Ranking Fedor Emelianenko's Opposition in Strikeforce
by Kid Nate on Aug 4, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
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Sergio Non takes a stab at answering the question, "is Fedor ducking the best competition by not signing with the UFC?":
The USA TODAY/SB Nation consensus rankings appear to support the criticism. After Emelianenko at No. 1, five of the next six heavyweights work for the Ultimate Fighting Championship. (The exception happens to be the guy whose steroid testing result led to the current state of affairs).
But don't sell Strikeforce's roster short. The second-biggest U.S. promotion lacks anyone with the hype of UFC champion Brock Lesnar, but the top of its heavyweight roster presents formidable options:
- Brett Rogers. No. 8 in the consensus rankings.
- Alistair Overeem. No. 10 in the rankings.
- Fabricio Werdum. No. 14 in the rankings.
- Paul Buentello. No. 24 in the rankings.
Then Sergio runs through the UFC roster:
...consider what UFC has to offer for credible competition over the next year or so, other than Lesnar and Frank Mir:
- Randy Couture. A 46-year-old. A very tough, very skilled 46-year-old, to be sure, but each day brings him closer to qualifying for an AARP membership.
- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. Already lost to Emelianenko twice.
- Cain Velasquez. Has all of six fights.
- Junior Dos Santos. At 8-1, his record is thinner than Rogers' or Carwin's.
- Shane Carwin. His 11-0 record is comparable to Rogers' 10-0 resume -- if you remove Rogers' win over a former UFC champion.
Either way, Emelianenko faces a paucity of exciting, big-name challenges. Little wonder that his choice came down to building his business instead.
In contrast, here's Kevin Iole's take on the Strikeforce heavies:
• Emelianenko-Overeem: ...You can’t rule a guy with Overeem’s power, strength and grappling skills out, but Emelianenko is far more gifted and would defeat Overeem in the first round.
• Emelianenko-Rogers: ...Rogers could win if he could hit Emelianenko with a wild shot, but the more likely scenario is that the fight gets to the ground and Emelianenko submits Rogers early.
• Emelianenko-Buentello: Buentello isn’t close to having the kind of all-around game to defeat “The Last Emperor.”
• Emelianenko-Werdum: Werdum has a good all-around game, but you never know what you will get from him. He has good jiu-jitsu and judo and his stoppage of Gabriel Gonzaga proves he has the power.
But he looked horrific in a loss to Arlovski in 2007 and was blown out by Junior Dos Santos last year.
Jake Rossen piles on:
Setting aside interdivisional fights with Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida -- which would be lots of fun for spectators -- the UFC really has only three upper-tier heavyweights with the skills to potentially give Emelianenko a hard time: Lesnar, Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez. Three.
Strikeforce can match the ante with Alistair Overeem, Brett Rogers and some kind of wild-card entrant: Bobby Lashley, Blagoi Ivanov, perhaps even Josh Barnett.
The notion that Strikeforce employs air-conditioning repairmen and the UFC enlists only Olympic-caliber athletes is pushing the envelope; I'd almost sooner see Emelianenko go on a free-agent tear for a year or two before settling in with the UFC, considering that the promotion's asphyxiating contracts invite retirement at their conclusions.
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there are conflicting reports
about where Buentello is. It comes down to whether he had a pre-existing deal with Strikeforce or if Affliction had him under exclusive contract. I tend to think he’s actually going to be in the UFC but it’s unclear.
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It’s swung back and forth several times. Thought I may have missed out on definitive word. Either way, I think that’s a bad fight, but I do like Buentello.
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Either way
He’s fun to watch, I think he’s hilarious and he’s a good test for mid-tier or up and coming fighters.
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Nice, i would like to see Buentello vs Yvel, like madiq stated. that would be fun.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Not as far as I know.
I’m not really sure why the excerpt up there quotes me as saying Buentello is in UFC. I don’t remember writing that, and the post I’m looking at on our USAT site puts Buentello on Strikeforce’s roster:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2009/08/fedors-match-ups-whos-on-deck/1
Sergio Non,
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http://mma.usatoday.com
he says "other than Mir and Lesnar" at the beginning of it
Kongo is presumably lumped in with the Heath Herrings and Kimbo Slices as not worth a mention.
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In a way
Kongo should be lumped in with the Overeem of the world. He’s a poor man’s version, in my eyes. But yeah, he shouldn’t be fighting Fedor anytime soon (cough, Rogers, cough).
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AO would destroy Kongo.
Damnit! There I go again!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Man, i can’t help it.
My AO mancrush is out of control!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Hey-
I love me some Overeem, too. True story; I had a nine hour layover in Amsterdam when I went overseas in June and I was hoping to see him walking to or from a flight.
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That’s not really much of a story Blackout.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I spent 48 hours in Montreal and didn’t see GSP.
I spent a week in the forrests of northern BC and didn’t see Gabe Gonzaga.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“consider what UFC has to offer for credible competition over the next year or so, other than Lesnar and Frank Mir:”
What a ridiculous way of looking at things. So what does Strikeforce have to offer if we take away Rogers and Overeem?
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 16 recs
Rec'd
I can’t believe that’s being covered as a serious argument for what Fedor’s decided to do.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If I didn’t have a car, motorcycle or shoes, my 10 speed bicycle would be a totally acceptable means of transportation.
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by Blackout612 on Aug 4, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their ass.
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by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Rec’d.
If Rogers was in the UFC, he’d be below Carwin and Cain…and on the same level as Dos Santos.
The UFC haters ALWAYS want to prop up someone outside of the UFC.
Seriously, if Overeem is in the UFC, he’d be like Kongo.
Kongo is not being put in any conversation as a UFC contender, but if he beat Mirko outside of the UFC…they’d be throwing his name EVERYWHERE as a contender.
HE would be your uncle
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ll be using that one. Thanks Logic. :)
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by RearNakedChoker on Aug 4, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Additionally, it seems odd to count Lashley as a possible Strikeforce wild-card when the UFC could just as easily sign him.
It seems odd to count someone who had trouble against Jason Fucking Guida as a legitimate challenger to the #1 HW in the world.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
They want to prop up EVERYBODY
Anybody with an undefeated record or a win streak…they will prop up as a threat to Fedor,
I mean, you can’t have an argument that the HW division outside is equal to the UFC’s, if you don’t hype up fighters that don’t deserve it.
I mean, the list outside of the UFC is full of UFC rejects.
It’s absolutely amazing what the need for a UFC “competitor” will do to fans.
Shane Carwin. His 11-0 record is comparable to Rogers’ 10-0 resume — if you remove Rogers’ win over a former UFC champion.
Sounds like that’s making it seem Rogers is actually a top fighter, which he may be, but bumrushing Arlovski and tapping him on the glass chin doesn’t really prove much. At least when Carwin tapped Gonzaga he had to overcome some adversity. Same with Cain, I think both Cain and Shane would handle Rogers in a fight.
I think what needs to be addressed is the potential fights for Fedor outside of being ranked. I can make the same argument that Overeem has been KO/TKO’d by Chuck and Shogun respectively. But with Rogers they potentially ruin their one and only heavyweight prospect, and by waiting for Rogers to mature even more they heighten the damage in my opinion. At least if you do it early you can test Rogers, and once he loses you can play it off as a prospect stepping up to fight the best and wasn’t quite ready for it. If you wait, then you basically show that your one prospect is not on that level and when Fedor leaves your division looks even weaker than what it had looked.
problem with saying overeem got knocked out was
it was a couple years ago and in a different weight class
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I don’t like the argument that Rogers shouldn’t be ranked highly because he hasn’t been tested. Until Gonzaga tested Carwin, he hadn’t gone longer than 3 minutes. Now Rogers may yet lose, but Rogers losing to Fedor hurts him less than if Carwin loses to Velasquez or Lesnar.
However, I agree that Rogers should face Fedor sooner rather than later, because he can recover from the loss, in that he could possibly develop and close a few holes in his game, then possibly earn a rematch down the line.
Eh...
I don’t like the Rogers/Fedor matchup in the near future one bit. If I want to fully anticipate quick KO’s, I’ll take a time machine back to 95 and watch Tyson take out his prison rage.
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If we're comparing the two
Carwin comes from a decorated wrestling pedigree and has proven he’s got heavy hands. Rogers…. has proven he has heavy hands. Don’t get me wrong; I love Rogers (Minnesota, woot-woot), but I don’t think it’s fair to parallel the two talents based on the Arlovski knockout. They’ve both defeated one serious rank-effecting talent in their careers.
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I said in another thread that if Brock Lesnar beats Carwin, Nogueira, Crocop, and Velasquez, while Fedor beats Rogers, Barnett, Overeem and Werdum during the same period, that shouldn’t be enough to lift Brock over Fedor in the rankings.
You have to consider the time. If they fight those fighters in the same amount of time, I would tend to agree.
Also, we’re so much more certain of Fedor’s opponents than Brock’s. Consider that he could face Carwin, Couture, Mir and Crocop, and what would lead each of those fighters to face him. Fedor’s opponents are going to essentially idle for fear of eliminating contenders, drastically effecting the scenario..
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Also...
Before getting all the way through your comment, I thought you might be getting at the fact that meeting at that point would be one ripe fuckin peach.
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That comment by Iole is ridiculous
If he had gone through the fights in the UFC how many guys would he have not written off immediately?
Here goes:
Randy Couture – A forty six year old who lost his last fight and the fight before that was around a year ago. Fans would love to see it but there is a real chance of damage to Couture at this age. KO or Sub after GnP
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira – Already lost to Emelianenko twice.
C. Kongo – People would not be so hot on Cain after what Fedor would do to Kongo.
Cain Velasquez – First round KO
Junior Dos Santos – First round submission or knockout
Shane Carwin – Great wrestler, great power, would have to catch Fedor just like Rogers would.
Mir – First round KO
BROCK LESNAR!!!! – The one guy that everyone thinks has the ability to beat Fedor.
While that list is longer, it barely deeper
"All I guarantee is Violence" - Wand
I agree. The ONLY fight in the UFC that casual fans REALLY care about is the Lesnar one. If Lesnar loses, the only “Dream Fight” left for him in the UFC is a past-his-prime Couture…which has no upside for Fedor.
That makes two
Right now. You’re not accounting for the future should he defeat those two and the fact that not everyone else is potentially idling like in SF.
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As opposed to...
ZERO fights outside of the UFC that casual fans care about?
you mean all one of them in that year?
"All I guarantee is Violence" - Wand
jesus this is a disaster
i meant that to be under the tyson comment
"All I guarantee is Violence" - Wand
No, it's better here where it makes just as much sense
I didn’t say for that year, I meant then and after. Way to pick apart my totally-real scenario..
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Ok,
Lets break down the Strikeforce “Challengers” :
Overeem- Worse then Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Nogueria, Carwin, Velasquez
Rogers- Worse then Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Nogueria, Carwin, Velasquez
Werdum- Worse then Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Nogueria, Carwin, Velasquez, Kongo, Dos Santos, Cro Cop
STRIKEFORCE FTW!!!!!!!
by Lewish on Aug 4, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that's not my argument
Iole simply states that sf has only three guys and they would all get picked apart by fedor. all those guys besides lesnar that you’re mentioning? They would get picked apart too based on his logic of deciding outcomes of fights without having the fights happen
"All I guarantee is Violence" - Wand
MY argument is,
THEY ARE ALL F*CKING BETTER THEN WHAT STRIKEFORCE HAS TO OFFER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ESPECIALLY with the UFC marketing machine. Far more $$$.
the only thing that is better is the UFC marketing machine… no fighter is better than that.
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by ekc on Aug 4, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao.
ridiculous post. Mir may be hated but is better than Werdum, and Rogers, and I think he’d sub Overeem…
thats not considering everyone else… Its easy to a top guy never fighting even decent hw’s…
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Agreed
Mir would sub Overeem…
He’d have a hard time with Kongo or Dos Santos.
Overeem NC Mirko, beats Hunt and Buentello…
YAY!!! He’s going to challenge Fedor, and it will be better than a fight with Couture.
If anything, Overeem and Rogers are 2 of the most overhyped fighters at this moment.
I would take Kongo at this point over Rogers and i would put him right up there with AO
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 4, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yet...
…these MMA elitists will continually bring up Monson, Overeem, Rogers as “great” matchups…
But never put Kongo on the UFC’s list.
Hell, they’ll even throw in Monson (UFC reject) and Werdum (UFC reject) just to increase the numbers.
You use the term “UFC reject” as if it’s a value judgment of a fighter’s absolute worthiness, when in fact it’s the result of one company’s cost-benefit analysis of a fighter’s salary weighed against the perceived marketability of that fighter.
Monson’s last fight in the UFC was a title fight. Werdum had one upset loss, and yet he’s apparently less credible than the Heath Herrings and Anthony Hardonks that manage to still have UFC contracts? Really, that’s why “UFC Reject” is more of a pejorative than a term with any real utility in this argument.
of all the mma sites i visit, BE beat em all in terms of producing fedor articles, its kinda getting old now.
And yet you keep at it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
just keep feeding you and feeding you
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Then here’s a suggestion: start your own site and dictate how much coverage of issues you think they deserve. Clearly we don’t agree with the suggestion that covering Fedor or Brock in nuanced capacity needs to stop. And we don’t plan on stopping any time soon.
I don't either
But these defenses of his new list of potential opponents is what I’m criticizing here. Cover Fedor all day, but present me with the opinion that what he’s doing is ok (over and over and over again) and I’m going to disagree every time.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope that wasn't pointed at me...
i referenced a method man skit. Which is much better than beating dead ponies.
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smarter than the average bear
coincidentally, i’m enjoying talking about Fedor a great deal.
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What about CC??
While I tend to think Fedor would demolish him, there is, no doubt, an attractiveness to the rematch and it would be an easy sell.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Other than C.C Deville who does Poisen really have?
by E.Nightmare on Aug 4, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is all pointless
The fact is that the #2 guy and the guy most likely to beat him is in the UFC. Fedor fighting any guy out of the top 5 is just a waste of time.
"Other than Lesnar and Mir?"
Really? That’s sort of like breaking down the AL East and saying “other than the Yankees and Red Sox …” and then sizing up how Tampa would fare against Toronto and Baltimore.
Dude, WHAT?
Strikeforce can match the ante with Alistair Overeem, Brett Rogers and some kind of wild-card entrant: Bobby Lashley, Blagoi Ivanov, perhaps even Josh Barnett.
Now he’s applying guys that aren’t in house, as though the UFC can’t sign them too? Come on guy…
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And at this point Lashley nor Ivanov could beat a 2nd tier UFC Heavyweight
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 4, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bringing up Lashley or freakin Ivanov (seriously?) is really reaching at this point.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather fighting guys ranked #8 and #10… how awesome!!!
Even boxing journalism isn’t this stupid.
Zuffa is light years ahead of boxing yet MMA media continues to be light years behind…
by mmalogic on Aug 4, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Here is my problem.
Yes, you can pick apart guys like Cain’s record or Kongo, or whomever, BUT when you put it on paper, th fights in the UFC are far more COMPELLING.
Carwin vs Fedor
Cain vs Fedor
Mir vs Fedor
Randy vs Fedor
Lesner vs Fedor
Kongo vs Fedor
Gonzaga vs Fedor
CC (Deville) vs Fedor
Dos Santos vs Fedor
Mir vs Fedor
Nog vs Fedor
then you have
AO vs Fedor (this is the ONE fight I consider very compelling)
Fedor vs Rogers- just doesn’t get my blood pumping like, say Carwin vs Fedor
Fedor vs Werdum- I like Werdum and this may actually be a fight to see, but it doesn’t have much appeal, especially with the more casual fans.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
so basically you like fedor vs anyone in the UFC
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by ekc on Aug 4, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor should be mixing it up with the best guys in the world, not borderline top 10s.
You can polish a turd, but its still a turd.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
blame the ufc not sharing fighters… then anybody CAN fight anybody anywhere.
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by ekc on Aug 4, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
THANK YOU
It’s about time someone blames the UFC for something for once.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If everyone could fight everyone in any organization then there wouldnt be different organizations thus creating a MLMMA type deal which i wouldnt mind but then where will we get all these different stories and drama to argue about
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If the UFC was sharing fighters, they wouldn’t be promoting them like they have been, and we wouldn’t be talking about fedor because the shit would still be illegal.
now that is a stretch…. didnt ufc let chuck fight in pride??
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No, I Like Fedor vs AO, Fedor vs Brock and then it drops off after that. Unfortunately we wont see bot anytime soon.
What I’m saying, is in response to the article and the writer’s views. They are saying that SF can put out a list of opponents comparable after Mir and Lesner. I am saying they can’t and I am in NO way a promotion hugger.
It is simple, maybe Carwin is only 10-0 against nobody that has held the UFC belt, but it is a far more COMPELLING fight than most of what SF can offer.
There is little basic about any of this mess.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
FEDOR WILL FIGHT ON CBS FOR FREE!!!!
win of fedor, fans, and mma.
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seriously, why cant we just accept this as a victory
by peripheral scarecrow on Aug 4, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as I don’t have to watch fedor vs Ken Shamrock or James Thompson or Tank Abbott, the ok.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Because no one who knows what’s actually going on has said that Fedor is going to be on CBS?
Because Fedor vs Brock is a bigger victory?
hell fedor on showtime is better then paying 55bux for a ppv….
and if fedor beats everybody in strikeforce, and brock can defend his belt… then maybe fedor and brock may actually happen… untill then, i would much rather see Fedor on Showtime and CBS
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by ekc on Aug 4, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, ask yourself this....
If Fedor takes a shit and it fights Scott Smith in a barb wire steel cage match and Alistair Overeem fights Fedor then finds a vial of mutagen and fights him a second time after mutating with a Kodiak bear—- after which Brock Lesnar falls out of a deer stand and impales himself on a ski pole; would Shane Carwin even be emotionally fit to fight Fedor? I mean, with the cybernetic leg, too… I don’t know if he could even get commissioned…
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by Blackout612 on Aug 4, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Thus is a bit far fetched isn’t it? I mean WHY would there be a ski pole under a deer stand?
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by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
big tobacco is jealous of the spin Fedor is getting.
by dt3 on Aug 4, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
If you don't like it go to Sherdog :)
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 4, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
so i have to agree with every article on here even ones that are completely biased and slanted? those kind of comments have gotten really old
this article takes the views of three other writers
including one who is the most pro UFC writer in the world and puts them together for discussion with no editorializing. where’s the slant?
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How could the not be a slant?
You either want to have Fedor’s children and hate the UFC or you love Dana White and wish Fedor was dead.
This is the internet, there’s no middle ground.
My head hurtz....
What if you want to take Fedor’s children out for ice cream?
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Have you looked at the number of comments in each of these posts? I’m sure they would prefer to post pictures of kittens dressed like people, but come on, this is the way to generate traffic.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Aug 4, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now you've done it
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by Blackout612 on Aug 4, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a legitimate opponent for Fedor
According to some, at least.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Where's Sergio?
He needs to come and explain himself.
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by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 6:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sergio, I know you read this. Come and explain why you list the ranks of the Strikeforce fighters and just list disparaging comments about the UFC ones. Why not list the ranks of the UFC fighters?
This reads like a spinjob through and through.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I thought I had it covered with a blanket statement.
“The USA TODAY/SB Nation consensus rankings appear to support the criticism. After Emelianenko at No. 1, five of the next six heavyweights work for the Ultimate Fighting Championship.”
I freely concede in my piece that Lesnar has gravitas lacking on Strikeforce’s roster. You can toss Mir in there too, if you like.
But Lesnar and Frank Mir are only two fights.
From a long-term perspective, it’s hard for me to see how either promotion is significantly better than the other in terms of the competition they can offer Fedor. (Based on their records and accomplishments, mind you; if I were looking at things purely in terms of style and skillset matchups, it might be a different story).
Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
http://mma.usatoday.com
Why does long term matter? It’s a one year deal, all we should be concerned with is the fights that can happen in the next 12 months.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Also....
Who do you think has a better chance of bringing in more talent and developing a legit contender, UFC wth their hundreds of millions of dollars and guys like Carwin, Velasquez, dos Santos, etc. or Strikeforce with their hundreds of dollars and guys like….Paul Buentello?
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
Imagine if Mayweather ducked the Pacman and went over to fight the #8, #10 and #14 ranked guy…
DO you think the boxing media would be talking about how "Floyd is not ducking it’s because Arum hurt floyds feelings " … or would they be saying “well if you take away pacman and cotto there are other guys who can fight floyd so Floyd isnt really ducking anybody.”
And now you will see the level of where MMA media is… it’s something between fanboy in his moms basement and fanboy in his sisters basement.
by mmalogic on Aug 4, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
neither my mom nor my sister has a basement
but I am a fanboy and not a journalist.
I have also stated many times that my preference would be to see Fedor in the UFC. But I’m not among those who fucked that up.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 4, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
why cant we just be happy Fedor is getting more competition, yeah rogers and overeem will probably lose, but at least we can see fedor fight good fighters on a consistant basis
by peripheral scarecrow on Aug 4, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
I can’t be happy with the way Fedor is doing business, a true mixed martial artists wants to test himself agianst the best, win or lose. Fedor is ducking competion, and everyone with a clear head can see it.
by NinjaRehab on Aug 4, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case, you are suggesting that the UFC HW’s should go to Strikeforce now to fight best HW ever?
Amirite? =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 4, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hah, I don’t agree with you most of the time, but that’s a good point.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there.
Unless of course you consider Brock Lesnar the best HW in the world.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 8:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently no one realizes that Nog and Randy will be retiring next year and that Paul Buentello is still in Strikeforce. =)
seriously, why does sergio have buentello in the UFC, isnt he signed to strikeforce
by peripheral scarecrow on Aug 4, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll bet you all the money in the world that Nog fights in 2011.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Rodrigo ‘Minatauro’ Nogueira expects to retire next year and says he would like to end his career in Japan or Brazil – but first he wants to take another run at the UFC heavyweight title currently held by Brock Lesnar.
He could always change his mind if he keeps winning, but, all your money?
Oh wait, you don’t work, so I can see you making that bet.
=)
Low blow +
He said all the money in the world. Good luck Atencio’ing that up!
I STILL poop rainbows.
I’ve got 5 pounds of hamburger meat to put up…
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
I still have it from last time, lol.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
people can spin fedor in sf anyway they want but the fact is its harder to be considered the best in the world unless you’re fighting the best fighters in the ufc. People can cry about it as much as they want and this has nothing to do with be a ufc nuthugger but its just the way it is. It would be like being on the nationwide tour in golf and winning every tournament you’re not gonna be considered the best golfer unless you’re winning in the pga with tiger in the field.
but we are talking about the heavyweight devision, the UFC doesn’t really have the cream of the crop there, not that strikeforce does, but its reasonable to be the best fighter and not be in the UFC, if you fight in the heavyweight division. Jake Shields on the other hand… no fucking way
by peripheral scarecrow on Aug 4, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If the UFC doesn’t have the cream of the HW crop which promotion has more top 25 HW’s?
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you co-promote, the number of Top 25 fighters under one roof is irrelevant. And if your champion defends the title once or twice a year, the majority of those Top 25 guys aren’t going to get title shots anyway.
where was this debate when Fedor signed with Afflction?
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by ekc on Aug 4, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt put it passed Randy!!!!
look at his carrier and see when he was the fav. to win a fight????
tim=underdog
chuck (1)=underdog
vitor=underdog
tito=underdog
and meny others, and what do they all have in commen, he won, while being older, so to say just because he is 46 dosnt mean he is gana just get ran over and beaten!!!!
Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit.
imo, his style would at least keep him from taking a vicious beating. How competitive the fight would be, well i don’t know, but I doubt he would get slaughtered.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
at randy’s prime he doesn’t beat Fedor… Randy has always won by exploiting weekness and using gameplan… what is Fedor’s weakness?
by peripheral scarecrow on Aug 4, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well educated fans.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and I agree, he doesn’t beat Fedor at any time in his career. I’m simply saying, that some people are concerned that at Randy’s advanced age (for a fighter) he would be subjected to possible damage physically. My opinion is that his close in fighting style would likely limit that damage.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Randy can get Fedor on his back and wont get submitted like coleman and randleman… the question is if Randy is still quick enough at this age. I would favor the Randy of “randy v gonzaga” over Fedor.
Who do you think Fedors camp is scared of? Great wrestlers who know submission. It’s not a coincidence they dont want to fight in the UFC and that UFC has great wrestlers who know submission.
by mmalogic on Aug 4, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
u know u act like a kid who just got their sand castle stepped on a lil too much.
the smiley face and feigning ignorance is more irritating than just flat out calling out someone.
too much smoke and mirrors.
by justizzer on Aug 4, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mark Coleman was a great wrestler whose only submission losses were to Fedor and Nog (Takada doesn’t count, that fight was fixed)
Fedor’s armbar on him from guard was a thing of beauty so I’m not buying Fedor is scared of any wrestler.
A wrestler that can elbow his paper skin forehead on the ground presents unique issues for Fedro.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and it’s also a coincidence that the UFC HW division has no K-1 fighters. Coincidences don’t mean jack shit.
Why is everyone ignoring Mir/Big Nog?
Slightly off topic
I would still say Mir is in the top 5 HW right now – despite his lopsided loss to Brock. He dominated Big Nog (who, let us not forget, is one of the most dominating HWs of all time – just take away his losses to Fedor, and his resume is ridiculous.)
I would like to see Mir and Nog take on Cain and Shane. A sweep by the veterans would not be surprising – and would be the smart money.
POLL
Give me your feedback:
Who has the best chance of beating fedor:
loser of cain v carwin or Kongo?
please be serious about this. and reply with your answer below.
Loser of Cain/Carwin.
The speed and wrestling ability of each is tailor made to give Fedor issues.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 4, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
I can’t answer this question with a straight face. Fedor would crush Velasquez or Kongo.
I STILL poop rainbows.
Loser of Cain/Carwin. Fedor has paper skin – anyone with GnP capabilities is a threat.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything, you’ve got that backwards.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, last time I checked, the only thing he had really done in any of his fights in the UFC was waltz up to the dude and get into a gun fight. Eventually, one of his hit and he had a lot more power. So he pounded them without any grounding of them.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 5, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Cain Velasquez? Remember the Kongo fight?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Loser of Velasquez/Carwin.
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loser of cain vs. carwin.
Kongo’s takedown defense would be a massive liability
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
^this reason. Kongo would only be on his feet as long as it took Fedor to cross the Octagon and grab hold of him.
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This is my biggest problem that is never mentioned….
In the UFC , those top contenders will be fighting each other to determine the title challenger.
In Strikeforce, it seems like Rogers, Overeem, & Werdum are going to get easy fights until they are put in there with Fedor.
That is garbage. They need to be fighting top competition to EARN a fight with Fedor.
This is why Strikeforce is bad in this situation. They don’t have the depth.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 4, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Yeah
I touched on this earlier. I’m not furious about it, by any means. I understand the business side of it. But those guys are essentially going to be asked to idle so as not to spoil King Fedor’s supper.
I STILL poop rainbows.
That’s what happened with Barnett… and the fanboys ranked him #2.
The UFC GAUNTLET (term first created by nobones) is where fighters prove their true value.
Earn a fight with Fedor?
Are we going to revisit this argument again? Did Brock Lesnar earn his title shot after 1-1 record or was it a marketing decision?
by bignerd on Aug 4, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of the last 50 title fights in the UFC & WEC, one fighter didn’t fully earn it. That is Brock Lesnar.
And yet you use it as an example as if it’s a common occurance.
Strikeforce will be doing this for his next 3 title challengers likely. Huge difference.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 4, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious. I can name a ton of fighters with questionable title shots
Cote, Leities, Marquardt, Franca, Quarry, Stevenson, Florian (1st time) . . . there are more but you said last 50 so I didn’t want to go to much further back. Did Randy deserve a title shot coming out of retirement and moving up a division at the same time?
by bignerd on Aug 4, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Matt Serra
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good call Nate
I mean, the guy’s nickname is “lights out” for god’s sake, he must be awesome!
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
We’re going to get Fedor vs. Rogers and Werdum will be fighting Overeem at some point. Fedor will not be fighting all three of these guys
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
I’ve said this twice now but nobody ever seems to mention it.
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 9:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t wanna see Fedor vs. Rogers. It’s not a fair fight. They’re giving him the Sokoudjou treatment. Hey you got a flash KO so we’re going to ramp up the difficulty to 11. Rogers has a good storyline too (Sam’s Club Tire Changer, Clubber Lane, etc.) I guess Rogers will at least get alot of money to fight Fedor so he can buy his house.
WTF
What a weird argument for Sergio to make. If you take away the #2 & 4 ranked guys in the division, the UFC only has the #5, 6, 7, 11, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21 and 24 ranked guys. And only three of those guys are ranked ahead of the top guy in Strikeforce. And if for some reason we take away the top two guys in both orgs then the UFC only has five guys ranked higher than Strikeforce’s best remaining heavyweight.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 4, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Well, when you put it that way..
Good, Richard is here. There are a pair of handsomely dressed cats up there that you need to put a rec on.
I STILL poop rainbows.
Good save. I almost missed them.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
I hope so.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Iole is an idiot
He talks about Overeem’s grappling abilities and how they could pose a threat to Fedor, but makes NO mention of his striking? Does he know who Alistair even is?? What an idiot.
I'd say he doesn't know who AO is
Dana should really give him better press releases because he is terrible at writing stuff on his own.
Yeah. He should have said something brilliant like, “If you take away Rogers and Overeem, who does that leave? I mean, the UFC has Lesnar, Mir, Nogueira, Couture, Carwin, Velasquez, dos Santos, etc.”
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by Richard Wade on Aug 4, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Loretta Hunt: Overeem's fight with Bonjasky proved that he's very quick
Does anyone know who he is?
I STILL poop rainbows.
I really like Sergio (just a super nice guy in my limited interaction with him) but that is some REALLY convenient picking and choosing of what he wants to look at.
Dos Santos’ record is thin…but Werdum remains a good fight? Didn’t JdS rip Werdum’s head off with an uppercut in Fabricio’s last fight? Overeem’s heavyweight ledger is pretty thin also, honestly.
It also ignores the skillset issue. Couture knows how to fight in a cage and win a 3 round fight. Is he a favorite? No (no one in the world is a favorite against Fedor right now). Rogers’ skillset translates so much more poorly to a fight with Fedor than a big wrestler like Carwin or Cain.
A guy like Gabe Gonzaga is a really tough fight for Fedor, I’d argue tougher than anyone in Strikeforce. He’s not a top tier heavyweight but he presents way more problems than a guy like Rogers or Werdum for Fedor.
To try and frame the Strikeforce fights as being on equal ground with the UFC fights available requires some really fancy footwork.
Either way, Emelianenko faces a paucity of exciting, big-name challenges. Little wonder that his choice came down to building his business instead.
Really Sergio? Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem are big-name challenges? Brett Rogers is the biggest name on the heavyweight roster for Strikeforce but he is hardly anywhere near a “big-name”
…yikes
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Oh jesus…I misread that sergio quote….Ignore that last part of my comment :)
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
but Gonzaga is a much tougher fight stylistically for Fedor than Werdum
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on what? Honest question.
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He has great BJJ and improving stand up. He will have a nice size advantage over Fedor. Werdum doesnt’ get submitted and had a reputation of having a great chin and not being able to be put away, until the Cigano fight happened.
All his previous losses were by decision and were against Nog, Sergei, and Arlovski.
Werdum's not in the UFC
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
There here's a technical flowchart to ensure his success
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by Blackout612 on Aug 4, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor is more of a grappler than striker. Cigano is a Striker. Not only that, he fought an unmotivated and pissed of Werdum.
Unmotivated and pissed off, eh?
Shit, didn’t know you two were twins and you can feel what he feels..
Nonetheless; Fedor got inside on Sylvia much as Cigano got in on Werdum, and he KO’d Arlovski very suddenly. He’d put Werdum on ice in 90 seconds or your money back.
I STILL poop rainbows.
NOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it that I was drawn to that as a child and am terrified of it as an adult?
I STILL poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Aug 4, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know what you mean...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This should be green.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Aug 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Better Question
If Fedor did sign with the UFC what fights would they give him after Lesnar? I’d argue they would stick him the senior circuit (win/lose to Brock) of Randy, Nog and Cro Cop to maximize their PPV dollars.
I think arguing Cain/Carwin/Mir vs Werdum/Rogers/AO is just about pointless. Fedor’s contract is only for a year at SF. I don’t think he’d seeing any of those opponents in UFC over the next year.
Really? I think they probably would have thrown the winner of Velasquez/Carwin at him.
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I highly doubt it
Carwin or Cain aren’t going to gross the PPV buys of the other fighters . . . not this year.
This is something people are doing all over. “Who else besides Lesnar?” Sorry, this is a sleight of hand. Brock Lesnar is number 2 in the world. He is an eminently better option than anyone at Strikeforce. If we’re going to do “besides Brock and Randy” how about we analyze Strikeforce’s options besides Rogers, Overeem, and Werdum?
by Michael Rome on Aug 4, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But it’s a ludicrous place to start from. They have Brock, and he’s the best challenger. You can’t take him out of the equation, he is central to the entire debate. He’s also the most likely to beat Fedor.
by Michael Rome on Aug 4, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ludicrous place to start?
We are arguing Fedor’s potential UFC opponents after he’s already signed a deal with Strikeforce. If you going to throw out the entire post I think it’s fair to throw out Brock as well.
Thank You!!
you make more sense than anybody quoted in this article
by cagefightonacid on Aug 4, 2009 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seems like I heard this someplace before….
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
journalists...
are now trying to beef up or water down fighters like some fan on an mma forum, and this article looks like something sherdog would write…. kinda a stretch to me, especially Jake rossens comments
by cagefightonacid on Aug 4, 2009 8:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Has Rossen lost his mind? Bobby Lashley is an upper-tier fight but Randy Couture isn’t? What the fuck?
by Michael Rome on Aug 4, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
How many times has Randy been ECW Champion?
Case Closed.
by Phildo on Aug 4, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s insane.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The following is a list of options that would be better than Bobby Lashley (“wildcard” from Jake Rossen) for Fedor to fight in the UFC. I’ll keep out his top 3:
Randy
Mirko
Nogueira
Dos Santos
Heath Herring
Jake O Brien
Frank Mir
Cheick Kongo
Gabe Gonzaga
Bruce Buffer
Antoni Hardonk
Stefan Struve
Pat Barry
Bruce Buffer
Joe Rogan
by Michael Rome on Aug 4, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
And pretty much the entire cast of TUF 10
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep...
better to fight in the UFC. Kimbo would be a money fight at least. Not competitive…but at least it makes money.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought of some more:
Any light heavyweight that decides to move up in weight.
by Michael Rome on Aug 4, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BJ Penn
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2009 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Aug 5, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor doesn't have 4th fight on the contract
He doesn’t even have to complete 1 fight . . . no championship clause either.
That being said
Lashley’s an interesting prospect and someone to keep an eye on. I think Strikeforce would do well to sign him should he get one more victory.
Overeem an elite HW?
I have no idea how this happened. He was a mediocre LHW and has beaten nobody worth mentioning at HW yet. What kind of magic marketing machine tricked people into thinking he is even top 10?
By the way, I just want to say you guys rock. I’ve been lurking the site for awhile, and always love reading the comments section here. I usually never post though because several months ago I got a nasty virus while logging into the site.
Anyway, this site rocks and hopefully no nasty viruses anymore!
The same brain children who ranked Andrei Arlovski #2.
People can’t think for themselves.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Aug 4, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He evenly fought Remy in K-1 (close fight) and KTFO Badr Hari. He was beating Cro Cop before the kneeing so people are going off that too.
Yeah, the KO of Hari was impressive, but I’m pretty sure I read Remy had a fairly serious injury going into the fight with Overeem and still got the KO.
Even still, those aren’t MMA fights. I’m not sure I’d put Overeem in the top 15 right now.
Big Country
Everyone shouldn’t forget the upcoming season of TUF alumni, my pick is Roy Nelson FTW but there should be a few heavyweights entering the mix that way, maybe even contenders….
Am I the only one that...
Is more interested in seeing Fedor vs either Silva or Machida if he were to go to the UFC? I would still love the Lesnar fight but I want to see the other ones more
fightlockdown.com
Abso-freaking-lutely. Those two fights are the most disappointing thing about Fedor not being in the UFC. And call me crazy, but I think Fedor loses both, especially vs Anderson.
if fedor gets the fight to the floor against anderson
he would slowly move toward submission and get it. He’s not a big heavyweight but Anderson is a goddamn middleweight
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