Quote of the Day: Brett Rogers - "Fedor Hasn’t Felt My Power"
by Nick Thomas on Aug 31, 2009 5:11 PM EDT
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"I feel that I’m a different fighter for Fedor; Fedor hasn’t felt the power that he’s about to get. You see what I mean? It’s definitely gonna be a fun fight, man. He’s talented, but the same things he’s skilled in, I’m skilled in. It’s just we just gonna see who’s more hungry."
"Basically, a fighter for his size, his weight, just the way his aggression, when he takes top he’s good at controlling the top position. So, I’ve been trying to work with guys that can kinda mock him; he may have that, a couple pounds less than me… But if he’s expecting to take top, and hold top, it’s not gonna happen. I’m definitely gonna re-position myself whenever I get in danger and hopefully get back to the feet and finish it off."
"I have to be patient, pick and choose my strikes and go for the kill."
-- Brett Rogers (10-0) talks Fedor Emelianenko (30-1-1) on Hardcore Sports Radio (starts at the 11 min mark)
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The man with nothing to lose is invincible.
by MrBlond3 on Aug 31, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The man who is invincible wont lose.
by Rabbit915 on Aug 31, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any mma fan knows that there is no invincible fighter.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no invincible “human” fighters, and we all know Fedor isn’t human…
by midwestbred on Aug 31, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to lose but his entire career, but he can always go back to Sam’s club changing tires I guess. I mean no one expect Rogers to win this thing but if he get’s Zulu’d out there it definitely won’t be a positive thing. He’s got a lot to lose.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting that rodgers could be humiliated out of out of MMA like forrest griffin?.
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did Forrest get humiliated out of MMA?
by Phildo on Aug 31, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Forrest had an interview or an explanation of why he ran out?
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How often does he actually speak to the media?
It’s always been pulling teeth to get him to do an interview.
by Phildo on Aug 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a serious question…
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the answer is no. But that doesn’t prove anything.
The guy never does anything with the media. He skipped the post fight press conference. That’s it. Other people have done that.
by Phildo on Aug 31, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you getting your panties in a wad? I just asked a question. I’m not implying anything. Side note: I am a huge fan of Forrest as a person and as a fighter.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 101, he hasn’t been seen since he ran out of the ring.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Still running...
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Aug 31, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
No I wasn’t suggesting that at all, I was pointing out that if he gets clowned then his ability to grow and draw as a fighter could take a real hit. Brett Rogers isn’t an established star like Sylvia or AA he’s a guy at the start of his career trying to get established, getting zulu’d could have a real adverse affect on that.
It had nothing at all to do with Forrest Griffin (another fighter who is already established enough that his career isn’t in jeopardy). Even if a former world champion gets beat badly you can’t take away the fact that they are a world champion caliber fighter but if a guy who’s riding the fame of one big win gets mauled he takes a huge step backwards. Brett Rogers is closer to Houston Alexander than Forrest Griffin currently, he really needed to be built up to the proper experience level before being tossed in there with a killing machine.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand this line of thinking. What loss could possibly be less damaging than one to the best fighter in your weight class? He’d be the underdog against Werdum or Overeem too—would those be better potential losses somehow?
by JRN on Aug 31, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing not so much, but getting Zulu’d really hurts your credibility. There is a very high chance of getting Zulu’d.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 31, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, it’s not the losing it’s the fact that there is a very real chance that Fedor will clown the guy in the cage. Brett Rogers is just way too young and inexperienced to be in there with a guy of Fedor’s caliber and because of the Arlovski win casual fan expectations are sky high. He’s not an established top level fighter he’s a guy riding a wave of attention due to one fight but hype trains are very delicate. Yes those of us who seriously follow the sport will know not to write the guy off because of a loss to Fedor but then we aren’t the group that pays the bills for MMA the casual fans do.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand better now. But as Tim Sylvia showed, there’s a possibility of getting “zulu’d” against Fedor even if you’re a very experienced fighter, which has to be much worse. Rogers has only been fighting for about 3 years and is 28. If he loses badly, he’s got time to build himself up again. So if anything, it would be a better situation for him than for someone like Overeem.
Not to mention there’s a chance of getting “zulu’d” every time anybody fights Shane Carwin, too. Let’s say Brock Lesnar wasn’t UFC champion, but was still signed to fight Carwin. Lesnar only has 5 fights and has never fought anyone with serious KO power—is that fight too risky for him? Is it too risky for Carwin, who is roughly as experienced as Rogers and in his mid 30’s to boot, to be fighting Lesnar when he could easily be put on his back and pounded out in the first round? Millions more would see that than would see Rogers lose to Fedor, and Carwin would have less time to make himself a challenger again.
PLUS Rogers could also be “zulu’d” by Overeem, who is powerful and has far more technical standup. Or he could be subbed in a minute by Werdum. And after beating Arlovski, the small upper echelon of Strikeforce heavyweight talent is the only place for him. So of his options, it seems Fedor, who is guaranteed to be sold to the viewing audience as the best fighter in the world, is the least risky.
by JRN on Aug 31, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hype train for fighting Fedor is light years beyond what happens fighting anyone else (except maybe Brock because you know a hell of a lot more people will see the actual fight). When you fight Overeem it’s fighting a guy who casual US fans know much about and when you fight Werdum your lucky if casual fans even tune in but wyou fight Fedor you invariably get sold to the casual fans as the second best fighter in the world. The hype is a big part of the problem here, they will push him as a lot more than he actually is (they will push him as worthy of this fight)and that means there is a lot farther to fall for him.
You also have to look at just how far below Fedor Rogers is currently, I mean it’s not just a chance he will get Zulu’d it’s the most likely scenario here. Rogers might be able to strike with Overeem and Werdum has been laid out before by a strong striker but Fedor eats guys like Rogers alive. Rogers has a puncher’s chance against a guy who came back from Kevin Randleman dropping him directly on his head like nothing happened. We are talking about a guy who has less than 16 minutes of total professional fight experience going up against the best fighter the sport has ever seen, just not getting Zulu’d would be a big victory for Rogers.
As far as Rogers coming back from this, he’s a 28 year old man with three kids who was changing tires at Sams club 6 months ago. Momentum is essential to his earning ability in the sport, he’s not established and he doesn’t have the extra money to take a year off and eat twinkies like Tim Sylvia did. If he has to go back and start building up all over again he just might not have the financial base to make it in the sport. This is very dangerous for him, he could become a huge star or he could end up being the butt of a MMA joke.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you this—Strikeforce should not sell Rogers as the second best heavyweight in the world. They should sell him as a heavy-handed underdog that shocked the world by knocking out top-ranked Andrei Arlovski and earned himself a chance to beat the best. They should emphasize that Fedor is the favorite but say stuff like “don’t blink, anything can happen in MMA.” I don’t know if they will take this approach, but I wouldn’t be surprised. After all, they have their own champion to promote as the second best (assuming he ever defends his title… but I’m guessing they’re looking to build to a Fedor/Overeem title fight).
Not sure what you’re saying about Rogers potentially having a hard time financially. This fight with Fedor will probably be his biggest payday win or lose, so it can only bolster his bottom line. He could apparently afford to take much less lucrative fights when he was changing tires, so how could this hurt? If he has money problems, it won’t be because he took the biggest money fight available.
And as far as momentum goes, does he not lose more momentum potentially losing one-sided fights with Overeem or Werdum? I’ll grant that he’s more likely to get totally destroyed by Fedor than by either if those guys, but he’d be the heavy underdog in any of those bouts. Who should he fight right now?
People have short memories. If Rogers loses badly to Fedor, he can rebound with a couple KOs over James Thompson types and be back in the good graces of those that like massive power punchers. In the mean time, he’s got a shot at a huge, huge victory. He’s gonna be fine!
by JRN on Aug 31, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce (and especially M-1)will sell Rogers in a way that gets them the most eyeballs not in the way that protects Rogers the most. That is part of my real issue here, Brett Rogers is a very talented prospect with the potential to be a big star in the sport (he has that it factor outside of fighting), he need to be brought along and built properly instead of served up to Fedor like this. There are a lot more fights for Rogers than just Overeem and Werdum (they had Werdum fighting Mike Kyle for pete’s sake) and there are real fights they could of made with Fedor that would of been much more realistically competitive. Hell I would of liked to of seen Rogers fight Kyle and Werdum take Fedor first, build Rogers for a year and have him be Fedor’s third fight on the Strikeforce contract but that is just me.
What I am saying about him having a hard time financially is that he is now dependent on MMA to feed his family, he’s a guy making 40k a fight not 1.5 million. Just because he is fighting Fedor doesn’t mean that they are going to pay him way more than what is listed in his contract. If he gets embarrassed out there then even fights at that 40k could get hard to find for a while. I’m not sure why this would be a big money fight for him when he’s already under contract with Strikeforce, he gets paid what he gets paid regardless of who he is fighting. I doubt Rogers has a “Fedor Clause” like Sylvia, Arlovski and Barnett had, his pay is set by his contract not by who he faces.
by who me on Sep 1, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good point about how he wouldn’t get paid more to fight Fedor since he’s under contract. I was thinking he might get extra sponsorship cash due to increased visibility. It’s also possible that he was given some extra financial incentive by Strikeforce to take this fight but that’s purely speculation on my part.
Mike Kyle was a late replacement for Overeem, so that wasn’t a fight Strikeforce planned to make. As far as I know Kyle will be going back to light heavyweight. But anyway, let’s say Rogers loses to Fedor—why can’t he fight the likes of Mike Kyle then? I mean, if this
there are a lot more fights for Rogers than just Overeem and Werdum
is true, and
he’s a guy making 40k a fight
on his Strikeforce contract, and the Fedor fight isn’t the last one on there, then this
even fights at that 40k could get hard to find for a while
couldn’t really be true, since Strikeforce will give him those fights and pay him that much, per his contract.
by JRN on Sep 1, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly he has one fight left on his contract with Strikeforce, but I can’t believe they would sign this fight without extending it. My guess, much like how many of the UFC fighters have been getting larger contracts to keep them from fighting Fedor, he has negotiated a decent pay raise for accepting this fight.
And I can’t believe they didn’t have Rogers fight Werdum or Buentello on August 15th, for the interim HW Title. That way Fedor could be in a title match. Not that I think it would last 5 rounds, but title fights bring so much more excitement and interest, things they need to help market the Last Emperor. Fedor fights for interim title, and then takes on Overeem for the unified title, that’s the natural order of things.
by nottheface on Sep 1, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I didn’t know this would be Rogers last contracted fight. You’d think there would be more talk about that, unless he signed an extension or a new contract when he took this fight. If Strikeforce is risking him beating Fedor in his last contracted fight, no matter how slim the odds are, they’re dumber than they look.
by JRN on Sep 1, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The positive or negative effect of a loss to Fedor lies entirely with Brett Rogers. It’s a choice he makes.
by Dooda on Sep 1, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Mr. Rogers
How to you expect to knockout Fedor when your right arm is ripped off your body? Please provide me with some insight!
by BONESJONES on Aug 31, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IABAEbpBUxk
Fast forward to 3:15.
Yeah, you go for the one bunch KO Brett.
I was watching M-1 Breakthrough, and Shivello was talking about how Lesnar wouldn’t last one round with Fedor… and all I could think was—- and you think Rogers will last one minute?
by toxic on Aug 31, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d… Exactly what I was gonna post, beat me to it
by kanodogg on Aug 31, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have often thought
Brett Rogers was skilled in all the things Fedor was skilled in. You know, like nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills…
by rzor on Aug 31, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Bow hunting or bow staff?
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bo staff.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 31, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s talented, but the same things he’s skilled in, I’m skilled in.
Brett Rogers is a 4 time world Sambo champion and a Russian national Judo medal winner?
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to be a dick guys but if you hit the preview button and take a few extra seconds to proofread your posts it makes the comments section look a lot better. Everyone makes mistakes but it seems like it’s getting worse lately.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 5:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
"Not to be a dick"
is invariably followed by something that will intentionally or unintentionally make you sound like a dick.
by rzor on Aug 31, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Just like...
“No offence, but…”
“I don’t want to sound rude, but…”
“I agree with what you’re saying, but…”
“I would sleep with you, but…”
I finish beers at 1:55.
by ihateemo on Aug 31, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously I know that, that’s why I said it. And like I said, we all make mistakes (that includes me) but a lot of them can be fixed, which makes the comments a lot easier to understand.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful, or Rodgers will bunch you
"You're gonna love my nuts" -Shlomi
by Skoobs on Aug 31, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it didn't in this case.
What he said wasn’t dickish at all.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Aug 31, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. It’s not. Use the Preview button.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Aug 31, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just we just gonna see who’s more hungry.
Neither of them seems particularly in need of food to me.
weoweoweo is the best… and I <3 Vera cause he is pogi.
by mythbuster on Aug 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
"I feel that I’m a different fighter for Fedor"
I think we have heard this qoute from some other of the folks Fedor has beat. Only I hope It’s true this time. WAR ROGERS
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Rodgers has KO power unlike sylvia or arlovski. On another note seeing fedor fight someone who has such a definitive size and weight advantage as rodgers will give an indication on how fedor will be able to handle someone the size of a brock lesnar. Hong man choi could have beat fedor if he just layed and prayed and didnt make any space for an armbar.
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Hunt, Sylvia, or Semmy Schilt?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well hunt almost had the kimura so that was pretty impressive, and i dont think schilt was ever the best mma fighter, he didnt really effectively use his size in an mma match well
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was an americana, and if he had any clue how to complete the move then that fight was over.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Sep 1, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Mark hunt had fedor on his back for so long is the biggest evidence for Brock being able to beat him.
I know that’s not the topic, but I had to say it.
by Captain7 on Sep 1, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never seen Rogers fight on the ground, Hong Man might actually have a better ground game.
The real point in the fight for me will be when/if Rogers is fighting from his back, I don’t think he will do very well and will get the ole kimura like Mr. Hunt and Mr. Randleman.
by DirtyML on Aug 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, Sylvia and Arlovski have never KO'd any of their opponents
I finish beers at 1:55.
by ihateemo on Aug 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...
Tim Sylvia has 16 KO’s in 24 wins
A.A. has 15 wins 11 by KO
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah but not when they fought fedor they had no KO power
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well a lot of things have to be in order to KO someone. I would just say that the occasion never arose for either fighter, because they definatley do have KO power. A.A. gameplan was obviously to box Fedor and pick him apart, and it was somewhat working til he had a brainfart. Tim never had a chance to even get a real shot off.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s just so many retarded things about this statement. After the Rogers fight I’m sure we’ll be saying “When he (Rogers) fought (Fedor) he had no KO power either” and it will make equally as little sense.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Aug 31, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wont be the case because rodgers has been going up in his career while arlovski and sylvia have lost it all and their ko power
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just passed a drug test for my new job...
Can I have some of whatever it is that you are on? Ray Mercer is a good example that people don’t “lose” their KO power.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you cant lost your KO power? so if your 90 years old ure going to have the same KO power? lol you just got owned.
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really???
From reading any one of your posts I can see that you lack the intelligence to have any kind of a “good point” I hope they let you graduate to middle school this year. =)
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol no reply except an insult.. i win
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comments are insult to yourself alone bro, I don’t need to do much. Just wait for others to chime in and do my dirty work so you can see how foolish your statement is.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his initial comment was supposed to be sarcastic… Oh well.
by Screwface on Aug 31, 2009 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of like that he chimed in on the owning on his own comment. Usually the more appropriate thing is to wait and hope that someone else chimes in with “owned”. But not pandaboy. It’s like trying to say something funny, and then clarifying just how funny it was.
by Dooda on Sep 1, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow that was one of the dumbest comments I have read in a long time.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He was saying people dont lose KO power, and i rebutted with an example of how someone can lose KO power through age or slowness of reflexes or even being out of shape and thats dumb?
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Sylvia and Arlovski are 90? And the “lol you got owned” and “I win” shit is just lame.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
its called hyperbole to make a point google it
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EPIC FAIL.
Ay ay ay…
Attributes fighters lose (rough and incomplete order): speed, reflexes, chin……………………………power. Guys keep that until they’re well past sporting expiry – see Foreman, Mercer etc.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Aug 31, 2009 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It was EPIC, the Webster’s definition of FAIL.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so ALL guys keep that power??.. your talking about world class boxers… im talking about tim sylvia here
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure he and other KO strikers will at some point lose their KO power – when every other facet has infinitely diminished, but it will be the last “attribute” to go and they’ll be lomg past anything resembling a fighter…and they will be 90.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Aug 31, 2009 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yes tim sylvia at 300 lbs fighting ray mercer then getting KOed in 8 seconds was close to reaching this point, to quote you “long past anything resembling a fighter”
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uuuuh – I’m sorry but at WHAT point in his last two fights did he demonstrate he’s lost his KO “POWER”?? You do know what that is right?
He was a totally out of shape fighter, not taking it seriously and looking for a payday – mentally there’s some question marks for Sylvia (and AA) but let’s be serious, there’s zero evidence they’ve lost their KO power.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Aug 31, 2009 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
when your arms because huge fat slabs and uve got man boobs thats more then evidence enough that uve lost ko power.. unless that is ure punching something thats stationary with all your might.. then that means everyone has KO power
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when your arms because huge fat slabs and uve got man boobs thats more then evidence enough that uve lost ko power
Someone forgot to tell Mercer this.
You can’t tell if Tim’s lost KO power since he actually hasn’t hit anyone in his past two fights. Before that he was tearing Nog’s face apart with only a jab.
by Tonley on Aug 31, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
now that is a reasonable argument i can respect
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This string is hilarious. No one here knows what they’re talking about.
by Dooda on Sep 1, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well please enlighten us, oh learned one.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Sep 1, 2009 1:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Gawd if I know. How on earth is it possible to make a claim like “fighters don’t lose their power” or the KO power goes last? Do you personally test hundreds of fighters in all of their different skill sets and come to this undeniable conclusion?
Sorry if I seem douche up there, but it looks to me like people are just spreading their buttcheeks and letting the BS fly.
by Dooda on Sep 1, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait! Let me guess…you “train”? :)
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Sep 1, 2009 1:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get this. Do you know me or something. Can you see a picture of me? I don’t claim to know anything.
by Dooda on Sep 1, 2009 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Sylvia has big time knock out power (we just haven’t seen it in a while) and he is actually larger than Brock Lesnar. It didn’t really help him out all that much though. Heck Brett Rogers and Tim Sylvia have a lot in common, which doesn’t bode well for Rogers.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean “fatter” :)
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Aug 31, 2009 7:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If Rogers comes out fast like Fedor did to Timmeh, there’s a chance he won’t get taken down immediately.
Recall, the way Rogers came out to Arlovski, basically at twice the speed and size of Andre, Rogers’s hoopty must’ve been double parked.
by JAYGK95 on Aug 31, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He also came straight ahead with his shoulders squared to his opponent aka the “please take me down” stance.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Aug 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to think though that fedor has anticipated such a plan from rodgers
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Bring me the wench."
And some ice cream.
I finish beers at 1:55.
by ihateemo on Aug 31, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they wanted to even up the odds they could make Fedor fight sitting in the chair. I still wouldn’t put money on Rogers but at least it would feel like a closer fight.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has as good a chance as anyone, really.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 31, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t even give him that. Honestly I am setting my hopes very low, if Rogers can get out of there without being Zulu’d then it will be something. Brett has a bright future ahead of him but he’s way over his head here.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can a guy with sloppy stand up who has shown nothing on the ground have as good a chance as anyone?
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Aug 31, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when there is a certain fighter named BROCKLESNAR around.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Fujita had sloppy standup and caught him. Arlovski was freaking training with Roach and Rogers caught him. You never what is going to happen if Rogers gets in a good punch on you. He has the best punchers chance and a good size advantage out of most HWs out there.
Also, I believe thats what people said before the Arlovski fight.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Aug 31, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats pretty much exactly what I said before the Arlovski fight and I had to eat my words. I still refuse to admit the Tank Abbot style can be effective in today’s MMA.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Aug 31, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe someone with better technique and footwork has the “best puncher’s chance”.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Aug 31, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion, Arlovski’s biggest problem was he become obsessed with showing his boxing skills. He stuck to a boxers stance, and when he threw the leg kick he had to drop his hands completely, opening himself up to Rogers. Plus, I think he was a little surprised how fast Rogers was.
by nottheface on Sep 1, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
itll basically boil down to a clinch flurry of punches and fedor being the more accurate striker will rock rodgers and finish him tko
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The real betting action is at what minute of the first round will rodgers go down
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fun Fact
The Odds on Rogers right now on Bodog (+475) make him the biggest underdog of any of the fights that they have a line out for (Approx 35 fights) with the next closest being a +425 for Mike Pierce against Brock Larson.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Aug 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d put 20 on him at those odds. If Brett wins, I win, If Fedor wins, I got to watch him KTFO somebody again.
by judonerd on Aug 31, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Aug 31, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
i like rodgers wish him best of luck but im looking for Fedor by destruction in the few fights they can find him in Strikeforce. If he runs over what is left outside the UFC then at the end of the year it only leaves one option other than retirement or Japan freak fights. If Brock is still the champion after fighting likes of Carwin , Nog , and Cain if Fedor doesn’t sign to fight him it will look a lot like ducking. Not saying it will be just saying it will look like it.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Aug 31, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if Nog somehow beats Brock by submission or something… that would probably be the worst outcome for ufc.. no amount of hype could reach the pitch of fedor/lesnar brings if they both remained undefeated
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like that pic. It truly is worth a thousand words.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the same thing Fedor did to him.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I just looked at it again, I was at the fucking Strikeforce fight where it happened and I still didn’t notice at first.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 6:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It was funny at the fight Tim Sylvia walked in about halfway through and a bunch of people went over to him getting autographs and taking pics and I was thinking those are probably the same people on the Internet everyday talking mad shit on him.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Everytime I hang with him it is like that. So i just laugh now when I see people talk shit. Its actually is kinda annoying to me at times. I have a “no picture taking” policy when I am with him. No, I will not take a pic of you two…
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I don’t blame you, that would get annoying.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I will under one occasion, If she is really hot. haha
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Aug 31, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s pretty hard to tell a hot girl no no matter what the question is.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 7:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
“Are you sure you don’t have AIDS?”
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Aug 31, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA wow man same here i mean i wasnt at the event so not as bad but shit funny picture!! you know its the end of Monday when you have to look twice to get this one.. priceless!
by buttters on Aug 31, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Especially for being truly serious at first :)
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
by The_Gaijin on Aug 31, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAWN
Fedor will KO him or tear his arm off in the 1st round and the underground MMA world will rejoice with chants of “Fedor …best MMA fighter on earth”.
by Riney on Aug 31, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Hello Brett, this is reality, I don’t believe you’ve met…..”
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 6:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
This fight remind me of something that a Brit Fighter Jason Barrett used to say.
“Have you ever been hit by a black guy? That shit hurts.”
by mmahh on Aug 31, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is fight really with nothing to gain. If Fedor wins, he just beat some guy hardly anyone knows. If Bret wins, he beat a guy that Strikeforce paid a ton o money for.
by mmahh on Aug 31, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats been the case in almost all has nonpride fights.. ive learned to accept it and watch the ketchup making process in action
by pandaboy99 on Aug 31, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. A win doesn’t do much for Fedor, that’s true. But if Rogers wins, he’s just upped his financial value as a fighter tenfold, to say nothing of his reputation. If he wins this fight and doesn’t lose for the rest of his Strikeforce tenure, you don’t think the UFC would come calling with a far more lucrative contract than they would have otherwise?
by JRN on Aug 31, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rogers can win he becomes a legend in this sport, the risk and the reward are huge for him it’s just the risk is quite large and the reward is so very unlikely.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Brett Roger know what an armbar is?
by NinjaCodah on Aug 31, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He will soon find out.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 7:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I just love the little smirk on Fedor’s face as they are facing off
by Chadsac on Aug 31, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How horrible will it be for Fedor to lose and StrikeForce have Brett go to the UFC.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Aug 31, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buster Douglas...
did it to Tyson. I have a feeling Rogers is going to do it to Fedor. Not that I want him to. I would love to see Fedor continue to be Fedor. If you’ve been listening to his interviews, and looking at him physically, he just doesn’t seem into it anymore.
It will have huge ramifications in the sport.
Forward Ever, Backward Never...
by Tony NJ on Aug 31, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rogers already had his Buster Douglas moment in the AA fight. I’m sure Rogers wouldn’t want Buster Douglas’s post Tyson career.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I don’t know how many people I’ve heard say “I have a feeling Rogers is gonna KO Fedor”. I get the feeling everyone is saying it just on the outside chance that they can say “LOLOLOL I told u so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111” if it actually happens, but when Fedor invariably rapes him in under 3 minutes they will be nowhere to be found.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be right here for Rogers with rape kit in hand just ask Maia.
The reason I have a feeling that Rogers will when is because I want him to win. Fedor right now is like the Yankees playing in the minors no shit they will win they are SUPPOSED to win.
by MrBlond3 on Sep 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win not when. Long day at work plus I drift in and out of conversations, text based ones included.
by MrBlond3 on Sep 1, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rape is such a dirty word. Can’t we just call it Surprise Sex.
by nottheface on Sep 1, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's "Rogers", R-O-G-E-R-S, no "D"
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How can you spell Brad with no D man ? That’s wack . It’s Brad Rodgers…
by JoelMan on Sep 1, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe someone already pointed it out but the biggest factor and the key to the upset in my opinion is the fact that if Brett rushes Fedor he has an excellent chance. “Blah blah Fedor is the greatest he always wins that guy used to change tires Fedor has beaten everyone blah” Lets not forget this fight will be in a CAGE.
by MrBlond3 on Aug 31, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And that changes things how? It’s not like Fedor is facing a wily veteran with lots of experience using the cage to his advantage he’s facing a guy who has only had ten fights and less than 16 minutes in total fight time.
by who me on Aug 31, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not fighting Randy Couture, Rogers isn’t going to get him in the clinch and push him up against the cage.
Walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by ufc4 on Aug 31, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah because he's so much smaller than Fedor no way that could happen.
Sure Fedor has been rushed before but I can assure you it’s different when your backs up against the cage and the guy that is charging does not have to fear flying between the ropes of a ring if he misses. I know Brett Rogers is not as much of a veteran than Fedor but in terms of experience in the cage yeah he has just a little tiny tiny tiny bit more experience. It goes further than just having your back up against the cage it also comes into play with the angles, circling, and cutting the distance vs a huge rectangle with ropes. Regardless I just really hope it is a good fight.
by MrBlond3 on Sep 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any minor experience advantage in a cage is going to pale compared to the fact that Rogers has never headlined a show where as Fedor has been at this level fighting big fights for years and years. Fedor also has experience fighting larger strikers, heck he seems to do his best against those types.
by who me on Sep 1, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor has the pressure on him not Rogers. Don’t get confused, if Fedor loses so does Strikeforce, M1, and a myriad of Russian businessmen this is the last big payday for Vadim and the boys and they will milk that tit like a starving calf. In order to do that Fedor has to win, and win and win some more I am positive they let Fedor know that. Youre right the guy that was changing tires less than a year ago yeah he’s going to crack under the pressure.
by MrBlond3 on Sep 1, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly , if Fedor loses they will probably immediately set up a rematch and that would be huge . A Fedor loss can work out ok , but let’s cross that bridge IF we get there …
by JoelMan on Sep 1, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Fedor loses then the internet will explode, it will be the Fedorpacolypse on MMA sites, people will weep and pull out their hair and chaos will reign. Of course for Fedor it would just be one loss in an amazing career and he will still be Fedor and will just go about being the best fighter in the world after that. Heck a loss may bring back his interest in the sport and cause him to double his efforts after that like what happened when he lost in Sambo. Fedor being shown to be human will have a drastically different affect on Fedor and internet MMA fans, Fedor already knows he’s human. Now for Strikeforce the bad will be outweighed with them gaining a new (and much cheaper) superstar. For M-1 it would be terrible but honestly they seem to have it coming and it’s nothing they couldn’t recover from, heck it could lead to even more attention for future Fedor fights.
by who me on Sep 1, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree mostly , M-1 will probably survive and also Fedor as a fighter – tho he might lose his #1 ranking to Lesnar case Lesnar keeps winning.
Most of his “real” fans shouldn’t really care that he lost … at least not to the point that they lose interest in him.
I think it would be a good thing if he lost a little , could lead to many interesting things (and I’m a big Fedor fan). Losing is a part of life , everyone should taste it sometimes imho.
by JoelMan on Sep 1, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s just saying whatever to build his fight. Who cares.
by Gogoplata.com on Sep 1, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently 150 people up to now care.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Sep 1, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s OK to care, but getting upset about him talking about how he’s going to win (or thinks he’s going to win) is stupid.
What is he supposed to say, “Fedor is better than me at every aspect of the game, I need to get lucky to win.” That would be stupid and not encourage anyone to watch the fight.
Rogers has to say that he thinks he’s going to win the fight. If he does win, there’s like a 99% chance that it will happen because of his power, so that’s all he really has to talk about to hype this fight.
It’s ok to talk about, it’s not ok to get all worked up about and act like Rogers is an idiot or doesn’t know what he’s talking about. You can’t win a fight if you think you’re going to lose, so he has to think this way.
by Phildo on Sep 1, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogers is ranked 7th in the world !!
I don’t understand why everyone is treating Rogers like some can , he’s 7th in the world . His record is very similar to Carwin’s , both have about 10 straight KO’s and one win on quality opponent .
He’s a big dude with serious punches and he’s coming to fight . I think it’s a very decent fight and very interesting . If Rogers can keep it standing that is…
And anyways Fedor deserves one “tune up” fight in a cage to adapt but I wouldn’t call this a warm up fight .
by JoelMan on Sep 1, 2009 5:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shane Carwin is fighting a guy with even fewer fights who also shares the same strengths and weaknesses. Brett Rogers is fighting the greatest heavyweight MMA figher who has ever lived, a guy who has been number one since 2003. Fedor is also a guy who eats one dimensional strikers for breakfast, particularly bigger and slower ones, Brett Rogers is being served up on a platter here.
Yes it is equally disturbing that Carwin is ranked 7 in the world when Rogers is ranked 9 but then the heavyweight division is a thin division all around. That ranking doesn’t mean either of them should be fighting Fedor.
by who me on Sep 1, 2009 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the greatest heavyweight MMA figher who has ever lived
wait… I thought Fedor relinquished that title when he decided not to sign with the UFC.
Dont get down on Forrest, no one has moves like Anderson Silva.
by ryanwk628 on Sep 1, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who “should” be fighting Fedor ? I’m just looking at the glass half full – Fedor isn’t going to fight Lesnar anytime soon and that’s just the way it is . So I can totally understand why StrikeForce would choose Brett for Fedor’s debut and not Werdum – they want to make a grand and marketable debut and Werdum can’t deliver. And bottom line Rogers is a top 10 opponent , so under these circumstances I don’t think anything better can be done.
And calling Brett one dimensional isn’t totally fair , he’s probably not a submission specialist but how can we assume he’s one dimensional if he keeps beating his opponents in the 1st round? I think with his strength he can and maybe is a decent wrestler.
by JoelMan on Sep 1, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This quote screams multi dimensional
It’s cool because, the way I see it, it’s actually going to be a better fight than the one with Overeem would have been. With Overeem, we might have ended up on the ground and did all that up-and-down stuff. With Arlovski, he likes to stand and bang and I like to do that too.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Sep 1, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It screams “guy who knows his strengths” to me. C’mon, lots of MMA fighters talk about wanting to keep it on the feet so they can “bang.” Doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t fight on the ground. (Full disclosure: I personally suspect that Brett Rogers isn’t very good on the ground, but I have no proof of this.)
by JRN on Sep 1, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No fighter goes out there looking to lose...
so of course Rogers is going to talk himself up. This fight is going to be over in the first round. If Rogers can wrestle well enough to keep the fight standing, he’s going to eventually get a chance to land a punch. If he winds up on his back, not only will he not get Fedor off of him, but he will probably wind up tapping to an armbar.
by Cmad77 on Sep 1, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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