The Strikeforce/DREAM Alliance Could Bring Crossover Battles We Crave
by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 11:51 AM EDT
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Scott Coker mentioned in the TapouT radio show yesterday that there will be a press conference in Japan regarding a new alliance with DREAM that could potentially bring a large amount of overseas fighters into the mix with Strikeforce's roster of talent. This has been a bit overlooked in all the Strikeforce discussions, but it matters due to the potential for booking the crossover battles between Japanese and North American fighters that many fans have craved for quite some time.
Not only are there bouts that can happen that are relevant within today's ranks, but even matches of MMA legends that could potentially be made between the two promotions. Think about some of these bouts: Frank Shamrock vs. Kazushi Sakuraba, Nick Diaz vs. Marius Zaromskis, Josh Thomson vs. Joachim Hansen/Shinya Aoki/Ribeiro/Kikuno... the list goes on.
The potential is endless, and while these fights may not be the most unbelievable battles to hit your television, the prospect of such an alliance only helps the sport build better fights for the fans. So, how do the pools of fighters look?
DREAM
Lightweight: Andre Dida, Katsunori Kikuno, Vitor Ribeiro, Shinya Aoki, Joachim Hansen, Gesias Calvancante, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Daisuke Nakamura
Welterweight: Marius Zaromskis, Hayato Sakurai, Jason High, Andre Galvao, Tarec Saffiedine
Middleweight: Paulo Filho, Melvin Manhoef. Jesse Taylor, Dong Sik Yoon, Jason "Mayhem" Miller, Ronaldo Souza, Murilo Rua, Riki Fukuda, Zelg Galesic, Andrews Nakahara, Kazushi Sakuraba
Light Heavyweight: Rameau Soukodjou
Heavyweight: Sergei Kharitonov
Strikeforce
Lightweight: Josh Thomson, Gilbert Melendez, Mitsuhiro Ishida, Rodrigo Damm, Yves Edwards, Jorge Gurgel, Conor Heun, Billy Evangelista, Fabricio Camoes, Lyle Beerbohm, Malapeit, Mike Aina
Welterweight: Jake Shields, Nick Diaz, Andre Galvao, Joe Riggs, Duane Ludwig, Dennis Hallman, Phil Baroni, Tyron Woodley, Ross Ebanez, Luke Stewart
Middleweight: Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith, Cung Le, Jake Shields (MW or WW), Jorge Santiago, Nick Diaz (MW or WW), Frank Shamrock, Benji Radach, Joey Villasenor, Cyborg Santos, Terry Martin, Tim Kennedy, Luke Rockhold
Light Heavyweight: Renato "Babalu" Sobral, Gegard Mousasi, Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante, Kevin Randleman, Mike Whitehead, Ralek Gracie, Bobby Southworth, Mike Kyle, Jarred Hamman, Paoi Suganuma, Aaron Rosa, Jaime Fletcher, Wayne Cole
Heavyweight: Shane Del Rosario, Alistair Overeem, Fabricio Werdum, Brett Rogers, Roger Gracie, Levar Johnson eventually, Abongo Humphrey, Daniel Puder, Jon Murphy, Carl Seumanutafa
Some of these fighters were on loan to DREAM from Strikeforce, so they have current Strikeforce deals. I'm also probably forgetting some of the smaller-time fighters that are fighting in ShoMMA as well, but obviously they may not reap the benefits of such a deal. You can see the amount of top-notch fights that could come from such a deal though. Zaromskis vs. Diaz could be a truly epic battle, and having guys like Ribeiro, Aoki, Hansen, Calvancante, Kawajiri, Nakamura, and Kikuno in the mix to actually fight some North American lightweights like Melendez or Thomson is a refreshing prospect.
The Middleweight prospects are also very solid, and it'll cure the entire problem of having a guy like Lawler battle catchweight match-ups instead of legitimate middleweights. DREAM is a bit short on heavier competition, but there is always the possibility of M-1 filling that void in this entire process. They have some solid candidates within the mold of their M-1 Challenge promotion, and don't forget that Shane Del Rosario, a very highly-touted heavyweight prospect, is on loan from Strikeforce to M-1.
I know a lot of fans are going to be skeptical about this alliance and probably be pessimistic about the possibilities, but as a hardcore fan, I can't help but be a bit excited about some of the match-ups that could happen. I'm hoping Coker and M-1 can smoothly negotiate these cards with DREAM when they happen so the fans can be entertained.
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I dont think these promotions really have a choice in it. Just keep your costs low!!!!
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Choice or not... the match-ups are awesome
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I love this entire line of reasoning
‘If we get these several disparate organizations to co-promote, why their roster would be as good as if one company had all the fighters!’
They’re all allying now because they think they can become top dog. Not gonna happen.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re hopeless, subo.
I mean, every point you make is on the presumption that the other promotion’s moves are to directly compete with the UFC. Coker probably wants to make some money, and DREAM needs a shitload of help.
No, it isn’t going to work. I don’t think anyone really believes it’s going to work either. It’s a huge uphill battle, but hey… I’ll enjoy the fights while we can have them. That was my only thought.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe it's not just them that doesn't get it
They’re actively competing with the UFC for free agents. That’s direct competition for resources, it’s the only thing that actually pisses the UFC off, and it’s going to end up bankrupting them.
The fights? Sure, they’ll be entertaining. I never said they’d suck.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
lol...
see, this is where we disagree Subo my friend. I think this sort of thing is great and I don’t see a move like this as a threat to the UFC. I like the fighters in Strikeforce and DREAM but they all can’t fight in the UFC at the same time man. I think its a good move and I am looking forward to seeing some of these possible matchups come to fruition.
No further comments on Bruce Wayne.
Coker mentioned an alliance with DREAM back when Pro Elite assets were sold to Strikeforce.
This alliance has nothing to do with competing with the UFC, but everyone is all worried about a new threat to Zuffa now.
everyone is all worried about a new threat to Zuffa now.
That made me laugh.
"The latest Brett Favre summer saga apparently has come to an end. The 39-year-old reportedly informed the Vikings on Tuesday that he will not come out of retirement for a 19th season."
The greatest news I've heard all year!
sorry sir...
While I see this as good news… this is no threat to Zuffa at all.
Some of these fighters are not up to par with the competition of the UFC, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to watch them fight. Let them have their moments as the big fish in the small pond.
Zuffa has nothing to worry about.
No further comments on Bruce Wayne.
It would be so damn epic.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and gurgel vs aoki..
Maybe facing a guy like that would force him to use his ground game. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Aoki might be too mesmerized by the Zombie stance.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I would call it the "Rocky"-stance..
Ever seen one of those movies? He got hit more times than Gurgel. I think.
"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy
by BlueberryMuffin on Aug 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he is. He has a Sengoku deal, and isn’t he in limbo from the whole Affliction ordeal?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless he was on loan?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It was not an exclusive deal
Santiago could fight for SF if he wanted. He just couldn’t fight for the UFC because he is still under contract with Sengoku.
No further comments on Bruce Wayne.
i think you're right..
but If he does sign with SF, i hope he’s the guy who faces Jake Shields for the interim MW belt..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
PS
i saw that… and i envy you for being able to delete your own comments.. haha. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I put him in the list above, but apparently not.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonderful, I can't wait
I don’t think they’re actually going to let him kill me... And if he does kills me, book sales will really go up. Boom…win-win, bitch.- Forrest Griffin on Anderson Silva
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by Brett Jones on Aug 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow
If you don’t like this then you must be a UFC fan instead of a MMA fan.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
by FredPancake on Aug 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL
What did you expect? The hate train on Coker has left the building, and it’s steaming ahead.
I agree, how can you not love this type of alliance?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It all depends on how it works out.
I’ve stopped getting excited about anything but a UFC card because every time I’ve got excited about anything in the MMA world that wasn’t an actual UFC card, whether it’s Dana’s announcements, people allegedly signing here or there, or any other org doing anything, I’ve been disappointed.
If the “alliance” means combining the two rosters to make a whole bunch of fight cards. that’s great. If it means a few strikeforce fighters going over for a 1 off thing on NYE, that would be an exciting night, but it’s really not that big of a deal, since Strikeforce fighters have been going to japan without any “alliance.”
So
Every non-UFC card has disappointed you?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Wow
Then I don’t know what to tell you. There are a lot of exciting non-UFC fights out there to watch. Maybe you’ll find them more interesting if you learn more about the fighters
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Yeah, you need to get out more…
Did you watch the last Shooto card with Ueda vs. Duantes and Formiga vs. Kojima? That shit was awesome… what about Sengoku?
I mean, what do you watch besides UFC? Do you tune in for Japanese MMA at all? M-1 Challenge?
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
when I had HDnet, I watched all the dream stuff, I watch the strikeforce stuff, it’s good stuff don’t get me wrong. I just get sick of the people who have wet dreams about this stuff.
I like watching good fights, I’ll get excited when good fights are happening. Not when someone says, “tomorrow I’m going to announce something that may possibly lead to good fights.”
by Phildo on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
“Dream and SF STUFF” OK, enjoy your UFC.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Obviously, you haven’t been watching some of the great fights that are on the ‘Net from events you probably haven’t heard of. I understand you probably don’t go searching for them though.
But I don’t see how “it may possibly lead to good fight”. There are so many fights between those two rosters that are insanely good.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It may possibly lead to because nothing has been scheduled yet.
Remember how awesome it was going to be when Tim Sylvia and Randy and Fedor were all going to leave the UFC and change the world of MMA?
I’m not getting excited over announcements anymore, I’ll get excited when good fights are happening, that’s it.
I think some of this comes down to people being spoiled by the regularity and uniformity of UFC related events and tv shows.
When they tune into DREAM/SF/Sengoku, they see unfamiliar faces fighting and hear unfamiliar voices calling the action…
Personally I care about the fights themselves
by nastyem on Aug 4, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec’d^
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
no i just value consistency and reliability.
i was so amped for fedor and randy which failed.
and i was pumped for pretty much all the fights on trilogy.
which never happened.
dream 10 was great but shengoku’s last one was terrible.
can you blame me for being jaded.
i’m a fan of other sports too:football,baseball, and soccer so i’ve been bred on consistency and reliability.
sometimedream and strikeforce deliver awesome cards but a lot of the time their matches border on spectacle(hong man v fedor,the superhulk tournament,putting frank shamrock n sakuraba in big matches when they shouldn’t be anywhere near a cage or ring anymore,and the stigma that most of these guys are just ufc and pride castoffs who couldn’t hack it) which i think hurts the sport so just forgive me for not being enthused when all i have is possibilities and actualities.
Bringing Kimbo to the UFC and giving a 2-1 fighter a title shot is your idea of consistent?
And a couple of freak show fights ruins all the good one?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
brock lesnar was a special situation and u know that.. a man with pro-wrestling popularity and colleigiate national championships is not your normal fighter.
that’s the thing with kimbo:they’re using TUF as a way to keep their perception ofcredibility rather than throwing him 2 main events by saying that he has to"prove himself"
you have to use your freakshows under a veil of credibility in terms of public perception if you’re gonna go down that path for ratings.
and you have to have your freaks be successful for them to not appear to be freaks to the public(unlike minowaman and hong man choi or zulu)
Strikeforce and Dream have good fights. If people would give it a chance.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Its almost like people claiming they found a band that’s underground. Yeah I agree there is some good shit to capture live or watch the really good fights via. video, but I’m not ashamed to say that I get much more excited for the UFC.
I’m not going to have a wet dream over some fights in Japan just so I can feel like I’ve discovered something.
That's your preferance, I respect that...
But don’t knock mine.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
If someone isn’t “excited” for this, he’s not an MMA fan?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say they are either purely UFC followers or not alive.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
not really..
a lot of people might like this, but aren’t “excited” for it, especially if the biggest fights from their best fighters won’t happen… Doesn’t mean they’re UFC nuthuggers IMO..
With all the Fedor news/controversies lately, the labels UFC hater/nuthugger has been thrown around too liberally in arguments i think..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If someone isn’t excited for the prospect of seeing Diaz vs. Zaromskis or some of the other epic match-ups that can happen from this.. they are nuts.
Furthermore, we could start seeing some relevance to these rankings that everyone argues about.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yes that's very true..
all im saying is that the poll asks if the fan is excited about the DREAM/Strikeforce alliance.. The biggest fights probably won’t happen so i’d get it if a person votes no… Some people aren’t excited by possibilities but i bet they would be, once the actual fight is booked..
so i don’t think that they should be labeled as ‘bitter ufc nuthugging fans’, just cause they voted no..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the PROSPECT of a Strikeforce DREAM alliance excite you?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
look at my profile.. i voted yes..
I just don’t like the label UFC nuthugger/hater being thrown around too liberally..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine...
But, when you bash non-UFC fans constantly, it gives you a certain image.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
No, he doesn't
You’re so far over there, you can’t tell anybody apart. Weo does NOT bash non-UFC fans. Stop acting as though you have tenure here.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I could be wrong...
It just seemed that way to me. No reason to get pissy over an MMA blog.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Really? That hasn’t seemed to stop you.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Difference between disagreeing and being emotional about it.
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-James Arthur Baldwin
You’re breaking my heart, Pancakes.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Aug 4, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
when you said non-UFC fans and MMA blog.. did you really mean FredPancake?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
I assumed you did it to everybody.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
nope..
i only give credit where it’s due.. ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
Then I get it already, you don’t like anything I say. Drop it.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
relax.. :)
relax.. :)all i want for people is to have logical and civil conversations with out going to the ‘youre not an MMA fan’ or ‘youre a bitter nuthugger’ or ’i’ve watched MMA longer than you’ lines to prove a point..
relax.. :)all i want for people is to have logical and civil conversations with out going to the ‘youre not an MMA fan’ or ‘youre a bitter nuthugger’ or ’i’ve watched MMA longer than you’ lines to prove a point..arguments should be backed up by facts, not by how long you had a sherbelt..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wtf how did that get doubled.. and the relax tripled??
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It's very soothing
Thank you.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Proof, undeniable, that you don't know your way around
I’m FURIOUS!!!!! GRAWR!!!!!!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
you have to remind the people who haven't been here long that you do poop rainbows.
hahaha. :D
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck
Do I have to change it back with all of this new traffic?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Thank you
They act like BE is their own personal secret clubhouse and if you don’t agree then you are a fool.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
It's not the disagreement that is foolish
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Yes, i know...
“I am”
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Using your logic about when you start watching MMA, then since you only joined BE recently, you should keep your trap shut about anyone who has joined before you did.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t that the same as my infamous "hardcore fan “argument”?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
It's hard to tell...
But from your 37 posts, I’m assuming you’re laughing because you think it’s silly to suggest people not arbitrarily label posters that have been here forever?
LOLZ!!!!!!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
When was the last time you had a discussion about MMA
instead of just flaming?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
I can tell you the next time
Whenever I talk to anyone that is not named FredsPancakes.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Will that ever happen tho?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Not at this rate. Keep it up.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I’m not going anywhere.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
Viva la only-Fedor!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Viva MMA!
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
When have i constantly bashed non-UFC fans?
learn to read my friend.. you don’t know what you’re talking about..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll get excited when an event is finalized featuring some SF guys against some Dream guys. Until then, I can’t get excited. If you remember, shortly after Pride was bought by the UFC, a similiar “alliance” was made b/w K-1, EliteXC, Strikeforce, Cage Rage, KOTC, and Spirit MC. We all saw how that worked out and none of those dream matches every came to fruition.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ever came to fruition*** damn wish there was an edit button.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Aug 4, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well stated, sir.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
You just love to be the person to point that out, EVERY TIME!!
Seriously dude, we get where you stand so shut up already.
No further comments on Bruce Wayne.
40% voting no?
clearly there are a lot of bitter UFC fans
by nastyem on Aug 4, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
see if someone disagrees with your point.you call them bitter ufc fans.
but if i called you a fedor-nuthugger or a pride mark or the equivalent of an underground fan you would have a hissy fit.
b/c your as giddy as a schoolgirl over this alliance you’re finding it hard to internalize how everybody is not as equally in love with this idea as you are.
you can’t start flaming ppl for thinking with their heads and not their hearts
lol
So if you are interested in non-UFC MMA, then you are a Pride mark?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
He's hopeless...
BE needs an ignore option on this site really badly… I’m seriously tired of seeing this dude post.
And FredPancake, no I’m not going to post elsewhere so if I have to deal with your biased dribble…. fine.
No further comments on Bruce Wayne.
Me? I’m happy with the likelihood that EA will be able to get all of those fighters in their video game.
by madiq on Aug 4, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
they are planning something better --> Manhoef Lawler..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It excites you for one reason, and that reason is the same as my reason… Manhoef explodes a fist in Cung’s brain cavity.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, though…the thing that could potentially muck up the deal is HDNET. They air M-1 and DREAM, and I’m sure that they’d have something to say about cross-promotional events that they didn’t get to air.
That said, if HDNET, Showtime, and CBS could play nice — kinda like they did with Affliction — we might be looking at some big events, by which all these affiliated organizations promote each other.
Am I the only one...
that would love to see Mayhem fight Cung Le?
I'd want him to finish up his issues with jacare first..
then winner gets jake shields.. either fight would make me very happy. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Mayhem-Jacare animosity is getting built up pretty well. Should be pretty awesome.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome!
The potential crossover fights could be so amazing! At least until the UFC poaches all the top SF talent. But until then, I’ll be one happy fan!
I love me some Sexyama!
I’d love to see some of these potential fights however I’m very skeptical that many will take place, too many cooks in the kitchen IMO for it to ever to come to fruition.
exactly what i was thinking..
But at least they’re on the right track by planning Aoki/Thompson and Manhoef/Lawler.. Hopefully we do see the big fights..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does everything have to negative?
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
*be
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
It’s call realism.. After being married 10 years you learn to curb your enthusiasm for a lot of things.
I feel sorry for you then.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
And no, skwirrl could at least argue a point logically.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Stop w/ the flaming. It’s getting old.
"Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced."
-James Arthur Baldwin
well most of the time he did..
although, i did have a couple of conversations with skwirrl where he made no sense at all..
but they do have the same knack for getting the same amount of love from people..
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Just b/c someone disagrees w/ you, doesn’t mean they make no sense.
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i was talking about skwirrl..
and you don’t know what we talked about then so what are you arguing about?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 4, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You 2 were implying that I am similar to skwirrl in “not making sense”
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I will say it straight out, you hardly every bring any point or logic to a discussion. You state your opinion and never back it up, rather insisting that the other person prove you wrong and then making trite little comments that do nothing other than waste time and spam the topic at hand.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no reason to feel sorry, just fair warning that it is likely very premature to assume any of the interesting matchups will be happening anytime soon.
Nothing wrong with dreaming about them but to assume that anything said the the last two days suggest that this sort of copromotion is a sure thing is just that .. ‘dreaming’
I don’t know. DREAM needs someone at this point. Ratings aren’t good, they don’t have a large roster… they really need someone to help, so I’m assuming they are more willing than before to negotiate for a win-win situation.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost thought we lost you to supremaciism. This seems like a bad sign for non UFC MMA. You only co-promote when you have to.
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Supremacy has a view that’s a bit more positive than the general consensus of negativity and juvenile flame wars in half the threads, but that doesn’t mean I completely agree with it.
DREAM/Strikeforce/M-1 Alliance can work, but they have to be fully willing to help each other out in building these cards. Furthermore, DREAM needs the most help IMO. They are probably on the verge of taking a dive. Hence why they are agreeing to this.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to the list of all the possible matchups before anything was actually said. That is half his posts. This is gonna be good for the fans short term, but it suggests very bad things for the promotions I think.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Nah, this is purely speculative. The article merely suggests the fights that could occur.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they're in Japan
Because a lot of those guys on the DREAM roster have never passed a drug test.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 4, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You think someone is positive because they apply smileys? Come on Leland.. You know better than that. Half the time he’s a wrecking ball painted with a yellow smiley face..
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No, not the smileys.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on
You enjoyed that.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
So from this post and the previous post...
I gather you feel co-promotion is a sign of weakness, and you only co-promote when you have to, and co-promotion is a sign of weakness, and you only co-promote when you have to?
BOOSH
If it is worth saying, it is worth saying more than once.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Is Sally Cavanaugh here?
She moved out!
Oh man, she just told me to meet her here…
She moved out!
So you’re saying she moved out?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rofl, I was just saying that off the top of my head, gonna have to Netflix that movie.
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I think there's excitement.....
for these fights, definitely.
What lingers in the back of most peoples minds, after EXC, AFF, etc., is that these names don’t have mass appeal in North America. That means that us hardcore fans get great matchups but “mainstream” gets who/what/where? How do they grow these names in the US and, if they can, how do they retain them if the UFC wishes to step in and outbid?
The same applies for these names with EA. They might get all these names in their game but what does that mean to the casual fan? Not much. It doesn’t translate into 1-3 millions copies. Do I pay another $60 so I can be Fedor? Probably not. I’m happy with my selection of Liddell, Ortiz, Penn, GSP, etc. <—casual fan thinking; mine, too
I also agree with the alliance comments. Let’s see what that truly means.
But I thought the poll was about whether you PERSONALLY were excited about these matchups, rather than the hypothetical casual fan that reads press releases and stays on top of the latest news by listening to MMA radio shows…casually of course.
It is, and hence I don’t understand SizeMatters comments.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t think what sizematters is talking about is the bigger picture and not the poll.
he’s saying ues we may be personally excited but fights that intriguethe hardcores might not be what’s best for business and it might slow down the growth of these companies in this alliance.
You’re totally right about what the poll was asking. That’s why I typed out more than what was asked. It gets me excited and thinking more than I should.
If the poll had a “Hell Yes!” option that would be me. But, when I start thinking “Hell yeah”, I then starting thinking about really?, if, when, how, for how long?, etc.
I’d love for great fights to happen anytime and anywhere, in our out of the UFC. I guess time will tell.
Also…
1. Strikeforce having their champions fighting in multiple countries helps build the perception that these are “World” Championships.
2. A non-Super Hulk heavyweight grand prix, with a NYE fight against Fedor as the prize, should be a ratings boon for DREAM.
3. More international exposure for M-1 helps them with their stated objective of spreading the sport. I wonder if they could work something out for IFL-style superstar coaches “sponsoring” each country’s team.
PS – Could you imagine Showtime working something out with MTV to get Fedor on Bully Beatdown?
i don’t want fedor on bully beatdown…
1.that’s a great point about world championships and it could influence fans in other countries but i think North America has a precedent of having sports that are only being contested in their country and being quite fine with them being called World Champions.
MLB- World Series,w/e a football teams they are the world champions..etc
but internationally if this is a ploy to be world cup-ish like(M1 Challenge) then i guess it could put a dent in the UFC’s suppossed WORLD DOMINATION plans
There are plenty of exciting match ups and I agree this is a great start to what can become a series of beautiful events.
However it does not mean we will get great cooperation between these two companies nor will they make all the match-ups we want to see.
I’d put myself as conservatively excited, I don’t want to get my hopes up too much though.
Honestly, you can’t really make too many mistakes in the LW divisional matchups.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Subo isn't here yet
I should have voted yes because this is most likely the last stand against the UFC.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Not everything is about the UFC.
This post is about Strikeforce, M-1, and DREAM alliance.
by Jmend255 on Aug 4, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh. While it’d be nice for the LW, WW and MW divisions, I have zero interest in seeing either Soukodju or Kharitonov against anyone in Strikeforce’s LHW or HW division. I’ll also not hold my breath on Strikeforce’s first ever card outside of the western US until it actually happens. Co-promotion or not, this is one of those “I’ll believe it when I see it” things for me.
I’ll agree there.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely clicked yes, because the possibilities are endless, but there is another way to look at this… Strikeforce fighters are going to be loaned out to Japan, and it’s going to thin out their stateside shows. In a way, it’s better because of the additional fighters that can be pitted against one another, but worse, in that it likely means less Strikeforce cards. Better Strikeforce cards? Yeah, seems likely. But certainly less.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Definitely a good point.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
How does this touch on my point? Their obligation is not near the number of SF cards I would like to see. What is it, four? Come on..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
On Showtime? Right..
I’m talking about Strikeforce, not the Challenge shows or any of the alternative programming. But, if you’re going to go on and include those, they can always use that sort of programming to compensate. Sort of defeats your point, don’t it?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
ShoMMA shows are a part of that number I believe.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
I’m willing to bet that actual Strikeforce events have to have a fixed number, or they could loophole it without having available talent. I’m going to say it’s between 4-6, and certainly no more than 8. I want to see 10-12.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
also if fedor is showing up on Dream and in Japan,doesn’t it take away from his stateside exposure?and makes north american viewers think that this is just some foregin kind of sport(like soccer/futbol)
i don’t mean 2 take anything away from this alliance..strikeforce and dream i think put on the best fights outside of dana’s empire and yes the possibilities of fights are endless
This isn’t a bad prospect because DREAM is sort of Coker’s way into Japan.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
also if fedor is showing up on Dream and in Japan,doesn’t it take away from his stateside exposure?and makes north american viewers think that this is just some [foreign] kind of sport(like soccer/futbol)
Actually, soccer’s about to be a BIG DEAL here soon. Get acquainted. And as for the Fedor point, he’s a Russian guy that doesn’t speak English; I’m pretty sure that “Foreign” is what Strikeforce is going for.
I’m a HUGE soccer fan and it’s not about to become anything close to a big deal here.it may be finding its niche and a nice foundation with MLS and the U.S.‘s success at the confederations cup?
but it won’t ever be anything like the big 3 or even hockey.
I love soccer, and I get all the feeds from overseas… but it isn’t becoming anything in the U.S.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Fedro?
Sorry had to make the joke…and check your email.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I will post this again for being amazing...
LA Galaxy vs Barcelona at the Rose Bowl was sold out. Attendance of 90K+.
Pretty awesome
But that’s a one off event. Hardly a barometer for the future of the sport in the US.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Indeed...
Galaxy vs Milan was also sold out in the Home Depot Center, 27K seats a few weeks before the Barcelona game.
=)
Yeah, if they could get superpower European squads to play in the US, it’d be bigger.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don’t think they’d sell out seasons of games. It seemingly does well as a special event.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
That’s what I’m saying.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah… It definitely shouldn’t be foaming.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Goddamn the comment section has been pissy as hell lately…
Anyway…I voted yes. If people would put aside the whole “Dana/M-1/negotiations that Roger Smith’s Big O couldn’t handle” stuff and see the amount of possibilities that this could bring I don’t see how you could not like it.
battles "we" crave...
we = hardcore/internet mma fans
the general ppv buying public will not give a rats ass about Dream / Strikeforce “super fights”
I think one problem with the perception of this deal, is that many of us are confusing SF with EXC, IFL, Pride, etc…
Up to this point, SF has been a very successful, well run promotion. We should view this cooperation with Dream as a good thing for us fans. More fighters, more fights, more names, etc..
At least give them a chance to see what they can do.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
I'm anxious
I’ll just say that. SF seems to be heading in the direction I was worried they would. EXC had the same gradual scaling up of its product, and look at where those guys are now. I want SF and DREAM to succeed, and I just hope this union is fruitful for both parties.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
EXC was a mess though. They were poorly run and depended on KImbo, who has turned out to be what most of us thought he was, average at best. SF has a proven success record and has been run very well to this point. I just hope Showtime/CBS stays out of the way enough to let them succeed more.
As iiowyn says above, all appearances are that Dream is in trouble and this may be a way to help them out.
I don’t see any of this or the Fedor signing, greatly hurting teh UFC and I think all of these orgs can succeed AND the UFC can grow as well.
Yay MMA, lol!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Good points
Before Fedor signed on, that’s what I warned would be my only real concern; he doesn’t mix well with their tried and tested business model. And we all remember how Pride management treated Zuffa years back. You’ve got to have some concern that could happen again, though I’d think it much less likely now.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Well
EXC, IFL, Affliction; pick your promotion. It’s easy to feel concerned when expenditures mount and a promotion starts to depend on the PPV format. Coker is a smart man. I just hope he’s not getting his ears nibbled at and is staking the whole promotion on Fedor and loaning out fighters to DREAM. Like I said, I’m not taking out a life insurance claim on SF; just anxious about what this could mean.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Yeah, my concern is with Showtime pushing him to do things he wouldn’t ordinarily do.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
So far, 418 people who voted on this poll are colossal failures.
by Chris Nelson on Aug 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
lol
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Some people are just that angry, but it doesn’t truly reflect on who will watch these events when they happen. I’d reckon everyone here will be.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
And currently 872 are quite happy that Japanese MMA is in trouble enough to have to co-promote.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 4, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor vs Sergei would be nice
battle of the big russians,also,they were former Russian Top Team teammates so history between them,even though i see fedor winning that fight
Stop it
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
You’re so jaded, Leland!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
LOL, I’m sorry… but the one thing I disagree with when it cmoes to Coker’s comments are… Kharitonov is compelling. That fight blows, period.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 4, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, no doubt
That fight isn’t worth the training camps involved, for either guy. I found your means of shooting it down quite amusing.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I buy PPV.
I ordered Showtime to watch Strikeforce.
I bought every Affliction/UFC card I could.
I like the UFC for the quality and the amount of promotion they put on in a single year.
I watch old PRIDE on DVD because soccer kicks are fucking awesome.
I watched Wargods because of the awesome cell phone feed.
I watch DREAM/Bella/Sedok/Pancrase or any other promotion I can find.
I watch for the fights. 2 guys beating/strangling the hell out of each other more a small check. I enjoy the battle of wills. The enjoy flashy KOs and I LOVE they crazy subs.
I wouldn’t get to see all these fights if it wasn’t for all the MMA promoters out there. Some promoters have cards on a regular basis or better production. I like those qualities but I will still watch a shitty production for the 5 fights they put on.
Call me a UFC nutthugger.
Call me a PRIDE fanboy.
Call me a MMA junkie.
But please please please call me an MMA fan.
by Riney on Aug 4, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
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