Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua on Anderson Silva: I Don't Give a Damn, Even a Parrot Talks
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 5, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
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About a week ago, Anderson Silva ripped Shogun by saying that he doesn't deserve a title shot:
"I’m not saying Shogun is not prepared but how long did Lyoto have to wait to get a title shot? The truth is Shogun fought twice and how many fights Machida had to do? It's obvious something is up. I’m not here to talk bad words on nobody but life is made of chances and I said to our managers this fight shouldn’t happen.. Shogun didn’t fight enough to deserve the belt. The thing is precious and if I was Lyoto I wouldn’t accept."
Now, Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua talked to Fighters Only and responded to these statements by his former training partner:
"What can I say? Who knows my PRIDE run knows that I came to UFC expected to fight for the title because of my previous history. Everyone can speak what they want, right? I have to worry on my own words and not about what other ones say... If he criticized me there must be a reason, who knows? I’m calm because I never did anything bad to him. So if he says such things he is being unfair and it will be hard for him a day..
I respect everyone. It’s OK if he doesn’t respect me back. I don’t give a damn on his words. Even a parrot talks."
Shogun will be fighting Lyoto Machida at UFC 104 and he shared a bit on his game plan:
"Lyoto is eccentric and different from other guys... He’ll keep the same counter-strike game because it is what he does in all fights and he won’t change his style after many years. I also think he will stay with the same strategy... My game is going all over the opponent so the fight will certainly be this way: I’m pressuring him and he is trying to hit me back.
Sure thing Lyoto is the favorite. He holds the belt and comes off seven [UFC] victories in a row. Everybody says he will win so it’s his pressure, not mine. It makes the fight easier for me because I will step in the octagon without obligation."
Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida are currently training partners at team Black House, and while both are fighting at light heavyweight next, they have both said that they would never fight each other. With Anderson's former training partners from Chute Boxe like Wanderlei Silva and Shogun Rua, well that's a whole different ballgame.
Anderson Silva still has his middleweight obligations after the fight with Forrest Griffin, and Shogun Rua still has his hands full with Lyoto Machida. But who knows? After the dust settles, maybe this is a fight that could happen in the near future..
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Oh man, if Shogun beats Machida, just imagine the megafight that will set up between Silva and Shogun!!
Unlikely scenario, I know, but it would still be awesome.
yeah, it would be great,
but i think even if Shogun loses (he probably will), the fight could still happen.. Silva after all, doesn’t want to gun for Lyoto’s belt..
a loss for shogun removes him from the title picture, and those are the guys Silva could fight..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 5, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Shogun on training with Anderson in Chute Boxe years ago:
I was around twenty when we trained together. I am another person and possess other technique now. Everything has changed since that epoch
The MT trainer
from Chute Boxe back in the day had to have been an absolute master at the thai clinch. That’s the only way to explain how effective Wand, Anderson, and Shogun’s clinch games are.
Is it Alejarra or Rudimar who was the main Muay Thai trainer at CB?
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 5, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
so anderson says he wouldn’t sign the fight cuz shoguns not a worthy challenger does he forget his own last 2 challengers
not to mention
that Silva was 1-0 in the UFC when he got his title shot. but I still got mad love for the spider (and shogun too).
But he beat Leben who was 6-0 in the UFC, and was a top contender at that time.
by dancingChicken on Aug 5, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
no doubt
This is an endless debate, I can see the point of the ppl saying shogun is only 2-1 in the UFC, but I agree that shogun deserved the title (with everybody else being locked up at the moment) and silva deserved the title when he beat leben too. But for Anderson himself say that shogun is not deserving, he’s being hypocritical because silva only fought once in the UFC before he got the title shot.
Yeah but if Shogun would won fight with Forrest he would also fight for a title with 1-0 in the UFC (he was considered top LHW at that time). Spider was considered top MW, and he was Cage Rage champion + defeated Leben = titleshot.
Rampage also got the titleshot being 1-0 in the UFC, after beating Eastman…
by dancingChicken on Aug 5, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
but that's what I'm agreeing to
all those fighters were ok to receive title shots by my standards, just as fedor would have been ok by me to have an immediate title shot had he signed with the ufc. the only thing I disagree is with the spider himself making this claim, because he’s saying that machida had to prove himself numerous times before being granted a title shot, while shogun did not (according to the spider). meanwhile, the spider himself fought once and got the title shot, do you not see the hypocrisy with silva saying this?
the difference in the MW division and the LHW division at the times has to come into play.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
I agree that it’s not fair what he’s saying. But being top MW, Cage Rage champion, and destroying top contender values more than arguably knocking out Coleman (after horrible performance), and KO’ing old Chuck.
by dancingChicken on Aug 5, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
to his defense
it’s funny how ppl were still saying shogun was tailor made for chuck, and that he’d knock him out and get back to title contention. 95% of the MMA community was saying that, now he’s just old chuky boy…
There is no hypocrisy
Anderson won his first fight, Shogun looked like crap in his first 2.
by Chris Barton on Aug 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Leites and Cote were both 5-1 in the UFC
when they fought Spider. Shogun is 2-1 (including horrible fight with Coleman, that didn’t prove anything […good…])…
But then again, it’s not about deserving titleshot, but who’s avaliable…
Cote was on a 5 fight win streak when he fought Anderson, but prior to that he was infamous for being 0-4 in the octagon while being undefeated everywhere else (TUF house wins aside).
The reason Shogun got the title shot is because the rest of the division was either already booked for either fights or TUF, or didn’t even have a two fight winning streak.
yea... I'm sure he was shook...
and didn’t think at all how another season of TUF would boost his popularity, the pay day with rashad would boost his pockets, and allow him to let of steam/end this grudge… or how he would get some rest after a few quick turnarounds in fighting Wand, and Jardine….
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
rampage is popular already
he was already a TUF coach, and I agree that this season should be bigger than any other (only because of kimbo). but hey, if the fighter is looking out for more money than pride, more power to him. just don’t confuse greed with pride.
Mauricio SHOGUN Rua
the next LHW champ, and no one will take that belt away from him for a long time. Wait and see ppl, wait and see…
isn't that
what they are saying about Machida and his “era”
that's what some ppl are saying
not me though. don’t get me wrong, I like machida a lot, and was turning out to be one of his major supporters when ppl were calling him boring. but he’s going against someone that I considered number one LHW for a long time (even when he lost to forrest, don’t get me started). Shogun has yet to make me think otherwise, but if machida beats him the way he was able to beat rashad I’m sold, but I still give the edge to shogun in this one. This is a good fight to invest $100 on shogun, not too much to loose and a good chunk to gain.
Don't get me wrong
I’m not saying that Shogun isn’t going to beat Machida, honestly I could care less either way, I haven’t really followed either fighter that much, usually because they where on cards I didn’t buy. All I’m saying is that in the LHW division, everyone that wins the belt gets this label that they will hold the belt for a long time, their “era” has begun, stuff like that, seriously, we haven’t seen an era since Liddel lost the belt, I’m pretty sure no one has defended the belt more then twice, the belt has changed hands 4 of the last 5 fights or something like that, so to say that any one person is going to hold the title for a while, I’m a little hesitant to say that about anyone.
I see your point
but I don’t think ppl were saying before machida that this was “insert fighter name here” era. in fact, I’m sure the majority of ppl agreed that the belt would change hands constantly, given that the LHW division was so stacked after the purchase of pride.
Machida was the first one to actually have that type of aura around him, by being so elusive, that ppl are saying that it’s his era.
It helps that Machida has never lost a round in the UFC. The only time he has ever even remotely seemed in danger was from a Hail Mary triangle that nobody saw coming from Tito. Even that he slipped out of fairly easily.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
If by fairly easily you mean he admitted to nearly passing out and would have if Tito hadn’t switched it to an armbar, then yea…sure. ;-)
by CliChe Guevara on Aug 5, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
by smashing his body with his punches, knees, chins, foot, back foot heal, toe nails, hair strings, etc
:P
I think his best shot is in the clinch and top position on the ground. Getting to those places is going to be hard, and I am not sure Shogun would have the advantage, there isn’t enough evidence either way. Machida has been shown to be weaker in the clinch than when he can control distance but he still has a really good clinch game. As for getting there, Machida has some of the best movement and distance control in MMA, he never goes straight back he is always looking to counter and move laterally to the side. The question is can Shogun crowd him enough to clinch or take down without getting himself hurt badly, and with how Machida’s striking has looked lately I just cannot really see him doing it.
The other thing I am worried about for Machida is Shogun catching him with a leaping left hook, he has shown some vulnerability to that in the past.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
BJ did a lot of that. And the almost triangle Lyoto was in is another good thing to look at. I know he KOed shad really quick, but a lot of his fights go to decision.
You're talking to the BIGGEST lyoto mark in BE..
I’d bet my house he already saw that.. hahaha.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sure he has, but wanted to show how many went the distance. With a defensive fighter, you never want it to go to the judges.
lyoto as a defensive fighter wont want it to go to the judges? Why not?
He is best at point fighting.. that is why he has never lost a round in the UFC.. He doesn’t want it to go to a decision because he wants it to be exciting, not cause he might lose in the score cards..
A brilliant point fighter like that makes it obvious he won the round convincingly, and if there was a robbery it would be caught from a mile away..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 5, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of counter punchers are hurt in judges scoring because they come off as less active. Its the same for a bjj guy who is trying to work off his back ala Sera against Hughes on the last Manchida card, sera was right where he wanted to be and being aggressive, but hughes won the round because he LOOKED like he was doing well (on top). Manchida is awesome, but not all of his fights are like the Shad one. Im not knocking the guy, I love him… but judges get excited by action.
iiowyn is going to kill you for saying that.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re not going to defend your title as #1 Machida mark?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I understand, he only recently got a strength and conditioning coach. It was after the Tito fight if I recall. In his next two fights you start to see his strikes having more effect. I don’t think he will ever have one hitter quitter power, but now when he hits you it hurts.
Machida S&C coach, Eduardo Lisboa
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Just watned to share this article I just found from before the Evans fight.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
What ever happened to rematches???
I mean how do you not let the Champ get a re-match?? Forrest beats Rampage. Rampage doesn’t get a re-match. Forrest goes on to lose to Rashaad…Forrest deosn’t get a re-match. Rashaad goes on to lose to Machida. And now Machida is not fighting Rashaad but Rua…who lost to Forrest. So now, if Forrest manages to upset Silva is he number one contender? Or Is that going to be reserved for whoever wins Rashaad vs. Jackson??
Dana is really blowing it with this division. At least he got Hendo v Silva II right.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
In a stacked division like that, i'd take new fights over rematches..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the only rematch mentioned that I am interested in is Rampage & Forrest
Yes, time flies. And where did it leave you? Old too soon...smart too late. - Mike Tyson
Forrest/Shogun II?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
that's actually what shogun wanted when he beat coleman
a rematch with forrest. I wish the UFC had given him the opportunity to erase that mistake of his career.
If Forrest and Shogun win
They could get Forrest a quick title shot before the end of TUF – then, if Forrest is the champ, whoever wins the show gets a rematch for the belt.
Of course, Machida is going to beat Shogun, so all of this is kind of moot.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
“might” is a different stand than “will not”. was I able to give you some doubts at least that shogun will beat machida? my work here is done!
I never…I mean I hardly ever talk in absolutes. I listed earlier what threats I think Shogun has for Machida. Also Machida might come in injured or sick.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
good
if you said never you’d be contradicting yourself :P
But I hear you man, all I really wish for is a great fight. I thought I read you saying that machida will “definitely, without a doubt” beat shogun, but I must be confusing you with someone else. I already found out earlier today that my brain isn’t doing me much justice lately lol.
Really?
I just feel like it leaves so many question marks in the division.
The division is definitely stacked (by far the most talented division)…but we’re never going to know who is truly the best of all without some re-matches.
Let’s say for argument sake Machida loses to Rua. Everything gets turned upside down.
Forrest already beat him, but he lost to Rashaad. So Rashaad is the better fighter right? But Rashaad lost to Machida…so Machida must be the best? But it was Machida (again for argument) who lost to Rua. So Rua’s the best…but he lost to Forrest.
I’m just saying re-matches really make it clear who’s top dog…I hope Machida keeps on winning so we can end this game of Musical Belts.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if we don't see the champ take on new fighters, we won't see who's the best either..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 5, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Tis very true.
I guess it’s just no coincidence that this stacked division really doesn’t have a dominant and true champion (ala St. Pierre or Silva) there’s really just to much talent for the Champ to hold the belt for more than a couple fights. It’s going to be exciting if Machida keeps on trucking. Imagine he defends his title successfully against Rua, Rampage, Forrest, and perhaps even Evans once more. THAT would be quite the resume. I’d have to put him ahead of Silva at that point.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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