UFC 101 Preview: Anderson Silva and Dana White Have a Philosophical Difference
by Kid Nate on Aug 5, 2009 9:06 PM EDT
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Here's Silva talking to Philly.com (HT MMA Mania):
"Sometimes, I can't believe it, man, I can't believe it," Silva, who is from Curitiba, Brazil, and speaks Portuguese, said via translator/manager Ed Soares. "Every time I step inside of the cage, I put my life in danger. Sometimes when you are standing outside of the Octagon, it's a lot different than being inside."
"I am there for the fans, but for the fans that boo, it comes down to a lack of knowledge," Silva said.
Dana White talking to Yahoo's Dan Wetzel:
"I don’t know what’s going to happen when Forrest fights Anderson Silva but I know this, Forrest going to go after him," said White, barely containing his giddiness at the prospect. "Silva is going to have to end the fight."
"At the end of the day, I’m a fight fan," White said. "I’m a huge fight fan.""Here’s the thing about us," White said. "It’s not whether you win or lose; it’s how you fight the fight."
"Guys that go in there and try to avoid a fight, we don’t want guys like that fighting for us," White said. "A guy that (puts) on a great fight, I’ll throw money at them all day. Even when they lose I’ll give them more money than it says in their contract because of the way they fight."
Anderson Silva has got to be driving Dana White batty. On the other hand, Dana signed off on putting him in the cage with Patrick Cote and Thales Leites when there were other options (Yushin Okami, Demian Maia).
Hopefully Forrest will force him to bring it at UFC 101. Then if we're lucky we can look forward to Anderson vs Henderson II, Anderson vs Maia/Marquardt, and maybe, just maybe Anderson vs Belfort or Wanderlei.
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A guy that (puts) on a great fight, I’ll throw money at them all day. Even when they lose I’ll give them more money than it says in their contract because of the way they fight.
This is well-intentioned, and as far as pay scales go I can’t strongly object to it at all—but there is nothing but downside (for me) when this mindset leads to winning competitors finding their careers stalled out because they are boring. Not that I’m saying that’s a serious problem at the moment.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
it leads to Sean Sherk syndrome
where a top fighter changes his game for the worse to try to appeal to the fans.
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Or Gurgel.
But Dana showed that even if you give a show every time, you can still get cut if you lose enough times.
'Ello G'vnor!
or Antonio McKeeism
when a talented fighter becomes amusingly bitter because fans and promoters aren’t excited by his methods.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
I think there needs to be some change in mentality though.
I think every fighter needs to go into a fight trying to end it. People got pissed at Anderson because he pretty much said he was going to win a decision, or make the other person beat him. that can lead to boring fights.
Every fight doesn’t need to be Don Frye vs the blond guy, but it’s better when both fighters are actively trying to end the fight.
I would prefer every fighter to go into a fight trying to end it.
However, I only expect every fighter to go in trying to win. Finishing fights is great, for the winner, fans, promoter et al. Winning though, isn’t just the most important thing—it’s the only thing.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
Agreed
It’s about finishing fights. What Dana is basically saying is that it’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game. I couldn’t care less if a fighter wins or looses, the best fights see both fighters actively trying to finish.
by mictlantechutli on Aug 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
true dat,,,,,,this sport is fueled by ppv buys and the no of seats that ufc tries to fill. theres a lot of pressure on dana as a promoter because theres hardly any main events in recent ufc history that are more boring that silva’s last two outings, people forget that he still feels that anderson is p4p the best in the world, dana is mad only because silva is not being his usual self, he says, everytime he steps in the octagon, he’s risking his life, did he just realize this fact after defending his title so many times. theres clearly a change in mentality here, not in dana’s but silva’s.
I kind of agree with you,
but winning resolves that matter very easily.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
“Guys that go in there and try to avoid a fight, we don’t want guys like that fighting for us,”
Did White imply that Anderson didn’t go out there to fight against Leites? Silva was just sticking to his game plan and didn’t want to give any advantage to leites, I enjoyed the fight.
'Ello G'vnor!
it was a horrible fight to watch, i mean people are paying $50 to watch this… but you cant blame Silva, it has to go to the matchmaking and Thales
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by ekc on Aug 5, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The part where he almost never got hit and was able to be so amazing with his standup that it completely demoralized his foe into flopping around.
by Chris Barton on Aug 6, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, except Anderson probably could have finished it more than once. Especially after Leites was ass-tired and flopping.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 5, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed the fight as well, I thought Silva was very creative with some of the hits he gave Leites. I felt that Leites had to prove that he was worthy of being in the octagon with Silva. Leites should have been released after that fight.
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
“Here’s the thing about us,” White said. “It’s not whether you win or lose; it’s how you fight the fight.”
tell that to Gurgal.
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
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This. The last time he finished a fight was via submission. Grugel never finished a fight via ko and tko :/ …but he keeps kickboxing.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
If we're lucky...
Somebody will knock Silva’s block off and talk enough shit afterwards to light a fire under his ass.
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Hendo baby!!!
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 5, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Henderson is a bit bland, although he has a way to talk shit in a very condescending manner.
I prefer Wanderlei, although Wanderlei would have to be his nutty self from PRIDE.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 5, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hendo can knock his block off, and he’s developing his trash talking skills. His douchebag line about Bisping was funny as hell.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
All it took was a month or so of Sens advertising and now you see the Hendo light.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bisping was seeing the Hendolight for a solid 15 seconds after their fight.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 5, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t even think Wanderlei could make it down to 185. He looked like shit against Rich. Silva would decapitate him.
Let Wandy murder the shit out of some TUF castoffs. He’s earned an easy fight.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 5, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amen to that. If the UFC keeps giving him these top contenders hes going to braindead at 40.
by steveoc24 on Aug 5, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thales Leites >:D
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Thats still at 185. He can’t cut weight. Even Rogan said during the fight with Franklin that Wandy was still trying to cut 10 lbs the day before the weigh-in. That blew my mind. When he fights at 205, he usually weighs in under. I think hes just getting older.
He didn’t look that bad. He could just lift less and run more and he could make 185. Wandy is only 32 or 33, he’s not Randy old.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
He just looked really sloopy to me. Maybe I’m just judging him too hard, but he needs to change his style because thats just not going to cut it anymore in the UFC.
He almost took out Rich
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Rich needs to stay at 205. They keep messing with him. It’s always 185, 195 or 205. I feel bad for him. Give him a set weight class so he can be comfortable.
i don't think...
this proves they have a ‘philosophical difference’…. it just sounds like they are talking about the same thing, in a different way
by cagefightonacid on Aug 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
Silva-Hendo 2
I know MMA hardcores love Dan Henderson, but can someone please explain to me how this fight will be any different than the first? The only thing that has changed is Henderson is older. Henderson’s game hasn’t improved, there is nothing different that convinces me that Silva won’t take him down again, wrap him like an anaconda, and tap him out again.
Where R Teh Dana Vlogs?
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Aug 5, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
LOL @ sad pandas
Today we went to Panda Express for dinner. My 3 year old son asked me what the name of this place was and I told him. He said why is it called Panda Express? I told him it’s because they chop up and cook panda bears there. I’m a great father.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
LMAO!!!
I’m totally going to use that when my daughter is old enough to start asking questions…. what the hell is the point in having kids if you can’t have fun with them? The tax writeoff is nice though :)
No further comments on Bruce Wayne.
Andersons manager said Silva stopped punching Leites on the ground and stood back up because he didnt want to break his hand.
I’m not joking… This is a true statement.
If your afraid of breaking your hand by punching someone then you shouldnt get in the cage again.
by mmalogic on Aug 6, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
100% never get in the cage again or 95%?
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Aug 6, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You left out
a very important part of that interview. Thales was defending the GnP with his elbows and one of Silvas punches landed squarely on said elbow, a very easy way to shatter your hand. It made Anderson realize Leites had the wherewithal to defend properly and potentially break his hand doing that, so he stood up and made Thales fight HIS fight.
Smart.
by Chris Barton on Aug 6, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
“It’s not whether you win or lose; it’s how you fight the fight.”
Awesome. Winning is secondary? That’s just fucking great. Real sports emphasize winning above everything else. You know what “sport” cares more about entertainment? Pro Wrestling.
BOOSH
This isn't really true
Basketball franchises will give up solid teams in lieu of attracting one star to bring in the fans, even if it means they might do as good in the post season. In the NFL exciting teams are awarded with more TV and primetime slots. The NFL VERY much wants the exciting, fan favorite teams to win.
In all sports money rules, it’s naive to think differently.
Huh? I have no idea what point you tried to make re: NBA.
Re: NFL? Yeah, they like exciting teams. But they sure as shit won’t encourage being exciting over winning. And no self-respecting professional athlete is going to try and be exciting over winning.
BOOSH
NBA: A great team with no stars attracts no fans or media attention, therefor some franchises will trade away key members of said team to free up money and space for one bankable star. It ruins their chances at a title, but makes them far more money.
NFL: Yes they do encourage being exciting over winning, which is why exciting and popular teams get the spots on MNF and boring winning teams have to just hope they can make it to the super bowl to get big money. Even then it’s ALWAYS a ratings disapointment.
For years the NFL and NBA have been changing rules to give exciting and high scoring teams an advantage.
It’s how they make money.
I guess we'll just disagree
I have no clue what NBA or NFL teams you are referring to in this case.
BOOSH
NBA: The Pistons dis this a few years back. They had a team that went to the NBA finals twice, but was considered “boring”. They took the team apart and added a star. They can’t make it to the finals now, but they sure got more popular.
NFL: The NFL as a whole is what I am referring too, not specific teams. The NFL rewards exciting teams with nicer rules and MNF games.
The Pistons added Iverson as part of a salary dump due to his expiring contract. They ditched Ben Wallace because he wanted to get paid way more than he deserved. Getting rid of Billups was probably dumb…but all these moves had a reason behind them. And the ultimate reason was to free up cap space to get better players in another year so they could compete again. Lots of times teams will “blow it up” and “rebuild” so they can compete for a title again.
The NFL schedules MNF a year ahead of time. The try and schedule games that have great storylines and yes, schedule exciting teams. But a lot can happen in a year, which is why a lot of times MNF games end up sucking. Also, I don’t think teams view MNF as a reward, like fighters view Dana’s bonuses as an award. Teams probably hate it since they have less time to prepare for the next week’s game.
“Nicer rules”? What fallacy did you just commit right there?
BOOSH
NBA: You’re Pistons time line is off. They had just come off the NBA finals, where they nearly won. But it was 3 years in a row of being called boring, so they restructured the team. It WASN’T because they needed to rebuild, they had the same team if they wanted it.
NFL: Teams do see MNF as a reward. It’s a ton more revenue. They all want to be there. The timeline of when the teams get picked has nothing to do with it, and you agree with me anyway.
You tell me? I’m pretty sure it isn’t one.
also
And no self-respecting professional athlete is going to try and be exciting over winning
This is a perfect set up for the “no true scotsman” fallacy, so I’d rather not go down that road.
This from the guy that says ’It’s not whether you’re right or wrong; it’s how you argue the point’?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 6, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
silva is wrong
just because someone is booing him automatically means that they lack knowledge? that’s ignorant.
To me it seems like White doesn't know much about fighting
Anderson destroys people for 5 years and suddenly he is labeled as a boring fighter who goes to decisions. WTF?
I don’t even mention the technical aspect of Silva’s fight that doesn’t get the attention.
I realize that bunch of drunk people in the audience expects fast action, but c’mon, till now Dana White should realize that Anderson’s fights are display of skill, whether he finishes with KO or not.
Wanderlei fights for the fans (mostly drunk fans) and it didn’t work out good for him: he’s 32 and is second oldest fighter in the UFC (Minotauro is first), doesn’t have face, mumbles all the time, lost 5 (3 by KO) of his last 6 fights.
I wonder if fans will support him when he will be 50 years old.
I guess he won’t be so entertaining on a wheelchair with Alzheimer’s disease?
Some good points there.
What’s funny to me about Dana’s differences with Anderson on this is Dana’s lengthy support of Machida. Its kind of hard to reconcile.
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