Any sources for the conclusions in your editorial?

As a fighter advocate, I would be very happy to receive such proof, and will respond accordingly. That not reasonable?

When its convenient? I, personally, believe it is responsible to have facts before arriving at conclusions, and then take actions accordingly. Not when its merely convenient.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I will base it based on your website. I will also say you are wither being willfully ignorant or maybe just don’t understand the art of figuring out information from what people say, and more importantly, what they don’t say. This thing should raise huge red flags, and I would hope that a fighter advocate would think about the fighter first. Or do you just wait for when it is convenient?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

LOL

What about the website?

Please show me where I assert what sort of promotion I prefer.

Willfully ignorant? Not at all—again, I don’t have near the information to determine who is at fault. Neither do you.

If M-1 deceived the fighter for their own gain—I’d be indignant, and comment about it. If, however, that did not occur, and M-1 (and indirectly) Strikeforce are being tarnished, will that not affect fighters too?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Read what Mousasi said. Look at the words he chose to use. Then even mroe importantly, think about what he didn’t say. Use all of that to try and figure out his feelings and stance on the subject.

You do not use the word honor unless you feel negatively about the thing you are talking about. You then do not say that the promoter is honest and not comment on if your own manager was honest if you feel that nothing was done wrong.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Possible

Possibly so—I am not certain.

I am also unsure as about the “offer” of 40/40, and Silva’s comments about “no offer at all.” Silva I am confident believed that to be true. As well, it may have been a necessary statement to make given Gegard’s contractual status.

I am sure about what was said about Fedor and M-1, and Fedor’s comments regarding the situation. Weren’t the public comments being made about M-1/Fedor very similar to those being made now (after the fact) in regards to the UFC “offer” which may or may not have been made.

In short, we do not have near enough information.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I think we have enough information to want to know more. I hope to see more investigation into this from the MMA journalists, because something is very wrong here. Either Apy lied, Joe Silva lied, Mousasi lied, or Apy got trolled by a false offer.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Based on you starting a fighter association. Your enemy is the big bad promoter.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

"Big Bad Promoter"

No—not at all.

In fact, a great deal can be accomplished that has nothing to do with promoters—nothing at all. In other ways, the Association will complement and aid the promotions.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

From reading on your website, you are concerned with the UFC taking advantage of the fighters, especially bypassing their management. You are concerned with promotions taking advantage of fighters. maybe you should be concerned as well of managers with their own promotions taking advantage of fighters.

What is your stance on Finklestein being both a manager and a promoter?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Very Good Point

In regards to management. . . it is indeed a concern, and something that we do speak about on our visits.

In regards to treatment of fighters, you are correct. Numerous articles. I believe there are also several on WAMMA, and on the Ali Act (which applies across promotions).

I have said numerous times, at a certain level of promotion, promoters should not be managers. That said, in Fedor’s case, that “conflict” doesn’t exist, because Fedor is also an owner of M-1. This is the same scenario as Golden Boy/Oscar, or Klitchko’s/K2 (I think its called that), etc.

As a means to “skim” only off the top, and thereby in actuality divert purses, I am vehemently opposed.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I would absolutely love for someone to do some digging on M-1. That they have never applied for a promoter’s license in the US seems kinda strange, and when Vadim was asked about it on the conference call the other day he disappeared from the call for several minutes and nothing was said on the matter. Again something smells fishy.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions

So we have a situation where a fighter may of been seriously lied to by his own management but you laugh it off and mock the situation, thats some real fighter advocacy at work right there. The fact that the ufc didnt make a offer is the whole issue here, m-1 told him they did make a offer and it was a low offer when they had never even contacted them to discuss it at all.

The ufc’s involvement is irrelevant, the issue is what m-1 told mousasi yet you cant seem to get past talking about the ufc. That’s organizational bias.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 9:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Rob Maysey of a Fighters Association not pissed about m1 lying that the UFC made a crappy offer to make him sign with Strikeforce?

what is the world coming to?

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 7, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions

He used his brain. People should use it more often.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions

Either evil or grossly incompetent.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Wow.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 6, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions

I wish I could say I was surprised.

by VegasBatman on Aug 6, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions

I am..

I know M-1 is filled with some shady characters. But this is pretty shocking.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, I was totally and admitedly naive about Dana going to “war” with Strikeforce. Guess now it’s your turn.

There is just to much smoke with these guys for there to no be fire.

by VegasBatman on Aug 6, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Even more so now than ever...

thank god the UFC dodged these fools… Feel bad for Mousasi but if signed the contract already w/ Strikeforce, isn’t he stuck?

No further comments on Bruce Wayne.

by Gunslinger20 on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions

I’m sure there would be a way out of it.

Signing a contract under false pretenses, issues with his manager and the athletic commission.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, but he’s be tied up in court so long it wouldn’t be worth it.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Actually It Depends

A contract can be legally broken by law within 30 days of signage. It has to be deemed a reasonable withdraw though.. In this case he was lied to by his management. If he wanted he could pursue legal action and withdraw from the contract. He would then be obligated to file a counter suit against his management for wrongful doing.

His other option is to remain under the new contract, file a civil suit against his management for the loss of wages and hope he can get a judgment in his favor for the differences.. I’m not sure because we don’t know the true specifics of each contract and in which states see’s the contract as binding.. Each state varies on definition of contract law.. But this is merely a contract for services and no services have been rendered and it’s within 30 days.. So he should be able to return any and all advance monies from the signing and be able to get out of the contract free and clear with little to no hassle..

by MMAuthority on Aug 6, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions

excellent insight. made my post below before i noticed this line of discussion.

by woooburn on Aug 6, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions

It sounds like he’s chocking this one up as a learning experience and going forward with what he agreed to, of course the UFC C & D may change things.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m not so sure if a C&D will have too much effect on the situation at this point.. I only say that because the date today and the fact that we dont know the exact language of the contract in question..

The only thing I can say is that by “federal” law any party entering into a binding contractual agreement has 30 days from the date of signing to withdraw if they deem there was wrongful doing…

by MMAuthority on Aug 6, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, but if SF wanted to challenge him on it they could. That’s where the court time would come into play.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

True

Strikeforce by law has the option to object on any withdraw from the contract as well. It would be tied up in court for about 30-60 days.. All that’s needed is solid proof of “wrongful doing” at any point of the negotiations and it voids the contract. IF his representation misled him than that would fall under the rules of guidelines..

However, it would become a “civil suit” and no criminal charges can be filed in either case.. It’s more of a he said/ she said civil case..

by MMAuthority on Aug 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

And either way it would fubar the upcoming fight.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions

It just gets worse and worse for Gegard.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions

No

The UFC could not stop the forthcoming fight from happening at this point.. It’s too far into the date of the fight..

The fight is next saturday.. They would not get a hearing in time and a ruling before then.. They could however ask for loss of wages in the civil suit on their end if they were found to be in the right ..

It’s a big gamble for Zuffa at this point to chase after SF but it’s not like they dont have the time and pockets to make it a dog fight either.. If anything it slows down the progress SF could make.. Because now it put’s that particular fighter on hold after this fight until it gets cleared up..

However after hearing exactly what Joe Silva said.. SF has a legal loophole to get out of it now.. Because there was never a legit offer presented to Gegard.. They only said that they “would have” offered him his Affliction purse as their deal.. So without an actual offer made then regardless, if it was ethically right or not, there is no “wrong doing” on his management’s side from a legal stand point..

by MMAuthority on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s not SF that did anything wrong. It’s M-1, who misled Mousasi into signing this deal.

And I agree, they won’t be able to stop this fight.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Well that’s a relief. The man has been screwed over enough as it is.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes ..

I meant SF/M1 as a collective..

M1 ethically did something wrong, but from a legal standpoint they did nothing wrong because there was never a “real offer presented” to Gegard by the UFC..

by MMAuthority on Aug 6, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I may be wrong

Zuffa does have a legal leg to stand on here as well. They did collect the fighter contracts from Affliction & Gegard was under contract by “bout agreement” to Affliction.. This is different than Fedor’s deal because Fedor was dealt in a different manner to Affliction through M1. Gegard was delt without M1 being attached (other than management duties).

Zuffa could file a C&D order and get it before a judge.. It just depends on if Zuffa can prove that SF/M1 interfered with their negotiations at anypoint. Because by law they were deemed priority rights by default from Affliction. They would have had to tell them flat out “no” we dont want to pick up your contract before they were cleared to move forward with another deal, again depending on contract language.. It’s all very relative to what the language of the contract reads and how the rider is attached..

by MMAuthority on Aug 6, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions

That's a big if

One thing I hope mmalogic would have sorted out since he is such an insider is the details of these contracts.

Were the contracts between M-1 Global and Affliction partnership agreements or service agreements?

If a service agreement were there any non-transfers of ownership clauses in the contract?

If the contracts were actual partnership agreements than it’s unlikely Affliction could just sell off to another partner with some form of M-1 Global consent, that is a pretty standard boiler plate clause.

For the non M-1 Global fighters I doubt they would have such a clause(s) in their Affliction contract.

by bignerd on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions

He’s already stated that Scott Coker was honest with him and he would honor the Strikeforce contract. It’s not Strikeforce that he is mad at it’s his own management.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

But what if he’d rather fight in the UFC though? What if the money turns out to be better there? Is he stuck w/ the Strikeforce contract or is he going to be given a choice of what to do?

No further comments on Bruce Wayne.

by Gunslinger20 on Aug 6, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I think he chose to honor his Strikeforce contract because Coker was honest with him.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions

maybe coker will get down on his knees and ask dana to call off his dogs, if he releases mousasi to the ufc.

i can dream, can’t i?

by woooburn on Aug 6, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions

It might not be too late for Coker to get out of the Fedor business.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions

or Coker can have Mousasi fight in his organization and give a big middle finger to Dana

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions

It sounds like he plans on finishing it out and isn’t upset with Strikeforce. I’ve got a feeling his days under the M-1 umbrella are numbered though. I’d look for him to be shopping himself to the UFC (with new management) is a year or two.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Mousasi wont waste his time in court to get out. But he could and would win. Honestly, I think he might be afraid to do it.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions

Afraid? Got any unsaid information?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, it’s pointless.

He could fear being shelved for quite awhile, losing value to his current record. It’s better to simply fight out his deal, hope he defeats the names he fights, and get a better deal with the UFC.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Sounds like a Jake Shields kind of situation.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

yep, sometimes it’s better for these guys to just keep fighting and finish the contract than it is to try and get out of it.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Why would a manager dodge the opportunity to make more money off of a fighter? I don’t understand.

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Aug 6, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions

Because these jackasses think, for some reason, that “co-promoting” with someone else and having control over the broadcasts in places where no one cares is worth more money than they can get from the UFC.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

You start wondering if there are other revenue sources abroad they like being able to use fighter likenesses for. Actually, you start to know it.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

probably...

because there is more financial motivation to do something else…but not something that makes the FIGHTER more money…and probably something under the table

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Its M-1... man

Russian Mafia theories will explode all over the internet more so now than ever…

No further comments on Bruce Wayne.

by Gunslinger20 on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

To make him stay with Fedor and M-1 Global?

by Nick Thomas on Aug 6, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions

*waits for one of the vadim-apologists to come in and try to say that this isn’t a big deal

by fozo on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions

“I am completely in control of my career”—Fedor Emelianenko.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Rarely is a hot internet debate settled so quickly and decisively.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs

I agree

M-1 is just making it so easy to see what shady organization they are.

No further comments on Bruce Wayne.

by Gunslinger20 on Aug 6, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Luckily M-1 quickly squashes any possibility of said argument ending in their favor.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 9:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Where are the Zuffa haters?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

SuPreMaCy and JackO are participating in a tagteam WoW tourney, they’ll be here in a little bit.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs

What about FredPancake and Coleko?

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by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I assumed FredPancake & JackO were the same guy

by MMA_Messiah on Aug 6, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

^this

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by funnytiger on Aug 6, 2009 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Maybe...

I swear I saw them both commenting at the same time in a few of the Fedor posts…

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by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions

The Ninjas got to Coleko

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

And I was worried the aliens beamed him up

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by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Coleko is okay

KING FEDOR, though..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions

What Was That?

It’s f*cked what happened to Gegard. It seems that he is okay with honoring his Strikeforce contract because he knows Coker had nothing to do with it though. If true though, he should definitely find new management. No fighter should be screwed out of money.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions

It was just a joke

Sorry, I shouldn’t have lumped you in with JackO, but I thought it was funny and you two were the first ones that came to mind when I heard “Zuffa haters”.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 7, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions

i think he's more Pro "non-UFC MMA", than zuffa hater lately..

lately…

PS
that’s a compliment. haha. :)

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 7, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions

Everyone under M-1 should find new management.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Boom! Headshot!

by Foxskinrug on Aug 7, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions

This can't be true

I mean, remember everyone yesterday on Leland’s post saying his manager wouldn’t do this and we were reading way too much into Mousasi’s quote about honoring the contract? They couldn’t have possibly been wrong, right?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 9:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

It was evident from just reading the quote that this was the case. I’m glad it’s been validated. I tried to actually contract Apy Echteld regarding WHEN Mousasi was signed to confirm the conflicting reports by Coker and M-1. Coker says MONTHS ago, but that’s obviously not the case. Now, I’m hesitant to believe what Coker stated as well.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

And now I’m officially getting disappointed.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, anyone who wasn’t looking at it through anti-Zuffa colored glasses could tell by the words and tone he used that he wasn’t happy about it and had more that he wanted to say but couldn’t.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s always Anti-Zuffa… what about my pro-Strikeforce tinted glasses? I don’t think it’s a zero-sum game at this juncture.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

God dammit just get some contacts

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Have you noticed a certain opinion group tends to be wrong over and over? The record is something like this:

1. Randy will leave the UFC and fight Fedor.
2. Affliction will make it big
3. EliteXC won’t die
4. Affliction’s losses are just advertising expenses
5. M-1 doesn’t manipulate its fighters.

When do you start being wrong so often that it just gets old?

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs

Yeah, thats why I’m always pretty confident in my opinions, because I’ve always been on the opposite side of the spectrum. I love it. haha

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 6, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions

True. I have to say that this is one of the worst things I’ve read about in this sport (in regard to an agent’s behavior). I like Scott Coker a lot, but if he’s the guy I think he is he should recognize that Mousasi was not dealt with in good faith and give Mousasi a chance to re-negotiate. This is just wrong.

by Rich Wyatt on Aug 6, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

Yes.

This is why I don’t get mad when I am called an idiot by idiots.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

I guess I'm just not as present as you are,

‘cuz I barely get any flak from people other than supremacy, and even then it’s pretty well contained.

Still though, I’ve got your back.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 7, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

It’s like you’re signature says…

Shameless self-promotion! http://twitter.com/scb0212
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by themachiavellian on Aug 7, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions

Sometimes it’s not UFC-nuthuggery.

Sometimes is just anti-stupidity.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs

i must green this

by fanaddict on Aug 7, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes! Yes!

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 7, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions

bwa ha ha ha!

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by AJB on Aug 7, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Michael Rome...

…u always nail points that seem so obvious to me. u make it so I don’t need to comment and thanks! this is why I love be, no sherdoggers in sight

by cagefightonacid on Aug 7, 2009 1:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Being right about each and every one of those things feels damn good.

by Foxskinrug on Aug 7, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions

It does, doesn’t it?

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions

weren’t asking me, but I’ll answer anyways…

yes, yes it does…

by Reaser16 on Aug 7, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions

If I was Fedor I would definately be suspicious…you can’t see a fighter get fucked over like that and not think SOMETHING, of course, Vadim’s word is gold to Fedor…ugh M-1 needs to gtfo.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 6, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions

Fedor doesn't give a shit

As far as I’m concerned, he’s not just ducking the UFC, he just hates the goddamn UFC.

by NinjaCodah on Aug 6, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Wether he hates the UFC or not, the idea that the #1 HW in the world may have been lied to about his contract disgusts me.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 6, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Dana badmouthing him doesn't help either..

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Your right about that, Dana playing big mouth fight promoter plays right into all of it. It makes it real easy for Fedor to be anti-UFC and you know he trust what his managers tell him. For Mousasi it seems that it’s a completely different story though. Heck if this story is true he’s the one who initiated all of this by personally calling Silva to ask what was up, that right there shows a distinct distrust of his management from the start.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions

If he’d prefer someone who acts like his friend but rips him off behind his back over someone who has a bit of a mouth but pays him what he deserves then maybe he belongs with M-1.

by brad23 on Aug 6, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

For all we know Fedor is a part of this.

by VegasBatman on Aug 6, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

For all we know, it could have been Dana and Lorenzo giggling on the conference call today! Haha…

I need to find the link to download that.

"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate

by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 6, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

We may not know that, but I’ve certainly decided to believe it. Then again, I also think Vadim was sicking werewolves on the reporters for asking some of those questions he didn’t like.

by VegasBatman on Aug 6, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions

http://www.tapoutlive.com/media/7590/StrikeforceM1_Teleconfrence/

by Nick Thomas on Aug 6, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Just listened to it...

Wow, it was a train wreck.

Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo

by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions

But hilarious.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

For sure!

Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo

by ANance on Aug 7, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

This makes me sad

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by donkeypunch on Aug 6, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions

does anyone with some legal knowledge...

… know if the UFC has a leg to stand on with the cease & desist order? or was that only based on the ufc’s assumption that he owed affliction another fight? it’d suck for strikeforce, but i’d like to at least see his agent held accountable.

by woooburn on Aug 6, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Great Question.

by NinjaRehab on Aug 6, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ve actually had some experience with C&D orders. From what happened in my personal case, I was sent one regarding employment a long time ago. I didn’t understand the basis at all, and contacted a lawyer. From what I can gather, it’s an order to cease, but if they truly want to actually stop you… they have to seek a hearing and have a judge deem it illegal. They haven’t done that yet, at least from what we’ve heard.

In my case, it was a stupid scare tactic, and nothing ever happened.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions

interesting. thanks for the insight. must’ve been intimidating, even if it didn’t amount to anything.

by woooburn on Aug 6, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Not really. I had an old employer in the IT industry get C&D’s all the time for ridiculous intellectual property stuff, and it was all bullshit. It’s just scare tactics from bigger companies. Technically, you could file something in regards to the annoyance and intimidation, but it isn’t worth it.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

BREAKING NEWS: Josh Gross: M-1 disputes claims that on Mousasi

That will be Gross next stry

by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

Dana on Mousasi

"He was lied to. It’s a fact"

on the a cease and desist letter to Strikeforce and M-1 to try and stop the bout

"Maybe we did," said White. "I honestly don’t know. I’d tell you if I knew."

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions

sherdog

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Didn’t know they let sherdog trolls post articles.

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

this reminds me of something: ufc rookie camp

i’ve long thought this would be a great thing for them to implement for newcomers (or anyone really). like they do in the nfl, and other sports. media training, financial workshops etc. seems like they could avoid alot of agent skimming that way. not just with their ufc deals, but with training camps and endorsements too. we all remember what happened with rampage and juanito.

at the very least they should make it mandatory for all fighters to be present during contract talks.

then again maybe they do this kind of stuff already, and i’m unaware of it.

by woooburn on Aug 6, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions

Fedro has yet to meet with the UFC in person.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions

M-1 Global confirms UFC sent cease and desist letter on Mousasi

M-1 Global has confirmed that the UFC sent a ‘cease and desist’ letter regarding the promotion of a fight between Gegard Mousasi and Renato ‘Babalu’ Sobral.
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Fighters Only reported yesterday that the UFC sent the letter because it alleges Mousasi was misled by his management as to the extent and value of the contract the UFC was prepared to offer him.

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions

FUCK EM UP DANA!!!!!!!! Haha…sorry.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 6, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions

FUCKKKKK

I really want to see Babalu vs. Mousasi but I also think he got screwed by M-1. Ugh.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice fight, but how bout all the fights he could see in the UFC.

by SES 84 on Aug 6, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions

I still wanna see him against Babalu. The UFC can wait 6 months.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Will Strikeforce last that long

…They will but I couldn’t resist.
That’s fair though Babalu doesn’t interest me that much because he is on the tail end. Whereas we just don’t know with Mousasi, but I have no problems with that fight.

by SES 84 on Aug 6, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually, this has merit.

Originally, we thought it was because of Affliction contract ownership of Mousasi… but this makes much more sense. I’d have been much more receptive to this line of legality over the original story.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Zuffa can send a C&D to M-1 based on shady management dealings in regard to a fighter that Zuffa has no ties with (correct?) and didn’t make an offer to in the first place?

by Grappo on Aug 7, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions

They never got a chance to make an offer from what I understand.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions

from what I read, they declined to offer him a deal because he was signed to be in the EA game.

by Grappo on Aug 7, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions

You can send a C&D to anyone asking for anything. You can do it without having any legal grounds what’s so ever. It’s essentially a threat and is up to the person who received to decide how to handle and respond.

by bignerd on Aug 7, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Even if you don’t plan on following it up, I guess it is a brilliant way to disseminate information to the fighter (and public) and sow uncertainty, especially if there is a basis for it.

To n00bs like me with no legal knowledge, “Cease and Desist” just rings of authority and of superior legal position.

by Grappo on Aug 7, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions

There are lawyers out there whose entire pathetic existence is to write these types of letters to unsuspecting people simply to bully them into complying or to give up money. There is no legal penalty for writing such a letter (as far as I know, I am no lawyer). Even if the person complies they did so on their own free will so there is little room for legal recourse even if duped.

Anyways, if you ever meet with a lawyer over a dispute both your lawyer and the other party’s lawyer will first write each other threatening C&D letters just to see if they can scare one another into complying.

by bignerd on Aug 7, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions

A C&D is merely...

A way of throwing a stick in your spoke.. Basically slowing your momentum down enough until you get a proper hearing. Usually C&D’s are done through arbitration and hardly see an actual courtroom.

However when dealing with potential big money losses in both Revenue & potential profit losses (mostly in corporate filings) they often times can get expedited to a local circuit judge for hearing (usually 30-60 days after official notice has been made). At this point the judge will hear both parties argument and deem a fair side’s right.. The wrongful party may then be counter sued for lot’s of different things from , Loss Of Wages, Infringements, Deprivation Of Character etc.. It all boils down to what a judge would deem a wrongful act towards the awarded side and then how the civil suit was presented following the first judgment..

by MMAuthority on Aug 7, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Dana has a boner

Honestly, what kind of news could be better for the UFC right now. Even if Fedor wasn’t lied to, it makes M1 looks like skeezballs.

Too bad this news won’t make it outside of the blogosphere.

by SES 84 on Aug 6, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

Is there an un-rec button. I agree with your point but this needs one simply for the imagery of Dana with a boner. Thanks guy.

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by Broncho1673 on Aug 7, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions

Man. At least Mousasi knew his management was shady. Wonder if he will stick with them through his strikeforce fights.

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by IHateMMA on Aug 6, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

He stated he will honor the contract. It’s definitely admirable, but I think the UFC is definitely going to try to do something about this.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope they let him at least fight once and get his dang payday—canceling fights and leaving fighters in the lurch remains something to be frowned upon.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Strikeforce is tripping and falling before the race even starts…See all you fighters in the UFC next year!

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by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

Technically this is all M-1’s fault. Mousasi likes Coker because he was honest with him.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Coker could probably use a hug right now.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

After that conference call, Coker is probably too drunk to care right now.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Should keep Coker and Arlovski from spending a long time in the same room together.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

UFC should just HIRE Coker to help with operations. The guy is legitimately good at what he does, he’s just gotten into bed with the wrong people. Bring Coker out of it all, leave M-1 to die.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, I don’t know that this is the kind of behavior that should be rewarded.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Coker isn’t in too far, his reputation is still intact.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Aug 6, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

^

Ubernoober

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Aug 6, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

When (if) Scott Coker throws Vadim over the railing you’ll be happy just like the rest of us.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Vadim: Kill him Scott! He must die! Give in to the hate

Scott: NOOOOOO (/chucks him over railing)

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

And somewhere Moff Appy is slipping away to the Unknown Regions…

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnndddddddd.....

you just lost everyone

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Not everyone, this is the internet after all.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m a hardcore fan of the MMA expanded universe, even if some of you casual fans deny that certain promotions are even canon.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs

Rec’d for being both incredibly nerdy and borderline incomprehensible.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Rec’d for the same reasons as ^

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 6, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions

yay?

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

It isn’t like HE did it, subo. M-1 management fabricated the offer. Coker probably had no idea. He just offered Mousasi a deal, and M-1 persuaded Mousasi to sign it.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

There’s no reason to think Coker had anything to do with this.

But when you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas. That’s reality.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs

I’ll be sure to give him some Frontline and plastic wrap for his birthday then.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Right. I understand this, but I still think Coker isn’t liable, although I could see a conspriracy theory that he agreed to go along with a scheme

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

He should be free and clear legally but you have to wonder if it also makes him question the people he just crawled in bed with too. He just became partners with people who negotiated fighter contract with him in bad faith towards their own fighter.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s either ineptness or crookedness. The benefit of the doubt just means he’s painfully unaware.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Some people are just to naive for the fight business…

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Aug 7, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Rec’d for hilarity after the conference call today.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

I just got that joke.

+10 points

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I didn’t just post a cliche for no reason ;)

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Someone say cliChe post for no reason?

by CliChe Guevara on Aug 6, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Absolutely, a guy with the trust of fighters and 25 years experence would be a great addition to the Zuffa team.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions

But...

Shit like this happens when you do business with ~~mobsters~~ questionable promoters

by SES 84 on Aug 6, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

True...

But you are only as good as who you surround yourself with

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by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Coker’s honesty is the reason why M-1 will take advantage of him.

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

They made the decision to get in bed with M-1.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Dana better watch himself.

by Sonic Boom on Aug 6, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

Or else what?

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Please, Dana’s dealt with mob types before, an you know what.

He ran and made billions of dollars…I think he’ll be ok.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 6, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Dana hasn't just dealt with mob types before,

Dana unequivocally IS a mob type. He speaks this language fluently.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 7, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah.

THIS is what the sport needs.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

fighter union? What? NO!

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Aug 6, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

CindyO updated her post on the UG. it now reads

From Joe Silva:

I just touched base with Joe Silva and he explained this is basically what happened regarding Mousasi:

Mousasi called him Saturday because he suspected he had been lied to by his manager, Appy Echteld, regarding an offer of $40,000/$40,000 from the UFC and then encouraged to accept an offer from Strikeforce. According to what Mousasi shared, that amount was less than half of the purse agreement he had with Affliction but he trusted his manager and signed with Strikeforce. The UFC would have honored the Affliction deal of $125,000 purse plus win bonus had Mousasi signed with them.

Contrary to the claim made today by M-1 that Mousasi was on the phone during negotiations with Joe Silva for his services, Joe adamantly denies that is true. Had that been the case, there would have been no reason for Mousasi to call Joe to question Echteld’s claim of a $40,000/$40,000 offer from the UFC.

Cindy

* Edited: Last paragraph deleted because it transcribed inaccurately (meaning I screwed up=). His statement to me was an informal one and Carmichael Dave will have an official one shortly. I will add the link as soon as I get it.

by fozo on Aug 6, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions

this is the part that edited out of Cindy's original post, the part that Carmichael Dave is supposedly going to be talking about:

“Appy called Joe yesterday to discuss the issue and Joe told him he knew he lied to Mousasi about the offer because Mousasi personally called him because he suspected that was the case. Appy then said there must have been some big misunderstanding because Mousasi wasn’t ready for the UFC because it’s the top of the food chain but thinks he will be one day (Mousasi’s record is 25-2-1, he’s on a 9 win streak with his last bout ending in rd. 1 VS Mark Hunt via armbar).”

bery interesting.

by fozo on Aug 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I’m not a lawyer, but isn’t lying to your client as a manager considered a breach of contract?

All else told, what a scumbag, Mousasi is one of my favorite fighters and I hate to see this happen to him, especially when he is young & probably naive in terms of contract negotiation, but I am glad he went through with his investigation and found out his manager is a snake.

Hopefully he has some legal action he can take to void his manager of any salary for his current contract, given his complete pre-meditated theft from his client.

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions

Furthermore, M-1 has been running his business for a very long time—Echteld scouted him out really early in his career. One has to wonder if he (and others) have been screwed systematically.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Screwing fighters systematically seems to be a theme in combat sports, every time I hear about these things I always think back to Joe Louis, and this quote;

“Despite Louis’ lucrative purses over the years, most of the proceeds went to Louis’ handlers. Of the over $4.6 million earned during his boxing career, Louis himself received only about $800,000.”

I’d imagine this is a time honored tradition in all sports, however.

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

How much did Don King screw Mike Tyson out of?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Short answer:

everything

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

^ this

by Reaser16 on Aug 6, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

OK now I am confused…

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions

Joe Silva said they never made an offer, but if they did it would have been the same as the Affliction contract.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions

That just means the 40k/40k number was completely fabricated out of whole cloth. Unfuckingbelieveable

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

That or his manager got trolled. He told Joe Silva that a source at Zuffa made that offer.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Basically

"Gegard called me about a week ago. He asked if it was true that the UFC offered 40/40 (40k to show, 40k bonus to win), Silva said. "I told him no, because we never actually made an offer."

How did Mousasi have actual numbers? That’s what you gotta look at. Because M-1 management told him some bogus offer the UFC made, but the UFC never made one. That’s the story.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I mean Apy told Silva.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, that’s really how we know they fabricated an offer.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

If you’re not totally full of it, why not give Silva a name of who gave you this mythical offer?

If it’s someone who actually is in Zuffa, they shouldn’t be giving out false info, so this could stop this.

If it’s not someone from Zuffa and you got trolled in real life, who cares? What are they going to do, think you’re incompetent? Make fun of you? They’re probably going to do that anyway?

That story just doesn’t make any sense. I could understand the managers for the first fight on the undercard of a fight night not dealing directly with Joe Silva or someone we’ve heard of, but how could you think you have an offer without talking to Joe Silva, Dana White, or a Fertita right after the Affliction debacle?

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Wonder what would have happened if...

Mousasi told his manager, I will take the 40/40 offer…I just want to fight in the UFC..

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by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Carmicheal Dave’s post on the Sherdog forums about this:

Joe Silva: “We never even made an offer to Mousasi”

by Tonley on Aug 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions

Silva Speaks: "We never even MADE an offer to Mousasi"

By: Carmichael Dave
CBS RADIO

While UFC matchmaker Joe Silva is a name hardcore fans will recognize, unlike his boss Dana White, you never see his comments on record. Although inarguably one of the organization’s most powerful players, Silva has long toiled behind the scenes, content to wield his matchmaking wand in relative anonymity.

So imagine our surprise when we were given the opportunity to talk with Silva, on the record. What would bring about such a massive change in policy?
Gegard Mousasi, that’s what.

Buried beneath the rubble of the now defunct Fedor Emelianenko/UFC negotiations, Mousasi is a fighter many fervent MMA fans know well, and want to see fighting under the UFC banner. Unlike Fedor however, Mousasi doesn’t carry the same international fervor.

When Affliction folded, there was a feeding frenzy on many of the now orphaned fighters. Silva of course worked to secure as much talent as made sense to his organization, and people naturally thought that Mousasi would be high on that list.

Shortly after Mousasi announced a deal with Strikeforce, the internet fun began. Reports surfaced that the fighter’s management, M-1 (you guessed it, same as Emelianenko) had misled him in regards to the figures the UFC offered.

When asked about these reports, he was diplomatic, stating:

“I am fighting in Strikeforce now and Scott (Coker, Strikeforce Chief) has always been honest to me,” Mousasi told Fighters Only. “I have a contract with Strikeforce and I am going to honor that.”

When asked about allegations that his management had misled him about the value of the UFC offer, Mousasi declined comment.

I decided to contact the UFC to get their angle, since Mousasi obviously had moved on, at least publicly. I reached Joe Silva by phone in Philadelphia, PA in advance of UFC 101 on Saturday. When I approached him regarding Mousasi, Silva elaborated.

"Gegard called me about a week ago. He asked if it was true that the UFC offered 40/40 (40k to show, 40k bonus to win), Silva said. "I told him no, because we never actually made an offer."

Wait, what?

"When Affliction folded, we obviously looked at a lot of their talent available. Mousasi was interesting, but he had also just signed a deal to appear in the EA Sports video game," Silva stated. "We had gotten word from above to stay away from anyone involved in the EA game process.

So the 40/40 figure was obviously erroneous, right?

"Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40," Silva continued.

Several sources say Mousasi was in the neighborhood of $125,000 per fight plus a smaller bonus tied in as well.

"So not only did we not offer 40/40, but HAD we made an offer it would’ve been more than that, and that’s what I explained to Gegard."

Obviously this wasn’t a closed subject back in Camp Mousasi, as a few days later, M-1’s Apy Echteld called Silva to clarify events. What resulted though, was even more ambiguity, according to Silva.

"Apy called me about a week later, wanting to clarify things. He said that there was some miscommunication between his fighter and management. The tone of the call was very polite," Silva explained.

But when Silva inquired as to how all of this started, that’s when things got a little murky.

"Apy told me that he had a UFC source tell him that we were going to offer 40/40, and it was relayed to Mousasi. I asked Apy who the source was, and he declined to tell me. I explained that we never offered any sort of deal, and things sort of ended there," Silva continued.

As to reports that Silva was on the phone with all parties during much of the negotiations, he quickly shot those down.

"I’ve never been on the phone with Gegard and his management simultaneously. In fact, the only time I’ve been on the phone with Gegard during all of this was when he called me a week ago."

Mixed martial arts once again enjoyed the spotlight recently, but for something familiar to any mainstream sport: politics. The soap opera, and "he said, she said" propaganda war between M-1 Global and the UFC titillated many.

If there was one word to describe the Affliction demise/Fedor negotiations/Fedor and Strikeforce signing/Mousasi signing, it might be "ambiguity". Who is telling the truth?

Who knows.

Here’s to finally getting back to the fights fans want to see most: fighter vs fighter.
Perhaps, however, the "politics" of the sport are yet one more sign that MMA is continuing its growth toward the world of MLB, NBA, and the NFL.

It was inevitable, wasn’t it?

by Nick Thomas on Aug 6, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

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by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

bottom line is, the UFC did not make a contract offer,

BUT his management said it was 40/40… had the UFC made an offer, it would’ve been the same affliction contract plus a small bonus.

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

so yeah, his management lied to get him to sign strikeforce's contract..

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

LOL

This is even worse. They lied to him with a fake offer that was never made. LOL, just a huge FAIL.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

another reason why

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

Yeah. that’s the thing, they clearly said “the UFC offered you a shitty deal. Let’s just sign with SF and save ourselves some time” and prevented any real deals from being offered

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 6, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

Exactly...

It’s comical, but at the same time, I feel bad for Mousasi.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

as always..

the fighters lose cause of crappy management..

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

So the 40/40 figure was obviously erroneous, right?

“Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40,” Silva continued.

That’s all you need to know. M-1 shouldn’t just be out of MMA – they should be in fucking jail.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

“Miscommunication” = “Yeah we screwed him over but we won’t admit it”

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Nope :)

Miss communication = “Although ethically wrong… legally I could not be sued for wrongful doing”

The onus is upon Zuffa to prove him wrong. All he said is “He heard of an offer to be made”..

What this means is that we all know they’re full of shit.. However because it’s going to be hard for them to prove there was never any hearsay of an actual offer, combined with the fact that Silva openly admits that “no official offer had been made” it’s going to be hard for anyone to prove he did anything wrong from a legal standpoint..

But in the end we all know he flat out lied and he had motive to do so.. The key here is what rights Zuffa had from the Affliction carry over.. Because they’re saying they never had an “actual” negotiation period for Gegard. Now if they were legally entitled to one, then that’s where it gets tricky on both sides.. Due to the fact that Silva opened his mouth and basically shot himself in the foot in a sense..

by MMAuthority on Aug 7, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Depends on what the purpose of the C&D was. I am beginning to think it is just there as evidence that something stinks in Finkietown.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions

although,

another thing interesting here aside from M1 lying, is that they wouldn’t want to sign mousasi just cause of the EA game..

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

He had a source in Zuffa but he wouldn’t tell Silva who it was?

No wonder Fedor didn’t sign, these guys don’t even know who offers contracts.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Cindy got it wrong initially.

But guess what? They still lied to him. They have a fiduciary duty not to.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

And that's Contract Law folks. Uniform Commerical Code.

Shit just got real.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

In Soviet Russia “Fiduciary” means “Give more money to me”

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

In Soviet Russia, contract breaches you!

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 29 recs

rec'd like hell

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

It is important to remember the Soviet part when making this joke.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Rec’d

by Zack Gobie on Aug 6, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions

classic….rec’d

by Reaser16 on Aug 6, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions

This is full of win.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 7, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions

Well done

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, she really got it wrong, but it actually ended up working out in bass ackwards way.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea, she’s not a good transcriber.

Don’t let people make that the issue. The issue is M-1. They are not honest brokers, and everyone defending them should admit they were wrong.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

This mainly makes me think about Fedor’s past dealings with Vadim. I mean, he’s dealing with enormous numbers versus what Mousasi was getting.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

It clearly raises issues about this. You realize how easy it would be to mislead a non-english speaker on complex contract terms? Very easy, even if he heard the UFC.

Unfortunately, Strikeforce is now 50% partners with them for their big shows.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Well, even worse, we’re talking probably MILLIONS of dollars. Vadim could essentially say to himself “Eh, what’s a few million here and there to Fedor… nothing” LOL, I mean, I could see him lying and skimming money off the top for Fedor’s entire career or something.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Listen, the stuff MMA Logic was saying about a 1 million consulting fee for certain people is stuff I heard a while ago but could never confirm. I think the UFC is going to start disclosing this stuff to make them look as bad as they are.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

Yeah, that’d be a solid strategy actually. Kick them while their down. I mean, this honestly will crush M-1 and Fedor’s standing, even if it doesn’t have to do with actual fighting. I suppose it depends on how much penetration the news gets to casual fans, but this is bad, very bad.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions

how much penetration the news gets to casual fans

they don’t know fedor anyway.. so it doesn’t matter.. what’s important is they know how bad m1 global is..

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Exactly.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions

What could be bad for M1 is that it’s going to reach some hardcore fans.

There will always be the diehards that think Dana is the spawn of Satan and won’t be happy until Zuffa doesn’t exist, but if too much shit comes out, they could risk alienating some hardcore fans who would normally pay/watch/do whatever was necessary to watch Fedor fight.

Some of the people who think Zuffa is evil will still pay M1 and curse everything they do, but some of them might realize that they aren’t as evil as everyone points them out to be, and if they are evil, sometimes it’s better to go towards the lesser of two evils.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s just not fans. It’s promoters like Scott Coker. It’s heads of TV stations like Showtime & CBS.

CBS already had issues with EliteXC. If the MMA press is talking about this enough, they might balk at putting Fedor on CBS.

Words spread fast…. And it just takes one important person to hear the news to really damage anything M-1 is doing.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Guys at work were talking about Fedor and M-1 global being corrupt today and these are guys who don’t even follow the sport regularly on the internet. Heck they couldn’t tell you who GSP was fighting at UFC 100 and they didn’t really even know who Fedor was but they knew he had poor Russian management. That’s sort of scary.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

It doesn’ really matter what the casuals think of the situation, the hardcore fans are Fedor/M-1’s only fans, and if they turn their backs…

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions

What about the head of Showtime Sports? You don’t think this news will hit his ears?

This type of stuff hits the press enough, it is extremely damaging.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions

We may wake up on monday to find that Strikeforce is no longer in the Fedor business.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions

They might have to do an abrupt about-face

Sherdog

On Showtime’s involvement with the acquisition of Emelianenko: "We were involved enough to lend support and make sure that everyone understood how important we felt this was and how valuable we felt that Fedor and M-1 was. Beyond that, I’m not going to get into how involved we were," said Ken Hershman, Showtime Sports Senior Vice President.

If they pushed Coker into this, they can surely push him back out… but can they do it in time… tune in next week!

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Weirder things have happened.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

maybe they’ll get lucky and he really didn’t sign the contract like when he signed with Monte Cox.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

There is always a small chance the paperwork hasn’t been signed.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Couldn’t this potentially help soothe the nascent backlash over Fedor not being in the UFC—after all, his management are now exposed as frauds.

Flipside—he’s part of the management himself, and he claims to be in complete control.

Really really flipped-out-side Alex is suddenly looking like the smart one?

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

lol. I am totally rofl and lmao omg. Capital L ftw

…..sorry it’s the caffeine….

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

maybe that’s why fedor is learning english… and being compared to manny pacquiao… whut?

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

But…ummm…M-1 does…Um….One sec….They do….ah….They’re putting on a show in CA!…oh wait… um… M-1 has a promoter’s license… oh wait no… Shit I give up

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I was wrong!

I don’t apologize for it though.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I somehow doubt that will happen round these parts

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions

How the fuck has Mousasi not fired his manager yet?

Mousasi needs a manager who is looking out for Mousasi’s best interest. Isn’t that what managers are supposed to do?

by Chromium on Aug 6, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions

Трахните M-1

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

let me guess?

Fuck?

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Winner

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

ебать?

by MMAWrestling on Aug 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

The UFC has made M-1 look like a bunch of complete idiots within a week. IN A WEEK!! Imagine what they could do over the course of a year if they wanted to keep this up….

Fedor needs to lose. Get the #1 Heavyweight Title off of him. Be done with this garbage.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions

I’m not following you on why this means Fedor needs to lose?

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Then Fedor is no longer the big bargaining chip for M-1. This would help M-1 expedite the process of M-1 burning in hell.

Just a guess at least..

by MMAWrestling on Aug 6, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, I follow, and that’s logical. I still like Fedor though, so I hope he somehow wriggles his way out of this intact.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions

We all want Fedor to maintain his dignity throughout this ordeal,

but ultimately my mind rebels at the notion that he is oblivious to the dealings of his management team/promotional organization.

I also want Fedor to come to the UFC with a golden halo, but those bumps on his forehead have gone well past conspicuous little lumps at this point.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 7, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions

It doesn’t even matter, man. This already hurts Fedor’s stance.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Everyone with Twitter, you know what to do. I want to see it on trending topcis in 10 minutes

#m1globalsucks

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions

#m1globalsucks

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by Anton Tabuena on Aug 6, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

The second one is obviously Gary Millen.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

The second one is obviously IN Gary Millen.

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Aug 7, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Looks the same to me.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions

the 3rd one

looks the type that gets its grays frosted

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Aug 7, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

You make a point.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions

Leeches are a terrifying prospect.

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm an hour late on the Tweeting

Was there success? Should I spam the living crap out of my 3 followers?

by woomikee on Aug 7, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions

ANance is hot on this shit.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions

I was trying...LOL

Thank God for copy/paste…I even sent it to a few porn stars…

Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo

by ANance on Aug 7, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions

They should know all about their management fucking them.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions

I am totally pumped up for MMAlogic's next appearance

I’ve been posting jive about his 100%/95% predictions regarding UFC 103’s potential new headliners, but he was certainly all over the M-1 Leechery.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions

Unrelated trivia question for brownie points:

“What was the first 1 million dollar gate in combat sports?”

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions

Dempsey v. Carpentier

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions

1 brownie point for you sir almost took 3 minutes :(

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

It wasn't working when I hit reply!!!!!

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions

After reading “How to Fight Tough” by Dempsey, I always thought he was the first mixed martial artist.

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I can't read :(

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Well I’ll surmise it for you in a few words..

He takes his knowledge of ju jitsu, WW2 commando training, boxing, catch wrestling and a few other less than colorful ways of fighting and combines them in a super serious way with horrible WW2 overtones.

It was quite an enjoyable read, I am sorry to hear you cannot :(

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks bro. My girlfriend keeps trying to work with me on it but I just can’t quite grasp it. It’s like why the fuck can an X have a Z sound like in xylophone? Just use a fuckin Z already.

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Xerox
Xylophone
Xe

Generally when a word starts with X it’ll have a Z sound.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly.... and that is bullshit.

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

just say “eks” instead of “z”

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions

English is primarily derived from German, which is an absolute bitch of a language. There are more irregular verbs than regular, and its conjugation makes the brain hurt. Add a bunch of watered-down French to the mix, and you got English!

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by themachiavellian on Aug 7, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions

More than that

I don’t think there’s a european language that HASN’T contributed to english.

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by Paynuss on Aug 7, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I was trying to be extremely general, but probably the only language that hasn’t contributed anything is Basque (though Czech gave us only one major word: robot).

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by themachiavellian on Aug 7, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions

The only language that steals more than English is Japanese. They have an entire alphabet devoted to it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Who is typing this for you?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I've been exposed! (disappears....)

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions

That x sounds like x

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

You just blew my mind

by MauiPimpin on Aug 6, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions

just trying to help

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

What is your first language?

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Those two wrasslers back at the turn of the century

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions

By the way, breach of fiduciary duty claims carry punitive damages.

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Now you’re just confusing the hell out of M-1

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder how them being based in Russia and Mousasi not being a US citizen would affect a court case on this? Wasn’t this similar to what Brandon Vera was claiming?

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Good.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions

From Leland's article yesterday

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/5/978383/was-gegard-mousasi-actually-misled

Mousasi did not say anything leading to think that there is a problem with his management, Strikeforce or the UFC. Nothing.

The sources that said he had a problem are probably the same source that said that the Fedor deal was close and that he will sign"guaranteed" with the UFC.

Lately the anonymous source and controversy maker have been proven always wrong.

by JackO

Speculation, yes, but without any basis. If I was Mousasi and that someone brought to me a story like that, I would say no comment simply because I would have never heard about this before. Saying that because he did not say that it was wrong it’s true, is not a good way to think. He probably did not answer because he did not understand what the interviewer was talking about.

If we are logic, Mousasi has already a contract with DREAM and the UFC could not have signed him because of his fight againt Sokoudjou.

The facts that all the anonymous source near the UFC have been dead wrong each time these last days should call for more caution in my opinion. Creating controversy because a fighter did not answer a dark and unknown rumor is not very professional (but like it’s a fanblog, I assume this is not the problem).

by JackO

Yes, that’s what I said. Here he is just accepting the contract without any problem showing that this rumor is , in my opinion, not founded.

And I don’t forget that all the source who leak misinformations these last days are on the UFC side. We had this proof when we have seen that the Strikeforce negociation were without any leak.

The UFC is using the media and the blogs to do an anti M1 and Fedor campaign imo. it’s quite obvious, since they failed to sign Fedor.

by JackO

But this is just the media being a willing tool of a promoter’s propaganda campaign. No matter how much a tool Millen is, that kind of stuff isn’t necessary. Basically, we have a rumor that is addressed negatively by the guy involved, and because he wasn’t sufficiently strident in addressing it, people are assuming it must be true. It’s nuts.

by yarky1

Baseless bullshit speculation

I don’t see anything in GM’s quote to hint at anything close to shady.

This reeks of a Zuffa "Plant Story" to discredit a rival promotion. Sucks that billion dollar businesses are resorting to High School level rumor and inuendo.

by aaronb

It would be believeable if Gegard Mousasi had stated it.

Right now it is some random chick on the internet saying that "Strikeforce misled Mousasi"

To which Mousasi 100% did not confirm this happening.

It’s taking a partial quote and twisting it to paint a shitty picture. ie "Plant story"

by aaronb

So now, if you aren’t under the zuffa umbrella, you instantly need to comment on any speculation from any random person on the internet?

Sometimes it’s easier to take the High Road and say there is nothing to talk about.

I’m sure, if there was misgivings. That Gegard would be getting out of this M1/Strikeforce deal today.

Non story

by aaronb

This direct quote from Mousasi is why its a non story

"I am fighting in Strikeforce now and Scott has always been honest to me," Mousasi told Fighters Only today. "I have a contract with Strikeforce and I am going to honor that."

That doesn’t sound like a guy who’s been duped by a promotor does it?

by aaronb

He did also mention that he was happy he was going to be able to box with Showtime, and be able to still compete in DREAM and Strikeforce, so, who knows.

How could he be misled about Zuffa’s contract offer when Coker said they signed him months ago and he still has fights with DREAM?

by MMASuPreMaCy

Where you at now guys?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs

At the UG, claiming that “aha, Joe Silva never made an offer so this means nothing other than CindyO lied”

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Sadly, the Underground was once a great place to discuss MMA. It is not a bunch of uninformed long time fans bickering with no real content. And if you post something of substance, people yell FRAT and it ends the conversation.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions

FUCK OMA

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s less and less fun to lurk there, and I’ve been a dedicated lurker.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree. I have been going to that website for years. It’s just not the same anymore. And it’s not the new people either. It’s the people who are from the old Pride days who just hate on anything the UFC has to offer. As if they have been around too long and are too good for it.

I was around that time too. I still appreciate what the UFC has done.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions

JackO & aaronb are under bridges harassing goats.

MMASuPreMaCy just hasn’t landed yet.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions

How do I get quoted for asking a question? I was confused with the situation, and by the looks of it, it was a pretty messy one. CindyO couldn’t even get it straight.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, that’s why I didn’t put you in with the other guys.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 7, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Pretty funny how they disappear like a fart in the wind…

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by ANance on Aug 6, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe they are really anti-Zuffa/anti-UFC trolls and they’ve scurried back to their dens.

Maybe they are really disappointed because they didn’t want this sort of bad deal for a fighter and for the sport in general.

Either way, one can play this sort of gotcha game for eternity (and we certainly seem to) and it doesn’t advance the discourse at all.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Supremacy has been around for a long time. He isn’t a troll. He’s probably on vacation.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

He is working on the spinjob.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

^ this…and we all know its coming…

by Reaser16 on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly—I was demonstrating that there are more than bad faith reasons for somebody to have doubted this story. (Not that there aren’t trolls of course, but playing “Who’s a troll” is so tedious.)

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s not about trying to show who is a troll, it’s about being willing to admit when you’re wrong.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions

How could he be misled about Zuffa’s contract offer when Coker said they signed him months ago and he still has fights with DREAM?

I don’t understand what Coker means. How was Gegard signed months ago yet there’s current talk about his contract now. Something doesnt add up.

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s what I tried to confirm with Apy in my email. I asked them when he signed with SF, no reply. I was trying to confirm the conflict.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Call him. lol

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Because Coker’s lying too.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Coker deep down knows he’s in trouble. He’s not admitting to it in public, but deep down he has to be panicking.

Here is a guy who built an organization up enough to get it on Showtime.

And within a week, he signed a fighter who he finds out comes from shady dealings…. And he has the UFC declaring war on him. A war he likely can’t win financially.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Time to jettison Fedor/M-1

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

It seems like Showtime encouraged him to sign Fedor and co-promote with M-1 in the first place, or at least that what a Showtime Exec. said during the call.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

The problem is, they are gambling with Scott’s money.

Showtime has NEVER been a big spender of sports. They are constantly outbid for big boxing fights.

Does anybody think they can outbid the UFC for talent? Highly unlikely. They couldn’t with Fedor. He just has a corrupt manager. They couldn’t for Kimbo or Tito.

When the UFC makes big money offers to their stars, Showtime doesn’t have the budget to back Strikeforce up.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Right, but they are also unlikely to give him the proverbial boot just yet.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Whether or not Strikeforce is in trouble with this deal, I highly doubt Scott Coker is just finding out about Vadim’s shadiness now. I’d like to think most of us held this view even before the latest Fedor cocktease, there’s no way Coker was in the dark.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 7, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions

That’s a pretty big assumption, one that Gegard doesn’t even make by calling Scott honest.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions

It’s pretty obvious by now that he wasn’t signed “months ago” isn’t it?

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 7, 2009 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

What where is my quote?

That’s one logical conclusion. Another would be the rumor is so out of this world it doesn’t dignify a response.

I’m leaving this as a to be continued but this is not any kind of confirmation.

Thanks, finally some {expletive} journalism! Today’s story is confirmation, yesterday’s was speculation. See, just a little evidence and I will believe you. From Carmichael Dave of all people, at least I know he is honest.

Anyways, I can already predict M-1 Global’s response. According to the quote above Joe Silva never made an offer and Aply had to report to Mousasi what he heard from a source. They will than go onto say how convenient it is for the Joe Silva to say they would have honored the Affliction contract today when they never mentioned it last week when their fighter was seeking a deal. You just wait for more he said/she said.

by bignerd on Aug 7, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions

I would hope for some actual journalism. Something stinks bad in M-1. This plus the blatant dodging of questions on the conference call should at least get someone to start digging.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Well done, good sir

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Still here

What we have is a second-hand report from an interested party, plus according to that report, Mousasi did not get an offer from the UFC. My position is that I have no idea what really happened and from the reports, it doesn’t sound like a story. But I get that people will take any excuse to bash M-1, and I’m fine with that. M-1 sucks.

by yarky1 on Aug 7, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s a first had report from one of the parties that had contact in this not a second hand report. Joe SIlva is saying that he talked directly to Mousasi and that Mousasi is his source on M-1 lying about the offer and he is directly the source of the UFC never even talking to M-1 about a contract negotiation to start with. You can chose to disbelieve Joe Silva and you can chose to ignore that Mousasi when directly asked by a reporter instead of denying this he no commented it and fanned the debate even higher but you can’t write it off as a second hand story because this comes directly from one of the people involved (well two of them if you count the very odd “no comment” comment from Mousasi).

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Nothing odd about it

I was thinking that a UG poster said that Silva said that… The situation as reported still stands that Mousasi had no offer from the UFC and wasn’t getting one so it’s not like he was tricked into not signing with them. He was encouraged to take the actual offer on the table and not encouraged to take one that didn’t exist and wasn’t on the way.

by yarky1 on Aug 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

He was lied to about a fictitious offer from the UFC. His manager said the UFC offered him a low paying contract. His manager LIED to him.

Either his manager lied to him, or his manager was criminally incompetent thinking a fake source was the UFC.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Silva directly said it in an inteview with Carmichael Dave, this isn’t just some story from a UG poster this is something that has been confirmed directly as what Joe Silva is stating by a reporter. It’s a quote to the press from Silva now.

The situation as reported is that M-1 made up a fake lowball offer from the UFC in order to push Mousasi into signing with Strikeforce and Mousasi contacted Joe Silva to see if that was the real offer they made afterwards. This is way different from what you seem to think it is, this is a situation of a manager negotiating in bad faith towards their own client and lying about contacting another organization to get a second offer. Whether the UFC would of made an offer or not is 100% irrelevant (the UFC’s involvement in the story isn’t even the point of it) it’s the fact that the manager lied about even contacting one company to get an offer for the purpose of pushing his client towards a different company. Leave your organizational bias at the door and ignore that the UFC is part of it. The issue is about M-1’s direct dealings with Gegard Mousasi as his management team.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

I got the Carmichael part later. So this is direct from Silva. Something’s still not adding up, though. If the UFC didn’t and wasn’t planning to make an offer to Mousasi, what motivation would M-1 have to lie to him about it? And Jesus Christ, I have nothing at all against the UFC.

by yarky1 on Aug 7, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Good question. Also ask another question. Why did Zuffa send out the C+D letter to Strikeforce? If you read my timetable below, it is to prevent Mousasi vs Babalu from happening on August 15, but what grounds did Zuffa have to send the C+D letter if they did not offer him a contract, not to mention that he was already contracted to DREAM and possibly Strikeforce?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Because Mousasi called them about a false offer told by his management.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

To cut off any possible negotiations with the UFC. To influence Mousasi against the UFC by saying they sent an insultingly low offer.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

But there could not be any in the first place

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Mousasi didn’t know this, I am betting his manager didn’t know either. Otherwise his manager would have told this to Mousasi. Instead his manager told him the UFC offered 40/40.

This whole thing stinks worse than a harbor full of dead skunks.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions

So does M-1 Todd Beard Apy Echteld?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions

Wait a minute...

Joe Silva claims that if they were to sign Mousasi it would be for the Affliction contract. Did this go the same for Fedor sans the co-promotion deal?

Didn’t M-1 state the Fedor contract was for considerably less than what was offered for M-1?

by MatteoFC on Aug 6, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions

Just because they would have offered 1 fighter to fight what affliction said doesn’t mean they had to do that for everyone.

People saying that Fedor’s offer was less than what he was getting before are technically right, but actually being stupid. The GUARANTEE on the Affliction contract was more than the guarantee on the zuffa contract, but a little bit of common sense would add at least 500k ppv buys to Zuffa’s guarantee and that would be more than Affliction was paying.

by Phildo on Aug 6, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions

See, the thing is

that was just a hypothetical. “We’re not offering Mousasi a deal, but if we did…” It’s not like his management steered him away from a legit offer by misleading him about its size. And, again, that’s assuming that Silva’s words are being reported completely accurately and that Silva himself is telling the whole truth.

by yarky1 on Aug 7, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

That they steered him away with a fake offer is the entire issue here, whether the UFC would of made one or not is completly irrelevant because M-1 never even asked them if they would make an offer, they just made it up and lied to Mousasi.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Gotta wonder what Fedor's information is like

Fedor said this during the conference (per Sherdog)

What I think (is) that the UFC’s attitude towards the fighters is not the correct one and I don’t like their policy, which appears to be (a) really forced one, because the offer which we got was one kind, then on the Internet they published (an) absolutely different offer. The offer that we got from them was really miserable.

Considering the solid data that Mousasi was negotiating with…

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs

Finkie said “we need copromotion”
Fedor when Finkie was not on the call, “offer was miserable, if it was like it was said on the internet, we would have accepted”

Something stinks in Stary Oskol

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 6, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

yeah, i’d love for him to state on the record, what he thinks the ufc offer was. not a snowballs chance in hell of it happening, but it might explain some things.

by woooburn on Aug 6, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions

It's literally his only

negotiating leverage point. He’s got nothing other than running up his price against the UFC.

M-1’s whole freakin’ business model is predicated on the notion that there can be only one organization outside of Zuffa that is capable of paying Fedor ‘what he deserves,’ and forcing the price up by courting with Dana.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Aug 7, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions

It’s interesting…

It makes you wonder if Vadim made each stipulation sound worse.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 6, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions

There’s been shady, then there’s the way M1 does things wow.

by Raker on Aug 6, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions

This is going to sound stupid...I'm still a bit confused on how the EA deal ban fits in with all of this...

I’m guessing Fedor under the Zuffa advertising campaign is a promotable-enough star that the ban doesn’t apply to him?

by Tonley on Aug 6, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions

The UFC will probably make exceptions about the EA thing if its someone they really want, or if they signed before the ban was announced (King Mo).

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

At the end of the day, if they can sign somebody that will hurt Strikeforce, they will. EA or not.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea if Mousasi, management had actually contacted the UFC they would of probably made an offer (it might of included getting him away from the EA game). I wonder if M-1 has a monitary stake in the EA game to the point where it’s worth their time to keep their guys away from the UFC?

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

The real danger to Strikeforce is how Showtime/CBS will react. Affliction was once the lead contender to get Elite’s deal. After what Todd Beard did, they lost it. You don’t think the UFC is sending them this information?

by Michael Rome on Aug 6, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs

At the risk of pointing this out too many times in one thread, a Showtime Exec. said during the call today that Showtime made Strikeforce “aware of how important we felt this was and how valuable we felt that Fedor and M-1 was.” (Sherdog) Unless he meant that they felt it was important not to sign Fedor, I’d imagine Coker would be OK with Showtime for the time being.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Glad somebody else is noticing this too.

The UFC leaking this information isn’t about the fans. It’s about going after them on CBS. The last think CBS wants is another false start with MMA. And they are not going to do business with a shady company again.

I could easily see a CBS Executive look at this current news, then call Coker and Showtime and basically say: “What stupid things are you doing down there? You expect me to put this on my network?”

Happens all the time in so many different types of business.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I should also point out, this could help Zuffa negotiate with EA Sports and the WEC contract….

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 7, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

The way it sounds Showtime was in the middle of this from the start, you have to wonder what they are thinking after CBS got burned by being in the middle of the EliteXC scandal? Much more of this kind of crap and we may see CBS corp giving up on MMA on all it’s networks.

by who me on Aug 6, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

If it was the same deal Elite had then they didn’t lose anything, that deal was shit.

I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva

by ufc4 on Aug 6, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions

There are no other contenders for Showtime/CBS if Strikeforce craps out. Bellator? I dont think so. It’s all or nothing for “Saturday Night Fights”

by Sokonojudo on Aug 6, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I have a feeling Bellator isn’t having a second season. If they were, it would have already been announced.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 6, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

A result of the UFC-UK deal/relationship?

by MMAWrestling on Aug 7, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions

According To Coker, Beard is still running Affliction...

Doesn’t that mean that Zuffa is now affiliated with Beard?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Maybe you should write another sponser fanpost

Since you’re running out of things to attack them for from the foggy side of the woods.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Huh? I’m asking a legitimate question, since CBS and Showtime mentioned that it was Beard who screwed up the TV deal for them.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions

What does that have to do with your point in response to Rome? Nothing.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions

He mentioned previously you have to watch who you get in bed with.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions

quickly looks over to see who I got in bed with

by Dooda on Aug 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Oof

Run, man, run!

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you serious?

They’re sponsors now. Todd Beard will not be brokering any television deals, he’ll be screenprinted tacky tshirts and mailing them to the likes of Kendall Grove. Give me a break man.. You’re really reaching..

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Zuffa, LLC and Affliction Holdings, LLC announced that they have agreed to a collaboration

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Sponsorships are collaborative. That’s pretty basic stuff.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Though this was obviously more, because they had to stop promoting and gave the contracts, footage, etc to Zuffa.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Totally

Todd Beard is booking fights now and is the go-between with ABC.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL, only when he has time and not scamming and punching grandmas. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I would be willing to bet it’s a collaboration that doesn’t involve running MMA shows. It probably means that we are going to get an official UFC shirt designed with a skeleton wearing a top hat for sale at the Buckle.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Dude give is a rest. Dana white and company are the reaosn MMA is still here today. Its people like the ones running M-1 that will lead MMA down the long destructive road that boxing has gone on.

by Riley_96 on Aug 7, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions

This should be green.

Seriously, that’s a really good point you bring up. M-1 has proven to be nothing but shady through and through. CBS execs must at some point be looking at this thinking, “WTF is going on? Who is Coker getting into bed with?”

I personally think this is worse than someone like Beard flying off the handle or the rumors of a “stand-gate”. M-1 has an agenda that they’re trying to push through, and they are fucking over their fighters, with whom they have a fiduciary duty to, in order to get this agenda done. If I were CBS, I’d stay the heck way. The last thing they need is another MMA implosion a year or two down the line.

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by pud333 on Aug 7, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions

There’s definitely a lot to worry about with M-1’s shady background, but I don’t think this incident will have much of an impact. Todd Beard could have potentially caused huge problems with advertisers. M-1 lying to a client isn’t on the same level. This sort of behavior doesn’t bode well for their other practices.

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by Mike Fagan on Aug 7, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions

I really hope this causes people to investigate more into M-1.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

WHAT?!?!

Are you telling me the good people at M-1 aren’t honest, ethical businessmen?

www.mma-elite.com

by Brad Ackerson on Aug 7, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions

What good people?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions

What times! What habits!

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 7, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions

please dana,

get mousasi a good lawyer, file a case vs. m1 and try to bankrupt them that way

by theblade on Aug 7, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Three points

1) People should stop celebrating being right about this. Gegard got royally fucked and being right about this shit isn’t worth championing.

2) Count your lucky stars that Dana did not bend to M-1’s hysterical demands. They could just as soon have killed Zuffa like they have everything else in their wake of destruction. M-1/UFC co-production? Shivers….

3) Even when I suspected it, without any real proof, logic was always right about these guys. Someone had to give him some dap after all the grief he’s got in the last week.

I STILL poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on Aug 7, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs

I dont think the celebration is due to what happened to Gegard but due to the proof that M1 are as shady as every one thought. The hope is that Fedor opens his eyes to exactly what his management does to their fighters. As much as dana gets shit on the guy does not fuck fighters over as bad as that.(yes i am keeping in mind what he done to pat M and the coaching position on tuf 3)

by Riley_96 on Aug 7, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions

Agreed. Gerard got proper fucked, and everyone now knows M-1 is officially bullshit, but let’s try to move on from this. I am also super glad that the UFC never signed Fedor. Knowing what I know now, I think the UFC should stay as far away from M-1 as possible. No one fighter, no matter how great, is worth this kind of mess. The UFC doesn’t need Fedor. If the day ever comes when Fedor ditches M-1, then maybe we can revisit this.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions

thank you brett for the clarification. I was a little confused with all the quotes.

by jgersh on Aug 7, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions

WTF

I tried posting a comment hours ago in this and it told me the comments section was closed?

by proflex on Aug 7, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions

That's not Bloodyelbow.com issue

It’s either your computer lost internet connection at the time you hit the submit button or a few of your browser security settings were scrambled not allowing you to post. Either way, SBN just posts this generic cannot post message.

by bignerd on Aug 7, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions

"
“When Affliction folded, we obviously looked at a lot of their talent available. Mousasi was interesting, but he had also just signed a deal to appear in the EA Sports video game,” Silva stated. "We had gotten word from above to stay away from anyone involved in the EA game process.

So the 40/40 figure was obviously erroneous, right?

“Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40,” Silva continued."

This section kind of confuses me though. They didnt make an offer because of the EA deal, but if they had made an offer it would have been bigger than the 40/40 M-1 announced to Mousasi. That part just doesn’t make any sense. If the UFC really wanted Mousasi why didn’t they make an offer in the first place?

by Dropkick434 on Aug 7, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

If the ea thing was a problem at first silva was probably waiting for the go ahead to offer the deal to Gegard. I mean the higher ups must have nixed it at first with a broad statement (ea = banned) when really if it was a case by case basis Gegard might have gotten the offer any ways. I could be wrong

by Riley_96 on Aug 7, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions

The EA deal. The main thing is Mousasi’s manager saying the UFC offered him a bad deal when the UFC never offered him a deal at all.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions

The whole

EA announcing fedor not being a “typo” doesn’t really seem to far fetched, now..

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Aug 7, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

forgot about that already, thanks for reminding…

by Reaser16 on Aug 7, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions

i did too

was reading stuff earlier and it came to mind, bg time fumble on everyone not running the conspiracy into the ground

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Aug 7, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions

for sure…

by Reaser16 on Aug 7, 2009 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions

There are still too many gray areas for me. This needs to be straightened out by all parties.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions

seriously

far to many variables for anything to be considered “far fetched” or viable

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Aug 7, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Of course there are gray areas for you. Big agenda sized gray areas. It took a quote by Joe Silva to make you even begin to try and think about this whole matter.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

o rly?

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Aug 7, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

thats BS!!!! excuse my language, but wtf!!!!

Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.

by mma is #1 on Aug 7, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions

its logical

to say the management can act this way in regards to Gegard, but its not logical to say perhaps M1 was a lil to eager to inform EA of there decision and EA let it slip with haste before they informed the public?

someone letting a partner in a business deal in, on information before the public?

what next? the microwave?…belt driven motors?

also excusing your language inst really applicable with abbreviations,

"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"

by blubber_guard on Aug 7, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

rec’d for the applicable with abbreviations…

by Reaser16 on Aug 7, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions

gtfoh!

by Dooda on Aug 7, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I just read some replies on Sherdog, and the UG...

And I’d just like to take this time to thank yall again for running a good site… It’s one thing to debate with one another over opinions, but sticking to the Anti-Zuffa/Dana/Fertita extreme in regards to this subject, when everything points to this being m1’s fault is ridiculous…

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Aug 7, 2009 5:21 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs

^ this

by Reaser16 on Aug 7, 2009 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions

though I have to wonder what the hell you were doing on the sherdog forums??

:-)

by Reaser16 on Aug 7, 2009 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions

QFT
Sherdog and UG are not worth the effort, I’ll never understand why people waste time going there.

by pr0cs on Aug 7, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions

What’s funny is the number of posts asking for posters to quit making the UG the Sherdog forums. Obviously, the place is going downhill quickly. They need to moderate better.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 7, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions

They really really do.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

They are focusing on the fact that no offer was made, and saying that CindyO is a big fat liar. Maybe one person in 100 has mentioned that Gegard’s manager FUCKING LIED TO HIS CLIENT.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah...

If I can’t call a manager that lies to his own fighter (and then dodges journalistic culpability) potty words then I am at a loss. Apy doesn’t deserve patience, politeness or the benefit of the doubt at this point.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions

Still don't understand

How does M1 and Strikeforce become responsible for the dealing between Mousasi and his manager?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions

Mousasi is managed by M1

By Phildo

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Aug 7, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

i feel like Nick Thomas :)

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Aug 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Mousasi is managed by M1

by Phildo on Aug 7, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions

supposed to reply to aaron

by Phildo on Aug 7, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions

I’ll just throw out a slightly contrarian view here.

1)Mousasi was asking for something like this to happen so some of the responsibility is oh his shoulders. It’s common sense to not have your manager as promoter. There’s lots of decent managers out there, a guy like Mousasi would have agents clamoring to represent him.

2) There are lots of things that might have happened that could explain some of this. You think the UFC didn’t love throwing this out there? You think that the UFC isn’t chomping at the bit to throw out information that would tarnish M1’s and Strikeforce’s reputations? This all seems maybe a little bit quick to conclude.

3) It’s very difficult to imagine M1’s case as being innocent, but no one here (it appears) knows all the details, as shady as M1 seems to be.

by Dooda on Aug 7, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions

That was what I was getting at

Above,

It just seems like everything on the blogs regarding UFC/Strikeforce/M1 is full of spin and double speak.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 7, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Use your head and think. Don’t just say that you cannot come to a conclusion because you haven’t heard everything.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions

By coming to a conclusion that the media has already led you to? That’s using your head? Using your head would entail being mindful that we aren’t privy to the reality of the situation, thus our conclusions are completely subjective and in no way indicative of reality or some purely objective conclusion. Everyone here is eating it all up without pausing to think about the fact that there are other possible reasons for this whole thing to roll out the way it did.

The fact is, we all know that if the UFC could say something that would lead on the media thus damaging Strikeforce, they’d gleefully do so.

by Dooda on Aug 7, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t care what conclusion you come to, but you do come to a conclusion. Don’t cop out by saying we don’t know everything yet. You will never know everything.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions

How is that a copout? Being mindful that just maybe there’s more to the story?

by Dooda on Aug 7, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps a new perspective (perhaps not)

I’m not sure if this was mentioned before but it may not be as bad as it looks. Silva said the upper UFC officials told him to stay away from fighters who signed with EA. Assuming that Gegard had already signed with EA then SIlva never had any real intention of making him an offer. He stated IF he did make an offer it would have been to assume Afflicvtions contract. I’m not going to make an offer to by Gegard’s house but IF was to make an offer I would give him full asking price. Basically what I or Joe SIlva “would have done” doesn’t shit if we never had the intention of doing it.

by naturalist on Aug 7, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah...

except for the fact that it doesn’t excuse M-1 lying.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Source--

What is your source for this statement Brent?

Any proof for this?

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Rather than questioning people coming to these conclusions, shouldn’t you be looking into this? You advocating a Fighters Association and all.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Investigation--

Does Brent have a source for his statement of fact?

If so, I’d be very glad to have it!

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Why aren’t you looking into it? Just waiting for all the work done for you? Or are you ignoring this because of other reasons?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions

That is irrelevant.

M-1 told him that they offered 40k/40k. It doesn’t matter if they offered him 1 million to show and 75% of all the revenue from the card, if they offered him 8k/8k, or if they said, “there’s no chance in hell this guy will ever fight for us,” they didn’t offer him 40k/40k.

Why did they lie? It doesn’t matter what the lie is, manager lying to figher = bad.

by Phildo on Aug 7, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Depending on what conclusions you are drawing it is relevant. If the UFC truly isn’t going to make an offer to him because of the EA deal then it’s very relevant to him as it relates to his options. i’m disputing that lying to your client is bad. I’m just stating that it may not be as egregious as it first appears. It also makes more inexplicable. Meaning there is less reason to lie of Silva wasn’t even making an offer. As is usally the case, there is probably more relevant information than we have access too.

by naturalist on Aug 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions

i’m disputing that lying to your client is bad

What. The. Hell?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

i gotta proof read my shit. of ocurse i meant I’m NOT disputing.

by naturalist on Aug 7, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Fair enough, but read some of the other stuff said here.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Lying to your client is bad.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 7, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

I can’t believe this has to be stated.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift

by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

And yet here we are.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 7, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

It also makes more inexplicable. Meaning there is less reason to lie of Silva wasn’t even making an offer

No there are reasons for them to lie about this that do make sense.

What if they were never even going to contact the UFC at all about a possible contract but wanted to make him think they did and that UFC insulted him with a low ball offer. If they had actually contacted the UFC about a contract then they could of just told him that the EA deal was the issue instead of making up a fake contract offer to tell him. M-1 never knew that the UFC wasn’t going to make an offer, obviously they didn’t even go to them and ask for one. It really sounds like they didn’t even want to find out they just wanted to push Mousasi into Strikeforce.

What if they were dealing under the table with Strikeforce or Showtime or EA sports here without Mousasi’s knowledge? If they thought he was seriously wanting to consider a UFC offer then obviously they would have reason to block that by lying to him too.

There are ways where this makes sense, it’s just that all of them are bad things for a manager to do.

by who me on Aug 7, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Correct--

But that doesn’t enable a scathing article blasting the evil M-1 villians robbing the UFC of Fedor.

by Rob Maysey on Aug 7, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

How about the evil M-1 villains lying to their own client, or being so criminally incompetent to not recognize who the UFC offers come from?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Aug 7, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Summary:

1) Mousasi calls Joe Silva and asks him if the UFC made a 40/40 offer to him? (Last week of July)

2) Coker mentions that he can only comment on Strikeforce fighters (Babalu and Mousasi) after Affliction gets cancelled (July 30th)

"I can only speak for the fighters we have under contract that we allowed them to use," he said. "One is Babalu, and one is Gegard Mousasi. Those are our fighters. The deal (with Gegard) was made months ago."

3) Fedor Signs With Strikeforce. (Aug 3rd)

4) Zuffa sends C+D letter to Strikeforce. Zuffa declares war on Strikeforce (Aug 3rd)

Zuffa has just sent Strikeforce a cease and desist regarding the Babalu versus Mousasi fight.

5) CinyO claims Mousasi got screwed: (Aug 4th)

Mousasi was lied to about the amount of money the UFC offered him by his manager and encouraged to sign with Strikeforce for less than half of the purse amount. Mousasi found out and verified it with the UFC and then confronted his management. I don’t know what happened after that.

6) Mousasi states he will honor his Strikeforce contract. (Aug 5th)

7) Dana claims Mousasi was lied to. (Aug 6th)

8) CindyO calls Joe Silva and summarizes discussion. Deletes last paragraph because her initial post was incorrect (Aug 6th) Rest is in this post…

Mousasi called him Saturday because he suspected he had been lied to by his manager, Appy Echteld, regarding an offer of $40,000/$40,000 from the UFC and then encouraged to accept an offer from Strikeforce. According to what Mousasi shared, that amount was less than half of the purse agreement he had with Affliction but he trusted his manager and signed with Strikeforce. The UFC would have honored the Affliction deal of $125,000 purse plus win bonus had Mousasi signed with them.

9) M-1 Denies claims:

"There has never been any side negotiations about (Mousasi’s) contract," said M-1 rep Apy Echteld, who had been designated to speak on the controversy during the call. "I spoke to (UFC matchmaker) Joe Silva about it last night for the first time, and they said the only thing they should try to do or should do is match the contract that Affliction had with Mousasi."

Echteld said there had been "some contact in the past" with the UFC and stated that the UFC had "tried to stop" the bout in Strikeforce, but that Mousasi had already signed into a contract that he is "happy with."

Echteld said he was not sure on what grounds the UFC was making its claim to stop the bout from happening on Aug. 15.

"I really don’t know," said Echteld. "Perhaps they wanted Mousasi in a cheap and easy way."

10) Dave Carmichal releases full report (Aug 6th) In this posted…

"Not only did we not make an offer, but we would’ve assumed his Affliction contract and its terms. So whatever Affliction was paying him, that’s what we would’ve honored, and it was considerably more than 40/40," Silva continued.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions